UO Thursday

sap05e

Mmmhmmm....

 

JMC11511

Along the FB line about "repost this if" I cannot stand those pictures of animals with silly quotes around them. I have a friend on FB that posts probably 25+ of those a day. It drives me insane. 

Along the walker line, BIL is a physical therapist and he agrees that walkers are bad developmentally for babies to use. His explanation to me was that it can cause their hips to grow incorrectly as they are learning to walk in them. The exersaucer is different because they are not walking in the exersaucer they are practicing standing and balancing. Just his explanation. We have an exersaucer (hand me down from BIL/SIL) and LO only hangs out in there for a few minutes at a time while one of us is right there with him.

Badges are not necessary.

Kids falling down any number of stairs or steps is not the greatest idea in the history of the world.

Illegal immigration is annoying, particularly in California, where there are NOT, as someone said yesterday "plenty of jobs." I am all for people immigrating to America to make a better life, but there are ways to do that legally.

The thing about hand sanitizer being unnecessary is frightening to me. Yes, my kid will get sick. Yes, germs are everywhere. Yes, his immune system needs to develop. But this does not mean I should just let him run around touching everything that is dirty and hope for the best. Case in point, DH's grandma is in a nursing home and as of yesterday is on isolation because of MRSA (she has had numerous infections since being in this nursing home). So should I take my almost 6 month old over there and be completely fine with various nurses/patients attempting and succeeding in touching my child? Probably not. 

 

Liz1485

raepny2:

Vieve831:

Americans also travel to other countries and expect people there to speak English!!

SO true! Americans are arrogant. 

To be fair, most of the big well-developed countries do speak english. At least enough of it to get by. Now, on the subject of speaking enough Spanish to get by, my husband works as an army recruiter in California. There are a ton of Mexicans here, they are the majority. He makes phone calls all day long, from 8:30 am - 5 pm to houses with high schoolers. He also does house calls  to them, to see if the kids are interested. Most of the houses don't have english speaking parents at all. The only english they know is "no english" They're not trying. They don't know enough to get by. He has to go everywhere with one of the other recruiters who speaks spanish because these people don't bother to learn. Their kids know english, of course, because they're in schools here.

My point is that most of them are not trying, as was posted earlier today, I don't remember by who. I know this because my husband has called almost every person in the area we live in, it's 4 cities. Just sayin'.

authorofdreamz

Vieve831:

authorofdreamz:

And for the record I never said anything about people needing to speak "proper English" just needing to know enough English not to need everything translated into Spanish for them, so that I don't have to learn Spanish just to get a job.

This is what you said yesterday, but today you are saying you know enough Spanish to communicate with someone on a basic level. I would think that would be enough Spanish to get a job at Burger King.

 

No actually it isn't. Most places want you to be fluent in Spanish but thanks for calling me a liar. 

Another U/PO: I hate when debates turn into personal attacks. 

authorofdreamz

ashleylach:

You're dumb for thinking that if you let your baby fall down ONE STEP everyday that it's okay, they just need to learn.  Well one day that ONE STEP could lead to their head being split open or a broken leg or arm.  What parent intentionally is going to say "it's okay Johnny break your arm, because you need to learn how to walk properly." DUMB PARENTS!

Yep much better to put them in a bubble..can't ever get hurt in there

mben1119

authorofdreamz:

ashleylach:

You're dumb for thinking that if you let your baby fall down ONE STEP everyday that it's okay, they just need to learn.  Well one day that ONE STEP could lead to their head being split open or a broken leg or arm.  What parent intentionally is going to say "it's okay Johnny break your arm, because you need to learn how to walk properly." DUMB PARENTS!

Yep much better to put them in a bubble..can't ever get hurt in there

There's a huge difference between not letting your child get hurt the same way multiple times, and putting them in a "bubble."  Common sense dictates that you prevent your child from getting hurt when you can help it.

raepny2

Liz1485:

To be fair, most of the big well-developed countries do speak english. At least enough of it to get by. Now, on the subject of speaking enough Spanish to get by, my husband works as an army recruiter in California. There are a ton of Mexicans here, they are the majority. He makes phone calls all day long, from 8:30 am - 5 pm to houses with high schoolers. He also does house calls  to them, to see if the kids are interested. Most of the houses don't have english speaking parents at all. The only english they know is "no english" They're not trying. They don't know enough to get by. He has to go everywhere with one of the other recruiters who speaks spanish because these people don't bother to learn. Their kids know english, of course, because they're in schools here.

My point is that most of them are not trying, as was posted earlier today, I don't remember by who. I know this because my husband has called almost every person in the area we live in, it's 4 cities. Just sayin'.

It is true that most countries do speak English, but it's also true that many Americans (myself and family included) travel to other countries with no basic knowledge of the language. I traveled to England, Ireland and Amsterdam while in college and of course, in England and Ireland, it was easy to get by, but in Amsterdam, my friends and I were completely lost and had a hard time getting around because we were totally unprepared.  We got lost and when we tried to ask for directions or help, we were often turned away for not knowing the language. 

To agree with you, I think if you are living in a country you should definitely know enough to get by.  After my experience, you should definitely have a basic understanding of key phrases to get by when you are traveling! But also, I remember seeing from the other post yesterday. The US doesn't actually have a national language and there are many areas where most of the population speak another language, so they don't really have to learn English to get by.

And to be a little inflammatory, I don't know if I'd consider the speech of some Americans, who are from areas of the South and Appalachian Mountains, enough English to get by. 

authorofdreamz

mabenner1:

There's a huge difference between not letting your child get hurt the same way multiple times, and putting them in a "bubble."  Common sense dictates that you prevent your child from getting hurt when you can help it.

So what about when your teaching them to ride a bike or roller skate and they fall and scrape their knee are you going to stop teaching them? No. They are going to hurt the same way many times and it is perfectly 'preventable'.

Liz1485

raepny2:

Liz1485:

To be fair, most of the big well-developed countries do speak english. At least enough of it to get by. Now, on the subject of speaking enough Spanish to get by, my husband works as an army recruiter in California. There are a ton of Mexicans here, they are the majority. He makes phone calls all day long, from 8:30 am - 5 pm to houses with high schoolers. He also does house calls  to them, to see if the kids are interested. Most of the houses don't have english speaking parents at all. The only english they know is "no english" They're not trying. They don't know enough to get by. He has to go everywhere with one of the other recruiters who speaks spanish because these people don't bother to learn. Their kids know english, of course, because they're in schools here.

My point is that most of them are not trying, as was posted earlier today, I don't remember by who. I know this because my husband has called almost every person in the area we live in, it's 4 cities. Just sayin'.

It is true that most countries do speak English, but it's also true that many Americans (myself and family included) travel to other countries with no basic knowledge of the language. I traveled to England, Ireland and Amsterdam while in college and of course, in England and Ireland, it was easy to get by, but in Amsterdam, my friends and I were completely lost and had a hard time getting around because we were totally unprepared.  We got lost and when we tried to ask for directions or help, we were often turned away for not knowing the language. 

To agree with you, I think if you are living in a country you should definitely know enough to get by.  After my experience, you should definitely have a basic understanding of key phrases to get by when you are traveling! But also, I remember seeing from the other post yesterday. The US doesn't actually have a national language and there are many areas where most of the population speak another language, so they don't really have to learn English to get by.

And to be a little inflammatory, I don't know if I'd consider the speech of some Americans, who are from areas of the South and Appalachian Mountains, enough English to get by. 

I agree and I'm from the south lol. I have a friend from lousiana and for the longest time I couldn't understand a word he said. Damn Cajuns!

xraychick07

If I ever go to Disney World or any other super crowded place with DD, your bet your butt she will be on a leash. Better then losing her or her getting kidnapped!!

honeybee #1

I'm starting to think that guardianship or custody of a child should function somewhat similar to common law marriage. If you leave your child with someone else and disappear you don't get your kid back.

Example: My DH is the non-primary custodial parent of our son and the primary custodial parent of our older daughter. Their mother hasn't seen or spoken to them in well over a year. I shouldn't have to hunt her down to adopt them. She up and left them with us and I feel that custody of the kids should completely default to us.

Example 2: DH's aunt has a grandson that lives with her and her DH. He has lived with them for his entire life. They should have custody by default.

Vieve831

authorofdreamz:

mabenner1:

There's a huge difference between not letting your child get hurt the same way multiple times, and putting them in a "bubble."  Common sense dictates that you prevent your child from getting hurt when you can help it.

So what about when your teaching them to ride a bike or roller skate and they fall and scrape their knee are you going to stop teaching them? No. They are going to hurt the same way many times and it is perfectly 'preventable'.

This is completely different than allowing an infant under the age of 9mos to fall down a step in a walker daily. I'm not trying to personally attack you, but you keep changing the subject and bringing up different things to illustrate a point instead of paying attention to what everyone is saying to you.

Liz1485

honeybee #1:

I'm starting to think that guardianship or custody of a child should function somewhat similar to common law marriage. If you leave your child with someone else and disappear you don't get your kid back.

Example: My DH is the non-primary custodial parent of our son and the primary custodial parent of our older daughter. Their mother hasn't seen or spoken to them in well over a year. I shouldn't have to hunt her down to adopt them. She up and left them with us and I feel that custody of the kids should completely default to us.

Example 2: DH's aunt has a grandson that lives with her and her DH. He has lived with them for his entire life. They should have custody by default.

Agree. My aunt sent both of her kids to live with my grandma when they were 7ish and didn't see them again until they were 16 I think. My grandma never had custody, never adopted them, but they saw her as mom and still did until she died last year. If something had happened when they'd have needed the legal guardian for something it would have been a nightmare because the mom moved back to California and was living her "free love" lifestyle. Damn Hippies!

HollyBerry25

Natty13umppo:

Why not a badge that says "All Moms Rock! (regardless of employment status) "

 

epopp85

ashleylach:

Sorry, ignore that because my comments came out terribly!

What I meant to say was that normally I would probably let your comment go, but today is not one of those days.  Case in point, I went back and did my research and I am going to quote you word for word from the "Food and Practice" post below:

1) "They don't need any additional calories during the first year and the amount of milk consumed should not decrease during the first year.  Its not for nutrition.  It doesn't matter if they eat solids or not."

2) "But they still need milk more than they need the meats and veggies and the yogurt."

3) "Basically: solids in the first year= not necessary.  Milk in the first year= extremely important. The end."

Now you tell me if those statements= no opinion on when people should start feeding their babies solids.  I think not!

 

Well aren't we in a mood today.

beedawn

authorofdreamz:

Another U/PO: I hate when debates turn into personal attacks. 

This. This is the Internet, not English class. Coming to personally attack someone based on their spelling/grammar skills is silly. If you want to be snakry, have a reason besides they spelled something wrong or forgot a comma. 

dpeugh85

Lately the stupid on this board has been astonishing.  I cringe when I open a lot of the posts, and laugh at the arrogance and sheer stupidity of some of the posters.

Smilelari I appreciate your feedback on the board.  I know you can take a hardline with some of your stances, but no one can ever say you haven't researched your topics or are uneducated on what you speak about.

Vieve - thank you for pointing out the glaring hypocrisy today.  Seriously, give it up already.  Also, I agree with you on your break down of the EBF/EFF debate.  That is exactly how I see it too.

I'll agree on thinking badges are dumb, but it doesn't affect my life so I can't really give two poops about it.  I just won't include them in my own siggy.

Strollers/diaper bags/desiner clothing/etc.  I don't care.  If your baby is fed, dry and has all their needs being met, great.  You can carry all your stuff around in a Walmart plastic bag for all I care.

Continuing to use "they" when discussing "illegals" (just because someone's skin isn't white does not automatically qualify them as an illegal), specifically Latinos, is ignorant.  Realize this board is not specific to white moms who live in America and your terminology is not only offensive, but extremely inflammatory.

ashday

HarperK:

I don't understand the fuss over 50 Shades of Grey. Some of my friends have been reading it and they act like E.L. James invented erotic literature. Gahh! I tried reading it, and it is So. Bad. Not even so-bad-it's-good, not guilty-pleasure bad, just plain ol' freaking BAD. Bad writing, dumb characters, cheesyass sex scenes. And my friends thought I stopped reading it because I was being a prude. Noooo. I think it's cool that more people are reading erotica now, but why did it have to be THIS book (series of books, rather) that brought erotica into the mainstream?

I guess my UO goes with this... What is the pull  in wanting to read books about other people having sex? I think that it is kinda gross honestly.

mbgreenwalt

dpeugh85:

Lately the stupid on this board has been astonishing.  I cringe when I open a lot of the posts, and laugh at the arrogance and sheer stupidity of some of the posters.

Smilelari I appreciate your feedback on the board.  I know you can take a hardline with some of your stances, but no one can ever say you haven't researched your topics or are uneducated on what you speak about.

Vieve - thank you for pointing out the glaring hypocrisy today.  Seriously, give it up already.  Also, I agree with you on your break down of the EBF/EFF debate.  That is exactly how I see it too.

I'll agree on thinking badges are dumb, but it doesn't affect my life so I can't really give two poops about it.  I just won't include them in my own siggy.

Strollers/diaper bags/desiner clothing/etc.  I don't care.  If your baby is fed, dry and has all their needs being met, great.  You can carry all your stuff around in a Walmart plastic bag for all I care.

Continuing to use "they" when discussing "illegals" (just because someone's skin isn't white does not automatically qualify them as an illegal), specifically Latinos, is ignorant.  Realize this board is not specific to white moms who live in America and your terminology is not only offensive, but extremely inflammatory.

Agree.  I can't do a thumbs up on my stupid work Mac. 

authorofdreamz

Vieve831:

This is completely different than allowing an infant under the age of 9mos to fall down a step in a walker daily. I'm not trying to personally attack you, but you keep changing the subject and bringing up different things to illustrate a point instead of paying attention to what everyone is saying to you.

I'm not changing the subject I'm illustrating the point that kids are going to get hurt get used to it or get a bubble and that wasn't even my main point it was just a side note but everyone chose to focus on it and insult me when I didn't even do it nor did I ever say it was a good thing!

ashday

smilelari:

ashleylach:

smilelari:

Natty13umppo:

My UO is related to last week's UO Working Mom vs. SAHM debate:

The "SAHM Rock!", "Working Moms Rock!" bump badges really irritate me.  I have no problem with someone identifying as a SAHM or a working mom, but to add the "rocks!" at the end just implies that the other one doesn't.

The other badges seem so straight forward:  "EBF", "c-section mama", "I went natural!".... nothing to imply better than the alternative.

Why not a badge that says "All Moms Rock! (regardless of employment status) "

 

Sort of related.  My unpop opinion is that anyone that has introduced solids should take the EBF badge out of their siggy.  If LO is eating solids they are not EBF

And this is opinion n?mero 3) who are you to tell someone they should remove their badge because they choose to feed solids prior to whatever standard you feel is right? I better see your EBF badge come off when you start feeding your daughter solids if not you would be the biggest hypocrite!

I have no badges.  I've decided they are all pretty lame.  And I have no opinion on when other people start solids.  I just don't think you should make false claims

Smilelari, you do too have an opinion on when people start feeding solids. Every time someone has a question about it, you reply with not starting til 6 months. That right there is an opinion.

adri77

skipperkelly:

Well I definitley won't be able to top that!

I think it's silly to spend hundreds of dollars on a stroller. It seems pretentious and I can't imagine it's all that better than a resonably priced stroller. Who needs all the bells and whistles anyways?

If you are going to have more than one child, trust me, it's totally worth it.  I wish I had just bought a nicer one up front, 6 years ago. 

ashday

smilelari:

I was opposed to leashes until I had a walking/running toddler.  Now I think they have their place as you are teaching them to hold hands.  This is a skill they must learn and while they are learning you don't want to lose a toddler.  We don't use a leash any more, but while we were learning to walk and not run off in public places we definitely did.  I prefer the use of the leash to the overuse of the stroller (which many people use to confine their toddlers that really should be walking).  At least with the leash the kid gets to walk and to learn.

I have to agree that I like the leashes for certain instances. It's nice when you don't care if they are holding your hand, but still don't want them running off and doing whatever they want.

vanessa11411

xraychick07:

If I ever go to Disney World or any other super crowded place with DD, your bet your butt she will be on a leash. Better then losing her or her getting kidnapped!!

Or you could just watch your kid. We took DD to Disneyland twice a year since she was 2, she is now 8. Not once did she run off, get lost, or get kidnapped.

vanessa11411

Edit: double post

 

ashday

Christine&Mario:

authorofdreamz:

On the Walker subject my FI apparently LOVED his walker and walked at 9m old so much for delaying walking. Oh and he would also fall down the step in it at least once a day and is perfectly fine.

Umm... your FI used to fall down the stairs EVERY DAY as a baby? I came out in favor of the walkers but I live in a one story home and if I didn't you could be sure I would be securing all stairwell entries!

I love the walkers, but when my younger siblings were using them, my mom always made sure that no stairwells were available for going down. That said I would definitely be careful of that!

mrsjenniferg2010

authorofdreamz:

Vieve831:

This is completely different than allowing an infant under the age of 9mos to fall down a step in a walker daily. I'm not trying to personally attack you, but you keep changing the subject and bringing up different things to illustrate a point instead of paying attention to what everyone is saying to you.

I'm not changing the subject I'm illustrating the point that kids are going to get hurt get used to it or get a bubble and that wasn't even my main point it was just a side note but everyone chose to focus on it and insult me when I didn't even do it nor did I ever say it was a good thing!

Yeah children are going to get hurt, but there is no reason to allow your child to get hurt if it is preventable. Like your FI falling down the step everyday. I would never allow my kids to keep getting hurt over and over again like that. As parents its our job to do our job to prevent them from getting hurt the best we can. Like with learning to ride a bike you can buy helmets and pads to help them from getting badly hurt.

xraychick07

vjimenez11:

xraychick07:

If I ever go to Disney World or any other super crowded place with DD, your bet your butt she will be on a leash. Better then losing her or her getting kidnapped!!

Or you could just watch your kid. We took DD to Disneyland twice a year since she was 2, she is now 8. Not once did she run off, get lost, or get kidnapped.

Yea, I could watch my kid, you're right. But realistically, you can take your eye off your kid for a second and they can disappear. It's a sick world out there. Just because your kid doesn't run off doesn't mean mine wouldn't run off after something either as soon as I turned my head.

sap05e

beedawn:

authorofdreamz:

Another U/PO: I hate when debates turn into personal attacks. 

This. This is the Internet, not English class. Coming to personally attack someone based on their spelling/grammar skills is silly. If you want to be snakry, have a reason besides they spelled something wrong or forgot a comma. 

SNAKRY!!! *points finger at you*  

beedawn

sap05e:

beedawn:

authorofdreamz:

Another U/PO: I hate when debates turn into personal attacks. 

This. This is the Internet, not English class. Coming to personally attack someone based on their spelling/grammar skills is silly. If you want to be snakry, have a reason besides they spelled something wrong or forgot a comma. 

SNAKRY!!! *points finger at you*  

Lol! I'm bumping from my phone. 

LadyMadrid08

skipperkelly:

I think it's silly to spend hundreds of dollars on a stroller. It seems pretentious and I can't imagine it's all that better than a resonably priced stroller. Who needs all the bells and whistles anyways?

I would agree with you if I didn't live in a city where public transportation is my main form of getting around.  I thank god every day I bought my bugaboo (secondhand btw) because it is a seriously superior stroller and ROCKS for getting on and off buses all day long.  The huge bag is also amazing for storing the raincover, blankets, the ergo, and/or the moby while I'm out all day with no access to a car.  In short, it's totally worth it if you live somewhere where you need it. 

sap05e

beedawn:

sap05e:

beedawn:

authorofdreamz:

Another U/PO: I hate when debates turn into personal attacks. 

This. This is the Internet, not English class. Coming to personally attack someone based on their spelling/grammar skills is silly. If you want to be snakry, have a reason besides they spelled something wrong or forgot a comma. 

SNAKRY!!! *points finger at you*  

Lol! I'm bumping from my phone. 

Excuses! You just need to take some spelling lessons. 

sap05e

LadyMadrid08:

skipperkelly:

I think it's silly to spend hundreds of dollars on a stroller. It seems pretentious and I can't imagine it's all that better than a resonably priced stroller. Who needs all the bells and whistles anyways?

I would agree with you if I didn't live in a city where public transportation is my main form of getting around.  I thank god every day I bought my bugaboo (secondhand btw) because it is a seriously superior stroller and ROCKS for getting on and off buses all day long.  The huge bag is also amazing for storing the raincover, blankets, the ergo, and/or the moby while I'm out all day with no access to a car.  In short, it's totally worth it if you live somewhere where you need it. 

Your siggy pic is making me want a dog. Cute overload. 

smilelari

ashday:

Smilelari, you do too have an opinion on when people start feeding solids. Every time someone has a question about it, you reply with not starting til 6 months. That right there is an opinion.

I already addressed this (but the thread is long and hard to read through now).

I have opinions on virtually everything, as does everyone else.  When people ask about solids, I post the current recs from the various health organizations as well as what I would do (which is wait until 6 months or later).  If you decide to go ahead and start solids earlier than what I would, well that's your own business.  Your baby, do what you want.  I really don't give a flying fig what you do, but if you ask me what I would do and how I feel, well then I will tell you what I would do in your situation.

And my opinion in this post wasn't about when people should start solids.  Regardless of when you start solids, if you are feeding solids you aren't EBF and should remove the badge from your siggy.  'Tis my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Katie996

xraychick07:

If I ever go to Disney World or any other super crowded place with DD, your bet your butt she will be on a leash. Better then losing her or her getting kidnapped!!

 

Agree with this.   

gracefulruby33

skipperkelly:

I definitely don't feel as if I'm being 'flashy' with my badges. For me it's just a way to identify myself and to identify others. I don't have them on there to brag but I do think it's helpful to see them when you are replying to posts and they help me to understand where the person is coming from.

This. I could really care less if someone EBF, is a proud FF, had a c-section or went natural (!). But when someone comments on something, it is helpful to know a little bit about their parenting styles/experiences. I have badges to help identify myself to strangers when I comment on something. No one wants "Do you EBF?" 50 times on one thread. It's just easier sometimes.

Spending a ton of money on a stroller (or diaper bag, or anything for that matter, when it comes to baby), is a personal decision. I love our travel system (Britax B-Agile and B-Safe), I love my PPB diaper bag that was way too much money, I love spending too much money on baby clothes that Elowyn will grow out of too soon. But these times don't last forever. Spend money on what you want and enjoy it!!!

 

Zooropa10

Estwd2:

skipperkelly:

I think it's silly to spend hundreds of dollars on a stroller. It seems pretentious and I can't imagine it's all that better than a resonably priced stroller. Who needs all the bells and whistles anyways?

I definitely don't think I needed my Uppababy Cruz, but I love it and admit that it kind of makes me pretentious. But in my defense, I looked around a whole lot and other strollers just didn't compare. They were either too bulky (travel systems), too ugly (3-wheel jogging stroller make me gag!), too small (I like a biiiiiig baskets), etc. This one fit. Aaaaand yes, I do kind of like the attention it draws when people look at me enviously and say "ooooo, what stroller is that?" So yeah, pretentious.

 

I love this. and I am kind of a "stroller snob" myself. We "invested" in a phil and ted with a peg car seat adaptor. And when I see people with other nice strollers that I have researched and considered (like the UppaBaby, which is awesome)... I totally scope them out. We jokingly call our stroller the Mercedes Benz of baby buggies. haha. 

Katie996

I don't care what you compare it to.  Allowing your child to intentionally go down 1 STAIR or 10 stairs in a walker is completely foolish. TONS of children are seriously injured by ACCIDENTALLY doing this.., and you certainly are not putting your child in a "bubble" by NOT allowing them to do this.

 

Katie996

klreese0213:

Kate- as i agree to an extent on the walker. I just find them a tad dangerous. But as some of the other ladies said- theres no real difference between a walker, jumperoo, etc. If anything id think a walker would be better then a jumperoo since the LO can practice walking. Nonetheless, you keep referring to your Dr, as if this was more their unpopular opinion rather then your own.

My unpopular opinion- LO watches tv and loves it. We watch one episode of mickey mouse clubhouse and little einsteins once per day. And if i need her entertained while i cook dinner sometimes i on-demand little einsteins. Judge away. I dont think her growth will be affected by a few shows spaced out through the day. Plus it helps my sanity.

 

Well, yes... i tend to agree with my doctor's opinion... unpopular or not.  

jenni888

dpeugh85:

Continuing to use "they" when discussing "illegals" (just because someone's skin isn't white does not automatically qualify them as an illegal), specifically Latinos, is ignorant.  Realize this board is not specific to white moms who live in America and your terminology is not only offensive, but extremely inflammatory.

I heart you. Many American posters may be too far removed from when their own ancestors were immigrants to care, but some of us are first generation. *raises hand*