July 2018 Moms

Rainbow Babies... post may trigger some.

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Re: Rainbow Babies... post may trigger some.

  • @acunamatada I saw you posted on the BFing post about just weaning. I’m very curious and you don’t have to answer if you don’t want to, but did you have your loss WHILE you were still breastfeeding?
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  • @tgortney I'm sorry you're there, hon. Vent to us all you want. Sending you a creepy internet hug. 
  • @tgortney I did, but it was ectopic so I don't think it was really related. 
    I know what you mean by preparing yourself for the worst. I did the same, trying not to get too attached, just in case. PGAL brain gets the best of you sometimes. 
  • @christycalifornia thank you! I don’t know many people who I can talk to about it without it being awkward. I think most people don’t want to talk about pregnancy unless it’s rainbows and unicorns :/ definitely not after a loss.

    @acunamatada ah ok. Both my losses have been during breastfeeding. My OB is 100% that it’s not related but it doesn’t make logical sense to me since prolactin messes with progesterone which sustains a pregnancy. 

    PGA2L is killing me. I have my first blood draw tomorrow at 5 weeks and 1 day then going back Thursday!

    can anyone explain to me what Betas are? I assume it’s HCG? They said they’re testing HCG and progesterone tomorrow
  • acunamatadaacunamatada member
    edited November 2017
    @tgortney betas are just another term for the hcg test to see if they're doubling properly. 
    I don't know if it was the ectopic or not but when I bf'd I did get extra crampy. But tbh my whole uterus was just an unhappy mess through that whole ordeal so it could be totally unrelated. I know there are tons of women that have healthy pregnancies while breastfeeding but who knows, really. 
    Good luck with your betas!
  • @acunamatada I’m sorry you went through that! But yeah, who knows. I just don’t think there’s enough research about breastfeeding in general to make such solid claims like my OB did. Anyways, thank you!!
  • @AKFarmerBecky Thank you for sharing. Your post made me happy-cry at the end. We’ll hold hope with you. <3
  • @AKFarmerBecky I’m so sorry for your losses. Seriously, one loss is enough but multiple losses is defeating. I’m glad you’re able to take all the precautions possible.

    I’m also on progesterone on top of taking prenatal, magnesium, fish oil and B complex. 
  • @artemis618 I’m sorry you’re in this thread but I’m glad you’re here. :) If and when you’re ready, feel free to start a sex reveal thread or just share. It’s hard not to be worried all the time, for sure. We’ll celebrate all the good news with you and hold hope with you. <3
  • @tgortney I'm sorry you're feeling this way. I think what you are feeling is normal. I bet the first ultrasound will ease some of the anxiety and indifference you are feeling.  <3 virtual hugs
  • @artemis618 *waves* nice to see you again!

    @tgortney I am sorry you're going through this, but please know that you are not alone. I have been going to an RE for years now due to unexplained early pregnancy loss. I can totally relate. I wish I could have the sheer excitement and joy that other expecting moms have, but my experience is one of closely monitoring betas, weekly ultrasounds, daily injections, and endless worry.

    Once again, feel free to vent whenever you need to and I wish you the best
  • @tgortney I️ am so sorry for your loss. My loss was while BF and the nurse practitioner told me it was most likely due to BFing... That all the nutrients were going to me and DS and none to my pregnancy. I was so upset after receiving that news and had so so much guilt. A) because I wanted Irish twins and got pregnant as fast as I could and b) I dried up from the pregnancy so I had to stop nursing my son. I was devestated all around and felt so guilty. Now, a couple years later,  I’m not so sure I believe the NP because I’ve come across so many women who successfully nurse through their pregnancy but we will see. Looking back i often wonder if it may have been from drinking mothers milk and taking supplements for my supply. 

    Anywho for an update i had blood work done today - find out the results tomorrow and a sono scheduled for 11-28. Got a super dark positive on the tests i had been getting faint ones. Still not getting super excited but it definitely helps a little. 
  • I had a flashback today that I didn't expect. My first loss was at seven weeks, he or she should have been a July baby and we had been planning a Christmas reveal for our families. It hadn't even crossed my mind that the timing was so similar until today when I started looking up cute Christmas reveal ideas, it was jarring. Now I'm gunshy about planning this reveal and I don't want to be. I want to try and embrace every minute of this pregnancy because it is (hopefully) my last one. PGAL brain sucks. 
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  • edited November 2017
    @tgortney Hey, keep your head and hope for the best. But I also understand. I’m trying not to be a total wreck. Had a miscarriage in April 2017 at 5w6d (blighted Ovum) with fibroids. Right now I’m 5w3d. Just got my 3rd hcg and it’s extremely low. The waiting for the unknown is enough to drive you crazy. We are going to be ok.
  • Thank you for all the love and replies, everyone. This BMB is already so supportive. I love it. Us PGAL moms need all the love energy we can get :) 

    @comealongponds I feel like I’ve seen you in the April 18 BMB or am I making that up?

    I was briefly part of Jan 18 and April 18... I got along really well with April 18 BMB and was sad to go.
  • @comealongponds Your name is rad. I've had Amelia/Amy on my list since my daughter, and it's still on the top!
  • @tgortney wasn't me! We just started trying in September after my boys turned one.

    @christycalifornia thank you! I adore Amelia but it's DHs cousins name  :(
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  • I’ve been looking into this due to my loss in July (DS was 1 and I was nursing him). Now I’m still nursing him and was just put on a progesterone supplement because it was low. I read that nursing can lower progesterone (not always, but sometimes) so I’m wondering if that was a factor in my loss since I had no issues when pregnant with DS. 
  • @kburg15 I’m so glad you’re on progesterone. I’ve since weaned and am now on progesterone. I know women nurse and get pregnant all the time but most women don’t breastfeed close to 12m and even after. I can see how progesterone could increase just enough for pregnancy but not enough to sustain it. Hope I didn’t freak you out by mentioning it! It’s just something that’s been on my mind ever since my first loss and my second consecutive loss cannot be a coincidence (in my mind).
  • @tgortney no not at all! While I’d never wish it on anyone, I’m happy for the support and perspective. Actually my mom suggested it, which made me do some googling. That makes a lot of sense to me though about getting pregnant, but not sustaining a pregnancy, and seems even more backed up by the low level in this pregnancy.
    I plan to ask my midwives about this though and if this is at all common of nursing mothers, I’d think they’d want to give them a heads up just in case they’re looking to get pregnant. If I had known in July that that was a possibility and a progesterone test could’ve been done, I would have been in the office weeks earlier requesting that test and trying to do everything I could to prevent a loss. But now I’m venting. I really appreciate all the information and support on this bmb and this thread in particular 
  • @kburg15 I just want to throw my story out there because your story sounds eerily similar to mine. 

    I got pregnant in May when DS was 12m while still nursing and had my first loss. I continued to nurse because my OBs told me there was absolutely no way BFing caused miscarriages and it was 100% safe, brushed it off as a fluke and something common. I then got pregnant in July when DS was 14m and had my second loss. All my losses have stopped growing at the same time, around 5 weeks. 

    I decided to wean when DS was 16 months. I had my first real period since my pregnancy with DS and not nursing. We TTC and now I’m here. Weaned and on progesterone. We’ll find out in 3 weeks time if BFing was really the cause or if I just have crappy luck. 

    Anyways, I wish I would have done some tests with my last loss and went on progesterone like you so I’d say you’re doing all you can right now!!
  • tgortneytgortney member
    edited November 2017
    This mom shares her number 1 tip about PGAL. 

    https://youtu.be/I2XGKVgoLvs

    if you have 5 mins, watch this. I’m crying.

    She’s inspired me. I will not let fear ruin the time I have with this LO. He/she deserves the same excitement I gave my other babies.

    PS the camera zooming in and out is kinda annoying but the message is so beautiful.
  • @tgortney thank you for sharing! That is so beautiful and how I try to look at thing. I lost my first pregnancy at 9 weeks. With my son, I had some bleeding right around 6 weeks and I just assumed the worst. Being PGAL makes it so hard to assume the best. I have a hard time talking about my first loss, but this thread makes me feel a little safer.  <3 to all of you ladies. 
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    <3 Married 6.12.10 <3
    DS 11.8.12
     Baby GIRL! due 7.4.18
  • @tgortney thank you for sharing! Mine also stopped growing around 5 weeks, so very similar to your story. So many positive vibes for both of us and these pregnancies!
  • Does anyone else watch "this is us" ??  And completely lose it at the end last night?? I'm wondering if it was hormones, my previous losses, or a combination of both. 

    My husband didn't say or do anything. I think he was caught a bit off guard considering I never cry... but man, I was a wreck! Lol
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  • Does anyone else watch "this is us" ??  And completely lose it at the end last night?? I'm wondering if it was hormones, my previous losses, or a combination of both. 

    My husband didn't say or do anything. I think he was caught a bit off guard considering I never cry... but man, I was a wreck! Lol
    Yes. I was a disaster...  I go by Kate.... that last line hit so close to home I full on ugly cried....  My husband has suggested we don't watch anymore episodes until after 1st tri...
  • Hi Ladies! Thanks for starting this board. I am sending prayers for sticky babies to all of you. 

    Trigger Warning - This is my fourth pregnancy with no take home babies as yet. My first two pregnancies were lost very early - 1st at 5 wks and the second at 10 wks. The second was a MMC and my doctor sent me to an abortion clinic for my D&C - that was seriously the worst day of my life. After that experience, I switched doctors when I found out I was pregnant with my third. My new doctor immediately did a blood panel and found that I am MTHFR positive and therefore, my body does not process folic acid. He put me on lovenox injections, baby aspirin, and a folate supplement. I was totally convinced everything was going to be okay. Then, our genetic screening test showed positive for down's syndrome. At our level two ultrasound, we discovered that our baby had severe cystic hygroma (basically there was excess fluid in every cavity of his body). We decided after that appointment to name him Elijah and prayed for the best. At my 16 weeks check up, we discovered he had no heart beat. His little heart just could not keep up with all of the excess fluid. I was devastated! I think the hardest part for me was I kept reading all the statistics and at every little milestone, I would be like "yes, we are going to make it." 

    This time around, my doctor put me on clomid to conceive and we were successful in the first round. I just took a pregnancy test and got it confirmed today at the doctor's office. I have had all of my medications and treatments on board since the day after I ovulated, so I am hopeful. 

    I go back and forth everyday between believing it is true and being hopeful to thinking my body is just playing a trick on me and it's not really happening. I am also a little worried that I could be carrying multiples - I have been having a lot of twinges and growing pains that in the past pregnancies have not occurred until much later. I booked my first US today for Dec. 4th so I guess I will just have to wait and see. 


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    BFP #1 Dec 2015 - CP Dec 2015 
    BFP #2 Jan 2016 - MC March 2016 
    BFP #3 May 2017 - Down Syndrome dx @ 12 wks - MC August 2016 

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  • aimsforyou2014 I am sorry about your experiences that you have been through. I would have switched doctors as well. My last pregnancy was a little boy who we learned had passed at our 16 week appointment as well. This will be my fourth pregnancy as well and I feel like everything, as far as the soreness and twinges and RLP is happening sooner. Which I will take as a good sign. Wishing you the best and if you need someone to reach out, always feel free to reach out this group or me. 

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  • KatyF0813 said:
    Does anyone else watch "this is us" ??  And completely lose it at the end last night?? I'm wondering if it was hormones, my previous losses, or a combination of both. 

    My husband didn't say or do anything. I think he was caught a bit off guard considering I never cry... but man, I was a wreck! Lol
    Yes. I was a disaster...  I go by Kate.... that last line hit so close to home I full on ugly cried....  My husband has suggested we don't watch anymore episodes until after 1st tri...
     Yes! I don't go by Kate, but I am 36 and overweight.... i told my husband, after I finally got it together, that I don't think I'll be able to watch next week. I actually think I'm with you... I'll wait until January to catch up. 
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  • Thanks for sharing @tgortney!  I think DH needs that as much as I do. With our first pregnancy, I swear he didn’t even believe I was pregnant till he saw the heartbeat after 8 weeks.  With that pregnancy we were very tentative (I was 38), so my goal for this is to treat this one better (more positively) than my first one.
    About me:
    Married 6/18/16 (Me 42, DH 44), TTC #2
    ***TW***
    Natural BFP 8/10/16 --> mc our NIPT-normal little girl at 11w5d on 10/1/16 :(
    As of 12/2016:  AMH 1.42, FSH 6.1, AFC ~10
    Self-benched Nov-Dec 2016 for
    IVF #1 Jan-Feb 2017 (OCP, testosterone primed antagonist w/HGH - ER 2/2/17 - 12R, 7M ICSI'd, 3F, 0B)
    IVF #2 Mar-Apr 2017 (testosterone primed agonist/luteal lupron w/HGH - ER 4/8/17 - 10R, 8M, 8F, 5B, 1 PGS normal)
    IVF #3 May-Jun 2017 (testosterone primed agonist/luteal lupron w/HGH - ER 6/4/17 - 14R, 5F, 3B, 0 normal)
    **New RE**
    IVF #4 Sept 2017 (natural start microdose lupron flare w/HGH - ER 9/28/17 - 33R, 18F, 10B, 4 PGS normals!)
    FET #1 (medicated) of one PGS normal 4AA XX 11/2/17 - Beta #1 11/11/17 (153), Beta #2 11/13/17 (324), mc at 5w1d on 11/19/17 :(
    IVF #5 Dec 2017 - Insemination of 9 frozen eggs from 2012 (8F, 1B, 0 normal)
    Jan 2018 - Natural cycle ERA (normal/receptive) & stimming for
    IVF #6 Jan-Feb 2018 (natural start microdose lupron flare w/HGH - ER 2/3/18 - 17R, 6M, 4F, 0 blasts)
    IVF #7 Feb 2018 (natural start microdose lupron flare w/HGH - ER 2/26/18 - 19R, 9M, 9F, 4B, 2 PGS normals)
    FET #2 Apr 2018 (natural cycle w/o trigger, w/P4 support) of one PGS normal 4AA- XX 4/5/18 - Beta #1 4/14/18 (67), Beta #2 4/16/18 (231)
    Rainbow baby girl born 12/16/2018 (via c-section, induced at 39 weeks)

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    TFAS!
    FET #3 Dec 2019 (natural cycle w/o trigger, w/P4 support) of one PGS normal 3BB XY 12/16/19 - Beta #1 12/24/19 (139), Beta #2 12/27/19 (482)

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  • @artemis618 I’m having my DH watch it too. I think he also needs this message but he’s usually way more positive than I am but I know he’ll be happy if I am happy and he show his full excitement to me.
  • @aimsforyou2014 I'm so sorry for all your losses, and for little Elijah. What a sweet, little life. Thank you for sharing with us. We'll hold hope for you and your baby. I'm glad you have a new doctor, and I was also convinced I was carrying multiples because of a rapid rise in HGC and how quickly everything started this time as well. Nope! Just one little sac in there. I heard our bodies go into memory mode if it's not our first time? Maybe because you carried Elijah for so long that's happening to you. Or maybe it's twins! Who knows?! Either way, I'm sorry you're here, but I'm so completely happy that you're here. <3
  • Hey ladies! 
    So DH and I have been watching a show called Orville( its like star trek, but funny). I have really enjoyed it, but last nights episode was really disturbing. I know they were trying to draw a connection to the controversy of circumcision, but it was about this alien race who is all male, but they had a baby girl and they see it as a birth defect and they gave her a sex change. 1 parent wanted to let her be special and the other didn't so it came to trial and the entire time I thought its a funny show, of course she will stay a girl... well I was wrong. I was so disturbed I had nightmares all night.

    I think it brings to light the fucked up things we do to our LOs because it seems normal and society views it as fine. It made me sick to my stomach.

    I will probably still watch another episode tonight... but needless to say, I'm not happy.
  • @Katm89 wait, what? You do know a sex change is actually a thing and totally different than circumcision, right? Obviously a weird show you’re watching, but not quite sure how you made that connection... also, I am a loss mama so I check out this board, but got confused by this post and just wanted to clarify for anyone who may not know- sex change, circumcision- totally different. Or there’d be a lot more girls in this world...
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  • lucky13mamalucky13mama member
    edited November 2017
    @Katm89 there’s also other posts I think this would be more appropriate to post under.

    *edited because TB ate my words
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  • Katm89 said:
    Hey ladies! 
    So DH and I have been watching a show called Orville( its like star trek, but funny). I have really enjoyed it, but last nights episode was really disturbing. I know they were trying to draw a connection to the controversy of circumcision, but it was about this alien race who is all male, but they had a baby girl and they see it as a birth defect and they gave her a sex change. 1 parent wanted to let her be special and the other didn't so it came to trial and the entire time I thought its a funny show, of course she will stay a girl... well I was wrong. I was so disturbed I had nightmares all night.

    I think it brings to light the fucked up things we do to our LOs because it seems normal and society views it as fine. It made me sick to my stomach.

    I will probably still watch another episode tonight... but needless to say, I'm not happy.


    @Katm89 this is an inappropriate place for this, but since you've dropped it here and I'm having a shitty day, I'm going to respond.

    Seth MacFarlane has always said that The Orville is not a straight up comedy, it is a drama with comedic relief (think M*A*S*H), so if you're looking for laughs, this show probably isn't for you.

    They weren't at all trying to equate gender reassignment surgery on an infant alien with human cirsumcision. Like at all. They specifically equate being born female in that species as being similar to being born with a cleft lip and palate - it's seen as a disability. The Orville takes on some pretty heavy stuff, as a lot of sci fi is wont to do and while they try to do it with a veil of comedy it can get pretty dark. 

    This is article pretty much sums up my thoughts on the episode. The show is strugginling and misses the mark sometimes and while I could see where they were going with this episode, it wasn't overly well executed. 


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    back to our regularly scheduled rainbow baby programming. 
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  • @comealongponds Sorry you're having a bad day. <3
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