I think birth plans are awesome, I have had my entire plan written out since we first started ttc.
I don't agree with csections being considered births or deliveries, to me it's an insult to mothers that actually did birth their children. Csections are surgical extractions and should be referred to as such.
I'm dreading telling work I'm pregnant because I don't want people asking how I'm feeling everyday.
And what if said c-section mama had no choice but to have this "surgical extraction" because her child's life was in danger? I take HUGE offense to this bolded part.
Welcomed our baby boy Henry on March 15, 2013 (7 weeks early!)
I don't agree with csections being considered births or deliveries, to me it's an insult to mothers that actually did birth their children. Csections are surgical extractions and should be referred to as such.
1. You've obviously never been in the position of losing your baby if you didn't have her "surgically extracted".
2. Go f*** yourself.
3. I've talked to plenty of moms who had their babies vaginally, and they've said there's no way they could have had a csection cause the recovery is horrible! So stfu. And anything in which your baby is born into the world is considered a birthing experience or delivery.
Ha! I guess I should have read through all the posts. Thank you @jaclynnn for posting this. You read my mind
Welcomed our baby boy Henry on March 15, 2013 (7 weeks early!)
redrosepinkdaisy: While I believe all your word vomit BS is nothing but MUD, in the very minimal off chance it is not, I have the following to say to you:
You, my dear sweetheart, are a complete ignorant, crazy moron. It's one thing to have your own religious beliefs, but leave it at that. Don't come on to a public forum preaching with your holier than thou crap, that those who have had or will have a c-section did not BIRTH their babies and are basically weak people. To that I am speechless that someone as "religious" as you claim to be would do such a thing.
I also will not stoop to your level and tell you I wish you have a c-section, or wish PPD on you, because I would not wish EITHER of those on ANYONE. I'm not that cruel of a person, sure I may be a bitch, but I'm not cruel.
I had to have an emergency c-section, which I do not need to explain to you why, because it wouldn't matter, I'm apparently not a mother. I wouldn't be surprised if you asked women who have had c-sections, that most of them said it was absolutely not the way they wanted the birth of their child to go. While I am incredibly thankful for the doctors taking the action they did at the time to save my child, but also myself so my child has his mother, it absolutely DESTROYED me that I did not have the birth I wanted. Never mind having the whole labor process going the way it did. What I went through I also would never wish on anyone, PTSD caused by the labor/birth of your child is almost, if not, just as horrible to suffer as PPD.
I also had severe PPD and was in fact hospitalized for it. I went willingly to BENEFIT my child. I know that one day he will thank me for being STRONG enough to seek the help I clearly needed to get better. I hope that it will also show him that there is no shame in seeking the help of others when you need it.
What I WILL do, is pray ever so hard that some day, who ever your "highest power" is, teaches you compassion and humility toward other human beings. I will pray ever so hard for you that some day realize the true ignorance in your words. I do not feel sorry for you, I pity you.
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As a woman who gave birth vaginally and with no drugs I can tell you that they dont give you an award when you go med free. There is no ticker tape parade outside your house for having a baby the old fashioned way.
I can also tell you this....you want to free your mind and prepare yourself for birth? Stop judging other women and how they choose or don't choose to give birth. A baby coming out of their mother and breathing their first breath is the most pure and beautiful thing no matter if that happens with or without medical assistance. I hope that when you hold your poor unfortunate future cult member for the first time you see him/her not as a means of attaining some kind of creepy perfection of your soul through labour but as the gorgeous little miracle that they are. When I look at my sweet 4 month old DD I can tell you that I would never have left her birth up to chance. I would have told the doctor to dig her out with rabid badgers if that was the only way. I truly hope that you start to feel an iota of this kind of love for your child and make the right choice should a medical intervention be necessary. Good luck to you and your child.
1. I hate all of the abbreviations that are used. I think they are confusing and definitely prefer to write out a word. I have to google abbreviations just to know what people are talking about.
2. I think that all of the negativity on this forum is disgusting. The whole point of unpopular opinions is that they are just that, unpopular and opinions. I think that lack of kindness and respect for other peoples opinions (whether a person agrees with them or not) is just disappointing. I joined to be uplifted and supported by other women in similar situations to myself.
I have two unpopular opinions.
1. I hate all of the abbreviations that are used. I think they are confusing and definitely prefer to write out a word. I have to google abbreviations just to know what people are talking about.
2. I think that all of the negativity on this forum is disgusting. The whole point of unpopular opinions is that they are just that, unpopular and opinions. I think that lack of kindness and respect for other peoples opinions (whether a person agrees with them or not) is just disappointing. I joined to be uplifted and supported by other women in similar situations to myself.
You're right! All opinions deserve to be validated! If your opinion happens to be racist, or demeaning, or offensive, they still deserve kindness and respect! We're all pregnant we should just support each other, no matter how hateful anyone's unpopular opinion is!
I have two unpopular opinions. 1. I hate all of the abbreviations that are used. I think they are confusing and definitely prefer to write out a word. I have to google abbreviations just to know what people are talking about. 2. I think that all of the negativity on this forum is disgusting. The whole point of unpopular opinions is that they are just that, unpopular and opinions. I think that lack of kindness and respect for other peoples opinions (whether a person agrees with them or not) is just disappointing. I joined to be uplifted and supported by other women in similar situations to myself.
Welcome to any internet webforum, deal with it or GTFO.
Seriously? Is everyone having hormone rage?
yeah i'm kinda with you there. people coming here from other boards just to call this person a cunt or wish horrible medical complications on her seems excessive. she said something really ridiculous and awful. she's obviously been completely brainwashed by somebody. i just hope her child survives long enough to read a book or two and realize it's parents are nuts. this thread probably doesn't need to carry on another 20 pages.
there's also a whole lot of bullying here towards people who aren't @redrose, all seems kinda juvenile to me.
... and here we are full circle with the high horses now bringing in the white knights.
I don't go here, but having recently produced a second-gen non-born (darn hips just don't open up after 36 hours of active labor in my family), I just wanted to say May 2013 was here... AGAIN!
I love that you guys get so worked up over someone who will never change their mind or over a MUD post.
Some of you bishes are going to get carpal tunnel with the shit you spew when flaming a BSC poster.
This never happens on TTGP.
Ever.
Unable to even.
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You don't understand the appeal of Benedict Cumberbatch / think he's fug / don't know who he is? WATCH SHERLOCK. Until you do, your negative opinion of him will not be taken seriously.
I'm just mad that i can't stop reading this fuckery! i need to go get prepared for this tropical storm thats coming. but i'm going now before they run out of water and batteries and i shall return!!!
I have two unpopular opinions.
1. I hate all of the abbreviations that are used. I think they are confusing and definitely prefer to write out a word. I have to google abbreviations just to know what people are talking about.
2. I think that all of the negativity on this forum is disgusting. The whole point of unpopular opinions is that they are just that, unpopular and opinions. I think that lack of kindness and respect for other peoples opinions (whether a person agrees with them or not) is just disappointing. I joined to be uplifted and supported by other women in similar situations to myself.
LOL, ok.
I take issue with people who think CPS is their personal moral police...I've worked with CPS, and every moron who calls them over an issue like a mom who quit smoking in their first trimester takes away from the help they could offer to families and children who are truly experiencing abuse. CPS is incredibly overworked and underfunded. People who stand on their high horses and threaten to call them because they don't like the way another child is being parented deserve throat punches.
I am hopeful this is MUD. In the event it is not, here is what I have to say. Being a mom isn't about how your baby comes into this world... perhaps the mother delivers the baby vaginally or csection (which BTW is a delivery), maybe they use a surrogate due to medical issues, and maybe (BRACE YOURSELF) the baby is delivered by someone else and adopted. Being a mom is holding that child for the first time and knowing you would do ANYTHING in this world to protect him/her. A mom would lay her life down for her child if it meant that child's safety. That is what being a mother is.
You say that it is your Higher Power's will and take offense when people call it a cult. Let me give you m-w's definition of a cult and we will see if it fits your explanation:a small religious group (check) that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion(check) and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous (hmm.. willing to murder your baby - CHECK).
I really hope that you are not faced with a life and death decision for your baby's sake. My "surgically extracted" son was taken from me because he was physically too large for my anatomy. Should I have had bones broken and his life endangered so that I could push him out? NO. Did I deliver him... Did I give birth - YES. I will be praying that your baby is born strong and healthy because he obviously will not be able to count on you.
I also pray that if this is not MUD, you will never conceive another child... for the child's sake. I am hopeful this is MUD and you are sitting back laughing at all of this, not pregnant at all. IT makes you a db and psychotic to even think it up, but at least a child's life isn't in danger.
TTC #2: March - May 2014 - Natural cycles - no luck June 2014 - Clomid 50mg - BFN July 2014 - Clomid 50mg - BFN August 2014 - Clomid 50mg - BFN September 2014 - Clomid 50mg - Fingers crossed...
Religious freedom, don't push your beliefs on other people.
Yet you are pushing your religious beliefs on your own future child by refusing a c/s or any medical intervention, not vaccinating, and who knows what else. And your baby isn't old enough to even have a say. Fabulous.
Lurking from Jan 14 ... you ladies are making history!!!
My first thought for redrosepinkdaisy was Scientology ... but after doing some googling, even they believe that should a C-section be necessary, it should be done, as goes with the paid medications. They are more about a Silent Birth.
I am curious as to what this cray cray's higher power is!!
Religious freedom, don't push your beliefs on other people.
Yet you are pushing your religious beliefs on your own future child by refusing a c/s or any medical intervention, not vaccinating, and who knows what else. And your baby isn't old enough to even have a say. Fabulous. So Christians that raise their children in that faith are forcing that on their child as well? Give me a freakin break. As parents we make decisions for our children until they are capable of making their own choices.
For the record I am not in a cult! I'm actually not a part of any largely organized religion. We are just part of a small circle of likeminded individuals whom support and seek support from one another. We share the same beliefs and ideals and consider each other our spiritual family circle. We believe in a Higher Power as a force which guides us. Our lives are predetermined and we no not intend to intervene. Also computers are allowed being that they have nothing directly to do with my body and keeping it as pure and close to its original state as possible.
@redrosepinkdaisy
You've answered other's questions. When will you answer mine? I'm dying to know who this "we" is you keep referring to. Is it your husband, your sister wives, the cult circle, Tim?
Andplusalso, I agree with pp. You definitely have the insanes.
HAHAHA I love how Tim got thrown into this thread!! That just made my day!
I think birth plans are awesome, I have had my entire plan written out since we first started ttc.
I don't agree with csections being considered births or deliveries, to me it's an insult to mothers that actually did birth their children. Csections are surgical extractions and should be referred to as such.
I'm dreading telling work I'm pregnant because I don't want people asking how I'm feeling everyday.
FFS you suck.
My opinion and I'm entitled to it, that is what this post is intended for, right?
I try not to get involved with these posts, but I couldn't not respond to this. I am so offended by your "opinion". With my son I labored for 24 very long hours, pushed for over 4 hours, and ended up with an EMERGENCY c-section. Does this mean that I am less of a mom because I didn't "birth" my child? I'm sorry that my unborn child's life was more important that having a "real birth". You are a moron.
Now this is the story all about how My life got flipped, turned upside down And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-air In west Philadelphia born and raised On the playground where I spent most of my days Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school When a couple of guys, they were up to no good Started making trouble in my neighbourhood I got in one little fight and my mom got scared And said "You're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-air" I whistled for a cab and when it came near the License plate said "fresh" and had a dice in the mirror If anything I could say that this cab was rare But I thought nah, forget it, yo homes to Bel-air! I pulled up to a house about seven or eight And I yelled to the cabby "Yo, homes smell you later!" Looked at my kingdom I was finally there To sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-air
Sorry not everyone believes in modern medicine being the healer of all. We live as naturally as possible when it comes to medicine and we intend to follow our same path with this pregnancy. Apoligies to those who were offended, the choices I make may not be for everyone but they are mine to make and I own that.
Based on this comment I have a question for you...Say your child becomes ill some day. Can we assume that you will not take your child to the dr? I guess I'm curious to know where you draw the line. Are you against all medical interventions/medications/etc.? More specifically, say your infant ends up with RSV (God forbid), would you be unwilling to use nebulizer treatments to save your infant's life? I just can't fathom not using modern medicine to save my child's life...
Redrosepinkdaisy- the difference is, a child raised in a Christian home has a choice, later on when he's older, to make other decisions regarding his faith. The choices you are making right now may prevent your child from being born, let alone make choices for himself.
@redrosepinkdaisy- so now you are saying that Christians, who give their children a choice not only to live but to decided if they want to stay Christian, are like your cult....I have been nice to you before...Now it's one Bitch. Fuck off, and go back to your damn cult.
I think birth plans are awesome, I have had my entire plan written out since we first started ttc.
I don't agree with csections being considered births or deliveries, to me it's an insult to mothers that actually did birth their children. Csections are surgical extractions and should be referred to as such.
I'm dreading telling work I'm pregnant because I don't want people asking how I'm feeling everyday.
I wanted to be done with this but I see you sll won't let it go. For everyone saying I will be begging for drugs that will not happen.I will not give birth in an environment where drugs are available. For me that type environment would not be conducive to freeing my mind for birth.
I don't agree with csections being considered births or deliveries, to me it's an insult to mothers that actually did birth their children. Csections are surgical extractions and should be referred to as such.
1. You've obviously never been in the position of losing your baby if you didn't have her "surgically extracted".
2. Go f*** yourself.
3. I've talked to plenty of moms who had their babies vaginally, and they've said there's no way they could have had a csection cause the recovery is horrible! So stfu. And anything in which your baby is born into the world is considered a birthing experience or delivery.
I concur!
Trust me OP, you are a moron. Had I not had a c section DS would have died. I hope that in the middle of labor with your child you don't hear the doctor say that your child's heart has stopped beating. That was the single most scary moment of my life. Thank god for "extractions" otherwise mine and millions of other children would die. And trust me, I gave birth to my child and have the scars to prove it.
Re: UO
You, my dear sweetheart, are a complete ignorant, crazy moron. It's one thing to have your own religious beliefs, but leave it at that. Don't come on to a public forum preaching with your holier than thou crap, that those who have had or will have a c-section did not BIRTH their babies and are basically weak people. To that I am speechless that someone as "religious" as you claim to be would do such a thing.
I also will not stoop to your level and tell you I wish you have a c-section, or wish PPD on you, because I would not wish EITHER of those on ANYONE. I'm not that cruel of a person, sure I may be a bitch, but I'm not cruel.
I had to have an emergency c-section, which I do not need to explain to you why, because it wouldn't matter, I'm apparently not a mother. I wouldn't be surprised if you asked women who have had c-sections, that most of them said it was absolutely not the way they wanted the birth of their child to go. While I am incredibly thankful for the doctors taking the action they did at the time to save my child, but also myself so my child has his mother, it absolutely DESTROYED me that I did not have the birth I wanted. Never mind having the whole labor process going the way it did. What I went through I also would never wish on anyone, PTSD caused by the labor/birth of your child is almost, if not, just as horrible to suffer as PPD.
I also had severe PPD and was in fact hospitalized for it. I went willingly to BENEFIT my child. I know that one day he will thank me for being STRONG enough to seek the help I clearly needed to get better. I hope that it will also show him that there is no shame in seeking the help of others when you need it.
What I WILL do, is pray ever so hard that some day, who ever your "highest power" is, teaches you compassion and humility toward other human beings. I will pray ever so hard for you that some day realize the true ignorance in your words.
I do not feel sorry for you, I pity you.
@redrosepinkdaisy
As a woman who gave birth vaginally and with no drugs I can tell you that they dont give you an award when you go med free. There is no ticker tape parade outside your house for having a baby the old fashioned way.
I can also tell you this....you want to free your mind and prepare yourself for birth? Stop judging other women and how they choose or don't choose to give birth. A baby coming out of their mother and breathing their first breath is the most pure and beautiful thing no matter if that happens with or without medical assistance. I hope that when you hold your poor unfortunate future cult member for the first time you see him/her not as a means of attaining some kind of creepy perfection of your soul through labour but as the gorgeous little miracle that they are. When I look at my sweet 4 month old DD I can tell you that I would never have left her birth up to chance. I would have told the doctor to dig her out with rabid badgers if that was the only way. I truly hope that you start to feel an iota of this kind of love for your child and make the right choice should a medical intervention be necessary. Good luck to you and your child.
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1. I hate all of the abbreviations that are used. I think they are confusing and definitely prefer to write out a word. I have to google abbreviations just to know what people are talking about.
2. I think that all of the negativity on this forum is disgusting. The whole point of unpopular opinions is that they are just that, unpopular and opinions. I think that lack of kindness and respect for other peoples opinions (whether a person agrees with them or not) is just disappointing. I joined to be uplifted and supported by other women in similar situations to myself.
yeah i'm kinda with you there. people coming here from other boards just to call this person a cunt or wish horrible medical complications on her seems excessive. she said something really ridiculous and awful. she's obviously been completely brainwashed by somebody. i just hope her child survives long enough to read a book or two and realize it's parents are nuts. this thread probably doesn't need to carry on another 20 pages.
there's also a whole lot of bullying here towards people who aren't @redrose, all seems kinda juvenile to me.
I don't go here, but having recently produced a second-gen non-born (darn hips just don't open up after 36 hours of active labor in my family), I just wanted to say May 2013 was here... AGAIN!
Unable to even.
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You don't understand the appeal of Benedict Cumberbatch / think he's fug / don't know who he is? WATCH SHERLOCK. Until you do, your negative opinion of him will not be taken seriously.
Way to be a downer...
I take issue with people who think CPS is their personal moral police...I've worked with CPS, and every moron who calls them over an issue like a mom who quit smoking in their first trimester takes away from the help they could offer to families and children who are truly experiencing abuse. CPS is incredibly overworked and underfunded. People who stand on their high horses and threaten to call them because they don't like the way another child is being parented deserve throat punches.
@redrosepinkdaisy My God helps those who helps themselves. I'm sorry your Higher Power sucks so much.
::back to reading::
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Another May 2013 Mom
@RedrosePinkDaisy
I am hopeful this is MUD. In the event it is not, here is what I have to say. Being a mom isn't about how your baby comes into this world... perhaps the mother delivers the baby vaginally or csection (which BTW is a delivery), maybe they use a surrogate due to medical issues, and maybe (BRACE YOURSELF) the baby is delivered by someone else and adopted. Being a mom is holding that child for the first time and knowing you would do ANYTHING in this world to protect him/her. A mom would lay her life down for her child if it meant that child's safety. That is what being a mother is.
You say that it is your Higher Power's will and take offense when people call it a cult. Let me give you m-w's definition of a cult and we will see if it fits your explanation:a small religious group (check) that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion (check) and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous (hmm.. willing to murder your baby - CHECK).
I really hope that you are not faced with a life and death decision for your baby's sake. My "surgically extracted" son was taken from me because he was physically too large for my anatomy. Should I have had bones broken and his life endangered so that I could push him out? NO. Did I deliver him... Did I give birth - YES. I will be praying that your baby is born strong and healthy because he obviously will not be able to count on you.
I also pray that if this is not MUD, you will never conceive another child... for the child's sake. I am hopeful this is MUD and you are sitting back laughing at all of this, not pregnant at all. IT makes you a db and psychotic to even think it up, but at least a child's life isn't in danger.
TTC #2:
March - May 2014 - Natural cycles - no luck
June 2014 - Clomid 50mg - BFN
July 2014 - Clomid 50mg - BFN
August 2014 - Clomid 50mg - BFN
September 2014 - Clomid 50mg - Fingers crossed...
With that.. Please, let's talk about cake!
BFP #1 - DS 2007
BFP #2 - 8/25/13 - mmc 10/10/13
BFP #3 - 1/14/14 - EDD 9/30/14
Lurking from Jan 14 ... you ladies are making history!!!
My first thought for redrosepinkdaisy was Scientology ... but after doing some googling, even they believe that should a C-section be necessary, it should be done, as goes with the paid medications. They are more about a Silent Birth.
I am curious as to what this cray cray's higher power is!!
So Christians that raise their children in that faith are forcing that on their child as well? Give me a freakin break. As parents we make decisions for our children until they are capable of making their own choices.
HAHAHA I love how Tim got thrown into this thread!! That just made my day!
J14 here! Have a little song just because I think it is hilarious and fits this comment perfectly.
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel-air
In west Philadelphia born and raised
On the playground where I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys, they were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighbourhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
And said "You're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-air"
I whistled for a cab and when it came near
the License plate said "fresh" and had a dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought nah, forget it, yo homes to Bel-air!
I pulled up to a house about seven or eight
And I yelled to the cabby "Yo, homes smell you later!"
Looked at my kingdom
I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-air
You're a waste of space.
And I just read 22 PAGES of hot mess. I want a cookie damnit!
Not when there's a 14/15 year age difference between your kids they're not!
Trust me OP, you are a moron. Had I not had a c section DS would have died. I hope that in the middle of labor with your child you don't hear the doctor say that your child's heart has stopped beating. That was the single most scary moment of my life. Thank god for "extractions" otherwise mine and millions of other children would die. And trust me, I gave birth to my child and have the scars to prove it.
Idiot.