It just makes me scared to take my child anywhere until he will be vaccinated against everything. It pisses me off that their decisions affect all of us.
First BFP 12/2012, MMC at 9 weeks
Second BFP 6/2013, resulted in DS, born 2/23/14 :-)
Third BFP 5/2015, natural MC at 6 weeks
Fourth BFP 8/2015, hoping for sticky little brother or sister to H!
Proud SAHM to our little monkey H.
Pro Vax, extended breasftfeeder, ring sling and stroller loving mama. I don't judge you unless you don't vaccinate!
I'm a bit worried about breastfeeding but I'm TERRIFIED about giving birth! It sounds so scary!
This is what my mom told me that someone told her. Every single person you ever meet has been born. A woman gave birth to them. It will all be okay.
And epidurals are your BFF.
Giving birth is amazing. Seriously I felt the same way, but it was the best thing I've ever done. Loved it so much that I was actually jealous when my still-pregnant friends went into labor.
Are you feeling ok?
Maybe this is her way of pranking us; making us really excited about giving birth, and the BAM! RING OF FIRE!!
Perhaps this should be an uo: I absolutely love giving birth, and I do it unmedicated. Is it hard work? Hells yes. Does it hurt? You bet! The ring of fire is real. Butbutbut!! Doing it naturally triggers an endorphin release like nothing else you will ever experience, and I wouldn't miss that for the world. I'm so glad that when I was having my first, my fear of a needle to the spine was greater than my fear of the pain!
I'm a bit worried about breastfeeding but I'm TERRIFIED about giving birth! It sounds so scary!
This is what my mom told me that someone told her. Every single person you ever meet has been born. A woman gave birth to them. It will all be okay.
And epidurals are your BFF.
Giving birth is amazing. Seriously I felt the same way, but it was the best thing I've ever done. Loved it so much that I was actually jealous when my still-pregnant friends went into labor.
Are you feeling ok?
Maybe this is her way of pranking us; making us really excited about giving birth, and the BAM! RING OF FIRE!!
Perhaps this should be an uo: I absolutely love giving birth, and I do it unmedicated. Is it hard work? Hells yes. Does it hurt? You bet! The ring of fire is real. Butbutbut!! Doing it naturally triggers an endorphin release like nothing else you will ever experience, and I wouldn't miss that for the world. I'm so glad that when I was having my first, my fear of a needle to the spine was greater than my fear of the pain!
I'll easily skip the endorphins and then get it from running, sex or chocolate. LOL. GIVE ME ALL THE DRUGS!!!!
I'm a bit worried about breastfeeding but I'm TERRIFIED about giving birth! It sounds so scary!
This is what my mom told me that someone told her. Every single person you ever meet has been born. A woman gave birth to them. It will all be okay.
And epidurals are your BFF.
Giving birth is amazing. Seriously I felt the same way, but it was the best thing I've ever done. Loved it so much that I was actually jealous when my still-pregnant friends went into labor.
Are you feeling ok?
Maybe this is her way of pranking us; making us really excited about giving birth, and the BAM! RING OF FIRE!!
Perhaps this should be an uo: I absolutely love giving birth, and I do it unmedicated. Is it hard work? Hells yes. Does it hurt? You bet! The ring of fire is real. Butbutbut!! Doing it naturally triggers an endorphin release like nothing else you will ever experience, and I wouldn't miss that for the world. I'm so glad that when I was having my first, my fear of a needle to the spine was greater than my fear of the pain!
I'm so terrified of needles I actually had a secret plan to just not go to the hospital and go through birth myself. The wonderful ladies on this board have given me enough insight to understand how selfish that way of thinking is. When the time comes I'll do what I need to do for the LO, but I'm not planning on using an epidural. (Or an IV, unless it actually becomes necessary, and I'm well aware that means I might end up with a needle in my neck in a worse case scenario) Your post makes me feel more confident in my decision to not go through with that.
@NachosAndPeaches I am in a vaccine war with my dad and I also just can't anymore. He's refusing to get the flu shot, and Im ready to flip my sh!t. Not only is he going to be around a newborn (or so he thinks), but he is also going to be around my 90 year old grandparents this holiday, both of whom will also not be vaccinated due to his brainwashing. THEN when I call him out on it, he responds by passive aggressively sending a *group text* to: me, my husband, my sister and my mom saying how wonderful my sister is. What the... Who does that?! Is he 12?! Currently planning my next move. Suggestions welcome.
Also unrelated but related, if anyone needs a good retort for anti-Muslim rhetoric you can always just point out that according to the US National Counter Terrorisn Center, Muslims actually account for 97% of terror related fatalities.
I'm in a vaccine discussion on a local mom board. Not debate because keeping it civil on all sides. It's a mostly natural mom group with a a lot of anti vaxxers and the OP said that at first they were gonna do modified schedule and she was okay with no vaccines, but husband sister is a nurse and convinced him, does anybody have any non biased research. Of course idiots are posting the most biased anti vax bullshit I've ever seen, but I know my "job" isn't to convince them. Just the lady on the fence. So I've been super civil and giving her a lot of science based information. A lot of women also cited dr Sears book as non biased and I gave some links and information on why it is fear mongering and misleading. I gave the example with aluminum in vaccines, the purpose it serves (it's an adjuvant so it actually reduces the doses of the vaccine you need), and the fda's stance on how much aluminum is safe based on the agency for toxic substances and disease registry. Then an idiot lady wrote "not sure I trust the agencies listed, and honestly I don't feel there is a "safe" amount of aluminum to be ingested". Like are you fucking kidding me? I just can't argue with dumb. Let's ignore the highest authority on this issue and just say out of our asses that no amount is safe, when we know it is. I just can't with these people.
Try being related to a household of vegans... If it makes you feel any better, you post about vaccinations, and the schedule they follow influenced my opinions about it. Also I still won't get the flu shot, but I will give it to my child when the time comes. As long as LO doesn't have the same immune system issues from it I did, they need that!
@NachosAndPeaches I am in a vaccine war with my dad and I also just can't anymore. He's refusing to get the flu shot, and Im ready to flip my sh!t. Not only is he going to be around a newborn (or so he thinks), but he is also going to be around my 90 year old grandparents this holiday, both of whom will also not be vaccinated due to his brainwashing. THEN when I call him out on it, he responds by passive aggressively sending a *group text* to: me, my husband, my sister and my mom saying how wonderful my sister is. What the... Who does that?! Is he 12?! Currently planning my next move. Suggestions welcome.
Also unrelated but related, if anyone needs a good retort for anti-Muslim rhetoric you can always just point out that according to the US National Counter Terrorisn Center, Muslims actually account for 97% of terror related fatalities.
/endrant
For your next move, you can tell him that the incidence of flu and incidence of heart attacks go hand in hand. The flu virus has nothing to do with the physiology of myocardial infarction, BUT contracting the flu puts a lot more stress in the body, increases the demand imposed upon the heart, and if the coronary arteries already have some blockages (even if previously asymptomatic), BAM, heart attack.
He may not be concerned about catching the flu, but I bet he would be concerned about having a heart attack. The heart is the most amazing organ anyways and we must protect it (hehehehe Cardiologist rave).
I'm in a vaccine discussion on a local mom board. Not debate because keeping it civil on all sides. It's a mostly natural mom group with a a lot of anti vaxxers and the OP said that at first they were gonna do modified schedule and she was okay with no vaccines, but husband sister is a nurse and convinced him, does anybody have any non biased research. Of course idiots are posting the most biased anti vax bullshit I've ever seen, but I know my "job" isn't to convince them. Just the lady on the fence. So I've been super civil and giving her a lot of science based information. A lot of women also cited dr Sears book as non biased and I gave some links and information on why it is fear mongering and misleading. I gave the example with aluminum in vaccines, the purpose it serves (it's an adjuvant so it actually reduces the doses of the vaccine you need), and the fda's stance on how much aluminum is safe based on the agency for toxic substances and disease registry. Then an idiot lady wrote "not sure I trust the agencies listed, and honestly I don't feel there is a "safe" amount of aluminum to be ingested". Like are you fucking kidding me? I just can't argue with dumb. Let's ignore the highest authority on this issue and just say out of our asses that no amount is safe, when we know it is. I just can't with these people.
Try being related to a household of vegans... If it makes you feel any better, you post about vaccinations, and the schedule they follow influenced my opinions about it. Also I still won't get the flu shot, but I will give it to my child when the time comes. As long as LO doesn't have the same immune system issues from it I did, they need that!
Lol vegans! Hahahah. I don't mind vegans! As long as they're not trying to tell me what to eat, and their choices don't affect us.
Thank you for that feedback. That is so so nice to hear! Also I LOLd at your secret birth plan. I promise that when you're in labor, if you DO need interventions you won't even be worried about needles, your mama bear will take over and you will be just fine.
First BFP 12/2012, MMC at 9 weeks
Second BFP 6/2013, resulted in DS, born 2/23/14 :-)
Third BFP 5/2015, natural MC at 6 weeks
Fourth BFP 8/2015, hoping for sticky little brother or sister to H!
Proud SAHM to our little monkey H.
Pro Vax, extended breasftfeeder, ring sling and stroller loving mama. I don't judge you unless you don't vaccinate!
@NachosAndPeaches I am in a vaccine war with my dad and I also just can't anymore. He's refusing to get the flu shot, and Im ready to flip my sh!t. Not only is he going to be around a newborn (or so he thinks), but he is also going to be around my 90 year old grandparents this holiday, both of whom will also not be vaccinated due to his brainwashing. THEN when I call him out on it, he responds by passive aggressively sending a *group text* to: me, my husband, my sister and my mom saying how wonderful my sister is. What the... Who does that?! Is he 12?! Currently planning my next move. Suggestions welcome.
Also unrelated but related, if anyone needs a good retort for anti-Muslim rhetoric you can always just point out that according to the US National Counter Terrorisn Center, Muslims actually account for 97% of terror related fatalities.
/endrant
For your next move, you can tell him that the incidence of flu and incidence of heart attacks go hand in hand. The flu virus has nothing to do with the physiology of myocardial infarction, BUT contracting the flu puts a lot more stress in the body, increases the demand imposed upon the heart, and if the coronary arteries already have some blockages (even if previously asymptomatic), BAM, heart attack.
He may not be concerned about catching the flu, but I bet he would be concerned about having a heart attack. The heart is the most amazing organ anyways and we must protect it (hehehehe Cardiologist rave).
@DougalMcG why is he against flu vaccines? We can help you find information to debunk anything he's claiming is bad about them.
First BFP 12/2012, MMC at 9 weeks
Second BFP 6/2013, resulted in DS, born 2/23/14 :-)
Third BFP 5/2015, natural MC at 6 weeks
Fourth BFP 8/2015, hoping for sticky little brother or sister to H!
Proud SAHM to our little monkey H.
Pro Vax, extended breasftfeeder, ring sling and stroller loving mama. I don't judge you unless you don't vaccinate!
I'm in a vaccine discussion on a local mom board. Not debate because keeping it civil on all sides. It's a mostly natural mom group with a a lot of anti vaxxers and the OP said that at first they were gonna do modified schedule and she was okay with no vaccines, but husband sister is a nurse and convinced him, does anybody have any non biased research. Of course idiots are posting the most biased anti vax bullshit I've ever seen, but I know my "job" isn't to convince them. Just the lady on the fence. So I've been super civil and giving her a lot of science based information. A lot of women also cited dr Sears book as non biased and I gave some links and information on why it is fear mongering and misleading. I gave the example with aluminum in vaccines, the purpose it serves (it's an adjuvant so it actually reduces the doses of the vaccine you need), and the fda's stance on how much aluminum is safe based on the agency for toxic substances and disease registry. Then an idiot lady wrote "not sure I trust the agencies listed, and honestly I don't feel there is a "safe" amount of aluminum to be ingested". Like are you fucking kidding me? I just can't argue with dumb. Let's ignore the highest authority on this issue and just say out of our asses that no amount is safe, when we know it is. I just can't with these people.
Try being related to a household of vegans... If it makes you feel any better, you post about vaccinations, and the schedule they follow influenced my opinions about it. Also I still won't get the flu shot, but I will give it to my child when the time comes. As long as LO doesn't have the same immune system issues from it I did, they need that!
Hahaha OMG I cannot love that enough. I grew up in a family that butchers all of our own meat, so when people comment of how all meat is from factory farms or how poorly animals are treated, I laugh in their faces. Also, I heard a great comparison for "factory farms:" being from the country, I don't understand how people live in cities. They're packed in like sardines in a can. People who live in cities generally don't feel like their lives are negatively affected by their residence, so why would a steer be negatively affected by living in the same feed lot as lots of other steers? I don't care if someone chooses to be vegan or vegetarian, but don't act as if you know ANYTHING about farming or farmers when you have literally never set foot on a farm.
I have also convinced myself now that the worst part will be the contractions/labor and that when the time comes my body will know what to do, I'll shut my mind off and let my body take control. So I'm no longer scared of giving birth and I (almost) look forward to it.
In my whole life I had never heard of people who would willingly chose to not vaccinate their children, until I started noticing it as a topic in various American TV-shows and movies. I thought it was a pretty obvious choice. Humans will never seize to amaze me with their stupidity.
I'm so terrified of needles I actually had a secret plan to just not go to the hospital and go through birth myself. The wonderful ladies on this board have given me enough insight to understand how selfish that way of thinking is. When the time comes I'll do what I need to do for the LO, but I'm not planning on using an epidural. (Or an IV, unless it actually becomes necessary, and I'm well aware that means I might end up with a needle in my neck in a worse case scenario) Your post makes me feel more confident in my decision to not go through with that.
In a normal pregnancy (no diabetes, hypertension, pre-eclampsia, etc), giving birth at home with a qualified attendant can be as safe as a hospital for your baby, and safER for you. It's not selfish at all, although the statistics on unattended birth are quite a bit different than when there is a qualified attendant. PM me if you want more info.
Hospitals are great for those who need or want them (for real), but for those who don't, home or birth center births can be an amazing option.
I'm so terrified of needles I actually had a secret plan to just not go to the hospital and go through birth myself. The wonderful ladies on this board have given me enough insight to understand how selfish that way of thinking is. When the time comes I'll do what I need to do for the LO, but I'm not planning on using an epidural. (Or an IV, unless it actually becomes necessary, and I'm well aware that means I might end up with a needle in my neck in a worse case scenario) Your post makes me feel more confident in my decision to not go through with that.
In a normal pregnancy (no diabetes, hypertension, pre-eclampsia, etc), giving birth at home with a qualified attendant can be as safe as a hospital for your baby, and safER for you. It's not selfish at all, although the statistics on unattended birth are quite a bit different than when there is a qualified attendant. PM me if you want more info.
Hospitals are great for those who need or want them (for real), but for those who don't, home or birth center births can be an amazing option.
I just want to add: before deciding on a home birth one should check with their state's laws. In some states a medical professional is not legally able to attend a home birth. (I dont know if this would apply to a doula, but it does apply to midwives)
I'm so terrified of needles I actually had a secret plan to just not go to the hospital and go through birth myself. The wonderful ladies on this board have given me enough insight to understand how selfish that way of thinking is. When the time comes I'll do what I need to do for the LO, but I'm not planning on using an epidural. (Or an IV, unless it actually becomes necessary, and I'm well aware that means I might end up with a needle in my neck in a worse case scenario) Your post makes me feel more confident in my decision to not go through with that.
In a normal pregnancy (no diabetes, hypertension, pre-eclampsia, etc), giving birth at home with a qualified attendant can be as safe as a hospital for your baby, and safER for you. It's not selfish at all, although the statistics on unattended birth are quite a bit different than when there is a qualified attendant. PM me if you want more info.
Hospitals are great for those who need or want them (for real), but for those who don't, home or birth center births can be an amazing option.
We looked into a birth center or home birth but with Medicaid the options are limited, and after the midwives saw I had a previous diagnosis of depression they stopped receiving me. (I found out I wasn't considered high risk, they just couldn't prescribe medication if it flared up, so they wanted me to see an OB/Physician) My OB is the one my mom used with four of my siblings, and she had natural births in the hospital with him. If we decide to have another child after this, I still want to look into doing a home birth. There's no way in the seven layers of Hell my fiancé would be OK with an unattended home birth though! We live forty minutes away from the hospital which is too far outside of his comfort zone. If we were within fifteen minutes, he wouldn't be as freaked out by it.
I'm in a vaccine discussion on a local mom board. Not debate because keeping it civil on all sides. It's a mostly natural mom group with a a lot of anti vaxxers and the OP said that at first they were gonna do modified schedule and she was okay with no vaccines, but husband sister is a nurse and convinced him, does anybody have any non biased research. Of course idiots are posting the most biased anti vax bullshit I've ever seen, but I know my "job" isn't to convince them. Just the lady on the fence. So I've been super civil and giving her a lot of science based information. A lot of women also cited dr Sears book as non biased and I gave some links and information on why it is fear mongering and misleading. I gave the example with aluminum in vaccines, the purpose it serves (it's an adjuvant so it actually reduces the doses of the vaccine you need), and the fda's stance on how much aluminum is safe based on the agency for toxic substances and disease registry. Then an idiot lady wrote "not sure I trust the agencies listed, and honestly I don't feel there is a "safe" amount of aluminum to be ingested". Like are you fucking kidding me? I just can't argue with dumb. Let's ignore the highest authority on this issue and just say out of our asses that no amount is safe, when we know it is. I just can't with these people.
Try being related to a household of vegans... If it makes you feel any better, you post about vaccinations, and the schedule they follow influenced my opinions about it. Also I still won't get the flu shot, but I will give it to my child when the time comes. As long as LO doesn't have the same immune system issues from it I did, they need that!
Hahaha OMG I cannot love that enough. I grew up in a family that butchers all of our own meat, so when people comment of how all meat is from factory farms or how poorly animals are treated, I laugh in their faces. Also, I heard a great comparison for "factory farms:" being from the country, I don't understand how people live in cities. They're packed in like sardines in a can. People who live in cities generally don't feel like their lives are negatively affected by their residence, so why would a steer be negatively affected by living in the same feed lot as lots of other steers? I don't care if someone chooses to be vegan or vegetarian, but don't act as if you know ANYTHING about farming or farmers when you have literally never set foot on a farm.
My mom likes to send me links all the time saying me eating meat and dairy is poisoning her grandchild. I usually buy locally sourced meats and dairy, but it is usually two-three times more expensive! I was a vegetarian for a while, and I usually don't have an issue with vegans, but I know too many who are militant and religiously insistant on imposing their lifestyle choice.
BTW @NachosAndPeaches the reason I brought that up, is most vegans I know are extremely anti vax. They are against the flu shot as well because they are created using chicken embryos. (Flu mist is not in case anyone was wondering)
I'm in a vaccine discussion on a local mom board. Not debate because keeping it civil on all sides. It's a mostly natural mom group with a a lot of anti vaxxers and the OP said that at first they were gonna do modified schedule and she was okay with no vaccines, but husband sister is a nurse and convinced him, does anybody have any non biased research. Of course idiots are posting the most biased anti vax bullshit I've ever seen, but I know my "job" isn't to convince them. Just the lady on the fence. So I've been super civil and giving her a lot of science based information. A lot of women also cited dr Sears book as non biased and I gave some links and information on why it is fear mongering and misleading. I gave the example with aluminum in vaccines, the purpose it serves (it's an adjuvant so it actually reduces the doses of the vaccine you need), and the fda's stance on how much aluminum is safe based on the agency for toxic substances and disease registry. Then an idiot lady wrote "not sure I trust the agencies listed, and honestly I don't feel there is a "safe" amount of aluminum to be ingested". Like are you fucking kidding me? I just can't argue with dumb. Let's ignore the highest authority on this issue and just say out of our asses that no amount is safe, when we know it is. I just can't with these people.
Try being related to a household of vegans... If it makes you feel any better, you post about vaccinations, and the schedule they follow influenced my opinions about it. Also I still won't get the flu shot, but I will give it to my child when the time comes. As long as LO doesn't have the same immune system issues from it I did, they need that!
Hahaha OMG I cannot love that enough. I grew up in a family that butchers all of our own meat, so when people comment of how all meat is from factory farms or how poorly animals are treated, I laugh in their faces. Also, I heard a great comparison for "factory farms:" being from the country, I don't understand how people live in cities. They're packed in like sardines in a can. People who live in cities generally don't feel like their lives are negatively affected by their residence, so why would a steer be negatively affected by living in the same feed lot as lots of other steers? I don't care if someone chooses to be vegan or vegetarian, but don't act as if you know ANYTHING about farming or farmers when you have literally never set foot on a farm.
Well I hate cities and I do feel bad for animals. I don't get what is so hilarious about having sympathy for living creatures that die to provide nourishment for humans.
@RoseShadow873 I think her point was that animals are not necessarily suffering if they're not free roaming. A lot of times we project our own feelings about something onto others. For example DH would always say that DS looked uncomfortable rear facing once his legs got long and I was like, well does he look uncomfortable? Is he complaining, is he resisting, is he getting marks from it? Nope. Same concept with animals. I am not really educated at all about farms but my gut tells me if animals were unhappy it would affect productivity of the farm, which is no good for farmers.
First BFP 12/2012, MMC at 9 weeks
Second BFP 6/2013, resulted in DS, born 2/23/14 :-)
Third BFP 5/2015, natural MC at 6 weeks
Fourth BFP 8/2015, hoping for sticky little brother or sister to H!
Proud SAHM to our little monkey H.
Pro Vax, extended breasftfeeder, ring sling and stroller loving mama. I don't judge you unless you don't vaccinate!
@RoseShadow873 I am a huge animal lover; however, when people who have never been on a farm to see the way they are raised tell me that all farmers (I.E., my whole family) are terrible, abusive people, I laugh at them becaus they are ignorant and have no desire to change that. I don't go to zoos, because I feel that wild animals shouldn't be caged up the way the are. The majority of farms, especially where I'm from, have plenty or room for cattle to graze to their hearts content.
People also cry abuse because sows are put in pens that prevent them from lying down or moving around after they have piglets; these pens are specifically designed for these purposes because sows are assholes. They will step on, crush, and eat and piglet they can get ahold of. The pens used allow piglets to nurse while not endangering their lives.
It's hilarious to me, a born and raised farm girl, because for thousands of years sustenance has been the purpose of animals. I don't care if others choose not to obtain their protein in the same way I do - I care only when they spread their ignorance. If you want to chew tree bark, go for it. But don't attack an entire profession that you have no experience with, especially when that profession is already underpaid and unappreciated.
@RoseShadow873 I am a huge animal lover; however, when people who have never been on a farm to see the way they are raised tell me that all farmers (I.E., my whole family) are terrible, abusive people, I laugh at them becaus they are ignorant and have no desire to change that. I don't go to zoos, because I feel that wild animals shouldn't be caged up the way the are. The majority of farms, especially where I'm from, have plenty or room for cattle to graze to their hearts content.
People also cry abuse because sows are put in pens that prevent them from lying down or moving around after they have piglets; these pens are specifically designed for these purposes because sows are assholes. They will step on, crush, and eat and piglet they can get ahold of. The pens used allow piglets to nurse while not endangering their lives.
It's hilarious to me, a born and raised farm girl, because for thousands of years sustenance has been the purpose of animals. I don't care if others choose not to obtain their protein in the same way I do - I care only when they spread their ignorance. If you want to chew tree bark, go for it. But don't attack an entire profession that you have no experience with, especially when that profession is already underpaid and unappreciated.
My husband is from a cattle ranch like that but I thought there are other places that really do suck and the cows get fed corn instead of grass.
@RoseShadow873 I am a huge animal lover; however, when people who have never been on a farm to see the way they are raised tell me that all farmers (I.E., my whole family) are terrible, abusive people, I laugh at them becaus they are ignorant and have no desire to change that. I don't go to zoos, because I feel that wild animals shouldn't be caged up the way the are. The majority of farms, especially where I'm from, have plenty or room for cattle to graze to their hearts content.
People also cry abuse because sows are put in pens that prevent them from lying down or moving around after they have piglets; these pens are specifically designed for these purposes because sows are assholes. They will step on, crush, and eat and piglet they can get ahold of. The pens used allow piglets to nurse while not endangering their lives.
It's hilarious to me, a born and raised farm girl, because for thousands of years sustenance has been the purpose of animals. I don't care if others choose not to obtain their protein in the same way I do - I care only when they spread their ignorance. If you want to chew tree bark, go for it. But don't attack an entire profession that you have no experience with, especially when that profession is already underpaid and unappreciated.
My husband is from a cattle ranch like that but I thought there are other places that really do suck and the cows get fed corn instead of grass.
Where I'm from, they're fed corn and let out to pasture. I prefer a mixture, because I prefer the taste of corn and grass-fed steak to just grass-fed, but to each their own.
@thaisac1 he has already had one heart attack most likely due to uncontrolled high blood pressure (he thought he could cure that with natural supplements. It didn't work)
@NachosAndPeaches I've tried. My mom has tried (she's a nurse). He doesn't listen to facts. He's a chiropractor and thinks he can cure everything naturally. Which is interesting because he has no problem taking the drugs in the ER when he was about to die of a heart attack....
@thaisac1 he has already had one heart attack most likely due to uncontrolled high blood pressure (he thought he could cure that with natural supplements. It didn't work)
@NachosAndPeaches I've tried. My mom has tried (she's a nurse). He doesn't listen to facts. He's a chiropractor and thinks he can cure everything naturally. Which is interesting because he has no problem taking the drugs in the ER when he was about to die of a heart attack....
Hmmmm, I see a trend here. Now I see how he drives you so frustrated. Well if he has already had one, then even MORE reasons to take the flu shot! It's no small deal. Taking a flu shot will decrease his risk of heart attack this year by 30%, which is better in terms of risk reduction than the baby aspirin he takes (which reduces by about 21%). (Assuming he is taking his baby aspirin!!!)
@RoseShadow873 I am a huge animal lover; however, when people who have never been on a farm to see the way they are raised tell me that all farmers (I.E., my whole family) are terrible, abusive people, I laugh at them becaus they are ignorant and have no desire to change that. I don't go to zoos, because I feel that wild animals shouldn't be caged up the way the are. The majority of farms, especially where I'm from, have plenty or room for cattle to graze to their hearts content.
People also cry abuse because sows are put in pens that prevent them from lying down or moving around after they have piglets; these pens are specifically designed for these purposes because sows are assholes. They will step on, crush, and eat and piglet they can get ahold of. The pens used allow piglets to nurse while not endangering their lives.
It's hilarious to me, a born and raised farm girl, because for thousands of years sustenance has been the purpose of animals. I don't care if others choose not to obtain their protein in the same way I do - I care only when they spread their ignorance. If you want to chew tree bark, go for it. But don't attack an entire profession that you have no experience with, especially when that profession is already underpaid and unappreciated.
My husband is from a cattle ranch like that but I thought there are other places that really do suck and the cows get fed corn instead of grass.
My disclaimer is that I am a vegetarian and I am completely dumb when it comes to meat issues, BUT I was recently told there are some cows in Japan that are fed BEER...?!??! (I think it's Kobe beef). Crazy.
@RoseShadow873 I am a huge animal lover; however, when people who have never been on a farm to see the way they are raised tell me that all farmers (I.E., my whole family) are terrible, abusive people, I laugh at them becaus they are ignorant and have no desire to change that. I don't go to zoos, because I feel that wild animals shouldn't be caged up the way the are. The majority of farms, especially where I'm from, have plenty or room for cattle to graze to their hearts content.
People also cry abuse because sows are put in pens that prevent them from lying down or moving around after they have piglets; these pens are specifically designed for these purposes because sows are assholes. They will step on, crush, and eat and piglet they can get ahold of. The pens used allow piglets to nurse while not endangering their lives.
It's hilarious to me, a born and raised farm girl, because for thousands of years sustenance has been the purpose of animals. I don't care if others choose not to obtain their protein in the same way I do - I care only when they spread their ignorance. If you want to chew tree bark, go for it. But don't attack an entire profession that you have no experience with, especially when that profession is already underpaid and unappreciated.
Yay farmers!!!
We live on a farm that has been in my family for 100+ years. My grandparents and great-grandparents raised cotton and cattle, but none of my family members are farming here anymore. The acreage is now being leased out for cattle, wheat, etc. There's "good" and "bad" farmers and ranchers, just like there are good/bad everything else. Farmers have to decide how they are going to run their business and treat their animals based on their individual sense of right and wrong... But just like teachers and cops, MOST farmers care about their land and animals, because they're certainly not farming for the fame and fortune.
Okay I know I'm half a conversation late at this point but since it's been brought up now, I've been wanting to ask. With everything going on and the fact the leaders have been talking about war and bringing in all the allies-- is anyone concerned about the possibility of their partners or even some of y'all yourselves being called to action with a new baby?
PR is up for statehood again, and last time they gave us the bill was right before the Vietnam War. They recruited everyone, then after the war dropped the bill.
Edit: oh hey literally right after I posted this Pres. Hollande's speech came on saying he is officially declaring war against ISIS. Yay.
@RoseShadow873 I am a huge animal lover; however, when people who have never been on a farm to see the way they are raised tell me that all farmers (I.E., my whole family) are terrible, abusive people, I laugh at them becaus they are ignorant and have no desire to change that. I don't go to zoos, because I feel that wild animals shouldn't be caged up the way the are. The majority of farms, especially where I'm from, have plenty or room for cattle to graze to their hearts content.
People also cry abuse because sows are put in pens that prevent them from lying down or moving around after they have piglets; these pens are specifically designed for these purposes because sows are assholes. They will step on, crush, and eat and piglet they can get ahold of. The pens used allow piglets to nurse while not endangering their lives.
It's hilarious to me, a born and raised farm girl, because for thousands of years sustenance has been the purpose of animals. I don't care if others choose not to obtain their protein in the same way I do - I care only when they spread their ignorance. If you want to chew tree bark, go for it. But don't attack an entire profession that you have no experience with, especially when that profession is already underpaid and unappreciated.
My husband is from a cattle ranch like that but I thought there are other places that really do suck and the cows get fed corn instead of grass.
My disclaimer is that I am a vegetarian and I am completely dumb when it comes to meat issues, BUT I was recently told there are some cows in Japan that are fed BEER...?!??! (I think it's Kobe beef). Crazy.
---quote fail again----
I will say that I've heard (in expose-type stories) that some large commercial chicken farms and fisheries feed their livestock all kinds of gross stuff… But I don't know how accurate or how prevalent that is.
@thaisac1 Kobe beef is on my bucket list! The steers are fed beer and massaged daily, which is supposed to make the meat insanely tender.
@Pinguinageddon DH and I have decided that I will get out of the military if baby is healthy, but if something goes wrong I will re-enlist in order to give LO better insurance and quality of life, as I won't have finished school until LO is nearly two. I'd be given a 6-month grace period to nurse and bond with baby, but if I re-enlist (especially because I am in a combat unit), I would likely deploy within the first year or two of LO's life. It's not a thought I relish, but I will do what I have to to make sure my child is provided for. Also, I would not be upset about the possibility of making the world more safe for my child. DH is in the guard and has two years of stabilization on his contract, meaning he can't deploy until that is up. That gives him time to complete school and get a job with benefits we would need for a special needs LO so that I could get out. If LO has no issues, he still has a strong chance of deploying after two years. It's not a thought I relish, but I would be glad that baby could at least stay with me, rather than be handed off to a relative if we were both overseas. The military is what he has known for the majority of his adult life, and literally all I could do is scrape my knees every day and pray he came home alive because he loves it. This is the life we chose, and we both knew going in that this exact scenario is very real and very close to home so we really can't complain if our numbers are called.
@AmadorRose y'all are such a strong little army family.
My father deployed when my brother was a baby and was gone for two years.. We were fortunate enough that the part of Iraq he was in remained relatively quiet. I planned on following his footsteps until I failed my physical for unavoidable health reasons... Four years later, and I'm terrified of my husband getting called. Edit: I'll definitely be glad to support though, and if he does get called, I'll be proud of him and everyone else who serves. Plus, the world working together to get rid of people like IS sounds good to me.
@Pinguinageddon I was just raised to do what you have to do, and that includes putting baby's needs above my own crippling fear of being without DH for long periods of time, or being away myself so that I can provide a better life for him or her. Maybe I'm a little brainwashed, but I'm disappointed that I didn't get a real deployment in my time in, and won't unless I need to re-enlist. Military families are weird, which I'm sure you know first hand
@thaisac1 Kobe beef is on my bucket list! The steers are fed beer and massaged daily, which is supposed to make the meat insanely tender.
@Pinguinageddon DH and I have decided that I will get out of the military if baby is healthy, but if something goes wrong I will re-enlist in order to give LO better insurance and quality of life, as I won't have finished school until LO is nearly two. I'd be given a 6-month grace period to nurse and bond with baby, but if I re-enlist (especially because I am in a combat unit), I would likely deploy within the first year or two of LO's life. It's not a thought I relish, but I will do what I have to to make sure my child is provided for. Also, I would not be upset about the possibility of making the world more safe for my child.
DH is in the guard and has two years of stabilization on his contract, meaning he can't deploy until that is up. That gives him time to complete school and get a job with benefits we would need for a special needs LO so that I could get out. If LO has no issues, he still has a strong chance of deploying after two years. It's not a thought I relish, but I would be glad that baby could at least stay with me, rather than be handed off to a relative if we were both overseas. The military is what he has known for the majority of his adult life, and literally all I could do is scrape my knees every day and pray he came home alive because he loves it. This is the life we chose, and we both knew going in that this exact scenario is very real and very close to home so we really can't complain if our numbers are called.
Yes, that's it! When I was in Toronto last month, went to a restaurant with hubby and parents and my father had this special beef from Japanese cows that were fed beer and massaged daily just like you said. It wasn't Kobe though, I think the name was Wagu beef or something that sounds like it...?
When it comes to ethical treatment of animals.... Sounds like daily beer and massage is not a bad way to live. LOL
@thaisac1 I wish someone would feed me beer and massage me every day!
Yes I was going to joke by saying that many humans would easily trade lives with those cows, even if it meant being sacrified after a few years. :P (Bad joke, I know. I'm spicy today).
@thaisac1 I wish someone would feed me beer and massage me every day!
Yes I was going to joke by saying that many humans would easily trade lives with those cows, even if it meant being sacrified after a few years. :P (Bad joke, I know. I'm spicy today).
Haha that's exactly what I was thinking. But only for good beer, not the cheap, gross stuff.
@thaisac1 he has already had one heart attack most likely due to uncontrolled high blood pressure (he thought he could cure that with natural supplements. It didn't work)
@NachosAndPeaches I've tried. My mom has tried (she's a nurse). He doesn't listen to facts. He's a chiropractor and thinks he can cure everything naturally. Which is interesting because he has no problem taking the drugs in the ER when he was about to die of a heart attack....
Hmmmm, I see a trend here. Now I see how he drives you so frustrated. Well if he has already had one, then even MORE reasons to take the flu shot! It's no small deal. Taking a flu shot will decrease his risk of heart attack this year by 30%, which is better in terms of risk reduction than the baby aspirin he takes (which reduces by about 21%). (Assuming he is taking his baby aspirin!!!)
That's really amazing when you think about it! 30% is not a small number. I'm going to sit down and properly read the research now so I have some good ammo for what is sure to be a very heated thanksgiving dinner conversation. And no he doesn't take aspirin!!! He probably inhales tea trea oil or adds some extra flax seeds to his kale shakes instead lol
I'm a bit worried about breastfeeding but I'm TERRIFIED about giving birth! It sounds so scary!
This is what my mom told me that someone told her. Every single person you ever meet has been born. A woman gave birth to them. It will all be okay.
And epidurals are your BFF.
Giving birth is amazing. Seriously I felt the same way, but it was the best thing I've ever done. Loved it so much that I was actually jealous when my still-pregnant friends went into labor.
Are you feeling ok?
Maybe this is her way of pranking us; making us really excited about giving birth, and the BAM! RING OF FIRE!!
And thank you everyone. It's been hard on DH. ISIS just issued a warning to all countries who participate in attacking them that they would be next and sending a direct threat to Washington and it makes me really worried.
No, I seriously mean it. It's the best thing ever. And I didn't feel a thing once I got the epidural... pushed for 30 minutes and got my sweet baby boy :-) It was a little scary because of meconium and the cord was wrapped around his neck when he came out, but he was fine :-)
It was super painful before I got the epidural, like worse than I had anticipated... but it doesn't even matter .It was just the coolest and most meaningful and amazing thing I've ever done.
Amanda
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Perhaps this should be an uo: I absolutely love giving birth, and I do it unmedicated. Is it hard work? Hells yes. Does it hurt? You bet! The ring of fire is real. Butbutbut!! Doing it naturally triggers an endorphin release like nothing else you will ever experience, and I wouldn't miss that for the world. I'm so glad that when I was having my first, my fear of a needle to the spine was greater than my fear of the pain!
I'll easily skip the endorphins and then get it from running, sex or chocolate.
I'm so terrified of needles I actually had a secret plan to just not go to the hospital and go through birth myself. The wonderful ladies on this board have given me enough insight to understand how selfish that way of thinking is. When the time comes I'll do what I need to do for the LO, but I'm not planning on using an epidural. (Or an IV, unless it actually becomes necessary, and I'm well aware that means I might end up with a needle in my neck in a worse case scenario) Your post makes me feel more confident in my decision to not go through with that.
Also unrelated but related, if anyone needs a good retort for anti-Muslim rhetoric you can always just point out that according to the US National Counter Terrorisn Center, Muslims actually account for 97% of terror related fatalities.
/endrant
Here's an easy little read that confirms that flu vaccination decreases the risk of heart attack by 30%. https://www.cardiosmart.org/News-and-Events/2015/08/Flu-Vaccine-Reduces-Risk-for-Heart-Attack
He may not be concerned about catching the flu, but I bet he would be concerned about having a heart attack. The heart is the most amazing organ anyways and we must protect it (hehehehe Cardiologist rave).
Thank you for that feedback. That is so so nice to hear! Also I LOLd at your secret birth plan. I promise that when you're in labor, if you DO need interventions you won't even be worried about needles, your mama bear will take over and you will be just fine.
Here's an easy little read that confirms that flu vaccination decreases the risk of heart attack by 30%. https://www.cardiosmart.org/News-and-Events/2015/08/Flu-Vaccine-Reduces-Risk-for-Heart-Attack
He may not be concerned about catching the flu, but I bet he would be concerned about having a heart attack. The heart is the most amazing organ anyways and we must protect it (hehehehe Cardiologist rave).
@DougalMcG why is he against flu vaccines? We can help you find information to debunk anything he's claiming is bad about them.
Jokes aside, I have zero grant motivation right now, so this board is a great past time.
In my whole life I had never heard of people who would willingly chose to not vaccinate their children, until I started noticing it as a topic in various American TV-shows and movies. I thought it was a pretty obvious choice. Humans will never seize to amaze me with their stupidity.
Hospitals are great for those who need or want them (for real), but for those who don't, home or birth center births can be an amazing option.
BTW @NachosAndPeaches the reason I brought that up, is most vegans I know are extremely anti vax. They are against the flu shot as well because they are created using chicken embryos. (Flu mist is not in case anyone was wondering)
People also cry abuse because sows are put in pens that prevent them from lying down or moving around after they have piglets; these pens are specifically designed for these purposes because sows are assholes. They will step on, crush, and eat and piglet they can get ahold of. The pens used allow piglets to nurse while not endangering their lives.
It's hilarious to me, a born and raised farm girl, because for thousands of years sustenance has been the purpose of animals. I don't care if others choose not to obtain their protein in the same way I do - I care only when they spread their ignorance. If you want to chew tree bark, go for it. But don't attack an entire profession that you have no experience with, especially when that profession is already underpaid and unappreciated.
Where I'm from, they're fed corn and let out to pasture. I prefer a mixture, because I prefer the taste of corn and grass-fed steak to just grass-fed, but to each their own.
@NachosAndPeaches I've tried. My mom has tried (she's a nurse). He doesn't listen to facts. He's a chiropractor and thinks he can cure everything naturally. Which is interesting because he has no problem taking the drugs in the ER when he was about to die of a heart attack....
Hmmmm, I see a trend here. Now I see how he drives you so frustrated.
My disclaimer is that I am a vegetarian and I am completely dumb when it comes to meat issues, BUT I was recently told there are some cows in Japan that are fed BEER...?!??! (I think it's Kobe beef). Crazy.
We live on a farm that has been in my family for 100+ years. My grandparents and great-grandparents raised cotton and cattle, but none of my family members are farming here anymore. The acreage is now being leased out for cattle, wheat, etc. There's "good" and "bad" farmers and ranchers, just like there are good/bad everything else. Farmers have to decide how they are going to run their business and treat their animals based on their individual sense of right and wrong... But just like teachers and cops, MOST farmers care about their land and animals, because they're certainly not farming for the fame and fortune.
With everything going on and the fact the leaders have been talking about war and bringing in all the allies-- is anyone concerned about the possibility of their partners or even some of y'all yourselves being called to action with a new baby?
PR is up for statehood again, and last time they gave us the bill was right before the Vietnam War. They recruited everyone, then after the war dropped the bill.
Edit: oh hey literally right after I posted this Pres. Hollande's speech came on saying he is officially declaring war against ISIS. Yay.
My disclaimer is that I am a vegetarian and I am completely dumb when it comes to meat issues, BUT I was recently told there are some cows in Japan that are fed BEER...?!??! (I think it's Kobe beef). Crazy.
---quote fail again----
I will say that I've heard (in expose-type stories) that some large commercial chicken farms and fisheries feed their livestock all kinds of gross stuff… But I don't know how accurate or how prevalent that is.
@Pinguinageddon DH and I have decided that I will get out of the military if baby is healthy, but if something goes wrong I will re-enlist in order to give LO better insurance and quality of life, as I won't have finished school until LO is nearly two. I'd be given a 6-month grace period to nurse and bond with baby, but if I re-enlist (especially because I am in a combat unit), I would likely deploy within the first year or two of LO's life. It's not a thought I relish, but I will do what I have to to make sure my child is provided for. Also, I would not be upset about the possibility of making the world more safe for my child.
DH is in the guard and has two years of stabilization on his contract, meaning he can't deploy until that is up. That gives him time to complete school and get a job with benefits we would need for a special needs LO so that I could get out. If LO has no issues, he still has a strong chance of deploying after two years. It's not a thought I relish, but I would be glad that baby could at least stay with me, rather than be handed off to a relative if we were both overseas. The military is what he has known for the majority of his adult life, and literally all I could do is scrape my knees every day and pray he came home alive because he loves it. This is the life we chose, and we both knew going in that this exact scenario is very real and very close to home so we really can't complain if our numbers are called.
My father deployed when my brother was a baby and was gone for two years.. We were fortunate enough that the part of Iraq he was in remained relatively quiet. I planned on following his footsteps until I failed my physical for unavoidable health reasons... Four years later, and I'm terrified of my husband getting called.
Edit: I'll definitely be glad to support though, and if he does get called, I'll be proud of him and everyone else who serves. Plus, the world working together to get rid of people like IS sounds good to me.
When it comes to ethical treatment of animals.... Sounds like daily beer and massage is not a bad way to live.
EDITED to correct the name of the beef: It's Wagyu beef, I just googled it. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/11406635/Whats-all-the-fuss-about-Wagyu-beef.html
Haha that's exactly what I was thinking. But only for good beer, not the cheap, gross stuff.
That's really amazing when you think about it! 30% is not a small number. I'm going to sit down and properly read the research now so I have some good ammo for what is sure to be a very heated thanksgiving dinner conversation. And no he doesn't take aspirin!!! He probably inhales tea trea oil or adds some extra flax seeds to his kale shakes instead lol
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