June 2015 Moms

Sleep training

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Re: Sleep training

  • We're at 2 naps also. She was taking 3/4 before we did cio, but since starting that at 5 months she has been taking 2 naps (1 usually about an hour and half and the other about 45 mins) ending between 2-3:00. It sucks cause she is pretty tired by bedtime and we usually have to hold her to keep her happy until it's time to get into pjs but she absolutely would not nap if we put her in the crib around 4 for a nap. The last week she has taken a few naps for 10/20 minutes while out in the car around 5:00 and it didn't have much of an impact on going to sleep. She was just actually awake to nurse before bed and rolled around before passing out for a little bit longer. I'm working on trying to stretch out the time between the 2 naps so the 2nd one can move closer to around 2:00, right now it's around 1:30 when she falls asleep so getting that a little later would be nice so she isn't exhausted by bedtime. Yesterday she took 2- 1 hour and 15 min naps and was up closer to 3pm and that worked out better but she was passed out st 6:40 for the night
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  • I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but we're just doing what the ped said. 45 minutes max of CIO. We tried the whole go in and comfort and then leave and that made her more upset. It does hurt my heart hearing her cry down the hall, but I trust my doctor and heck, so many others I know have done that and they're kids aren't screwed up for it. It doesn't happen often when she does cry for long. She still takes max 3 naps a day. Usually the third one is a cat nap. If she can stay awake until 10 from 630, she takes a 2 hour nap to next feeding. I think by 9 months they go to 2 naps?
  • ^^this. Never thought we'd get to the point of full-on cio, but soothing just made things worse, escalating and prolonging the crying.

    Re. waking - Since we started out schedule, he kinda fell right into it. Except maybe for some too short naps, but I haven't had to wake him except once in the morning.

    We see the purpose to both cio and any needed waking would be to get such a solid routine established that eventually you no longer have to do all that - LO just knows "its time." (Not that we're there yet!)

    @ChardeeMacDennis , you're not alone. Our LO has been waking at about 10-11 and doing a whiny cry for about an hour. :( Think I might try a dream feed tonight, hope that helps.
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    Married in 2006, TTC #1 since Jan 2012

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  • @virginiaunicorn11 We definitely still did check-ins at certain intervals according to Ferber. The check-ins don't soothe her at all though. She knows what she wants. I never wake her from naps to save night sleep since it doesn't really make any difference for her.

    @mindaa Yes, it's just whiny-crying. Not talking or complaining like she's just waiting to fall asleep, or screaming like she's going to tire herself out, just crying like she's prepared to keep going steadily for hours. I white knuckle it for an hour then I give up on sleep training for another month.

    Last night she went to bed at 7:00, woke to nurse at 10:30, 1:00, and 2:00, and woke for the day at 5:15. She went down for her first nap at 7:00 am.
  • @virginiaunicorn11 I am very much like you. My heart literally hurts and DH and I have gotten in so many arguments because I'll say I want him to cry it out, but then can't follow through. I finally told DH I felt like we needed to do it but he was going to have to help & reassure me the whole time. So when LO started crying really hard, he'd go in and make sure he was ok & soothe.

    Our LO also gets more upset when we go in, so we try to limit it. Last night I was reading a book & he was screaming. I went in and started reading to him. He stopped, listened, and finally went to sleep. So this might be my new tactic. We had a ton of wake ups last night though.
  • I'm stopping by to see if anybody has had this issue, where LO wakes up for the day progressively earlier and earlier.
    We've adjusted out of the merlin pretty well I think, but now LO is waking up almost an hour (or more!) earlier in the day. At first I though it was just my DH adjusting to taking some morning duty and not knowing LO's cues, but its been happening to me, too. He used to wake up for the day between 650-710am. But for DH he has been waking and wanting to be up at 515-530am, and he's woken up for me around 6am.
    I remember someone here saying their sleep coach said to stick to a wake up time of 7am, whether the kid was asleep or awake, so this morning when he woke up at 610am I watched him in the monitor talk to himself until 630.
    Maybe its something I'll have to work out. Or just get up earlier all the time.


    This caught my attention once I began to read this thread, tho...
    Sammy K said:

    We've also started night terrors over here. It's not super common this early (1-2 is more normal) but my kids are overacheivers. Luckily DS hasn't had one in almost a year. Maybe LO will outgrow them, too.

    If you think LO is having night terrors, ask away. Ferber's book has a section on it that really helped me.

    How do you know if your baby is having night terrors? LO has had times where he starts out whimpering in his sleep, and it escalates to full out crying. Not whiny crying, but full throat crying. In his sleep. He usually wakes himself up from the noise of his full out crying, but for a while there he is still asleep AND crying hard.
    Usually the monitor picks up his whimpering and I go in and put my hand on him and talk or sing softly, paci at the ready. I've been able to avert disaster this way a few times. But I don't know what's going on there.


    Lastly, as part of the nap discussion y'all are having, LO still takes three naps a day. But i also try to not have him nap after 4pm. Back when he was waking around 7, it was easier because I'd feed him at 430ish, and keep him occupied until 615ish, feed again and then put him to bed for 7. With him waking up earlier its really screwing up the last 3 hours of the day
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  • LO transitioned herself to two naps a day. It just worked in our favor too. She was happier, able to stay awake for longer stretches of time, and wasn't having that 7pm witching hour anymore. I like it because I have a designated hour or two to really get stuff done instead of 30-45 minutes. @mellymar with regards to the last three hours of the day, I do allow a little snooze after 4 if she needs it. Yesterday she woke up around 3:30 and fell asleep on DH around 6:30. We let her sleep til 7 and the. Woke her up. She wasn't happy at first, but was easily distracted and was able to stay up until 8:30 bedtime. Then this morning she slept until 6:15 when I had to go in and nurse her before work. Then back down until 7:30.
  • @mellymar If you pick up or pat him, does it soothe him or make it worse? In a night terror, physical contact makes it worse. When we would pick up DS, he would flail snd arch his back. He is eyes usually weren't open or if they were, they were clearly unfocused. They stop abruptly, like a switch. They don't slowly calm down.

    And the cry. Oh man. We call it fighting zombies. It is the most awful fear/pain cry I have ever heard. It seriously made me cry. Part of why I like Ferber so much is he got me through night terrors. I felt awful the first few times - I couldn't comfort my baby and there was something wrong. Oy. So yeah. If anyone is dealing with them, I completely understand.
  • @Sammy K DS had these a few times. I actually cried every time. Horrid. DS still dreams a lot. Good ones and nightmares. I prefer bad dreams because I can just tell him it wasn't real and he goes back to sleep. Good dreams that he didn't want to leave make him sob.

    @virginiaunicorn11 Try to figure out what you are comfortable with. I think sometimes people feel like it all or none but you can help them learn to soothe without really letting them cry. I feel like I was able to help both my kids extend their stretches and be able to go sleep independently this way. Maybe read, "No cry sleep solution" Part of me thinks it's total crap, part of me realizes I use all the techniques from it. Just because my kids didn't sttn doesn't mean it didn't help.
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  • @henrytviii We still have occasional bad dreams but he's never told me about good ones. The last time he woke me up, I thought he was using bad dreams as an excuse so I asked what his dream was about. "Flies in mouth" he says. Yup, mom will tuck you back in and cuddle for a few minutes.
  • Exactly as stated above.
    As the mom of one of the last" non sleeper" kids in this group.... I encourage you to try any different technique or be open to sleep training.
    You can definitely teach him soothing techniques without full on cry it out
  • We still are not jinxing our sleep the last 3 nights.......... Waiting for the ball to drop but gosh I hope it doesn't
  • @virginiaunicorn11 I agree with @henrytviii on findng something you are comfortable with. I really follow my gut with this not a particular sleep method. You know your baby best & he will eventually sleep better.
    I will let my LO go 5 min intervals of crying, occasionally 10 min & I always go in to comfort her after that. If she gets more hysterical I will pick her up & rock her a bit, even nurse if it's been awhile since she last ate. She's been sleeping better & better even some 8-9 hour stretches. Other nights she's up 2-3 times but on those nights I find she is actually hungry. I feel like if my LO is crying it's for a reason. Even if it is just for comfort I'm fine with responding. With my LO I think she gets the hint that I'm not going to interact with her long or entertain her. I'm usually only in there 3 min or so when comforting her. I think they wear themselves out eventually regardless of what you are doing. I think my LO just gets bored & eventually gives in to sleep. Good luck to you.
  • @Sammy K I don't pick him up because I'm afraid if I do it will wake him up and he'll fully freak out. If I gently put my hand on his chest it doesn't seem to do anything, negative or positive. Generally it starts with whimpering and ramps up to strong crying. Sometimes you can catch a second and put in his paci and he settles, or sometimes he starts crying in his sleep and then you can put the paci in and he stops crying before he wakes up. And sometimes he wakes up full out crying and its next to impossible to calm him down (only a bottle does it).

    Its really weird. I've been thinking it was bad dreams, but it happens more often than I would expect for someone to be having bad dreams. I certainly don't have that many bad dreams (that I remember anyway). And I would figure if it was a bad dream he would settle better after waking.

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    Wishing everybody with the poor sleeping babies better nights ahead. It actually breaks my heart a little bit every time I read a post from one of you with chronic short-sleep babies.
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  • @mellymar Does he have a lovey or blanket he likes? We found rubbing DS's blanket on his cheek help calm him because that was how he self-soothed when awake. Maybe the paci is the same. Sometimes DS would wake up and he would be really disoriented, like when a sleep walker wakes up in a different room.

    How often has it happened? LO has only had 2. DS used to get them about once a month, plus one during growth spurts and if he was really off schedule. When we moved to a temporary apartment, it was every night for a week but he's only had 1 in the last year.

    They're not actually bad dreams and the correct name is confused arousal. But no one knows what that is, so it's easier to use night terrors. They aren't fully awake but they're not asleep and their brains know the situation isn't right but don't know how to get back to sleep. It was so weird the first time to see him go from nuclear screaming and writhing to dead asleep in an instant. DH and I looked at each other like "what in the hell was that?"
  • @virginiaunicorn11 New plan. We'll all just move in together, drink maximum beers and take shifts. Yes, I think we are on the same page.

    Last night his tears were so sad. Sad, sad, mommy left me all day tears. I slept sitting up with a baby in my arms all night. I'd say I'm not cut out for this sleep training thing but it is just each his own way. I can only help him when he seems ready and open to it. Last night he slept great, and it was healthy for both of us.

    Kick me out of this thread! She doesn't even go here . . .
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  • aj1327aj1327 member
    edited January 2016
    LO woke up every hour screaming last night. I started crying at 1:30 and put him in bed with us. @henrytviii I don't belong here either. Maybe we can start our own thread? The wusses who can't sleep train? Haha.

    ETA: my neice had night terrors a lot until she was 4 or 5. She's adopted from China and was in an orphanage for the first 8 months of her life....not sure if that has anything to do with it. She had them weekly at least, I think. It's very much like what @Sammy K described and as much as you'd want to comfort her, it almost made it worse. She was completely out of if and you just had to let it pass.
  • @Sammy K he had one last week overnight and I feel like he had one during a nap within the past 10 days or so, too. I want to answer this question as once a week or 10 days, but I can't tell if I'm exaggerating or not. More often than once a month for sure.

    I should start keeping a log, I guess
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  • @mellymar - yes, that was me who was told that if LO wakes early to leave him in the crib, then go get him at his normal time. 

    Night six and LO slept 11.5 hours!  I won't lie, it's bittersweet, because I'm still getting up to pump. It kills me that I still have to wake at night, but without getting to cuddle my baby. Hooking up to a cold machine at 2a.m. is just terrible, the worst. :( 
    DH and I spent a long time debating whether to keep a single night feed, but then LO decided to sleep through, so he kinda made the decision. Though we had already pretty much decided that at this age (7 months), he didn't need it and it wouldn't be worth the effort of having to wean him off it.
    Me-37, DH-38
    Married in 2006, TTC #1 since Jan 2012

    Baby Boy born June 1, 2015

    He settles her in her home as a happy mother of children, praise the Lord! (Psalms 113:9)
    And the peace of God, which surpasses all understand, will guard your heart and mind in Jesus Christ (Philippians 4:7)

  • i had to give in and do CIO last night. The past 2 nights he has refused to sleep in his crib or in bed with me only rocked. I had to get some sleep. I turned the monitor volume off and set my timer for 30 minutes. He quit crying at 30 minutes but he freaked me out on the monitor lying so still with his eyes open that I went in and got him upset again. I did it a second time after rocking and nursing and he cried less than 30 minutes and slept for almost 4 hours, which is good for him. I'm going to do it again tonight. He woke up with the saddest puffy eyes this morning :(
  • Just wanted to pop in and offer support here. You're all doing great and you will get through this!

    We've been fortunate to have a good sleeper, though I did preemptively read Ferber's book. I still nurse her to sleep at night, so we may need some form of training if I decide I want to quit that before she does, but so far so good. I have serious trouble listening to her cry so my heart goes out to you all. I know some form of CIO is typically the most effective method but that doesn't mean it's easy on mom.

    You're all great moms and you've got this on lockdown!
  • edited January 2016
    @henrytviii and @amccoy129 Have you tried any sleep training? I am amazed that my baby has only needed a maximum of 7 minutes of crying, out of 10+ wake-ups the past few nights. It feels longer, and I cry and drink and pick fights with my husband every time (ummm, kind of kidding? (Not really...)). But we are on night 3 and realizing it won't ever go past 7 minutes has made it tolerable and he's definitely getting better.
    After 10 minutes, I run my crying ass into his room - is my plan, but it's never had to happen. I feed him twice at night, because I'm engorged and don't want my supply to dip just yet.

    But if you and baby aren't ready, ain't nothing wrong with that, either. I was crying every time he woke up (every 1-2 hours) so I knew it was time to change something. If I hadn't hit that stress limit, my plan was to let him do whatever he wanted.

    ETA: yes, I recognize that I both cried when he was waking every hour and I had to comfort him, and I am also crying now that he's waking and I'm refusing to comfort him. Motherhood is so awesome that way.
  • ^^^^ yes. Mine cries longer than 7 minutes.
  • Yes, I have also tried some. Mine cries longer than 7 minutes.
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  • Sorry. Thought it was worth asking. I hadn't tried, and if someone had told me this was a possibility, I would have done this months ago.
  • @virginiaunicorn11 if you has started months ago maybe it wouldn't have gone so well. You just never know. Does your LO fall asleep after the 7 min then? I usually have to give LO two or three 5 min cries before she goes to sleep.
  • I don't know why my baby cries so long. She woke up at 4:20 and I nursed her. She woke up when I laid her down and now has been crying for 35 minutes. I hate this.
  • caitlincunncaitlincunn member
    edited January 2016
    Lo either needs to go back to waking around 5 to eat or wait until 7. The last couple days she has been waking at 6 and today almost 6:30. She was going back to sleep after that feed and i was waking her st 7:30 to keep it the same time. How am I supposed to do that if she wakes up at 6:30? I stuck her back in the crib but doubt she will fall asleep since it's so close to wake up time.

    Eta- she fell back asleep a little while ago.
  • I don't know why my baby cries so long. She woke up at 4:20 and I nursed her. She woke up when I laid her down and now has been crying for 35 minutes. I hate this.

    That really sucks, I'm so sorry. Most others have reported that length of crying, I think.

    My guy does well until about 5:00, and then it's probably my fault because I want to nurse and cuddle. We've been in the habit of cosleeping from 5:00-7/7:30 if not earlier. Today he thought it was time to play, and I was having trouble sleeping and didn't want to put him back in his crib yet.

    @ChardeeMacDennis I hope it gets better soon for you and baby girl
  • She ended up crying for 55 minutes then sleeping from 5:30 to 7:30. Poor baby.

    Thanks, @virginiaunicorn11. I'm glad you're having some success even though it's really hard. And if cosleeping in those early hours makes you happy then keep it up.
  • @amccoy129 :/ Wish we could tell whether they're not ready or just not cut out for it.
  • Night two I nursed him back to sleep at 1 and then let him cry at 4 to 4:30. He was still wailing away so we coslept until 6:15. This is not going to work if I'm inconsistent with it :/
  • @amccoy129 We are in exactly the same boat. Only thing different is that we do the first 3-4 hour stretch in the crib. And he's up 3 times over the night. When we try to make him sleep in the crib its really bad. We are done trying. DH is starting to take him for one segment some nights so I can have 2-3 hours of deeper sleep by myself. Oh well, better that I embrace the baby in my bed for now and stop feeling guilty about it. We can make it work for all of us.

    We do have to do some CIO for naps. He takes those alone in his crib and the CIO is reasonable and very effective. Night not so much.
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