UO Thursday

Magriet

Katie996:

I don't care what you compare it to.  Allowing your child to intentionally go down 1 STAIR or 10 stairs in a walker is completely foolish. TONS of children are seriously injured by ACCIDENTALLY doing this.., and you certainly are not putting your child in a "bubble" by NOT allowing them to do this.

cmb0118

Can I start a new UO? I hate those stick-figures on the back of peoples cars depicting who is in the family. Back in the 1990's? parents were advised not have their kids wear clothing or backpacks that had their names on it because then strangers could call them and pretend that they know them. It was common sense. Now, fast-forward 20 years, people are putting stick figures of their children (and sometimes including their names) on the back of the cars and parking them in front of the house. So, now strangers know the gender, approximate age, interests, and where the child lives, and people are not concerned with this?

ashday

smilelari:

ashday:

Smilelari, you do too have an opinion on when people start feeding solids. Every time someone has a question about it, you reply with not starting til 6 months. That right there is an opinion.

I already addressed this (but the thread is long and hard to read through now).

I have opinions on virtually everything, as does everyone else.  When people ask about solids, I post the current recs from the various health organizations as well as what I would do (which is wait until 6 months or later).  If you decide to go ahead and start solids earlier than what I would, well that's your own business.  Your baby, do what you want.  I really don't give a flying fig what you do, but if you ask me what I would do and how I feel, well then I will tell you what I would do in your situation.

And my opinion in this post wasn't about when people should start solids.  Regardless of when you start solids, if you are feeding solids you aren't EBF and should remove the badge from your siggy.  'Tis my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Sorry, saw your reply after I wrote this.

honeybee #1

cmb0118:

Can I start a new UO? I hate those stick-figures on the back of peoples cars depicting who is in the family. Back in the 1990's? parents were advised not have their kids wear clothing or backpacks that had their names on it because then strangers could call them and pretend that they know them. It was common sense. Now, fast-forward 20 years, people are putting stick figures of their children (and sometimes including their names) on the back of the cars and parking them in front of the house. So, now strangers know the gender, approximate age, interests, and where the child lives, and people are not concerned with this?

ITA. I like that with the tint on my windows (WAAAYYY darker than is legal, thank you previous owners) you can't even tell I have a baby in the car unless you hold your hands to the glass, hear her when she's upset or see us loading/unloading her in the car. My decals only show what my favorite animal is.

itsmarcie22

Froggy76:

I rarely give a crap what the weather's like outside and I don't get why it's the #1 topic of conversation in this country.  My boss starts off every freaking conference call with a discussion on the weather.  I wish I could have all those minutes of my life back.

Also, Fifty Shades of Grey is the most poorly written book I've ever read.  I couldn't get past the writing to decide if I thought it was a turn-on or not.

I loved yesterday's debate and wish we'd have more discussions like that.  This board is so slow otherwise.

I agree completely. I've read about half of it and just cannot understand why I've heard so much about it...

Another UO:  My little man hasn't STTN yet but usually sleeps in until around 9AM and I couldn't be happier - I'd far rather have him wake me up a few times throughout the night but let me sleep in! 

raeski2008

Can pipe in? (Haven't been on in awhile)

I like the leashes. I will have to use one because of muscle problems not allowing me to lean down that far and hand hold. I think even if I didn't have to I would though, I mean better safe than sorry right?

I also like the badges. When I first added the BFing badge it was when I had just given birth to LO and BFing was so painful. I added it because I felt it provided accountability and kept me going for my goals. Now I don't believe I should have to take it down because I am still BFing and I will EBF with future kids as well.

I think walkers are okay in moderation. LO loves her exersaucer.

My UO: I think people who put a little eye rolling emoticon after every single post are annoying.

 Edit: Oh! And I think the "I Went Natural!" badge isn't trying to seem better, just so happy it is over I am shouting for joy! I liked going natural, but I don't think I'll be doing it again. 

MrsCaddyshack

raeski2008:

 Edit: Oh! And I think the "I Went Natural!" badge isn't trying to seem better, just so happy it is over I am shouting for joy! I liked going natural, but I don't think I'll be doing it again. 

LOL! I hadn't thought of that perspective!

alyss0nl

ninaanddan2007:

I hate siggys. I also hate kid leashes.

I also think that all US gradeschool students should learn *wait for it* Spanish in the classroom. 

 

I agree to an extent. I think all children should learn a foreign language, not just Spanish. I took Latin and Spanish in high school, and my sister is currently taking French, and is about 80% fluent. 

I want DS to learn French!

authorofdreamz

Katie996:

I don't care what you compare it to.  Allowing your child to intentionally go down 1 STAIR or 10 stairs in a walker is completely foolish. TONS of children are seriously injured by ACCIDENTALLY doing this.., and you certainly are not putting your child in a "bubble" by NOT allowing them to do this.

 

It was accidentally it wasn't like they were pushing him down the step or like they were sitting back and laughing it would just happen because people can't sit and stare at their kids 24/7. Accidents happen. That is a fact of life. Accidents are going to happen to your daughter even if you follow every safety regulation ever made. She is going to fall while learning how to walk. She is going to fall while learning how to ride a bike. She is going to get hurt. And again this wasn't even my point my point was that he used a walker all the time and still learned to walk very early.

I broke my wrist falling up a step that I HAD to go up to get in my door when I was 4. Guess I should have stayed outside because that was too dangerous.

Magriet

authorofdreamz:

Katie996:

I don't care what you compare it to.  Allowing your child to intentionally go down 1 STAIR or 10 stairs in a walker is completely foolish. TONS of children are seriously injured by ACCIDENTALLY doing this.., and you certainly are not putting your child in a "bubble" by NOT allowing them to do this.

 

It was accidentally it wasn't like they were pushing him down the step or like they were sitting back and laughing it would just happen because people can't sit and stare at their kids 24/7. Accidents happen. That is a fact of life. Accidents are going to happen to your daughter even if you follow every safety regulation ever made. She is going to fall while learning how to walk. She is going to fall while learning how to ride a bike. She is going to get hurt. And again this wasn't even my point my point was that he used a walker all the time and still learned to walk very early.

I broke my wrist falling up a step that I HAD to go up to get in my door when I was 4. Guess I should have stayed outside because that was too dangerous.

You said he fell down there EVERY DAY.  That is not an accident.  That is purposefully not taking the toy away that causes injury.

alyss0nl

authorofdreamz:

Katie996:

I don't care what you compare it to.  Allowing your child to intentionally go down 1 STAIR or 10 stairs in a walker is completely foolish. TONS of children are seriously injured by ACCIDENTALLY doing this.., and you certainly are not putting your child in a "bubble" by NOT allowing them to do this.

 

It was accidentally it wasn't like they were pushing him down the step or like they were sitting back and laughing it would just happen because people can't sit and stare at their kids 24/7. Accidents happen. That is a fact of life. Accidents are going to happen to your daughter even if you follow every safety regulation ever made. She is going to fall while learning how to walk. She is going to fall while learning how to ride a bike. She is going to get hurt. And again this wasn't even my point my point was that he used a walker all the time and still learned to walk very early.

I broke my wrist falling up a step that I HAD to go up to get in my door when I was 4. Guess I should have stayed outside because that was too dangerous.

lol

authorofdreamz

Magriet:

You said he fell down there EVERY DAY.  That is not an accident.  That is purposefully not taking the toy away that causes injury.

Except my whole point is that he wasn't injured. Kids are very resilient. 

KBBH

cmb0118:

Can I start a new UO? I hate those stick-figures on the back of peoples cars depicting who is in the family. Back in the 1990's? parents were advised not have their kids wear clothing or backpacks that had their names on it because then strangers could call them and pretend that they know them. It was common sense. Now, fast-forward 20 years, people are putting stick figures of their children (and sometimes including their names) on the back of the cars and parking them in front of the house. So, now strangers know the gender, approximate age, interests, and where the child lives, and people are not concerned with this?

 Ha ha.  I saw a hilarious one the other day - it was a "family" with mom, dad, kids, and a pet or two.  They were being chased by a guy in a hockey mask with a chainsaw.  Underneath it said, "Nobody cares about your stick figure family."  Baha haah. 

littlewinnie15

authorofdreamz:

Magriet:

You said he fell down there EVERY DAY.  That is not an accident.  That is purposefully not taking the toy away that causes injury.

Except my whole point is that he wasn't injured. Kids are very resilient. 

Yeah guys... a little bit of stupidity and a lot of poor parenting never hurt NOBODY!

alyss0nl

Christine&Mario:

Here's one:

I think that if you have a 40-hour/week job and you can get your work done in less time than that, then goofing off at work/reading the news/bumping/FBing is totally justified ...as long as you are willing to put in some extra time when things do get busy around the office.

Boo! I don't get to bump until I get home from work, which is between 4:00-5:00. Besides, I barely get a chance to sit down at the computer until the end of the day. My school has an air-tight firewall and they monitor our internet usage.

Magriet

authorofdreamz:

Magriet:

You said he fell down there EVERY DAY.  That is not an accident.  That is purposefully not taking the toy away that causes injury.

Except my whole point is that he wasn't injured. Kids are very resilient. 

Um, you just said in a previous post that your point was that he walked early.  So which is it?

littlewinnie15

ALSO - Please disregard my siggy badge. Charlie ate carrots today. I know, I'm an awful person for perpetuating the lie and really my hard work to BF my child as long as I could isn't worth anything.

Maybe I should design a new badge for those of us that still BF but supplement and have started solids. It'll read:

My baby is well fed. Back off a b!tch.

authorofdreamz

Magriet:

Um, you just said in a previous post that your point was that he walked early.  So which is it?

That was my main point but I meant the point of even including that part in my post but I wish I hadn't since people don't know how to read and take everything WAYY to seriously. God. Apparently, what everyone read was "WALKERS ARE GREAT YOU CAN SIT AND LAUGH AT YOUR KID WHILE THEY FALL DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS!!"

JMack1117

authorofdreamz:

Katie996:

I don't care what you compare it to.  Allowing your child to intentionally go down 1 STAIR or 10 stairs in a walker is completely foolish. TONS of children are seriously injured by ACCIDENTALLY doing this.., and you certainly are not putting your child in a "bubble" by NOT allowing them to do this.

 

It was accidentally it wasn't like they were pushing him down the step or like they were sitting back and laughing it would just happen because people can't sit and stare at their kids 24/7. Accidents happen. That is a fact of life. Accidents are going to happen to your daughter even if you follow every safety regulation ever made. She is going to fall while learning how to walk. She is going to fall while learning how to ride a bike. She is going to get hurt. And again this wasn't even my point my point was that he used a walker all the time and still learned to walk very early.

I broke my wrist falling up a step that I HAD to go up to get in my door when I was 4. Guess I should have stayed outside because that was too dangerous.

Holy shiit are you thick-headed on this subject!   The difference between falling in a walker and learning to walk is that there is no VALUE in falling down a step.  He didn't just need to learn to navigate the stair better....it was just a dangerous situation.  Kids fall when they learn to walk because they are learning to use and control their bodies in new ways.    Here's a better analogy for you....its like leaving the burner on the stove on, and your child getting burned on it EVERY DAY.  This is not a learning experience.  Your baby doesn't need to learn to tolerate heat better, or avoid the stove.  You, as the person responsible for the child's well-being, need to turn the burner off, or keep your child out of the kitchen.  There is no value to getting burned, or falling down the step in a walker...do you see what people are saying??

raeski2008

littlewinnie15:

ALSO - Please disregard my siggy badge. Charlie ate carrots today. I know, I'm an awful person for perpetuating the lie and really my hard work to BF my child as long as I could isn't worth anything.

Maybe I should design a new badge for those of us that still BF but supplement and have started solids. It'll read:

My baby is well fed. Back off a b!tch.

Magriet

authorofdreamz:

Magriet:

Um, you just said in a previous post that your point was that he walked early.  So which is it?

That was my main point but I meant the point of even including that part in my post but I wish I hadn't since people don't know how to read and take everything WAYY to seriously. God. Apparently, what everyone read was "WALKERS ARE GREAT YOU CAN SIT AND LAUGH AT YOUR KID WHILE THEY FALL DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS!!"

What everyone is reading is "It's okay to have a toy that injures your kid EVERY DAY; as long as they don't get seriously injured then it is okay, they will learn to walk early!  Kids will get hurt in any case, why prevent something that happens every day?"

littlewinnie15

authorofdreamz:

Magriet:

Um, you just said in a previous post that your point was that he walked early.  So which is it?

That was my main point but I meant the point of even including that part in my post but I wish I hadn't since people don't know how to read and take everything WAYY to seriously. God. Apparently, what everyone read was "WALKERS ARE GREAT YOU CAN SIT AND LAUGH AT YOUR KID WHILE THEY FALL DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS!!"

I'm thinking that maybe using an example of sh!tty parenting will never help you win over a crowd on a parenting board. Like, I let my baby drink whiskey to get through teething - so what, he's fine. Or, I put pillows in my baby's crib because he didn't look comfortable - no big deal, he didn't suffocate. Or, my mom smoked with me in the car - so what, I don't have asthma.

A child repeatedly falling down the stairs, but so what he's fine, doesn't negate the fact that a parent repeatedly let their kid fall down the stairs and that he did it in a walker. Just because the negative outcome didn't occur, doesn't make it okay and DOESN'T make a case that the action is safe.

Catch my drift?

authorofdreamz

JMack1117:

Holy shiit are you thick-headed on this subject!   The difference between falling in a walker and learning to walk is that there is no VALUE in falling down a step.  He didn't just need to learn to navigate the stair better....it was just a dangerous situation.  Kids fall when they learn to walk because they are learning to use and control their bodies in new ways.    Here's a better analogy for you....its like leaving the burner on the stove on, and your child getting burned on it EVERY DAY.  This is not a learning experience.  Your baby doesn't need to learn to tolerate heat better, or avoid the stove.  You, as the person responsible for the child's well-being, need to turn the burner off, or keep your child out of the kitchen.  There is no value to getting burned, or falling down the step in a walker...do you see what people are saying??

Actually, that is exactly what they should learn and what I would hope people would be teaching them. I mean not that anyone should leave a burner on since that is a fire hazard but when it is on for cooking purposes you should teach your child to avoid the stove not just never cook...see what I AM saying? My mom put our hands on the oven (not enough to burn us just for us to get that it is HOT) and told us it was hot and would hurt us and not to touch it. EVERYTHING is dangerous you don't just avoid it you learn how to use it properly.

And it's not like he fell down everyday FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE he fell down everyday (and probably not really every.single.day I am sure they were exaggerating until he learned not to therefore is no longer falling down steps everyday. But go ahead and keep your child away from all steps and hot things and expect them to magically learn these things.

authorofdreamz

littlewinnie15:

I'm thinking that maybe using an example of sh!tty parenting will never help you win over a crowd on a parenting board. Like, I let my baby drink whiskey to get through teething - so what, he's fine. Or, I put pillows in my baby's crib because he didn't look comfortable - no big deal, he didn't suffocate. Or, my mom smoked with me in the car - so what, I don't have asthma.

A child repeatedly falling down the stairs, but so what he's fine, doesn't negate the fact that a parent repeatedly let their kid fall down the stairs and that he did it in a walker. Just because the negative outcome didn't occur, doesn't make it okay and DOESN'T make a case that the action is safe.

Catch my drift?

I don't think letting your child use a walker is sh!tty parenting or comparable to giving your baby whiskey. It is a TOY designed for CHILDREN if it was so terribly dangerous it wouldn't be allowed on the market. 

Magriet

authorofdreamz:

littlewinnie15:

I'm thinking that maybe using an example of sh!tty parenting will never help you win over a crowd on a parenting board. Like, I let my baby drink whiskey to get through teething - so what, he's fine. Or, I put pillows in my baby's crib because he didn't look comfortable - no big deal, he didn't suffocate. Or, my mom smoked with me in the car - so what, I don't have asthma.

A child repeatedly falling down the stairs, but so what he's fine, doesn't negate the fact that a parent repeatedly let their kid fall down the stairs and that he did it in a walker. Just because the negative outcome didn't occur, doesn't make it okay and DOESN'T make a case that the action is safe.

Catch my drift?

I don't think letting your child use a walker is sh!tty parenting or comparable to giving your baby whiskey. It is a TOY designed for CHILDREN if it was so terribly dangerous it wouldn't be allowed on the market. 

In Canada it isn't allowed on the market, it is not allowed to be imported and it isn't allowed to be sold second hand, so it IS that dangerous.

littlewinnie15

authorofdreamz:

littlewinnie15:

I'm thinking that maybe using an example of sh!tty parenting will never help you win over a crowd on a parenting board. Like, I let my baby drink whiskey to get through teething - so what, he's fine. Or, I put pillows in my baby's crib because he didn't look comfortable - no big deal, he didn't suffocate. Or, my mom smoked with me in the car - so what, I don't have asthma.

A child repeatedly falling down the stairs, but so what he's fine, doesn't negate the fact that a parent repeatedly let their kid fall down the stairs and that he did it in a walker. Just because the negative outcome didn't occur, doesn't make it okay and DOESN'T make a case that the action is safe.

Catch my drift?

I don't think letting your child use a walker is sh!tty parenting or comparable to giving your baby whiskey. It is a TOY designed for CHILDREN if it was so terribly dangerous it wouldn't be allowed on the market. 

Srsly?

You can't really be this dense??? The sh!tty parenting is not the use of the walker. Letting the child REPEATEDLY FALL DOWN THE STAIRS is sh!tty parenting. You lose all credibility when you try to make the repeated abuse and injury of a child okay.

littlewinnie15

authorofdreamz:

JMack1117:

Holy shiit are you thick-headed on this subject!   The difference between falling in a walker and learning to walk is that there is no VALUE in falling down a step.  He didn't just need to learn to navigate the stair better....it was just a dangerous situation.  Kids fall when they learn to walk because they are learning to use and control their bodies in new ways.    Here's a better analogy for you....its like leaving the burner on the stove on, and your child getting burned on it EVERY DAY.  This is not a learning experience.  Your baby doesn't need to learn to tolerate heat better, or avoid the stove.  You, as the person responsible for the child's well-being, need to turn the burner off, or keep your child out of the kitchen.  There is no value to getting burned, or falling down the step in a walker...do you see what people are saying??

Actually, that is exactly what they should learn and what I would hope people would be teaching them. I mean not that anyone should leave a burner on since that is a fire hazard but when it is on for cooking purposes you should teach your child to avoid the stove not just never cook...see what I AM saying? My mom put our hands on the oven (not enough to burn us just for us to get that it is HOT) and told us it was hot and would hurt us and not to touch it. EVERYTHING is dangerous you don't just avoid it you learn how to use it properly.

And it's not like he fell down everyday FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE he fell down everyday (and probably not really every.single.day I am sure they were exaggerating until he learned not to therefore is no longer falling down steps everyday. But go ahead and keep your child away from all steps and hot things and expect them to magically learn these things.

If this is the example set forth to you regarding parenting, it is no wonder you find nothing wrong with a child repeatedly falling down the stairs. A child doesn't need to be put in a dangerous situation to learn that something might hurt them. 

I am starting to fear for the safety of your child.

dpeugh85

littlewinnie15:

authorofdreamz:

littlewinnie15:

I'm thinking that maybe using an example of sh!tty parenting will never help you win over a crowd on a parenting board. Like, I let my baby drink whiskey to get through teething - so what, he's fine. Or, I put pillows in my baby's crib because he didn't look comfortable - no big deal, he didn't suffocate. Or, my mom smoked with me in the car - so what, I don't have asthma.

A child repeatedly falling down the stairs, but so what he's fine, doesn't negate the fact that a parent repeatedly let their kid fall down the stairs and that he did it in a walker. Just because the negative outcome didn't occur, doesn't make it okay and DOESN'T make a case that the action is safe.

Catch my drift?

I don't think letting your child use a walker is sh!tty parenting or comparable to giving your baby whiskey. It is a TOY designed for CHILDREN if it was so terribly dangerous it wouldn't be allowed on the market. 

Srsly?

You can't really be this dense??? The sh!tty parenting is not the use of the walker. Letting the child REPEATEDLY FALL DOWN THE STAIRS is sh!tty parenting. You lose all credibility when you try to make the repeated abuse and injury of a child okay.

The Stupid--- It burns!

Vieve831

authorofdreamz:

And it's not like he fell down everyday FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE he fell down everyday (and probably not really every.single.day I am sure they were exaggerating until he learned not to therefore is no longer falling down steps everyday. But go ahead and keep your child away from all steps and hot things and expect them to magically learn these things.

There it is.

It's hard to take you seriously when a lot of your posts seem like exaggerations yet you cling to them and keep coming up with new examples to defend them. Why didn't you just admit that from the beginning?

alyss0nl

Until I read this thread, I didn't realize how hot of a topic using a walker is. My son uses it a couple times a week in our family room while I watch him on the couch. Not that I have to defend my parenting skills to anyone.

bellapup

smilelari:

I was opposed to leashes until I had a walking/running toddler.  Now I think they have their place as you are teaching them to hold hands.  This is a skill they must learn and while they are learning you don't want to lose a toddler.  We don't use a leash any more, but while we were learning to walk and not run off in public places we definitely did.  I prefer the use of the leash to the overuse of the stroller (which many people use to confine their toddlers that really should be walking).  At least with the leash the kid gets to walk and to learn.

 

Totally agree!  I've never used a leash but definitely considered one when my DD was learning to walk.  If you haven't had a toddler, you shouldn't judge another mom using a leash.

authorofdreamz

Vieve831:

There it is.

It's hard to take you seriously when a lot of your posts seem like exaggerations yet you cling to them and keep coming up with new examples to defend them. Why didn't you just admit that from the beginning?

Seriously? EVERYONE exaggerates. And *I* didn't even exaggerate all I said was what his parents told me and they said "every day" I am assuming they did not literally mean every single day because that is not what people usually mean when they say every day but I'm sorry I don't know exactly what happened before I was even born.  If I had known that my funny anecdote would create this huge drama I would have made sure my facts were 100% accurate.

authorofdreamz

littlewinnie15:

Srsly?

You can't really be this dense??? The sh!tty parenting is not the use of the walker. Letting the child REPEATEDLY FALL DOWN THE STAIRS is sh!tty parenting. You lose all credibility when you try to make the repeated abuse and injury of a child okay.

Again it was a step not STAIRS and there was no injury and I don't see how that is abuse. Accidents happen to every child.

littlewinnie15

alysson.lawless:

Until I read this thread, I didn't realize how hot of a topic using a walker is. My son uses it a couple times a week in our family room while I watch him on the couch. Not that I have to defend my parenting skills to anyone.

We have a walker too. We haven't used ours, but Charlie goes in one at Nana's and he loves it. The important part, to me, is not whether or not to use the walker. It's to not allow the child and the walker to repeatedly fall down the stairs, or defend a scenario where doing so would be a-okay.

authorofdreamz

Magriet:

In Canada it isn't allowed on the market, it is not allowed to be imported and it isn't allowed to be sold second hand, so it IS that dangerous.

Well it is in the US.

littlewinnie15

authorofdreamz:

littlewinnie15:

Srsly?

You can't really be this dense??? The sh!tty parenting is not the use of the walker. Letting the child REPEATEDLY FALL DOWN THE STAIRS is sh!tty parenting. You lose all credibility when you try to make the repeated abuse and injury of a child okay.

Again it was a step not STAIRS and there was no injury and I don't see how that is abuse. Accidents happen to every child.

There is nothing left to say, except...

dpeugh85

authorofdreamz:

Vieve831:

There it is.

It's hard to take you seriously when a lot of your posts seem like exaggerations yet you cling to them and keep coming up with new examples to defend them. Why didn't you just admit that from the beginning?

Seriously? EVERYONE exaggerates. And *I* didn't even exaggerate all I said was what his parents told me and they said "every day" I am assuming they did not literally mean every single day because that is not what people usually mean when they say every day but I'm sorry I don't know exactly what happened before I was even born.  If I had known that my funny anecdote would create this huge drama I would have made sure my facts were 100% accurate.

Let's just let it go, mmmkay?  You win the medal for UO of the day.  Any further discussion on this is counterproductive, and my head hurts from banging it against the wall every time you post something. 

mbgreenwalt

This thread is the definition of insanity.

authorofdreamz

dpeugh85:

Let's just let it go, mmmkay?  You win the medal for UO of the day.  Any further discussion on this is counterproductive, and my head hurts from banging it against the wall every time you post something. 

No one forces you to read it. 

authorofdreamz

littlewinnie15:

There is nothing left to say, except...

Right back at 'ya.