Regarding Tdap and tetanus boosters. Tdap is the vaccine that protects against tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis (the last one causes whooping cough). Most adults have insurance that only covers one Tdap shot ever but as PP have mentioned, you can often get it yourself at a pharmacy (or public health department) without involving a doctor or insurance. What most adults have gotten as boosters is just Td (no pertussis protection). Many states have an online immunization registry that patients can access publicly (you may need to enter info like your birthdate and social security number).
I totally agree that you should use your provider as leverage when talking to family (blame your suggestion on the strong recommendation of your kiddo's doc).
Also, if anyone has free time (ha!) and wants to dive into an interesting read about immunization, "On Immunity" by Eula Biss is great. I'm about halfway through.
ETA: Littles, if they are following the standard vaccine schedule, should get a decent amount of Tdap protection in the first year since the series starts right away. (See screenshot)
@ShadeofGreen816 thinking about u today. It is perfectly appropriate to feel horrible for her and for you. T & P.
I know we've discussed flying and the security stuff at the airport, and I just opted out of that crazy looking machine and got a pat down. It was way more invasive than I thought it would be. She got all up in my crotch, waist band and under my boobs. I mean I know why she did it, but it was definitely uncomfortable.
Also, I am so very happy to not be at work. I had a horrible day yesterday, testifying was worse than I thought it would be. The opposing attorney tried to rip me to shreds, calling me a liar on the stand and saying I was being nosy by asking my clients what they do at their fathers house (they live there 1/2 the time(. It was traumatic and I'm not even done! I get he was doing his job as I had evidence that the dad was being negligent. But MAN!
Oh and I woke up this morning and I can't stop sneezing. I sat down at my gate and proceeded to sneeze and pee myself. Won't be at my destination until 7:30pm est. Insert eye roll emoji.
As far as the tdap my husband and I each got ours at my last appointment. My mom, dad, his wife, and MIL are also coming at various points over the first 2 months to stay and meet the baby. I've made it Pretty clear that they don't have a choice if they want to come. but since the outbreak in 2010 and 2012, some practitioners are advising adults of grandparent age to get it. My moms Doctor discussed it with her before me doctor even talked to me. And my aunt was told the same thing when my cousin was pregnant last year.
TTC1: May 2015
Primary IF May 2016; Failed HSG; Scheduled Lap Sept. 2016
Okay STM need some help. Not sure if this deserves it's own thread or not...but what questions/suggestion do you have when picking out daycare's? Peanut will be going to daycare once I head back to work (at about 11 weeks) so curious what questions you all thing are important to ask...
@rosemarylaff, we had a separate list of questions depending on if it was a center or a home, but below were the common questions. Honestly, a lot of it for us was about the general vibe/feeling we got, and we asked for multiple references for each of the four places we toured, and we asked lots of questions on those calls too.
Things we usually asked about on email before an in-person visit:
Did they have space for an infant whatever date we needed?
How much was the weekly rate?
What are the hours?
At the in-person tour/visit (but a lot of these were covered in the overview the caregiver gave, so we didn't have to ask):
How do they handle breast milk? (Some places don't at all; some require fresh brought in bottles every day; some can store frozen and will thaw every day; some toss whatever isn't finished in a feeding; and some save whatever is left to be sent home at the end of the day.)
How long has the in-home person been doing this or what is the turn-over rate of teachers at the center?
How many kiddos are there total and what ages?
What is the vacation/sick policy (for both your family and if it's an in-home, for the caregiver)?
When is payment due?
What materials do we provide versus the caregiver (i.e. formula/food, diapers, wipes, etc.)
Where do the kiddos sleep? How do they put them down?
Do they have a vaccine policy?
What is the termination policy/notification time-frame (for you and them)?
ish just got real in here! I feel like I need to get my bathroom baskets ready now. Which reminds me, I still need to buy the baskets I'll use. I think as we get closer we should do more discussion. Maybe a thread with "recipes"? haha
TDaP: My Mom is going to watch baby at her house. Yesterday I just asked her if she knew if her and Dad and current, she said probably not. I told her to do some quick reading up on it and decide if it's something they need to do as it's something H and I are getting. She responded pretty quickly that it looked like its important for baby's sake so they'll have their Dr. do at their upcoming appointment. My point is, I didn't want to tell them they HAVE TO get a shot, but I did want them to note the importance. We're definitely a pro vaccine family, but one of those more...old school ones? Like, if its something I didn't receive as a kid I want to research it and (FFFC) we don't do flu shots (H either), I've never had one. That being said, I knew my Mom would want to draw her own conclusion on it.
Speaking of the flu (not at all directed at your @nda_roxybabe - you do you!), I just got the weekly update that goes out within our department and the stats this year are quite interesting. (Given the context that last year's influenza vaccine had low efficacy and this year's version is much better - though certainly not 100% or even close!)
"Influenza activity is near peak, with outbreaks in schools, long-term care and communities. 88% of recent detections have been influenza A; 93% of A viruses are H3N2. There have been 1,211 influenza-related hospitalizations since September 1, 2016, with 138 admitted to ICU and 23 requiring mechanical ventilation. This compares to 235 hospitalizations last year at this time, and 3,763 for the 2014-2015 season. 66% of hospitalizations have been in individuals age 65 and older. Influenza A[H3N2] is less kind to elders; across the US one out of every 732 people age ≥65 has been hospitalized with laboratory-confirmed influenza."
I had never gotten the flu shot before I was pregnant, but they kept telling me I should so I went ahead and did when we had our benefits expo at work. It was quick and easy so I said what the heck might as well do it! I can't remember if H ended up getting his or not to be honest...
"A day without laughter is a day wasted." ~Charlie Chaplin
I didn't start getting the flu shot until I was pregnant with DD. Since then, I missed one year and that year I got the flu. It. was. awful. Thankfully, DD and DH got it that year and they were fine. I feel as strongly about the flu shot as I do all of the other vaccines. In fact, give my kid everything you've got. If you can prevent it, why not? (that's rhetorical)
I wish I could be anti vaccine on some of them, in the regard that I hate the idea of an engineered substance being injected, but I can't. (For one I work in a hospital, but that's not my point.) I think people underestimate the importance and purpose of vaccines. While they help prevent and protect against diseases, they also help lessen some, like the flu. People often think the flu vaccine means you don't get the flu-- which isn't how it works. But, if you do get the flu with having the vaccine, hopefully your severity of the flu is greatly decreased. My opinion is skewed by working in a hospital, where I come first hand with sick people and see my community's effect by the flu. Touching on TDaP, please talk to your provider about the longevity of the vaccine. They say a booster every 10 years, unless there's a reason (newborn baby) or incident (stepped on a rusty nail) then they move it to every 5 years. They have pregnant women get it every pregnancy to ensure there's no chance because the risk of the diseases and effects they would have are more concerning than the benefit of just not getting another shot. I don't feel like I'm doing a good job explaining myself. I'm not on a soapbox or anything, just trying to share a perspective.
I appreciate that my mom's dr brought it up to her last time and the commercials that I have seen running regarding grandparents getting the TDap didn't hurt. I was bit afraid there would be push back, but bringing up that DH and I both got it (last time) and that they suggest anyone seeing the baby get it, was enough of a motivation. I think it also made the new grandparents feel involved. Like they were doing something to prepare for the baby's arrival. My mom even pressured her insurance and got the shingles vaccine early. I will be getting it again at my next appointment (29 weeks).
I am guilty of being negligent in getting the flu shot. Prior to my last pregnancy I had never had it, but have had it since because of all the doctor visits. After the flu steamrolled my family (parents and in-laws included) this month, I cannot see any of them missing their flu shot again (except for DH who doesn't get it because he had Guillain-Barre Syndrome 11 years ago). DS and I both had the shot and our sickness was far less severe and shorter lived then everyone else.
@ShadeofGreen816 - I'm so sorry to hear about your friend. I'll send up thoughts and prayers for them.
@starphish18 - your picture immediately makes me regret the salad I just ordered for lunch
@Hansolosparka - That sucks. I hope you pass the 3 hour. It's too bad they won't let you try the one hour again since you were close.
I feel like a lurker this week, because work is bonkers, but I've had fun catching up on the thread. It's crazy to think we're planning postpartum care for "down there" already. It's getting so close!
Someone with more medical knowledge please correct me if I'm wrong, but along the same lines as passing antibodies onto baby before birth with the Tdap, isn't the flu shot the same way? Besides obviously protecting yourself against the flu does it pass the same antibodies onto baby before they are old enough to get the flu shot?
Also, FYI for FTMs, babies first flu shot is two doses! Make sure you get that first dose early in the season so you can get the second dose before the season is over!
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Someone needs to start a Vacvines thread, since so many ppl have chimed in already. Seriously! I've been thinking we've been lucky not having this might-become-a-battle up until now, but it's a convo worth having, esp. for the undecided among us.
@nda_roxybabe: The virus known as HPV (human papillomavirus) can cause symptoms & sickness in the body, and at the very basic level, a vaccine exists to prevent these illnesses. If you were in a high-risk group, just like being pregnant and being advised to get the flu vacc, why wouldn't you want to take that precaution?
Also, most importantly, this is a virus that Causes Cancer. That's akin to coming across the common cold virus out in the wild (so easy to catch!) and developing horrible cancers from it. These HPV cancers are highly preventable with the vaccine. As with any vaccine that we have available to us currently, the benefits far far outweigh any slim risks that exist. Think about it. Cancer. A little shot in the arm to not get cancer! If only every cancer was preventable...
Re: the HPV vaccine (Gardasil), I think the salient points are: - Cervical cancer kills a LOT of women worldwide (mostly in developing countries, but as recently as 2013 there were still ~12,000 new cases diagnosed and ~4,200 deaths that year in the U.S. alone). (https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/cervical/statistics/)
- HPV doesn't just cause cervical cancer and genital warts. There are many men affected by *cancer* even though the incidence is not as impressive as for women: During 2008–2012, an average of 38,793 HPV-associated cancers were diagnosed annually, including 23,000 (59%) among females and 15,793 (41%) among males. (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6526a1.htm) *This is why protecting boys is not just about protecting girls (in future heterosexual encounters) - it's about protecting the boys too!
- Early vaccination, *before* sexual activity, primes the immune system to help clear the virus when a person is inevitably exposed (clearly, many but not all humans will become sexually active some day).
- Vaccination started almost 10 years ago (~2006), and Pap smear guidelines changed in the last 5 years (2013)
This could certainly skew data about incidence of cancers given that there are longer intervals between screening tests, but every major group in women's health currently agrees on the present-day guidelines, and there is even momentum to increase the interval length even further (!). And researchers are smart and do their best to correct for that potential confounder.
- JAMA recently published new data about the presumed impact of the vaccine on actual cervical cancer rates: From 2007 to 2014, a total of 13 520 CIN1, 4296 CIN2, and 2823 CIN3 lesions were diagnosed among female individuals 15 to 29 years old. After adjustment for changes in cervical screening across the period, reductions in the CIN incidence per 100 000 women screened were significant for all grades of CIN among female individuals 15 to 19 years old, dropping from 3468.3 to 1590.6 for CIN1 (annual percentage change [APC], -9.0; 95% CI, -12.0 to -5.8; P < .001), from 896.4 to 414.9 for CIN2 (APC, -10.5; 95% CI, -18.8 to -1.2; P = .03), and from 240.2 to 0 for CIN3 (APC, -41.3; 95% CI, -65.7 to 0.3; P = .05). Reductions in the CIN2 incidence were also significant for women 20 to 24 years old, dropping from 1027.7 to 627.1 (APC, -6.3; 95% CI, -10.9 to -1.4; P = .02) (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27685805)
Again, a personal decision. Sort of a soap box for me, but also just ... really cool research that came out quite recently.
I'm downright jolly over the amount of vaccine love in this thread. I consider Gardasil a requirement. I don't know the statistics and don't feel like googling STDs on my work computer, but isn't it something like 1 in 4 women have HPV? I several friends with it. Both my son and daughter will get the Gardasil vaccine at the appropriate age. If only there were vaccines to prevent all cancers.
Re: the HPV vaccine (Gardasil), I think the salient points are: - Cervical cancer kills a LOT of women worldwide (mostly in developing countries, but as recently as 2013 there were still ~12,000 new cases diagnosed and ~4,200 deaths that year in the U.S. alone). (https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/cervical/statistics/)
- HPV doesn't just cause cervical cancer and genital warts. There are many men affected by *cancer* even though the incidence is not as impressive as for women:
During 2008–2012, an average of 38,793 HPV-associated cancers were diagnosed annually, including 23,000 (59%) among females and 15,793 (41%) among males. (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6526a1.htm) *This is why protecting boys is not just about protecting girls (in future heterosexual encounters) - it's about protecting the boys too!
- Early vaccination, *before* sexual activity, primes the immune system to help clear the virus when a person is inevitably exposed (clearly, many but not all humans will become sexually active some day).
- Vaccination started almost 10 years ago (~2006), and Pap smear guidelines changed in the last 5 years (2013)
This could certainly skew data about incidence of cancers given that there are longer intervals between screening tests, but every major group in women's health currently agrees on the present-day guidelines, and there is even momentum to increase the interval length even further (!). And researchers are smart and do their best to correct for that potential confounder.
- JAMA recently published new data about the presumed impact of the vaccine on actual cervical cancer rates:
From 2007 to 2014, a total of 13 520 CIN1, 4296 CIN2, and 2823 CIN3 lesions were diagnosed among female individuals 15 to 29 years old. After adjustment for changes in cervical screening across the period, reductions in the CIN incidence per 100 000 women screened were significant for all grades of CIN among female individuals 15 to 19 years old, dropping from 3468.3 to 1590.6 for CIN1 (annual percentage change [APC], -9.0; 95% CI, -12.0 to -5.8; P < .001), from 896.4 to 414.9 for CIN2 (APC, -10.5; 95% CI, -18.8 to -1.2; P = .03), and from 240.2 to 0 for CIN3 (APC, -41.3; 95% CI, -65.7 to 0.3; P = .05). Reductions in the CIN2 incidence were also significant for women 20 to 24 years old, dropping from 1027.7 to 627.1 (APC, -6.3; 95% CI, -10.9 to -1.4; P = .02) (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27685805)
Again, a personal decision. Sort of a soap box for me, but also just ... really cool research that came out quite recently.
I'm downright jolly over the amount of vaccine love in this thread. I consider Gardasil a requirement. I don't know the statistics and don't feel like googling STDs on my work computer, but isn't it something like 1 in 4 women have HPV? I several friends with it. Both my son and daughter will get the Gardasil vaccine at the appropriate age. If only there were vaccines to prevent all cancers.
Someone with more medical knowledge please correct me if I'm wrong, but along the same lines as passing antibodies onto baby before birth with the Tdap, isn't the flu shot the same way? Besides obviously protecting yourself against the flu does it pass the same antibodies onto baby before they are old enough to get the flu shot?
Also, FYI for FTMs, babies first flu shot is two doses! Make sure you get that first dose early in the season so you can get the second dose before the season is over!
That's exactly what i thought about the flu vaccine too (same logic as with the TDap).
Fun fact: i had to do the tetanus/diphtheria boost a couple of years ago and i thought it had all they needed but i didn't realize that i didn't have pertussis. Lol. So i looked it up in my record and DOH i have to do it! So i'll be getting one and i'm making my husband get one too.
I'm all for vaccines but people should be aware that no vaccine is 100% effective so there's a chance a person who got a shot doesn't get the protection which is why herd immunity is so important. (I've been exposed to some vaccine-related work in the last couple of years so i'm more aware than ever and judge people who blindly refuse it based on some internet articles). I feel very unappreciated on babycenter when i post CDC and WHO links with actual data and people dismiss them. Lol.
You guys are making some great points and I'll likely look further into Gardasil for bebe eventually. I do think one of these days we will have to start THE thread.
I think a lot of people are on the fence about the gardasil vaccine because they think that their kiddo will never have sex until they are married/ old and in a committed relationship/ will always be safe with it. I see a lot of my religious friends who are very against the gardasil vaccine. And you know what? I'm religious too. I honestly didn't have sex before marriage (very personal decision) and I hope that my kids are safe when it comes to making those decisions themselves. BUT rejecting a vaccine that can help prevent cancer based on your moral wishes for your kid?! That's crazy talk! What if (worst case scenario) your kid does follow your moral direction, but is raped and catches the virus? Or is in what he or she thinks is a totally committed relationship and it turns out that their partner was cheating? Or just makes unsafe choices in not protecting themselves in all sexual encounters. If there is a vaccination that can prevent disease, I'm giving it to my kid!! (And I'm not saying that the gardasil objection/hesitation in this thread was based on morals/religion, it's just what I've seen a lot!) The flu vaccine is a hard one for me because of allergies. I am allergic to the injection, and my older daughter is allergic to eggs. She is able to have the vaccine with taking Benadryl beforehand, but she has had a reaction to it in the past, so it makes me super nervous. I'm looking forward to her being old enough to have the flu mist so that I can quit panicking every time she needs a flu shot!
So, totally off topic, but I had mentioned how hot I was earlier and I just couldn't cool off! Well, not only was I hot but then my skirt became really uncomfortable and tight under my belly (should have known when I put it on), it was making me feel so sick! I ended up running to Target to find a dress or something to make it through the rest of the day! Found a maxi dress that is super comfy and might have to go back and get more!
"A day without laughter is a day wasted." ~Charlie Chaplin
As the wife of a biochemist who works in pharmaceuticals, all of this science and fact based vaccine love makes my heart pitter-patter. I am ALL FOR flexibility in parenting style--you want to breastfeed your kid until kindergarten? Not my bag, but go right ahead! But I have very little tolerance for anti-vaxxers. I have yet to see any compelling evidence on the dangers of vaccines outweighing the benefits and it truly pisses me off that people don't take the time to inform themselves with facts before jumping on an anecdotal train. The risks are not yours alone--by not vaccinating your child, you are endangering an entire sub set of the population. If you are going to take that big of a risk, you at least owe it to the rest of the population to do your homework and be 100% informed on the science behind vaccines.
Speaking of the flu (not at all directed at your @nda_roxybabe - you do you!), I just got the weekly update that goes out within our department and the stats this year are quite interesting. (Given the context that last year's influenza vaccine had low efficacy and this year's version is much better - though certainly not 100% or even close!)
"Influenza activity is near peak, with outbreaks in schools, long-term care and communities. 88% of recent detections have been influenza A; 93% of A viruses are H3N2. There have been 1,211 influenza-related hospitalizations since September 1, 2016, with 138 admitted to ICU and 23 requiring mechanical ventilation. This compares to 235 hospitalizations last year at this time, and 3,763 for the 2014-2015 season. 66% of hospitalizations have been in individuals age 65 and older. Influenza A[H3N2] is less kind to elders; across the US one out of every 732 people age ≥65 has been hospitalized with laboratory-confirmed influenza."
Who can I quote for this? I had a conversation with my mom about getting the flu shot a couple of weeks ago and she doesn't believe in it. I didn't push it with either of our first 2 kids so I don't want to this time either but her argument was so empty that I would love to send her the info you are quoting. I walked away so frustrated and disappointed from that conversation.
Re: the TDAP, I do plan on asking her and pushing for it because she's going to be with us for several weeks. My parents had us all my siblings and I vaccinated when younger but I feel like as they have gotten older they have started buying into weird conspiracy theories, part of which is the whole anti vaccination movement. I think they still believe in SOME vaccinations but I'm not exactly sure where they are drawing the line these days.
Also silly question but what is the difference between TDAP and DTAP? I see both thrown around but don't know the actual difference.
Me: 38 DH: 36 Married 8/27/2011 BFP #1 9/28/2011 DS born 5/22/2012 BFP #2 4/24/2013 m/c 4/25/2013 at 4w BFP #3 1/31/2014 DD born 10/14/2014 BFP #4 1/20/2016 m/c 2/12/2014 at 7w2d BFP #5 8/19/2016 DS2 born 4/29/2017 BFP #6 3/7/2018 EDD 11/18/2018
@Squirtgun can I say an "Amen" or a "preach" to your post?!? I come from a very religious background and have heard these same arguments from people. So strange. Obviously people making this argument haven't seen a young person with cervical cancer or anyone with vulvar, penile, or anal cancer. Just like any preventive health measure HPV vaccine doesn't prevent 100% of cancers of the cervix and lower genital tract. But avoiding smoking doesn't prevent 100% of lung cancers and it would be hard to argue that we should keep smoking because we might get lung cancer anyway.
The study below talks about percentages of vulvar and lower genital tract cancers with HPV detected. It is a huge percentage.
I think a vaccine thread definitely needs to get started. It's a good topic to share research and information on.
My random: No GD! I feel pretty horrible after that drink, so I'm so glad I don't have to do that again. Sending good thoughts to those that do have to take it again. I feel for you!
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Me:31 DH:32 Married 11/06/10 DD: Born 8/23/13 (clomid+ovidrel+IUI) BFP 9/9/16 EDD 5/19/17
Has anyone had any side effects from the tdap ? I didn't have any last time 2 years ago but I had it again last night and I feel awful today. Headache, upset stomach, my entire body is so sore and I feel exhausted.
@lrwardrop, I just had mine today and my arm is really sort. No other side effects. When did yours start?
Two questions, both regarding urine. Isn't pregnancy beautiful? - Did your urine have an orange tint to it after drinking the glucose drink? -Is anyone having a small flow when you urinate? I have to go really badly sometimes, but then just a small, long-lasting flow comes out. I forgot to ask about it at my OB appointment today.
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Me:31 DH:32 Married 11/06/10 DD: Born 8/23/13 (clomid+ovidrel+IUI) BFP 9/9/16 EDD 5/19/17
@lrwardrop, I just had mine today and my arm is really sort. No other side effects. When did yours start?
Two questions, both regarding urine. Isn't pregnancy beautiful? - Did your urine have an orange tint to it after drinking the glucose drink? -Is anyone having a small flow when you urinate? I have to go really badly sometimes, but then just a small, long-lasting flow comes out. I forgot to ask about it at my OB appointment today.
On Q#2: Yes! It's like less volume per second compared with my non-preg self. You described it spot on: small but long-lasting flow. Same thing happened with me last time, so this time, when it started happening, I was like "oh yeah, that again." Everything in your abs region is so smooshed, including the urethra that leads from the bladder to the outside world. Makes sense, right?
Re: Randoms and Questions 2.20 - 2.24
I totally agree that you should use your provider as leverage when talking to family (blame your suggestion on the strong recommendation of your kiddo's doc).
Also, if anyone has free time (ha!) and wants to dive into an interesting read about immunization, "On Immunity" by Eula Biss is great. I'm about halfway through.
ETA: Littles, if they are following the standard vaccine schedule, should get a decent amount of Tdap protection in the first year since the series starts right away. (See screenshot)
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I know we've discussed flying and the security stuff at the airport, and I just opted out of that crazy looking machine and got a pat down. It was way more invasive than I thought it would be. She got all up in my crotch, waist band and under my boobs. I mean I know why she did it, but it was definitely uncomfortable.
Also, I am so very happy to not be at work. I had a horrible day yesterday, testifying was worse than I thought it would be. The opposing attorney tried to rip me to shreds, calling me a liar on the stand and saying I was being nosy by asking my clients what they do at their fathers house (they live there 1/2 the time(. It was traumatic and I'm not even done! I get he was doing his job as I had evidence that the dad was being negligent. But MAN!
Oh and I woke up this morning and I can't stop sneezing. I sat down at my gate and proceeded to sneeze and pee myself. Won't be at my destination until 7:30pm est. Insert eye roll emoji.
but since the outbreak in 2010 and 2012, some practitioners are advising adults of grandparent age to get it. My moms Doctor discussed it with her before me doctor even talked to me. And my aunt was told the same thing when my cousin was pregnant last year.
Things we usually asked about on email before an in-person visit:
At the in-person tour/visit (but a lot of these were covered in the overview the caregiver gave, so we didn't have to ask):
TDaP: My Mom is going to watch baby at her house. Yesterday I just asked her if she knew if her and Dad and current, she said probably not. I told her to do some quick reading up on it and decide if it's something they need to do as it's something H and I are getting. She responded pretty quickly that it looked like its important for baby's sake so they'll have their Dr. do at their upcoming appointment.
My point is, I didn't want to tell them they HAVE TO get a shot, but I did want them to note the importance. We're definitely a pro vaccine family, but one of those more...old school ones? Like, if its something I didn't receive as a kid I want to research it and (FFFC) we don't do flu shots (H either), I've never had one. That being said, I knew my Mom would want to draw her own conclusion on it.
1st Baby 5/12/17, Henry
"Influenza activity is near peak, with outbreaks in schools, long-term care and communities. 88% of recent detections have been influenza A; 93% of A viruses are H3N2. There have been 1,211 influenza-related hospitalizations since September 1, 2016, with 138 admitted to ICU and 23 requiring mechanical ventilation. This compares to 235 hospitalizations last year at this time, and 3,763 for the 2014-2015 season. 66% of hospitalizations have been in individuals age 65 and older. Influenza A[H3N2] is less kind to elders; across the US one out of every 732 people age ≥65 has been hospitalized with laboratory-confirmed influenza."
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1st Baby 5/12/17, Henry
Sorry you didn't pass the 1 hour test @Hansolosparka!
1st Baby 5/12/17, Henry
@mdlorenz Loving the info! Thank you!
Sorry @Hansolosparka that sucks
I appreciate that my mom's dr brought it up to her last time and the commercials that I have seen running regarding grandparents getting the TDap didn't hurt. I was bit afraid there would be push back, but bringing up that DH and I both got it (last time) and that they suggest anyone seeing the baby get it, was enough of a motivation. I think it also made the new grandparents feel involved. Like they were doing something to prepare for the baby's arrival. My mom even pressured her insurance and got the shingles vaccine early. I will be getting it again at my next appointment (29 weeks).
I am guilty of being negligent in getting the flu shot. Prior to my last pregnancy I had never had it, but have had it since because of all the doctor visits. After the flu steamrolled my family (parents and in-laws included) this month, I cannot see any of them missing their flu shot again (except for DH who doesn't get it because he had Guillain-Barre Syndrome 11 years ago). DS and I both had the shot and our sickness was far less severe and shorter lived then everyone else.
DS2 5/17
#3 Due 9/20
@starphish18 - your picture immediately makes me regret the salad I just ordered for lunch
@Hansolosparka - That sucks. I hope you pass the 3 hour. It's too bad they won't let you try the one hour again since you were close.
I feel like a lurker this week, because work is bonkers, but I've had fun catching up on the thread. It's crazy to think we're planning postpartum care for "down there" already. It's getting so close!
Married:09/14/13
Baby 2 - Due: 5/4/17
Also, FYI for FTMs, babies first flu shot is two doses! Make sure you get that first dose early in the season so you can get the second dose before the season is over!
Sweet Baby H 12.21.11
Sassy Baby P 03.26.14
Little Brother Due 05.22.17
@nda_roxybabe: The virus known as HPV (human papillomavirus) can cause symptoms & sickness in the body, and at the very basic level, a vaccine exists to prevent these illnesses. If you were in a high-risk group, just like being pregnant and being advised to get the flu vacc, why wouldn't you want to take that precaution?
Also, most importantly, this is a virus that Causes Cancer. That's akin to coming across the common cold virus out in the wild (so easy to catch!) and developing horrible cancers from it. These HPV cancers are highly preventable with the vaccine. As with any vaccine that we have available to us currently, the benefits far far outweigh any slim risks that exist. Think about it. Cancer. A little shot in the arm to not get cancer! If only every cancer was preventable...
- Cervical cancer kills a LOT of women worldwide (mostly in developing countries, but as recently as 2013 there were still ~12,000 new cases diagnosed and ~4,200 deaths that year in the U.S. alone).
(https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/cervical/statistics/)
- HPV doesn't just cause cervical cancer and genital warts. There are many men affected by *cancer* even though the incidence is not as impressive as for women:
During 2008–2012, an average of 38,793 HPV-associated cancers were diagnosed annually, including 23,000 (59%) among females and 15,793 (41%) among males.
(https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm6526a1.htm)
*This is why protecting boys is not just about protecting girls (in future heterosexual encounters) - it's about protecting the boys too!
- Early vaccination, *before* sexual activity, primes the immune system to help clear the virus when a person is inevitably exposed (clearly, many but not all humans will become sexually active some day).
- Vaccination started almost 10 years ago (~2006), and Pap smear guidelines changed in the last 5 years (2013)
This could certainly skew data about incidence of cancers given that there are longer intervals between screening tests, but every major group in women's health currently agrees on the present-day guidelines, and there is even momentum to increase the interval length even further (!). And researchers are smart and do their best to correct for that potential confounder.
- JAMA recently published new data about the presumed impact of the vaccine on actual cervical cancer rates:
From 2007 to 2014, a total of 13 520 CIN1, 4296 CIN2, and 2823 CIN3 lesions were diagnosed among female individuals 15 to 29 years old. After adjustment for changes in cervical screening across the period, reductions in the CIN incidence per 100 000 women screened were significant for all grades of CIN among female individuals 15 to 19 years old, dropping from 3468.3 to 1590.6 for CIN1 (annual percentage change [APC], -9.0; 95% CI, -12.0 to -5.8; P < .001), from 896.4 to 414.9 for CIN2 (APC, -10.5; 95% CI, -18.8 to -1.2; P = .03), and from 240.2 to 0 for CIN3 (APC, -41.3; 95% CI, -65.7 to 0.3; P = .05). Reductions in the CIN2 incidence were also significant for women 20 to 24 years old, dropping from 1027.7 to 627.1 (APC, -6.3; 95% CI, -10.9 to -1.4; P = .02)
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27685805)
Again, a personal decision. Sort of a soap box for me, but also just ... really cool research that came out quite recently.
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May17 Siggy Challenge
Labor
Fun fact: i had to do the tetanus/diphtheria boost a couple of years ago and i thought it had all they needed but i didn't realize that i didn't have pertussis. Lol. So i looked it up in my record and DOH i have to do it! So i'll be getting one and i'm making my husband get one too.
I'm all for vaccines but people should be aware that no vaccine is 100% effective so there's a chance a person who got a shot doesn't get the protection which is why herd immunity is so important. (I've been exposed to some vaccine-related work in the last couple of years so i'm more aware than ever and judge people who blindly refuse it based on some internet articles). I feel very unappreciated on babycenter when i post CDC and WHO links with actual data and people dismiss them. Lol.
1st Baby 5/12/17, Henry
The flu vaccine is a hard one for me because of allergies. I am allergic to the injection, and my older daughter is allergic to eggs. She is able to have the vaccine with taking Benadryl beforehand, but she has had a reaction to it in the past, so it makes me super nervous. I'm looking forward to her being old enough to have the flu mist so that I can quit panicking every time she needs a flu shot!
"A day without laughter is a day wasted." ~Charlie Chaplin
Re: the TDAP, I do plan on asking her and pushing for it because she's going to be with us for several weeks. My parents had us all my siblings and I vaccinated when younger but I feel like as they have gotten older they have started buying into weird conspiracy theories, part of which is the whole anti vaccination movement. I think they still believe in SOME vaccinations but I'm not exactly sure where they are drawing the line these days.
Also silly question but what is the difference between TDAP and DTAP? I see both thrown around but don't know the actual difference.
Married 8/27/2011
BFP #1 9/28/2011 DS born 5/22/2012
BFP #2 4/24/2013 m/c 4/25/2013 at 4w
BFP #3 1/31/2014 DD born 10/14/2014
BFP #4 1/20/2016 m/c 2/12/2014 at 7w2d
BFP #5 8/19/2016 DS2 born 4/29/2017
BFP #6 3/7/2018 EDD 11/18/2018
The study below talks about percentages of vulvar and lower genital tract cancers with HPV detected. It is a huge percentage.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17138767/
My random: No GD! I feel pretty horrible after that drink, so I'm so glad I don't have to do that again. Sending good thoughts to those that do have to take it again. I feel for you!
Me:31 DH:32 Married 11/06/10
DD: Born 8/23/13 (clomid+ovidrel+IUI)
BFP 9/9/16 EDD 5/19/17
I feel as though our vaccine thread may be the most calm and science based one yet. But maybe it will bring out the fun lurkers as well
Sweet Baby H 12.21.11
Sassy Baby P 03.26.14
Little Brother Due 05.22.17
May '17 labor memes
Two questions, both regarding urine. Isn't pregnancy beautiful?
- Did your urine have an orange tint to it after drinking the glucose drink?
-Is anyone having a small flow when you urinate? I have to go really badly sometimes, but then just a small, long-lasting flow comes out. I forgot to ask about it at my OB appointment today.
Me:31 DH:32 Married 11/06/10
DD: Born 8/23/13 (clomid+ovidrel+IUI)
BFP 9/9/16 EDD 5/19/17