***November TWW ***

stephann85

Here we are again. Another month, another dreaded waiting time. 

Come! Share! Feed the symptom spotting and BSC!! This is a safe place. We are all rooting for you and a BFP for your rainbow baby!! 

mylittleversailles

Here I am. 5 DPO. Yesterday was a terrible, down-in-the-dumps, if it hasn't happened after 8 cycles and 14 months it's never going to happen, surprise pregnancy announcement on Facebook, so depressed I can't even cry kind of day.

Today, I'm going to force myself to get something done because I always feel better when moving about. 

flipflopped

@reneeannemm Sorry to hear about the down day. Accomplishing things always helps me feel better about life. I can't control everything I want to control, but sometimes just doing an awesome job on something small is enough for me.

I'm trying to line things up to occupy me not to test for the next week. If nothing more I'll be getting stuff done!!

NewMommyCoop

4 or 5 dpo. The weekend went by quickly, so just hoping the week will fly by. We have a lot going on this coming weekend as well. I am trying to keep myself busy by picking my crafts for craft day in two weeks and making a the shopping list for said crafts. Also starting to look at invites for our Christmas party and plan the menu. Those things should keep me pretty busy and my mind occupied.

@reneeannemm Sorry yesterday was a rough day. Getting ready this morning, I started thinking about if I find out next week that I am PG again, will this be the one or will we have to endure another loss, and can I deal with it again. This just sucks sometimes. 

migdala

1 DPO, I *think*, so I'm back here.  No temp rise yet but ever since the MC it seems to take several days after I feel O pain.  I felt it on my right side yesterday evening and had a positive OPK (solid smiley) yesterday morning and the night before.  My goal for this cycle is to not start temping at 4 DPO the way I psychotically did last cycle.

@reneeannemm Sorry about yesterday.  I am really rooting for you this month.

TScalei

@reneeannemm _ Im sorry about yesterday. I hope today is better for you.

Should be 6-7 DPO first cycle post mc so feeling all the pressure. Just hoping a BFN will not get me too down. ):

mylittleversailles

Thank you all @TScalei @migdala @NewMommyCoop @flipflopped

I think today will be better; I seem to have a little more energy to get things going. When I'm really down, I like to try a new, complex Indian recipe (toast and grind whole spices, the whole bit) so as soon as I get dressed, I'm heading off to the Bangladeshi grocery to gather some supplies for tofu tikka masala. Then I'm going to make a gingerbread and bring it to the neighbourhood businesses where I have friends. I may do some online shopping for a couple Christmas gifts; I'm almost done. Mostly anything to stop from staring at my chart all day (yep, I picked up temping again in case I start regular acupuncture in the new year). 

flipflopped

@reneeannemm sounds delicious!!

brooklyngirl18

how is it november already?! I'm 3DPO I think so I've got a wait ahead of me. Sending positive non BSC thoughts to all in the TWW.

flipflopped

Ick...I think I'm getting sick. I was all excited when I was feeling sore and tired. Then the head cold part started to kick in. Going from this could be it to this is a cold crushed my day

kidria

@reneeannemm  So sorry for the hard day. It sounds like you have delicious coping mechanisms, though! That's great. I'm not sure how I'd make it through without my totally engrossing job. We all have our mechanisms. 

6DPO for me. I am just not feeling it. It's totally ridiculous to say but the first go round being pregnant the symptoms were all there. This time around there's nothing but some mild thirst and some totally erratic temperatures. I shouldn't let it get me down but I feel frustrated and annoyed with my body. Ugh. 1st week of the TWW pity party. 

stephann85

@kidria I think I might join you in the TWW pity party. My feelings today are that I am out this cylce and will be joining the WTO this weekend.

@reneeannemm sorry yesterday wasn't so great for you. Your recipe sounds delicious .

@flipflopped sorry you are starting to get sick. It sounds like something I had a couple weeks ago and it didn't last long. I hope it doesn't last long for you either.

I am currently 11 dpo and my Temps have been holding/declining ever so slightly the last couple days. I will be testing on Friday if AF doesn't show up first. 

roxgibbons

Currently 10 or 11 DPO

@reneeannemm I'm sorry you were having a rough day yesterday. I am glad you were able to somewhat come out of your funk. It's so easy for us to slip into that bad space when during TTCAL. I find myself either being positive or in a complete funk over this process. I also find that when other areas of my life are not great, I tend to get down on TTCAL. I'm 7 months TTCAL and 9 months post loss and sometimes I get really down about why I'm still not KU. Hang in there. I hope today is a better day. 

@brooklyngirl18 you asked when I would test, in the check in thread but I figured I would answer you here- I was thinking I would wait till Sunday? I will be either 15 or 16 DPO by then. I don't have any Wondfos or HPTs so I figured I would wait it out. Or should I get Wondfo's on Amazon Prime

@kidria I hear you. I've had cycles where I felt nothing and some where I have all kinds of symptoms- it's hard to decipher what is going on. It's so frustrating sometimes. 

@stephann85 I feel the same way. I am crampy and I feel it's my body getting ready for AF.

stephann85

Temp dipped below cover this morning at 12 dpo. Pretty sure I am out this cycle. now just waiting for AF.

Taggarab

5DPO and twiddling my thumbs 

mylittleversailles

@kidria  @stephann85 Thank you! I am feeling better. I have a bizarre and extreme version of the monday blues, despite not working outside the home. 

@flipflopped Feel better! 

@roxgibbons I am finding that my bad days are stretching out further, almost starting to grow together. It used to be pretty bad from 7dpo to 11 dpo, when I'd go from manic belief in this being the month to realizing I wasn't pregnant again but then I'd be ready to take on the next cycle anew. I find myself not finding that hope now until a few days before ovulation. I wish I had some wise words of comfort, but I only have commiseration to offer. 

Just got DH's SA results back. All is normal/good. I'm not familiar with sperm cellularity? It says they're moderately cellular? Anyway, this was a zero day hold (appointment came up suddenly) and the lab says it took more than two hours for them to get to it.

4.5 ml
Count: 113 million
Motility: 60%
Abnormal: 20% (is that the morphology?)

My CD 3 panel was

Ferritin 33 ug/L
TSH  2.08 mIU/L
FSH 7 IU/L
HB A1C 4.7%
Prolactin 19 ug/L
Estradiol 145 pmol/L (=39.5 pg/ml)

I also had a saline sonogram, which showed clear tubes and three fibroids ~ 3cm which would not be interfering with conception or implantation. WHY

I can tell you is that over the past nine months I have had every single weird symptom ever written on the internet - from a pimple (which I can count on one hand the number I've had in my ENTIRE life), to hysterical, uncharacteristic breakdowns, random TWW sore throat, burning nipples, swollen lymph nodes, sore joints, bleeding gums, extreme exhaustion, insomnia, vivid (bfp) dreams, overwhelming nausea, nasty blue evaps (I know how to use a pregnancy test), to a fricking triphasic chart - well here I am. I hope that this is almost over and I don't have to wait any more cycles and experience the total, utter helpless mind fuck that comes with long term TTC.  It all feels so much worse when I realize there are so many people going through the same kinds of things - the silent anguish. I don't even recognize myself sometimes and I am extremely self assured and comfortable in my own life and identity. Haha, talk about a first week of the TWW pity party.

dpjennifer

@reneeannemm   Sorry you're having a rough go at it.  I can totally relate.  The month after month of hope followed by depression is just horrible.  

mylittleversailles

@dpjennifer I am so freaking gutted to see you still here. All my love to you.

brooklyngirl18

+1 to throwing a pity party. so many hugs to you ladies struggling, I'm right there with you. I came down with yet another cold last night. seriously?!? I rarely get sick and I swear, since my ectopic, I've been sick non stop. Colds, headaches, UTIs, you name it, I've had it this year. 2016 is kicking my ass. I'm 3dpo so I'm just to wallow for the next week or so. 

flipflopped

@brooklyngirl18 Hope it is a quick and easy cold!! I'm on day 3 of mine and seemingly on the upswing. Hopefully 2016 turns it self around and sets you up for an awesome 2017!!

NewMommyCoop

@Taggarab I am 5 or 6 dpo. When are you planning on testing? I was thinking I might on the 6th or the 7th, then I think, why. If it's a BFN then I am going to be depressed, so I should just wait until AF.

Thinking of all of you and hoping this dreaded waiting is over for all of us very soon.

flipflopped

@newmommycoop My new goal/plan is not to test before, but possibly on election day. Since I have a feeling it will be filled with all sorts of joy and disappointment adding one more thing will only add to circus atmosphere of the day

NewMommyCoop

@flipflopped I can't remember where you are in your TWW. If I'm on my normal 28 day cycle (first cycle post m/c = 25 days), AF should arrive on the 10th. I may not test until then if AF doesn't show up that morning. I don't know, I guess I will have to see if I have enough will power.

TScalei

@flipflopped - I like that thinking. hahaha

Its so hard to know what day to test - sometimes it feels like picking a day to be completely gutted and depressed. Currently 7DPO over here.

flipflopped

@newmommycoop since I don't OPK or temp mine is just a good guess. I'm a 28 to 30 day cycler here so that would put me around 11-13DPO. I'm pretty good at doing one day at a time. I know I can make it to Monday with no POAS, but not sure I can hold out to Tuesday. Good luck to us all!!

NewMommyCoop

@flipflopped FX for all of us. I am praying for several BFPs next week!

Taggarab

@reneeannemm , @dpjennifer , and @brooklyngirl18 Lots of hugs for you guys. The build up and let down month after month is completely exhausting, both physically and mentally.

@NewMommyCoop I am trying not to even think about testing. We are going to an oyster festival on Saturday so I guess I am happy it's too early to test so I can eat all the raw oysters I want  

NewMommyCoop

That's a great way to look at it. Enjoy the oysters! Looking forward to that festival should help keep your mind preoccupied!

fiorip

I need some insight, CD 28 (my cycles are 26-27 days, which makes me late) No signs of AF and got a BFN this morning? Should I call my doctor to get a blood test?

migdala

DPO 2 and I'm already turning into a crazy bitch.  I am SO BAD at this waiting stuff, you guys!  I wish I could just hibernate until like DPO 14.

stephann85

@fiorip I think wait one more day and if still BFN and no AF, might not be a bad idea to see if they would do a blood test. AF can be irregular after a MC. Hope you get some great news!

NewMommyCoop

@fiorip I second stephann85. I would test again tomorrow if AF hasn't shown. What kind of HPT are you using? I would probably try something digital so there is no room for interpretation. FX for you!

fiorip

@stephann85 waiting is the hardest thing! I'll try my best to give it at least two more days. 
@NewMommyCoop Im using clear blue digital. 

Runner313

6 dpo here. Feeling very anxious. I have removed all pregnancy tests from my house. I am going out of town for the weekend and will return at 10 dpo so will wait to test then. It has been a rough day. Tons of pregnancy announcements this week amongst my family, friends, and the Facebook world. Praying it gets easier. 

Runner313

fiorip said:

I need some insight, CD 28 (my cycles are 26-27 days, which makes me late) No signs of AF and got a BFN this morning? Should I call my doctor to get a blood test?

Any symptoms? I would probably call within a day or two and ask for a blood test. 

fiorip

Runner313 said:

fiorip said:

I need some insight, CD 28 (my cycles are 26-27 days, which makes me late) No signs of AF and got a BFN this morning? Should I call my doctor to get a blood test?

Any symptoms? I would probably call within a day or two and ask for a blood test. 

I've been cramping for over a week now, tender breast and back pain. I'm also fighting a cold so I don't know if the aches and pains are related to the flu, early pregnancy or AF just messing with me. I've also been nauseas twice, again, most likely the cold and not pregnancy. 

RiverSong15

@fiorip Are you temping or using OPKs? Home pregnancy tests are incredibly sensitive these days. They can detect HCG as low as 10 if you use the early response/early result kind. And even Wondfos have shown faint squinters for me at 9-12 DPO. If you aren't temping and aren't sure of when you ovulated, you likely ovulated late this cycle. Bodies do weird things after a MC, but sometimes they just do weird things to be jerks. Before I ever got pregnant, I got a random 39 day cycle once when I average 31 days. I haven't had a cycle that long before or since, in 22 years of getting a period. And I definitely wasn't pregnant. Also, if you got a BFN, then your symptoms are related to something else and not pregnancy, even if you do end up pregnant this cycle. If there's not enough HCG to turn a test, there's not enough to make you nauseous. 

Bodies are weird, and they aren't machines, unfortunately. I think a blood test would be a waste of time and money, really, if the HPTs are negative. The general rule of thumb if you don't know when you ovulated is to take a test at least once an week and call your doctor once you hit 60 days without a period or a positive test.

In any case, I'm sorry for the long cycle and the frustration. It just adds insult to injury, in a way. I hope you get some resolution soon, and hopefully a BFP.

migdala

@RiverSong15 I also had a random 38 day cycle a few months before I got pregnant!  I didn't take any tests though so I wonder now if it was a CP.  I also wonder how much more sensitive tests are nowadays compared to our mothers' generation ... my mom got BFN after BFN when she was pregnant with my sister, she felt sick so she went and got a blood test and there was her BFP.  I imagine they've improved a lot since then!

Also LOL at your "general rule of thumb," which is absolutely correct but only testing once a week post-ovulation is a level of self-control I can't even imagine having!!!  DPO 2 and I'm already having the "is DPO 4 REALLY too early to test" BSC conversation with myself.

RiverSong15

@migdala I'm not sure how accurate this list is, but it's extensive. As you can see, many many tests can detect HCG between 15 and 25 miu, and I've seen women on here get BFPs and betas around 10. (#anecdote).

https://www.fertilityplus.com/faq/hpt.html

For comparison, here's an interesting news article from 1987 that says home tests could have false negative rates of up to 30%. And they weren't accurate until 1-2 weeks after a missed period.

https://articles.latimes.com/1987-06-21/news/mn-8979_1_home-pregnancy-test

Other interesting trivia, the first home tests in the late 70s/early 80s could only be taken 2 weeks after your missed period and would take 2 HOURS to give results. We're a tad bit spoiled these days.

This is why the stories of "my aunt/mother didn't get a positive test for months with my cousin/my sister" don't hold up these days. If you get a negative test on an HPT today, it's almost a certainty that you are either not pregnant or not pregnant yet (I.e, you ovulated later than you thought).

ETA: and yes to the self control! Lol. That's why I test first with cheap Wondfos. I don't feel like I'm just peeing on money. Here's a nifty website with rates of positives and false negatives by DPO.

https://www.countdowntopregnancy.com/pregnancy-test/results-by-day-past-ovulation.php

Note the disclaimer: all the women getting positives before 6 DPO likely have no clue when they actually ovulated. Implantation doesn't occur generally until 7-10DPO, so it's impossible to get a BFP at 4 DPO.

MDLH

Thanks for the helpful links! I'm currently 10dpo and couldn't help but test this morning. I've had random episodes of queeziness the last couple of days and smells are slapping me in the face. Got a BFN but praying it's because I tested too soon. Staying hopeful for everyone else too!

migdala

@RiverSong15 Love the trivia!!! I'm already BSC during the TWW, my head would've exploded if I had to deal with our mothers' HPTs!

@MDLH keeping my fx that it's just too early!

I got my temp rise today!!! Last month it took 6 days after I felt O pain and I was very worried about my progesterone levels. This month it took 2 days after the O pain. Am I a sucker for crediting the change to the acupuncture I started? Oh well, I'm just so relieved for the normal temp rise!!