I'm so late on this, I agree with a lot of what others have already said.
Glad Ghost is still with us. That would have been wrong to kill him off screen. But what a hard way to go for almost ALL of the dothraki. I was really worried about Arya, and then I was like well she needs to see Melissandre again before she can die because M said they would meet again, so I was feeling better and then I saw the actress' name in the opening credits and I got all worried again. When they had the eyes conversation I feel like it kind of gave away the end game, but I still very much enjoyed it.
Like many others I am shocked that so many people made it out alive. I actually put the box of tissues next to me on the sofa because I thought we were going to have a lot more deaths. I had more tears in the 2nd episode, but again, that one was more about the people and stories and not the fighting.
I'm interested to see where these supersized episodes take us since the "great war" is over. I really thought we'd get more out of the crypt scenes, specifically the dead rising. Though the Sansa/Tyrion scenes were excellent.
I also loved that Arya is who/what motivated the Hound back into action. It was a quietly sweet moment.
Does this put to rest the Bran is the Night King theory? I always kind of hated that.
Also, I wear a fitbit and by the end my heart rate was over 100 sitting on my sofa, watching this show...
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I liked the episode. We had turned up the brightness because we were watching at 6 PM and it was so bright here. Honestly, episode caused so many pains from stress haha.
Idk how Dany will fight Cersei now with her army pretty much gone.
I knew the NK had to die or they would all die but I didn’t realize it would be Arya! You go arya! We’re gonna rewatch tmr when I’m not all stressed and anxious.
Episode 5 will be the one where more people has to die. I definitely thought there would be more death here but I’m ok with the survival.
Jon and Dany were so useless in battle lol. Yelling at an undead dragon, Jon?!
@Avrilmai - TBH, I was surprised I had teared up at the Sansa/Tyrion moments because I just don't have it in me to cry for sentimental reasons (i.e. if you see me crying ... RUN). But yeah, I was expecting to fall out a few times ... but every single time I thought someone was dead, they'd appear 48 seconds later. Which is also why I didn't catch that Ghost is still alive. Sigh.
@olivemomma - I'd be the same way, I'd love to hang out with Tormund and would be super upset if he's there to only hang out with DH!
I'm glad Bran is not the actual Night King, but I'm still super interested in seeing the explanation of their connection. And all of the memes/gifs related to Bran being so unaffected to being so close to someone who clearly has ZERO effs to give.
I, too, am concerned about them having ONLY major characters while they plan on marching down to Cersei. And only one dragon. I'm still very sad about that, though, I'm still pretty firmly in the not-Dany camp by now. I know it's her Targaryaen showing, but damn ... have a little flexibility. And appreciation. Though I was happy she was like "screw your plan, Jon" and went out there after her Dothraki followers were extinguished. I *really* would have liked to have followed the cloud/sky battle with the dragons, though, but it was so flippin' dark.
Again, I'd like some time to elapse so people can heal - maybe some alliances formed - AND we can call Cersei on her BS (or not) pregnancy ... that *if* it's real, she's gonna act like is Euron's to piss of Jaime. Oooooooh, and then Arya can continue as the newly-dubbed Kingslayer and remove the new coupling from the throne.
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@MamaK225 We did the same thing, well I guess -blank- is dead, then he/she would pop up again and we were like, wait. After the episode we had to recap who we saw die. We didn't actually see Ghost again this episode, at least I didn't, but he was in the preview for next week. DH was having a debate with 2 friends over Rheagal one thought the dragon was dead the other said he's alive, but it looks like there are 2 dragons in the sneak peek for next week, so I guess he makes a recovery?
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@Avrilmai - I didn't get to watch the preview because DH got all annoyed and I lost rights to the remote as I was putting DD1 asleep. I'll have to look it up. I would assume Rhaegal made a recovery because he shook of ALL those people that then surrounded Dany & Jorah. But who knows!? Anyone's guess!
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Pretty sure both living dragons made it out injured, but alive.
Nights of Vale being in the Vale...maybe some stayed behind to protect Robin but most of them were at Winterfell.
I wouldnt worry about them not having enough people. This is make believe, I'm sure they will find more people who survived and then gather up the remaining bannermen on their way down. Remember, not everyone was loyal enough to go fight undead, but they may be loyal enough (or forced) to go fight Cersei.
to @sourlemon 's point there was that whole issue with the Glovers leaving and going back home. Also, what about Howland Reed and Meera? What do y'all think, any chance we will see them before the season is over?
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Howland may show up if only to stand behind Jon's claim to the throne. I don't see much more of a purpose for him at this point. Provide a few dudes maybe.
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I thought of Brienne and Jaime as having a more noble relationship rather than a physical one. I did not like them getting together, and then I especially didn't like Jaime running off. I think it's still possible he's going to kill Cersei but who knows.
I am not surprised that Rheagal and Missandei died this season although in true GOT fashion the writers surprised us in how those things happened.
Oh my gosh, and the tactical errors just keep stacking up. First, Dany has proven she cares very little for others except a select few - her troops and dragons clearly did need rest and also Dragonstone is very close to King's Landing, how did no one expect an ambush there? Second, if I'm Cersei, who, let's face it, isn't known for her honor, and I have Dany and her most important advisors and protectors within arrow/scorpian range, I just shoot them right there and then. Sure the dragon comes to attack you but you've just proven you can take a dragon out so why not go for it? So weird.
Next up the face off between two completely mad queens.
How will Varys attempt/arrange the take down of Dany? It seems certain to happen.
@zamora_spin I was so disappointed in the episode as a whole.
It felt like the goodbyes to Tormund, Sam, and Ghost were just thrown out there to tie up those story lines out of nowhere. JON DIDN'T EVEN SAY GOODBYE TO GHOST??? What is that??
Bronn and Jaime's character arcs were thrown out the window in a single episode (hoping for some kind of ulterior motive for Jaime's actions - like he wants to be the one to kill Cersei?)
Was so sad for Gendry, BUT Arya is and has always been who she is so I don't blame her for that one.
How did Dany and her dragons not see the iron fleet by dragon stone? They are in the sky and logically would be able to see a lot. And if Euron's ships were out of sight, how on earth could he have been so accurate with the scorpion? And to that same point, in the books it says nothing can penetrate dragon scales so I guess they just completely ignored that.
I hated how much happened off screen - Missandei's capture and Jon telling his sisters who he really is. We didn't get the chance to see how these characters reacted.
Finally, Euron is the most worthless character I can think of in this whole show. He is flat and one dimensional and has no purpose.
Will Theon's redemption story be the only one we get?
In general, the episode last night left me feeling like "what's the point of this show if everyone's characters are just going to be ruined by the final episodes?"
@zamora_spin I was pleasantly surprised at how much action was in this episode. I was expecting a bit of a down episode based off all the action of last week.
I'm not sure how I feel about Jamie and Brienne's relationship turning physical. I always thought of their relationship as built off mutual respect and admiration for each other. Brienne has shown that she can "love" someone knowing that a physical relationship is out of the question (Renly). Plus, doesn't sleeping with Jamie potentially go against her knight's vows?!?!
I bawled when Dany gave Gendry his lordship and Storm's End. Totally not a surprise that Arya turned down his marriage proposal, but still sad that they probably won't end up together. That being said, based on the preview from next week...(spoiler tag for those who don't watch the next episode preview)
I'm pretty sure that Gendry is going to work on making some kick-ass dragon armor for Drogon!
i didn’t dislike the jaime and brienne scene as much (DH hated it). But I think it’s Obvious she has loved him for some time and I thought it was him importantly distancing himself From Cersei.
i do think he is going to end up killing her but I don’t think that’s his intention right now.
Im starting to get upset with the Daenerys character arc. I DOnt really care if she doesn’t end up on the thrown, but she has always (mostly) been a moral character and they seem intent on making her go over the edge. I mean home girl showed up in westeros with an unbeatable force and has given most of it up for Jon and the greater good and has received almost no credit for doing so. I’d be a little testy too. If they suddenly make her go against everything she has believed in all to raise a man to the thrown I’m going to be pissed. What does that say about women in power - we all go crazy eventually?! She better go out doing the right thing
Forgot to add this to my post earlier...Is it just me or does it seem like something really bad is going to go down in Winterfell? All of the fighting forces are gone: Jon and Dany went south and the freefolk went back north (along with Ghost). The Hound and Arya are headed to King's Landing for their own unfinished business. Then the reveal of Gilly's pregnancy...whom they are planning to name after Jon??? Did they not learned anything from the Red Wedding?
I think I'm still processing my thoughts/feelings. So far... Brienne/Jaime. I liked that they had a relationship built on mutual respect and love and I don't think it needed to progress to a physical one. I really hated him leaving and her reaction. My hope is like yours @zamora_spin he is going to to King's Landing to kill Cersei. I agree, poor Ghost didn't even get a goodbye, just a glance...not cool Jon. DH and I both laughed out loud when Gendry got down on one knee. He said he loves Arya, and I believe that he thinks he does, but he clearly does not know her at all. I am all for the Arya/Hound road trip part II, but I get the feeling we wont get to see that. Sansa is not to be trusted with a secret, clearly. I am very curious to see what Varys does with this information. @zamora_spin he seemed to imply to Tyrion that if Dany will not get out of the way then he would have her killed. Also, I agree with you...I was thinking the same about Dany and the troops. Cersei could have just taken them out then and there and been done with it. Poor Missandei she deserved better.
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Another tactical thought: It seems from what they've shown that Cersei's only allies are the handful in her inner circle, those who are under control by fear, and the mercenaries (who wouldn't have a reason to fight for Cersei if Cersei is dead). Rather than the two options of attacking King's Landing presented in the episode (starve them out or burn it down), couldn't Dany just ask nicely for Arya to go down and kill Cersei, Euron and Qyburn? Cersei's already on Arya's list, I think if someone took out those three it would be easy to take over from there.
@olivemomma I go back and forth on that question on Dany - is she diverging (conveniently and suddenly for the sake of the plot) from who she's been or simply falling back to her worst instincts when cornered? Certainly before season 7 I rooted for Dany. Realistically she's burned her enemies for her entire arc. Until recently the thing her enemies had in common was they were unlikable. For example when she exchanges a dragon for the unsullied and then says "A dragon is not a slave" and burns the despicable slave dealing dude alive, well, I didn't particularly like that dude and thought it was a smooth move at the time. But the more I think back on it - she made a deal and then went back on it and murdered someone. I am also not sure she's entirely selfless in setting people free. It was arguably the most expedient way to get what she wanted - she wants power and control, but also she wants to be adored and has an over-inflated sense of her own destiny (I'm sorry but in this world birth right doesn't mean a ton, every family who's been on the throne did so by force if you go far enough back). I totally agree she should get more credit for helping with the northern fight, at the same time she let her troops be the front line in a very stupid battle strategy sure to get them mostly killed.
@Lotus_2008 It would be a bad time for something bad to happen at Winterfell. You could be right (the signs are all there as you said) but they also have so little time idk how they'd work that plot in.
@olivemomma - I can't name the exact moment, but Dany has been on my Meh list for a while. There was a moment (again, I can't remember it) where I was like ... annnnnnnnd there's that inner Targaeryn (i.e. Mad King-ishness).
I get her point in deserving the throne and applaud all that she has done, but LBH, that was an unfair temper tantrum she threw and - that ice in her eyes - ouch. I can't agree with the Patriarchy, but them's the rules, sis. Also, question: if they WOULD have waited a little time and she DID end up preggo with Jon's baby AND it were a boy, would that one have a stronger claim to the throne? Just food for thought ...
I'm still not convinced the physical relationship needed to happen between Brienne and Jaime, and I'm pretty confused why it *ended* the way it did. If it was a one-time thing after the drinking game, sure. But it seems that it was recurrent and something was developing and ... he just skulked off to "kill" Cersei. We all know better. Like Tyrion said, he KNOWS Cersei is a monster, but loves/loved her anyway. Ain't gonna happen, ESPECIALLY when she's carrying his child. I'm still mad we didn't get Tormienne; I was realllllllllllllly holding out for that.
Arya is gonna take her out to complete the list, but I'm hoping it goes down a little differently: that she and the Hound reconcile-ish, she helps Hound take down Mountain and - while Hound dies while he does take down his brother - it somehow results in Arya being able to take down Cersei without her big ass zombie bodyguard.
I also feel this sneaking suspicion *something* is going to go down at Winterfell because err'body has left the building (well, the Wildlings will leave when the weather lifts a little). But, I'm also wondering since there aren't many episodes left: either it's going to be something massive & immediate or it's just going to kind of be ignored until Sansa makes an appearance somewhere at the end (bringing in some additional troops from loyal Northern lords) to save the day.
I think Jon's ... just up in the air right now, I have no expectations of him except to mess up at some point because he's torn between loyalties, even though we *know* Starks are bred to be overly loyal to family.
Not sure what Varys is gonna do, but I'm waiting for some serious drama with that one. I love him so much and I think he's absolutely right that neither of them appear to have the totality of people of The Realm in mind (Cersei - obviously, Dany - wanting to destroy the Masters/holder of chains). But that we - at least - kind of know what we have with Cersei (you know, since Jon refuses to acknowledge his birthright because of his love and loyalty to Dany - though I see that cracking with that cooooooold ultimatum from her).
I'm kind of disappointed with how Sam/Gilly story is ending (I don't think they'll reappear in the series), was really hoping all that protecting of Little Sam & Gilly and Sam being holed up with all those books would result in something more than a lineage reveal - I mean, he freakin' healed Jorah (RIP) - he's got potential. Was thinking maybe he could also manage to concoct some wildfire and help Arya send Cersei off in a rightful full-circle of fiery death.
I'm sure there's more, but I'm hungry and need to think back on it a little bit.
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I'm really disappointed that Tormund didn't get to hit up Brienne and instead Brienne hooked up with Jaime. Her ugly crying when he left was just such a turn off LOL. But I'm happy for her since she clearly liked him. Jaime is going to kill Cersei I am sure. Cersei cannot live after killing Misandre like that and she will welcome Jaime into closed quarters making it easy for him to get to her. SUPER bummed about the second dragon dying so suddenly.
@sourlemon - I am with you 100% on all but the Tyrion prediction, I think there's just too-little time left (I mean, The War lasted ... one night??). It could possibly be presented as an afterthought and the "shocker" we're left with at the finale, though.
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@zamora_spin I'm with you on the noble relationship part. And since they made them get physical, it seems a bit of an oversight not only on their history together but on character continuity for Jaime to be drunk when it happens. It was really F'd up for him to take her virginity and leave all the while giving her a shit can explanation.
@kminacap Hadn't thought about how we didn't get to see their reactions. Good observation!
@Lotus_2008 What do you mean goes against her knight vows?
My other thoughts about the episode: I did not like the queen stand off and feel it was a waste of precious GOT episode time. It doesn't make sense to go to Cersei after everyone has learned that she can never be reasoned with. I guess my saying Daenerys is short sighted when she is in her power hungry mode matches this. But Tyrion? For crying out loud. That whole exchange was disappointing. She has never cared about her children or anyone else. It has always been about herself and the iron throne.
The direction they've taken Sansa's character to is fantastic. She has really come into her own. I loved the exchange between her and The Hound. For Arya, I'm not surprised she refused his marriage proposal. It stays in line with her "I am noone" persona as well as her lack of desire to be arm candy for a lord.
Imo, house Stark has sacrificed and lost the most in the entire show, and so deserves the iron throne.
@MamaK225 I agree with you about Jaime not killing Cersei unless in his mind, he thinks that would be the only way to make up for his screw ups--for lack of a better word.
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@suzycupcake Re: knight vows, I thought that knights (similar to Night's Watch) were not allowed to take wives and father children. Obviously they were written for men, but they probably never thought a woman would be knighted. Maybe I'm getting something from the books mixed in with something that was never introduced in the show.
@Lotus_2008 are you thinking of the King's Guard? I know that was an issue for Tywin with Jaime not being the heir, but I don't think that refers to other knights
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Ohhhh I was like wait, Jaime has certainly broken his vows too then.
Did anyone else find Daenerys explanation about how she couldn’t love Jorah, weird? We did because she probably wouldn’t be able to love anyone the way she loved her Khal Drogo, not even Jon. It just seems strange that she brought it up in almost a regrettable way or what was the point of even saying that to Jon?
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In fact, I'm finding so many things in this season unnecessarily awkward. Like how all these women are portrayed; we've had all this character development and these intricate plots and ... Dany & Cersei are just gonna throw temper tantrums instead of methodical, logical attacks? We all know Cersei is batshit, but she didn't get there through stomping her feet - there was manipulations and cunning and alliances and ... and we're just gonna be ok with her hosting a pissing match up at the top of the Red Keep? And all these off-screen things and confusion about WTF is even going on. From my previous entry a few weeks ago, I had no clue who was alive or dead from scene to scene because it was all like "well, Brienne's dead" or "there goes Hound" and then they'd pop back up in the next scene, then the reveal with Bran and the Starks, etc. And Brienne+Jaime, can't even begin with that. The Gendry proposal ... why oh why was that even a thing? Maybe an option after she goes to KL and takes that final name off her list and survives, but approaching her like a love-crazed fanboy after 1 roll-in-the-hay followed by a terrifying "War" with the undead? And to use the word "Lady" when we all cringed a little inside as soon as it was said. We all know he knows better/otherwise. Maybe I'm just bitter that I can't ship Torienne anymore ... I just feel we're getting a sloppy wrap-up to a series that 30 million+ of us have been following for years and I just want/expect more. Ok, rant over
For me, it’s extremely anticlimactic to go from all of the alliances who defeated the dead in one evening after building that shit up for seven seasons with “Winter is coming!” by one stab wound that suddenly made all of them die like the same bloodline of vampires
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to a war with Cersei who we haven’t really seen for awhile and has an alliance with the old geezers of Kings landing, her big scary guard, and her new lay—Euron Greyjoy. Really, are we supposed to be afraid of them? The thought of this impending ‘battle’ bores me.
But as a side note, has anyone ever been satisfied with a series wrap up?
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Well last night was a doozy. And in all honesty I’m still not sure how I feel about it all.
I think I have the same complaint I did last week - Daenerys had basically been built up this entire show to be a heroin - yes she has definitely had some eyebrow raising moments where some Targaryen has come out, not denying that - but in general I think she had been portrayed as the antithesis of her Father and Brother, as someone who tries to take the moral high ground, as someone who truly wants to do good by the people she hopes to rule without being a pushover. This has been her character more or less through the third episode of this very season when she marched North at great personal cost and sacrifice to do the right thing for the realm. And then she gets beat down again and again and goes all Mad Queen over the course of 2 episodes. She’s been down before and has always pulled through in pretty spectacular fashion, usually earning loyalty and respect in mass as she lifts herself up. It’s not that I need her to end up on the throne, actually I think that would have been way too simple and expected of an ending, but I think her turn was too fast and drastic for me to appreciate and believe. I don’t think until possibly the episode prior to this one that anyone would have expected her to burn the city to the ground and literally be the cause of becoming the “Queen of the Ashes” she had been fighting against. Too much too fast.
It seems next week is gearing up to be a Stark/Tyrion/Jon against her where I’m guessing the entire story line culminates with a ‘Bastard to King’ ending and that no one who actually has wanted the throne throughout the entire show can claim it as the rightful ruler. That’s assuming there is an actual iron throne at the end which I’m not convinced of. I think Arya will take her out - there has been too much mention this season of the Starks “protecting the family” so I’m guessing Daenerys will try to go after Sansa when she refuses to bend the knee (throwback to the Tarlys) which will be the final nail in the coffin for the other 3 still in Kings Landing to team up to take her down. Tricky proposition with a dragon still in play but maybe Jon will have some Targaryen influence there?
so what does everyone think? Will there be a winner to the game of thrones? Who will it be? I can’t believe there is only 1 left.
@olivemomma I am just unbelievably disappointed in this season. Every character arc (with the exception of The Hound) has been ruined. Now that the Night King is gone (which was also a pretty underwhelming defeat), Jon doesn't really seem like he has much of a purpose. Tyrion has become dumb and not clever at all, Jaime's arc was completely ruined in 1 1/2 episodes, Brienne was left crying in a house coat over a man, Sansa has become a backstabber, Cersei got the softest death in the entire series, Arya hasn't gotten to use her face swapping skill at all and has now chosen to forget about revenge? WHAT ABOUT HER LIST!? and Dany has become her father despite 7 seasons of her showing restraint and choosing the high road again and again. Literally none of it makes sense and it makes me so mad.
No one wins here - we all lose because the characters went no where.
I am super disappointed in Dany. I wanted her to just blow Cersei out of that window and leave it at that but noooo. Jaime is an idiot, and Cerseis death was also lacking. I honestly don't believe they are dead because there was no confirmation. How can we have one episode left??? What was with the Schindlers List "girl in red" rerun with the girl and her toy pony?
I still stand by the following three of my predictions that are still in the running:
Dany dies.
Jon walks away from the throne and goes North to live out his days as a creepy Targaryen (Aemon Targaryen like).
Tyrion is a Targaryen and will sit on the throne. He will give the north to Sansa to be Queen of the North.
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My prediction for the coming finale is:
Arya tries to kill Dany. Arya dies in the process. Jon kills Dany because Arya. Everything else plays out as above. I'm probably super wrong, but I'll take that chance lol.
Nothing was surprising about last night honestly, except the lack of screaming by Varys as he burned.
- The Mad Queen arc has been hinted at since season 1 and even though she often chose the moral high ground, when she chose violence, it was VIOLENT and unforgiving.
- Cersei died with Jamie's hands around her neck. Although those hands didnt drain the life from her literally, her accepting the fate at the end with Jamie there did figuratively drain the life out of her before the collapse. He died in the arms of the woman he loved - which he said was his desire a few seasons back. Yes, his redemptive arc was smashed...but in the end he stayed true to himself.
- Jon was quite useless but he was in shock. All along he has always been pretty useless when in shock.
- Arya giving up on the Cersei and the Mountain were not necessarily her giving up on her list. She just accepts that those two are not hers to kill. Her list continues, with Dany. But it will cost her her life, so by going after Dany next episode she accepts that she will die.
- Tyrion realizes he was wrong and can no longer be loyal, but also knows his name on her shit list so he has to tread lightly. Jon and Davos also realize this.
- The white horse is yet another parallel to LOTR. Also the Bible - death rides on a pale horse in the apocalypse.
- Where TF do all these new Dothraki and Unsullied pop up from? Like 5 Dothraki survived Winterfell and the Unsullied seem to be multiplying -- although they can't actually multiply lol.
@sourlemon I was wondering the same thing about the Dothraki and Unsullied. Magic I suppose lol. Also the white horse at the end looked to have the same pink nose markings as the white horse in the beginning that died. I didn't go back to check but it did look to match the first horse.
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@sourlemon - I would be interested to hear how you think her character arc has been in The cards since the beginning? My DH thinks so too but his theories made no sense to me...
Yes they have talked about the Targaryen family being violent with a good amount of crazy thrown in there, but I feel she was also meant to be portrayed as the opposite of that. And her moments where she did portray violence were most always against enemies and for the sake of helping those who could not help themselves. She took counsel and applied it in her rule from various advisors, time and again showed restraint at the head of a powerful army, gained admiration and love from her followers, etc. Never once leading up to this season did I hear anyone predict she was going to go rogue mad queen and kill thousands upon thousands of innocent people - it wasn’t who she was! I don’t know maybe it’s hindsight is 20/20 and my vision is still foggy but I just don’t see this character arc fitting with who they have pushed her to be for 95% of the series. Would love someone clarity
@olivemomma in general, I would have agreed with you if I hadn't started rewatching the series from the beginning before this season came out. When was the last time you watched the early seasons (just 1-4, after that it was no longer GRRM writing it)? If you rewatch those seasons, I think you'll see it. Especially in the instances of revenge...which this last episode was all about revenge, not retaking the throne.
Didn't Dany crucify the Masters when she freed the slaves? She also barely flinched when her brother was murdered in front of her. She killed Sam's father and brother for not bending the knee.
She's always had flashes of violence and cruelty.. either tolerating it or committing it outright.
She lost her friend and loyal adviser, Jorah. She just lost her child and her best friend. All three died in front of her eyes. She fell in love with a man for the first time since Khal,
sacrifices most of her army for Jon, and then he not only spurns her,
but now is a threat to the only thing she feels she has left to live for. In light of these personal losses, I'm not all that surprised she took her rage and hurt out on King's Landing, which she may view as the symbol of all her grief.
@sourlemon yes I have watched it 3 times!! (Don’t judge 😉) and most recently right before this season aired. I still would have never seen it all coming. Fiery rage at intended targets like Cersei with zero regret - absolutely. Burning those alive who betray her, threaten her, etc., - sure, why not? Intentionally slaughtering thousands of innocent people including children who have surrendered - nope. I’ve also read the books and still can’t see it.
I think my other big hangup on this whole issue is if she would have been a male character we would not be judging her past actions so harshly - even the noblest of male characters in this show (looking at you Jon Snow) have had their moments.
Pretty sure I just need to move on and focus on better moments like the brother Clegaine face off
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Glad Ghost is still with us. That would have been wrong to kill him off screen. But what a hard way to go for almost ALL of the dothraki.
I was really worried about Arya, and then I was like well she needs to see Melissandre again before she can die because M said they would meet again, so I was feeling better and then I saw the actress' name in the opening credits and I got all worried again. When they had the eyes conversation I feel like it kind of gave away the end game, but I still very much enjoyed it.
Like many others I am shocked that so many people made it out alive. I actually put the box of tissues next to me on the sofa because I thought we were going to have a lot more deaths. I had more tears in the 2nd episode, but again, that one was more about the people and stories and not the fighting.
I'm interested to see where these supersized episodes take us since the "great war" is over. I really thought we'd get more out of the crypt scenes, specifically the dead rising. Though the Sansa/Tyrion scenes were excellent.
I also loved that Arya is who/what motivated the Hound back into action. It was a quietly sweet moment.
Does this put to rest the Bran is the Night King theory? I always kind of hated that.
Also, I wear a fitbit and by the end my heart rate was over 100 sitting on my sofa, watching this show...
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Idk how Dany will fight Cersei now with her army pretty much gone.
I knew the NK had to die or they would all die but I didn’t realize it would be Arya! You go arya! We’re gonna rewatch tmr when I’m not all stressed and anxious.
Episode 5 will be the one where more people has to die. I definitely thought there would be more death here but I’m ok with the survival.
Jon and Dany were so useless in battle lol. Yelling at an undead dragon, Jon?!
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@olivemomma - I'd be the same way, I'd love to hang out with Tormund and would be super upset if he's there to only hang out with DH!
I'm glad Bran is not the actual Night King, but I'm still super interested in seeing the explanation of their connection. And all of the memes/gifs related to Bran being so unaffected to being so close to someone who clearly has ZERO effs to give.
I, too, am concerned about them having ONLY major characters while they plan on marching down to Cersei. And only one dragon. I'm still very sad about that, though, I'm still pretty firmly in the not-Dany camp by now. I know it's her Targaryaen showing, but damn ... have a little flexibility. And appreciation. Though I was happy she was like "screw your plan, Jon" and went out there after her Dothraki followers were extinguished. I *really* would have liked to have followed the cloud/sky battle with the dragons, though, but it was so flippin' dark.
Again, I'd like some time to elapse so people can heal - maybe some alliances formed - AND we can call Cersei on her BS (or not) pregnancy ... that *if* it's real, she's gonna act like is Euron's to piss of Jaime. Oooooooh, and then Arya can continue as the newly-dubbed Kingslayer and remove the new coupling from the throne.
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I thought of Brienne and Jaime as having a more noble relationship rather than a physical one. I did not like them getting together, and then I especially didn't like Jaime running off. I think it's still possible he's going to kill Cersei but who knows.
I am not surprised that Rheagal and Missandei died this season although in true GOT fashion the writers surprised us in how those things happened.
Oh my gosh, and the tactical errors just keep stacking up. First, Dany has proven she cares very little for others except a select few - her troops and dragons clearly did need rest and also Dragonstone is very close to King's Landing, how did no one expect an ambush there? Second, if I'm Cersei, who, let's face it, isn't known for her honor, and I have Dany and her most important advisors and protectors within arrow/scorpian range, I just shoot them right there and then. Sure the dragon comes to attack you but you've just proven you can take a dragon out so why not go for it? So weird.
Next up the face off between two completely mad queens.
How will Varys attempt/arrange the take down of Dany? It seems certain to happen.
It felt like the goodbyes to Tormund, Sam, and Ghost were just thrown out there to tie up those story lines out of nowhere. JON DIDN'T EVEN SAY GOODBYE TO GHOST??? What is that??
Bronn and Jaime's character arcs were thrown out the window in a single episode (hoping for some kind of ulterior motive for Jaime's actions - like he wants to be the one to kill Cersei?)
Was so sad for Gendry, BUT Arya is and has always been who she is so I don't blame her for that one.
How did Dany and her dragons not see the iron fleet by dragon stone? They are in the sky and logically would be able to see a lot. And if Euron's ships were out of sight, how on earth could he have been so accurate with the scorpion? And to that same point, in the books it says nothing can penetrate dragon scales so I guess they just completely ignored that.
I hated how much happened off screen - Missandei's capture and Jon telling his sisters who he really is. We didn't get the chance to see how these characters reacted.
Finally, Euron is the most worthless character I can think of in this whole show. He is flat and one dimensional and has no purpose.
Will Theon's redemption story be the only one we get?
In general, the episode last night left me feeling like "what's the point of this show if everyone's characters are just going to be ruined by the final episodes?"
I'm not sure how I feel about Jamie and Brienne's relationship turning physical. I always thought of their relationship as built off mutual respect and admiration for each other. Brienne has shown that she can "love" someone knowing that a physical relationship is out of the question (Renly). Plus, doesn't sleeping with Jamie potentially go against her knight's vows?!?!
I bawled when Dany gave Gendry his lordship and Storm's End. Totally not a surprise that Arya turned down his marriage proposal, but still sad that they probably won't end up together. That being said, based on the preview from next week...(spoiler tag for those who don't watch the next episode preview)
i didn’t dislike the jaime and brienne scene as much (DH hated it). But I think it’s Obvious she has loved him for some time and I thought it was him importantly distancing himself From Cersei.
i do think he is going to end up killing her but I don’t think that’s his intention right now.
Im starting to get upset with the Daenerys character arc. I DOnt really care if she doesn’t end up on the thrown, but she has always (mostly) been a moral character and they seem intent on making her go over the edge. I mean home girl showed up in westeros with an unbeatable force and has given most of it up for Jon and the greater good and has received almost no credit for doing so. I’d be a little testy too. If they suddenly make her go against everything she has believed in all to raise a man to the thrown I’m going to be pissed. What does that say about women in power - we all go crazy eventually?! She better go out doing the right thing
Brienne/Jaime. I liked that they had a relationship built on mutual respect and love and I don't think it needed to progress to a physical one. I really hated him leaving and her reaction. My hope is like yours @zamora_spin he is going to to King's Landing to kill Cersei.
I agree, poor Ghost didn't even get a goodbye, just a glance...not cool Jon.
DH and I both laughed out loud when Gendry got down on one knee. He said he loves Arya, and I believe that he thinks he does, but he clearly does not know her at all. I am all for the Arya/Hound road trip part II, but I get the feeling we wont get to see that.
Sansa is not to be trusted with a secret, clearly. I am very curious to see what Varys does with this information. @zamora_spin he seemed to imply to Tyrion that if Dany will not get out of the way then he would have her killed. Also, I agree with you...I was thinking the same about Dany and the troops. Cersei could have just taken them out then and there and been done with it.
Poor Missandei she deserved better.
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@olivemomma I go back and forth on that question on Dany - is she diverging (conveniently and suddenly for the sake of the plot) from who she's been or simply falling back to her worst instincts when cornered? Certainly before season 7 I rooted for Dany. Realistically she's burned her enemies for her entire arc. Until recently the thing her enemies had in common was they were unlikable. For example when she exchanges a dragon for the unsullied and then says "A dragon is not a slave" and burns the despicable slave dealing dude alive, well, I didn't particularly like that dude and thought it was a smooth move at the time. But the more I think back on it - she made a deal and then went back on it and murdered someone. I am also not sure she's entirely selfless in setting people free. It was arguably the most expedient way to get what she wanted - she wants power and control, but also she wants to be adored and has an over-inflated sense of her own destiny (I'm sorry but in this world birth right doesn't mean a ton, every family who's been on the throne did so by force if you go far enough back). I totally agree she should get more credit for helping with the northern fight, at the same time she let her troops be the front line in a very stupid battle strategy sure to get them mostly killed.
@Lotus_2008 It would be a bad time for something bad to happen at Winterfell. You could be right (the signs are all there as you said) but they also have so little time idk how they'd work that plot in.
I get her point in deserving the throne and applaud all that she has done, but LBH, that was an unfair temper tantrum she threw and - that ice in her eyes - ouch. I can't agree with the Patriarchy, but them's the rules, sis. Also, question: if they WOULD have waited a little time and she DID end up preggo with Jon's baby AND it were a boy, would that one have a stronger claim to the throne? Just food for thought ...
I'm still not convinced the physical relationship needed to happen between Brienne and Jaime, and I'm pretty confused why it *ended* the way it did. If it was a one-time thing after the drinking game, sure. But it seems that it was recurrent and something was developing and ... he just skulked off to "kill" Cersei. We all know better. Like Tyrion said, he KNOWS Cersei is a monster, but loves/loved her anyway. Ain't gonna happen, ESPECIALLY when she's carrying his child. I'm still mad we didn't get Tormienne; I was realllllllllllllly holding out for that.
Arya is gonna take her out to complete the list, but I'm hoping it goes down a little differently: that she and the Hound reconcile-ish, she helps Hound take down Mountain and - while Hound dies while he does take down his brother - it somehow results in Arya being able to take down Cersei without her big ass zombie bodyguard.
I also feel this sneaking suspicion *something* is going to go down at Winterfell because err'body has left the building (well, the Wildlings will leave when the weather lifts a little). But, I'm also wondering since there aren't many episodes left: either it's going to be something massive & immediate or it's just going to kind of be ignored until Sansa makes an appearance somewhere at the end (bringing in some additional troops from loyal Northern lords) to save the day.
I think Jon's ... just up in the air right now, I have no expectations of him except to mess up at some point because he's torn between loyalties, even though we *know* Starks are bred to be overly loyal to family.
Not sure what Varys is gonna do, but I'm waiting for some serious drama with that one. I love him so much and I think he's absolutely right that neither of them appear to have the totality of people of The Realm in mind (Cersei - obviously, Dany - wanting to destroy the Masters/holder of chains). But that we - at least - kind of know what we have with Cersei (you know, since Jon refuses to acknowledge his birthright because of his love and loyalty to Dany - though I see that cracking with that cooooooold ultimatum from her).
I'm kind of disappointed with how Sam/Gilly story is ending (I don't think they'll reappear in the series), was really hoping all that protecting of Little Sam & Gilly and Sam being holed up with all those books would result in something more than a lineage reveal - I mean, he freakin' healed Jorah (RIP) - he's got potential. Was thinking maybe he could also manage to concoct some wildfire and help Arya send Cersei off in a rightful full-circle of fiery death.
I'm sure there's more, but I'm hungry and need to think back on it a little bit.
Me - anovulatory, non-Insulin PCOS, DH - low end of "normal" sperm count
IUI#1 - 02/15 - Cancelled due to scrubbed sperm count <1MM
IVF#1 - 08/15 - 13x5-day blastocysts (ranging from AA-BB, most are 5 or 6), not PGS, on ice
FET#1 - 10/15 - 1 emb - BFP (DD 07/16) (estrace + PIO sesame oil + prometrium)
FET#2 - 07/17 - 1 emb - BFN (estrace + PIO sesame oil + prometrium)
FET#3 - 08/17 - 1 emb - BFN (estrace + PIO sesame oil + prometrium)
FET#4 - 10/17 - 2 emb - BFN (changed to estrace + prometrium because of allergic reaction to PIO sesame oil)
ERA Testing - 12/17 - window moved (-1 day)
FET#5 - 03/18 - 2 emb - BFN (estrace + prometrium, ERA-timing used)
Karyotype Testing - 04/18 - Negative (we're ok)
FET#6 - 06/18 - 2 emb - BFN (estrace + prometrium, ERA-timing used)
FET#7 - 10/18 - 2 emb - BFN (estrace + prometrium, ERA-timing used)
FET#8 - 11/18 - 2 emb - BFP; looks like one baby is going to make it, DD is due 8/16 (though likely to be 8/9)
Arya and the Hound kill the Mountain. The Hound dies in this process.
Arya, Jamie, or Euron kill Cersei. All are "younger siblings" of their family and it fits the prophesy.
Euron dies early on OR flips sides at some point.
Drogon either has some sort of armor or there's another dragon flying with him.
Dany dies.
Jon walks away from the throne and goes North to live out his days as a creepy Targaryen (Aemon Targaryen like).
Tyrion is a Targaryen and will sit on the throne. He will give the north to Sansa to be Queen of the North.
Be prepared for these to be all wrong haha. We will know in what, 12 days?!?
Me - anovulatory, non-Insulin PCOS, DH - low end of "normal" sperm count
IUI#1 - 02/15 - Cancelled due to scrubbed sperm count <1MM
IVF#1 - 08/15 - 13x5-day blastocysts (ranging from AA-BB, most are 5 or 6), not PGS, on ice
FET#1 - 10/15 - 1 emb - BFP (DD 07/16) (estrace + PIO sesame oil + prometrium)
FET#2 - 07/17 - 1 emb - BFN (estrace + PIO sesame oil + prometrium)
FET#3 - 08/17 - 1 emb - BFN (estrace + PIO sesame oil + prometrium)
FET#4 - 10/17 - 2 emb - BFN (changed to estrace + prometrium because of allergic reaction to PIO sesame oil)
ERA Testing - 12/17 - window moved (-1 day)
FET#5 - 03/18 - 2 emb - BFN (estrace + prometrium, ERA-timing used)
Karyotype Testing - 04/18 - Negative (we're ok)
FET#6 - 06/18 - 2 emb - BFN (estrace + prometrium, ERA-timing used)
FET#7 - 10/18 - 2 emb - BFN (estrace + prometrium, ERA-timing used)
FET#8 - 11/18 - 2 emb - BFP; looks like one baby is going to make it, DD is due 8/16 (though likely to be 8/9)
@kminacap Hadn't thought about how we didn't get to see their reactions. Good observation!
@Lotus_2008 What do you mean goes against her knight vows?
My other thoughts about the episode: I did not like the queen stand off and feel it was a waste of precious GOT episode time. It doesn't make sense to go to Cersei after everyone has learned that she can never be reasoned with. I guess my saying Daenerys is short sighted when she is in her power hungry mode matches this. But Tyrion? For crying out loud. That whole exchange was disappointing. She has never cared about her children or anyone else. It has always been about herself and the iron throne.
The direction they've taken Sansa's character to is fantastic. She has really come into her own. I loved the exchange between her and The Hound. For Arya, I'm not surprised she refused his marriage proposal. It stays in line with her "I am noone" persona as well as her lack of desire to be arm candy for a lord.
Imo, house Stark has sacrificed and lost the most in the entire show, and so deserves the iron throne.
@MamaK225 I agree with you about Jaime not killing Cersei unless in his mind, he thinks that would be the only way to make up for his screw ups--for lack of a better word.
My 7 Year Journey ***Tw in spoiler***
IVF #1 - September 2018; Follistim, Menopur, Cetrotide & Lupron/HCG combo trigger; PGS; ICSI
Back on Levothyroxine
FET #1 - October 2018; cancelled, all PGS aneuploid
FET #1 - November 30th, transferred anyway
Wondfo BFP 5dp5dt, CB Digi 6dpt,
1st Beta on 7dpt 93
2nd Beta on 10dpt 510!
TTC #1 since 2011. Tried for 5 years before we knew there was a one year rule.
Diag w/MS 2016; w/PCOS & IF 2017
New RE 2018; PCOS diagnosis taken away, IF due to ovary adhesions, but prev. RE insists PCOS IF
IUI
IUI #1 July 2017 w/100mg Clo+trigger; BFN; benched w/big cysts
IUI #2 October 2017 w/50mg Clo+trigger; BFN; benched w/big cysts
IUI #3 February 2018 w/5mg Femara+trigger; low P
BFP February; mc March; Subclinical hypothyroid started Levothyroxine
IUI #4 March 2018 w/7.5mg Femara+trigger; BFN
Medicated cycle & TI April 2018 w/7.5mg Femara+trigger; BFN
Tried several cycles on our own; all BFN
TTC#1 10/2016
TTC/IF:included medicated cycles, IUIs and 2 rounds of IVF with 1 embryo each.
BFP finally in 12/2018
TTC#2 06/2021
planning FET
"Some days are diamonds, some days are rocks,
some doors are open, some roads are blocked"
Did anyone else find Daenerys explanation about how she couldn’t love Jorah, weird? We did because she probably wouldn’t be able to love anyone the way she loved her Khal Drogo, not even Jon. It just seems strange that she brought it up in almost a regrettable way or what was the point of even saying that to Jon?
My 7 Year Journey ***Tw in spoiler***
IVF #1 - September 2018; Follistim, Menopur, Cetrotide & Lupron/HCG combo trigger; PGS; ICSI
Back on Levothyroxine
FET #1 - October 2018; cancelled, all PGS aneuploid
FET #1 - November 30th, transferred anyway
Wondfo BFP 5dp5dt, CB Digi 6dpt,
1st Beta on 7dpt 93
2nd Beta on 10dpt 510!
TTC #1 since 2011. Tried for 5 years before we knew there was a one year rule.
Diag w/MS 2016; w/PCOS & IF 2017
New RE 2018; PCOS diagnosis taken away, IF due to ovary adhesions, but prev. RE insists PCOS IF
IUI
IUI #1 July 2017 w/100mg Clo+trigger; BFN; benched w/big cysts
IUI #2 October 2017 w/50mg Clo+trigger; BFN; benched w/big cysts
IUI #3 February 2018 w/5mg Femara+trigger; low P
BFP February; mc March; Subclinical hypothyroid started Levothyroxine
IUI #4 March 2018 w/7.5mg Femara+trigger; BFN
Medicated cycle & TI April 2018 w/7.5mg Femara+trigger; BFN
Tried several cycles on our own; all BFN
In fact, I'm finding so many things in this season unnecessarily awkward. Like how all these women are portrayed; we've had all this character development and these intricate plots and ... Dany & Cersei are just gonna throw temper tantrums instead of methodical, logical attacks? We all know Cersei is batshit, but she didn't get there through stomping her feet - there was manipulations and cunning and alliances and ... and we're just gonna be ok with her hosting a pissing match up at the top of the Red Keep? And all these off-screen things and confusion about WTF is even going on. From my previous entry a few weeks ago, I had no clue who was alive or dead from scene to scene because it was all like "well, Brienne's dead" or "there goes Hound" and then they'd pop back up in the next scene, then the reveal with Bran and the Starks, etc. And Brienne+Jaime, can't even begin with that. The Gendry proposal ... why oh why was that even a thing? Maybe an option after she goes to KL and takes that final name off her list and survives, but approaching her like a love-crazed fanboy after 1 roll-in-the-hay followed by a terrifying "War" with the undead? And to use the word "Lady" when we all cringed a little inside as soon as it was said. We all know he knows better/otherwise. Maybe I'm just bitter that I can't ship Torienne anymore ... I just feel we're getting a sloppy wrap-up to a series that 30 million+ of us have been following for years and I just want/expect more. Ok, rant over
Fun fact: friend of mine shared info about Greyworm's musical career. Here's a taste ... enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRg-ipjX-vU
Me - anovulatory, non-Insulin PCOS, DH - low end of "normal" sperm count
IUI#1 - 02/15 - Cancelled due to scrubbed sperm count <1MM
IVF#1 - 08/15 - 13x5-day blastocysts (ranging from AA-BB, most are 5 or 6), not PGS, on ice
FET#1 - 10/15 - 1 emb - BFP (DD 07/16) (estrace + PIO sesame oil + prometrium)
FET#2 - 07/17 - 1 emb - BFN (estrace + PIO sesame oil + prometrium)
FET#3 - 08/17 - 1 emb - BFN (estrace + PIO sesame oil + prometrium)
FET#4 - 10/17 - 2 emb - BFN (changed to estrace + prometrium because of allergic reaction to PIO sesame oil)
ERA Testing - 12/17 - window moved (-1 day)
FET#5 - 03/18 - 2 emb - BFN (estrace + prometrium, ERA-timing used)
Karyotype Testing - 04/18 - Negative (we're ok)
FET#6 - 06/18 - 2 emb - BFN (estrace + prometrium, ERA-timing used)
FET#7 - 10/18 - 2 emb - BFN (estrace + prometrium, ERA-timing used)
FET#8 - 11/18 - 2 emb - BFP; looks like one baby is going to make it, DD is due 8/16 (though likely to be 8/9)
For me, it’s extremely anticlimactic to go from all of the alliances who defeated the dead in one evening after building that shit up for seven seasons with “Winter is coming!” by one stab wound that suddenly made all of them die like the same bloodline of vampires
:le breathe:
to a war with Cersei who we haven’t really seen for awhile and has an alliance with the old geezers of Kings landing, her big scary guard, and her new lay—Euron Greyjoy. Really, are we supposed to be afraid of them? The thought of this impending ‘battle’ bores me.
But as a side note, has anyone ever been satisfied with a series wrap up?
My 7 Year Journey ***Tw in spoiler***
IVF #1 - September 2018; Follistim, Menopur, Cetrotide & Lupron/HCG combo trigger; PGS; ICSI
Back on Levothyroxine
FET #1 - October 2018; cancelled, all PGS aneuploid
FET #1 - November 30th, transferred anyway
Wondfo BFP 5dp5dt, CB Digi 6dpt,
1st Beta on 7dpt 93
2nd Beta on 10dpt 510!
TTC #1 since 2011. Tried for 5 years before we knew there was a one year rule.
Diag w/MS 2016; w/PCOS & IF 2017
New RE 2018; PCOS diagnosis taken away, IF due to ovary adhesions, but prev. RE insists PCOS IF
IUI
IUI #1 July 2017 w/100mg Clo+trigger; BFN; benched w/big cysts
IUI #2 October 2017 w/50mg Clo+trigger; BFN; benched w/big cysts
IUI #3 February 2018 w/5mg Femara+trigger; low P
BFP February; mc March; Subclinical hypothyroid started Levothyroxine
IUI #4 March 2018 w/7.5mg Femara+trigger; BFN
Medicated cycle & TI April 2018 w/7.5mg Femara+trigger; BFN
Tried several cycles on our own; all BFN
I think I have the same complaint I did last week - Daenerys had basically been built up this entire show to be a heroin - yes she has definitely had some eyebrow raising moments where some Targaryen has come out, not denying that - but in general I think she had been portrayed as the antithesis of her Father and Brother, as someone who tries to take the moral high ground, as someone who truly wants to do good by the people she hopes to rule without being a pushover. This has been her character more or less through the third episode of this very season when she marched North at great personal cost and sacrifice to do the right thing for the realm. And then she gets beat down again and again and goes all Mad Queen over the course of 2 episodes. She’s been down before and has always pulled through in pretty spectacular fashion, usually earning loyalty and respect in mass as she lifts herself up. It’s not that I need her to end up on the throne, actually I think that would have been way too simple and expected of an ending, but I think her turn was too fast and drastic for me to appreciate and believe. I don’t think until possibly the episode prior to this one that anyone would have expected her to burn the city to the ground and literally be the cause of becoming the “Queen of the Ashes” she had been fighting against. Too much too fast.
It seems next week is gearing up to be a Stark/Tyrion/Jon against her where I’m guessing the entire story line culminates with a ‘Bastard to King’ ending and that no one who actually has wanted the throne throughout the entire show can claim it as the rightful ruler. That’s assuming there is an actual iron throne at the end which I’m not convinced of. I think Arya will take her out - there has been too much mention this season of the Starks “protecting the family” so I’m guessing Daenerys will try to go after Sansa when she refuses to bend the knee (throwback to the Tarlys) which will be the final nail in the coffin for the other 3 still in Kings Landing to team up to take her down. Tricky proposition with a dragon still in play but maybe Jon will have some Targaryen influence there?
so what does everyone think? Will there be a winner to the game of thrones? Who will it be? I can’t believe there is only 1 left.
No one wins here - we all lose because the characters went no where.
I am super disappointed in Dany. I wanted her to just blow Cersei out of that window and leave it at that but noooo. Jaime is an idiot, and Cerseis death was also lacking. I honestly don't believe they are dead because there was no confirmation. How can we have one episode left??? What was with the Schindlers List "girl in red" rerun with the girl and her toy pony?
My 7 Year Journey ***Tw in spoiler***
IVF #1 - September 2018; Follistim, Menopur, Cetrotide & Lupron/HCG combo trigger; PGS; ICSI
Back on Levothyroxine
FET #1 - October 2018; cancelled, all PGS aneuploid
FET #1 - November 30th, transferred anyway
Wondfo BFP 5dp5dt, CB Digi 6dpt,
1st Beta on 7dpt 93
2nd Beta on 10dpt 510!
TTC #1 since 2011. Tried for 5 years before we knew there was a one year rule.
Diag w/MS 2016; w/PCOS & IF 2017
New RE 2018; PCOS diagnosis taken away, IF due to ovary adhesions, but prev. RE insists PCOS IF
IUI
IUI #1 July 2017 w/100mg Clo+trigger; BFN; benched w/big cysts
IUI #2 October 2017 w/50mg Clo+trigger; BFN; benched w/big cysts
IUI #3 February 2018 w/5mg Femara+trigger; low P
BFP February; mc March; Subclinical hypothyroid started Levothyroxine
IUI #4 March 2018 w/7.5mg Femara+trigger; BFN
Medicated cycle & TI April 2018 w/7.5mg Femara+trigger; BFN
Tried several cycles on our own; all BFN
Yes they have talked about the Targaryen family being violent with a good amount of crazy thrown in there, but I feel she was also meant to be portrayed as the opposite of that. And her moments where she did portray violence were most always against enemies and for the sake of helping those who could not help themselves. She took counsel and applied it in her rule from various advisors, time and again showed restraint at the head of a powerful army, gained admiration and love from her followers, etc. Never once leading up to this season did I hear anyone predict she was going to go rogue mad queen and kill thousands upon thousands of innocent people - it wasn’t who she was! I don’t know maybe it’s hindsight is 20/20 and my vision is still foggy but I just don’t see this character arc fitting with who they have pushed her to be for 95% of the series. Would love someone clarity
I think my other big hangup on this whole issue is if she would have been a male character we would not be judging her past actions so harshly - even the noblest of male characters in this show (looking at you Jon Snow) have had their moments.
Pretty sure I just need to move on and focus on better moments like the brother Clegaine face off