UO...

frankierokx

@jenniferbromley a lot of people have gone to jail refusing to pay for it.

Do you guys have Road Tax for cars too?

frankierokx

KateMW said:

So does the TV license pay for BBC, etc? What do they do with the money?

Your right it goes towards the BBC so they don't have to have adverts/commercials on their TV and radio channels.

frankierokx

SweetSouthernMomma08 said:

frankierokx said:

You have to have a Licence for streaming too, we have to input our TV licence number into Netflix for it to work. It you have something that shows a live or recorded show, DVD player or VHS player you still need a licence. Only students on a university campus or OAPs don't have to pay.

What if you don't have it hooked up to anything that is live?  Like, if you only had a DVD player attached to the tv?  No netflix, no cable, no live anything...

Still need a licence! 

"You need to be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast. This includes the use of devices such as a computer, laptop, mobile phone or DVD/video recorder.

It costs £145.50 for colour and £49.00 for a black and white TV Licence."

From their website.

nofcksgiven

My UO is that I absolutely don't care about breast feeding. I don't care if you breast feed, pump, or (GASP!) formula feed. As long as you're taking care of your baby and giving them what they need, you're doing fine in my book. I plan on trying. But, I also plan on pumping. I hate the idea of being solely responsible for my child's feedings. I have a husband who helped create this little guy. He should share in the responsibility of a middle of the night feeding- and he should also be allowed to have that time to bond with his son.

notkateanymore

superspecialsnowflake said:

My UO is that I hate the phrase, "I guess we'll have to agree to disagree." I hate it because most of the time when people say it, they mean, "I see you're an idiot who can't see reason, and I have better things to do than argue with you."

That's basically exactly what I mean.

frankierokx

SweetSouthernMomma08 said:

frankierokx said:

SweetSouthernMomma08 said:

frankierokx said:

You have to have a Licence for streaming too, we have to input our TV licence number into Netflix for it to work. It you have something that shows a live or recorded show, DVD player or VHS player you still need a licence. Only students on a university campus or OAPs don't have to pay.

What if you don't have it hooked up to anything that is live?  Like, if you only had a DVD player attached to the tv?  No netflix, no cable, no live anything...

Still need a licence! 

"You need to be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast. This includes the use of devices such as a computer, laptop, mobile phone or DVD/video recorder.

It costs £145.50 for colour and £49.00 for a black and white TV Licence."

From their website.

Hmmm...I think I would still luck out of paying, (if we didn't use netflix on our computer/phones...)  We just have the tv to watch DVD/VHS we own.  It isn't hooked up to anything.  No news, cable, nothing.  But, since we have netflix, we would have to have a license.  Gee...that sucks. 

They would come and take the aerial out of your home too as all the TV's over here have Freeview built in. Freeview is a way to watch about 50 channels without paying a monthly subscription, you pay a one off fee, usually included in the price of the TV or you can get a Set Top Box. 

natleilynn

amberpro said:

I'm going to express my opinions on the religion topic... I've stated I'm a Christian, but usually stay out of it all. 1. I feel organized religion (i.e. the church) has an important end. I think it's vital in a person's growth in Christ (not to mention the church attendee's part in other's growth). 2. I feel there are many churches and Christians that can't see the forest for the trees, per se. The point is a personal relationship with Christ. I feel all the rules and judgement some people throw around is way off God's purpose and do nothing but turn people off and push them away. 3. In response to @MamaHanna, I also think it's an incorrect notion that Christians aren't "supposed" to support gay marriage or be pro-choice. What Christians aren't supposed to do is judge. And that is a struggle of the flesh I feel most people fight... No matter what they're judging. I also don't agree with God and Christianity being about comfort. Many parts of a relationship with Christ are very uncomfortable. And losing a loved one isn't comfortable even with Christ. I have no idea if I'll see them again. Heaven is an incomprehensible thing. I pray for peace and strength to move on. I don't mean to start anything, just giving my personal "unpopular opinion" on the matter .

I agree with you. I'm a Christian, but I do my best to not judge. I know I'm not perfect. I support my gay friends and I wouldn't be part of a church that condemned them. I feel like my role as a Christian is to love and to show people that my God is a loving God. It's not my place to judge people, regardless of my personal feelings on a subject. In the end, I believe that I'm not the one who has the final say in it all. 

I think that churches have an important role in society - a lot of churches DO a lot of good for their communities. Especially in smaller areas, churches are virtually the only way that people can find food banks and financial assistance. My less-than-100-person church back home had a portion of the budget specifically for people in the community who would come to them and say they couldn't pay their electric/rent/water/etc bill that month. A few of the churches would rotate community meals so people who didn't have the money for food would have a hot meal most days of the week. 

I think there's a place for church and religion, as long as the people behind them remember the purpose. It's not to judge, it's to love and help people. Too many people within the churches (and I see it happen constantly) get power trips and forget that they should be doing things because that's what we believe is right - not to get awards and recognition.

This coming from a girl whose pastor got on such a power trip that he refused to baptize me at all in high school because I couldn't be there on the day that he wanted to baptize me.

lollipoppoop

Sunshine5788 said:

Maybe this is just me but I don't believe in completely baby proofing your home. Put covers on the outlets? Sure, of course. But going around the whole house and locking all the toilet lids down and covering every sharp corner? Yeah I'm not doing all that.

@sunshine5788 You watched Teen Mom 3 didn't you?

amberpro

jamrosj said:

amberpro said:

Cashingn2 said:

@amberpro, my main problem with organized religion is that most people I've encountered in a church setting seem to forget about the portion of the Bible that expressly states "thou shalt not judge." I don't know why but it bothers me more in that environment than in any other. I'm perfectly okay with others disagreeing with me on the topic though.

I understand that, and it bothers me, too. I can't say "most" but I can say many. But I also think any time you get a group of people together for any reason, there will be discrepancies in beliefs and opinions. It's up to us to make out own choices. I think we grow through discussion and disagreement in all aspects of life.

That verse is taken out of context. It talks about not judging unless you judge yourself first. In other words, don't be a hypocrite. We are absolutely supposed to tell other Christians when they're sinning as long as we do it in a loving way. That being said we are not to judge the rest of the world by the same standards as those who say they are Christians. I realize this is very unpopular to talk about but it is not about my opinion it is what the bible says.

I think anyone is walking a fine line if they're telling others what their sins are. I agree with open discussions and frankness on such topics, but the key word is discussion. There are too many things I don't know or understand for me to be in a place where I point out anyone else's sins. I have enough if my own to deal with.

lollipoppoop

Sunshine5788 said:

@citrusXoXo Nope I refuse to watch those shows. I'm hoping one day they'll just fall off the air and quit promoting young teen pregnancies. 

@sweetsouthermomma08 My H hates to see cords, so those are pretty much all tucked away already. I just received an e-mail today about baby proofing items and it really made me go seriously? And then I immediately thought of this....

I just asked because on this weeks episode one of the moms paid almost 400 dollars for a professional to come in an baby proof the house. 

Lawren

Not really an UO but, I'm a Christian and our church had someone steal a bunch of stuff a few years ago. We had a local company donate billboards to our church after that, we just had to design the graphics and some of them said, "Dear Church Theif, Stealing from God-Ballsy." Needless to say, I love our church

My UO for the week: College Football is better than the NFL.

notkateanymore

@lawren you think that bc most of our players could go straight to the NFL. SEC for lyfe.

Lawren

KateMW said:

@lawren you think that bc most of our players could go straight to the NFL. SEC for lyfe.

You know dats right!

2010weddinggal

I think if homeless people set up in a spot that does not bug anyone they should be allowed to stay. I really dislike when officials go through places and kick homeless people out, they do not even help them most are vets with PTSD, drug and alcohol problems. It is all we do not care where you go but you can not be here. I wish I could win the lottery cause I would build huge dormitory style homes for the homeless. I know a few around my neighborhood that are weet, and good just down on their luck so I make it a point to spare change or give food. I feel guilty sometimes having a home, and food and people to love me..... Ugh

nicholssquared

So, as you all know I am a very religious person, and I just wanted to say that I feel like people may be making generalizations here. I am a very well-formed Catholic. I practice and I know my faith very well. And I feel as if the statements about how "organized religion is judgey, etc." is stereotyping my faith with something that the Church doesn't actually teach.

The Catholic Church does not believe in predestination, precondemnation or any such thing that would lead people to believe they are certainly going to heaven or to hell. The Church teaches that God alone knows the sins of the individual, and therefore we can't assume anything about them, their lifestyle, or condemn them in any way. We are called to love everyone and treat them with respect, regardless of their views or choices, because we are all created in the image and likeness of God. A popular Catholic saying is to love the sinner and hate the sin. I mean, we're all sinners, so condemning someone else for their problems is really hypocritical.

I can understand if some people got this condemning view of organized religion based on some anecdotal evidence, people they know, etc, but I just wanted to clarify that it's not the Church's doctrine to go around pointing out to everyone that they're going to hell or that they're a sinful person. I guess I can't speak for other organized religion, but if you meet a Catholic doing that THEY'RE WRONG.

That is all.

KELLILOVESJOSH

I haven't purchased the first new thing for my LO. Her sister is 21 months and they will be able to wear all the same clothes, the highchair, car seat and stroller will all work just fine. I'm going to buy bottles because DD has worn them out. My cousin just had her baby yesterday and has already said she'll be sending me onsies and sleepers. I feel kinda bad but it just seems silly especially when DD has stuff hanging in her closet that she never wore.

TXmamatobe

I’m really late to this party but I don’t like when people dress all of their kids in matching clothes.  I can see the same color schemes, some sort of theme for a picture but for normal, everyday clothing, I can’t stand matchy matchy.  A boring UO but I had to get it out. 

 I also can’t stand when people put bows on their daughters that are bigger than their heads…

onewayticket

nicholssquared said:

So, as you all know I am a very religious person, and I just wanted to say that I feel like people may be making generalizations here. I am a very well-formed Catholic. I practice and I know my faith very well. And I feel as if the statements about how "organized religion is judgey, etc." is stereotyping my faith with something that the Church doesn't actually teach.

The Catholic Church does not believe in predestination, precondemnation or any such thing that would lead people to believe they are certainly going to heaven or to hell. The Church teaches that God alone knows the sins of the individual, and therefore we can't assume anything about them, their lifestyle, or condemn them in any way. We are called to love everyone and treat them with respect, regardless of their views or choices, because we are all created in the image and likeness of God. A popular Catholic saying is to love the sinner and hate the sin. I mean, we're all sinners, so condemning someone else for their problems is really hypocritical.

I can understand if some people got this condemning view of organized religion based on some anecdotal evidence, people they know, etc, but I just wanted to clarify that it's not the Church's doctrine to go around pointing out to everyone that they're going to hell or that they're a sinful person. I guess I can't speak for other organized religion, but if you meet a Catholic doing that THEY'RE WRONG.

That is all.

....If only this is how it actually happened.

Whitterpow

Cashingn2 said:

The only real UO I've ever had is that I don't like (really can't stand) organized religion. I'm also not convinced that God inspired a bunch of men to write a book. If we heard that these days, we'd lock them up. Some of the most skeptical people I know swear by the Bible and it amazes me. Don't get me wrong, I think the world is a better place because people believe in a higher power.

Yeah I don't think this will create much of a debate on December, April on the other hand... I do have my set of beliefs, but I also have respect for people who choose to believe in something different. The only time I get upset is if someone treats me as though I'm less intelligent because of what I choose to believe.

nicholssquared

Cashingn2 said:

@nicholssquared, you're certainly reading into it too much. I've been to many churches, the Catholic Church isn't one of them so I can't say what they're like(to clarify since I'm the one who said it). I won't list all the ones I've been to as I don't want to single any religion out and make those on our board of that faith feel like this is about "their" religion. I'm glad there are people that feel comfortable attending religious gatherings, I'm just not one of them. Eta: I should add that most of my experiences are from attending churches in a small town where everyone gossips about everyone else's business. It always drove me BSC. I don't get why people are so concerned with other people's business

I'm not trying to make it about "my" religion, necessarily. I just know that things like that have been said about my Church (not necessarily on this board, but in general), that we're judgey, intolerant, etc, and I find that to be a misrepresentation of my faith and I was just trying to clear up that misrepresentation, should anyone on this board have it. My statement was more of a FYI than a direct response to your UO.

Although, I must agree, I've never understood the "everyone in everyone else's business crap," whether it's at a Church (although I have never experienced it at mine), school or work. I just can't bother myself to get all worked up about everyone else choices; I just want to focus on making good decisions for me! I can't keep up with policing everyone else's behavior. And, as a Catholic, I do have a lot of personal choices that get me the side-eye from people (refusing BC, for example) and I just really don't see why they even care?

Ktrue85

Since @KateMW wants it juicy today, how about spanking?

My UO is H and I are pro-spanking, when/if necessary.

notkateanymore

I was about to have to start talking abortion...this has been so lame. I mean TV licenses?

mavgirl_73

nicholssquared said:

So, as you all know I am a very religious person, and I just wanted to say that I feel like people may be making generalizations here. I am a very well-formed Catholic. I practice and I know my faith very well. And I feel as if the statements about how "organized religion is judgey, etc." is stereotyping my faith with something that the Church doesn't actually teach.

The Catholic Church does not believe in predestination, precondemnation or any such thing that would lead people to believe they are certainly going to heaven or to hell. The Church teaches that God alone knows the sins of the individual, and therefore we can't assume anything about them, their lifestyle, or condemn them in any way. We are called to love everyone and treat them with respect, regardless of their views or choices, because we are all created in the image and likeness of God. A popular Catholic saying is to love the sinner and hate the sin. I mean, we're all sinners, so condemning someone else for their problems is really hypocritical.

I can understand if some people got this condemning view of organized religion based on some anecdotal evidence, people they know, etc, but I just wanted to clarify that it's not the Church's doctrine to go around pointing out to everyone that they're going to hell or that they're a sinful person. I guess I can't speak for other organized religion, but if you meet a Catholic doing that THEY'RE WRONG.

That is all.

As a former catholic (was even a novice) I feel like you are definitely the minority. The Catholic Church is one of the most hypocritical institutions in existence. What Cannon law says and how it's carried out/expressed by its leadership are two completely different things. That being said I do think the general population has a very skewed vision of the church but I think in part the church is responsible for that. They have some pretty terrible leadership and foster some pretty hypocritical doctrine. My husband and I were married in the church and baptized our first child in the church but after a lot of soul searching and reconciliation of our morals and beliefs we decided that although we view ourselves as "catholic" to continue to support a church with such radically hypocritical beliefs would be putting ourselves and our children into a very awkward position. I'm glad you feel you have a strong belief in your faith and your church.

natleilynn

superspecialsnowflake said:

KateMW said:

superspecialsnowflake said:

My UO is that I hate the phrase, "I guess we'll have to agree to disagree." I hate it because most of the time when people say it, they mean, "I see you're an idiot who can't see reason, and I have better things to do than argue with you."

That's basically exactly what I mean.

As they say, "bless you heart..." : D I mean, people know that insults are insults, even when nice words are used. I'm somehow more offended by the implied insult that just being bluntly honest.

Omg Bless Your Heart is my go-to saying. I've taught a few people up here what it really means, but for the most part, it seems like people up here are clueless. I finally explained that it essentially you can say whatever you want about people. 

natleilynn

Sunshine5788 said:

Ktrue85 said:

Since @KateMW wants it juicy today, how about spanking? My UO is H and I are pro-spanking, when/if necessary.

My H and I are also pro-spanking. I feel like alot of women/mothers around my age side-eye me for this opinion, but whatever I was spanked as a child and I don't have any of the problems they cite for why they don't spank their children.

Um, I definitely thought she was talking about dirty spanking.

I'm gonna go back to work now...

nicholssquared

Ktrue85 said:

Since @KateMW wants it juicy today, how about spanking? My UO is H and I are pro-spanking, when/if necessary.

I'm so pro-spanking. It's fine when you establish consistent boundaries that are never broken.

1. Never spank while angry
2. When you threaten it, follow through
3. Never hit/discipline someone else's child
4. Never hit so hard as to leave marks or bruises
5. It is to be used sparingly, so the discipline carries serious implications when done.
6. Time out is always the first solution

At this point, I hardly every need to spank DS1. If I ask him if he needs a spanking on his bottom, he normally says, "nope!" and shapes right up. This is how it was intended to be used, IMO.

nofcksgiven

nicholssquared said:

Cashingn2 said:

@nicholssquared, you're certainly reading into it too much. I've been to many churches, the Catholic Church isn't one of them so I can't say what they're like(to clarify since I'm the one who said it). I won't list all the ones I've been to as I don't want to single any religion out and make those on our board of that faith feel like this is about "their" religion. I'm glad there are people that feel comfortable attending religious gatherings, I'm just not one of them.

Eta: I should add that most of my experiences are from attending churches in a small town where everyone gossips about everyone else's business. It always drove me BSC. I don't get why people are so concerned with other people's business

I'm not trying to make it about "my" religion, necessarily. I just know that things like that have been said about my Church (not necessarily on this board, but in general), that we're judgey, intolerant, etc, and I find that to be a misrepresentation of my faith and I was just trying to clear up that misrepresentation, should anyone on this board have it. My statement was more of a FYI than a direct response to your UO.

Although, I must agree, I've never understood the "everyone in everyone else's business crap," whether it's at a Church (although I have never experienced it at mine), school or work. I just can't bother myself to get all worked up about everyone else choices; I just want to focus on making good decisions for me! I can't keep up with policing everyone else's behavior. And, as a Catholic, I do have a lot of personal choices that get me the side-eye from people (refusing BC, for example) and I just really don't see why they even care?


I don't care if you don't use birth control, but I do care when the largest church in the world tells it's followers that using birth control is a sin. I care when I see Catholic organizations standing outside of Planned Parenthood with pictures of aborted babies with a caption of "murder" or something along those lines.
The Church helps set women's rights back 50 years.

They condemn homosexuality- unless it involves them and underage children- then they just sweep it under the rug.

I was confirmed Catholic and there are some fabulous things about Catholicism. When it comes to not judging, they don't quite make the cut.

leahraewku

MarBee1214 said:

 

This is why I LOVE my church.  I know so many people who openly struggle with particular things in their life and there are quite a few openly gay people in our church.   We don't do memberships...we just gather together every week with whoever comes and we do what we came to do, which is worship together and build relationships with other Christians.  The pastor does do sermons about the sin of homosexuality as written in the Bible...and I think its amazing that those openly gay church-goers...STILL come back every week.  That's a great church.

And this is where you lost me. 

74dragonfly

Ktrue85 said:

Since @KateMW wants it juicy today, how about spanking?

My UO is H and I are pro-spanking, when/if necessary.

How do you teach your child not to hit others if you hit them?

notkateanymore

leahraewku said:

MarBee1214 said:

 

This is why I LOVE my church.  I know so many people who openly struggle with particular things in their life and there are quite a few openly gay people in our church.   We don't do memberships...we just gather together every week with whoever comes and we do what we came to do, which is worship together and build relationships with other Christians.  The pastor does do sermons about the sin of homosexuality as written in the Bible...and I think its amazing that those openly gay church-goers...STILL come back every week.  That's a great church.

And this is where you lost me. 

I don't see that as a great church as much as sad parishioners. I couldn't imagine attending a church that condemned my lifestyle.

lollipoppoop

TXmamatobe said:

I’m really late to this party but I don’t like when people dress all of their kids in matching clothes.  I can see the same color schemes, some sort of theme for a picture but for normal, everyday clothing, I can’t stand matchy matchy.  A boring UO but I had to get it out. 

 I also can’t stand when people put bows on their daughters that are bigger than their heads…

Your going to hate me then, I freaking loves huge bows lol

mavgirl_73

I hate kids mega birthday parties. I throw them (standard bday stuff) for my kids but I generally think mega parties, especially for toddlers, are ridiculous. I think when parents do it they are showing off and it becomes about them, not their kid.

TheSloppySwish

Sunshine5788 said:

Ktrue85 said:

Since @KateMW wants it juicy today, how about spanking? My UO is H and I are pro-spanking, when/if necessary.

My H and I are also pro-spanking. I feel like alot of women/mothers around my age side-eye me for this opinion, but whatever I was spanked as a child and I don't have any of the problems they cite for why they don't spank their children.

While I typically think people are douchey for saying "just wait until you have the baby," I think it applies in this case.

Assuming you're both FTMs, your opinion about this might change. Saying you're pro-spanking in theory and actually hitting your own child are two different things.

notkateanymore

mavgirl_73 said:

I hate kids mega birthday parties. I throw them (standard bday stuff) for my kids but I generally think mega parties, especially for toddlers, are ridiculous. I think when parents do it they are showing off and it becomes about them, not their kid.

Meh. I love parties of all kinds, birthdays are no different.

mavgirl_73

TheSloppySwish said:

Sunshine5788 said:

Ktrue85 said:

Since @KateMW wants it juicy today, how about spanking?

My UO is H and I are pro-spanking, when/if necessary.

My H and I are also pro-spanking. I feel like alot of women/mothers around my age side-eye me for this opinion, but whatever I was spanked as a child and I don't have any of the problems they cite for why they don't spank their children.

While I typically think people are douchey for saying "just wait until you have the baby," I think it applies in this case.

Assuming you're both FTMs, your opinion about this might change. Saying you're pro-spanking in theory and actually hitting your own child are two different things.

I disagree. I was pro spanking before I was a mom and I am now too. In the right context it's very appropriate. It has worked for us when our daughter wouldn't do "time out" and was in real danger of hurting herself. Toddlers and preschoolers, from a developmental stand point, are not abstract thinkers so concepts like time out dont always work.

insertclevername

KKDRAGONFLY said:

How do you teach your child not to hit others if you hit them?

I cannot get behind spanking at all because of this.  It just makes no sense to me.  A huge issue that I just had with my DH was discipline.  DS1 was yelling and being a typical toddler.  Instead of calmly informing DS1 that we use our inside voice and that it is not nice to yell, DH yelled at DS1 to stop yelling.  That is pretty much the definition of ludicrous.  You don't teach a child not to do something by doing it.  There is always a more appropriate and effective form of discipline that spanking or yelling.

nicholssquared

Meggie0421 said:

I don't care if you don't use birth control, but I do care when the largest church in the world tells it's followers that using birth control is a sin. I care when I see Catholic organizations standing outside of Planned Parenthood with pictures of aborted babies with a caption of "murder" or something along those lines. The Church helps set women's rights back 50 years. They condemn homosexuality- unless it involves them and underage children- then they just sweep it under the rug. I was confirmed Catholic and there are some fabulous things about Catholicism. When it comes to not judging, they don't quite make the cut.

I understand how you must feel that the Church is attacking you and attacking women's rights. But that's not the way I see it. Our doctrine clearly indicates to us that I we should never attack anyone or any group of people, only actions that are unjust.

I had premarital sex. I knew it was wrong according to my faith. When I spoke to my priest, I was informed that it was wrong, but that God still loved me as a person, with the capacity to do great good. Similarly, the Church teaches that using BC and having an abortion is wrong, but not that the women who do those things are terrible sinners that are inherently evil and beyond loving. I think when the Church doesn't make it clear that while the oppose the actions, the people who choose to do those things are still inherently good, it misrepresents itself and hurts its image greatly.

I think the comment about the sex abuse scandal is untrue and unnecessary. The Church clearly teaches that sex outside of marriage is wrong in any situation and it absolutely was not swept under the rug within the Church. There were sweeping inquiries and investigations, awareness campaigns and education and hierarchical reform that took place within our organization, they just weren't publicized at all, especially compared to the abuse itself. And the people who were involved in what supposed "cover ups" that took place were certainly not praised by the Church, they were reprimanded severely.

mavgirl_73

CitrusXoXo said:

TXmamatobe said:

I’m really late to this party but I don’t like when people dress all of
their kids in matching clothes.  I can
see the same color schemes, some sort of theme for a picture but for normal,
everyday clothing, I can’t stand matchy matchy. 
A boring UO but I had to get it out. 

 I also can’t stand when people put bows on their daughters that are
bigger than their heads…

Your going to hate me then, I freaking loves huge bows lol


I love them too!!

zou bisou

Hey it's the religion debate!  I'll come out too.  I'm a Bible believing Christian.  That's definitely a UO to my agnostic family.  But God changed the life that I always saw as good, or certainly good enough by most standards, to become a meaningful walk with him.  I'm a changed person.  I don't understand or even like some things in the Bible.  But when I come those stumbling points for me, I remember the example of Jesus and the woman at the well caught in adultery.  He protected her, loved her, and told her to stop sinning.  That gives me comfort when I'm not comfortable with all the things biblically called out as sin.  The clearest picture of God's love, Jesus, reacted with compassion, protection, and gentle re-direction.  I love that picture of love.

monkeybutt61612

I think packing a hospital bag weeks in advance is silly and unnecessary.