@wisewitch222 To be honest, I’m confused by your comfort with the RNP, especially when there are safe options to choose from. If your kids slept in the crib at night since day one I would think that you could easily get them in their crib for naps. I didn’t mean to give you unsolicited advice either. I just obviously don’t want to hear anything bad happen to any more babies from such an unsafe device.
@wigglyicecream If you want to start a thread about newborn sleep and naps I would gladly participate there and discuss all the things that worked and didn't work at nap time. Most of them aren't recommended safe sleep practices. Couch? That's a hard no. But guess what, #2 liked to fall asleep on the couch lying on his bumpy square fabric and I wasn't about to move him, so I let him sleep, and I stayed there and watched him. I held my pee. I texted the visitor who was at the door to go find where the extra key is hidden outside because I couldn't get up to open it for them. Letting infants sleep on couches is unsafe and I would never tell anyone to let their infant sleep there. But when mine did, I made sure I kept him safe.
Carseat carriers, strollers, bouncers, and swings are also a bunch of unsafe sleep spaces. I bet you will never meet a parent whose baby hasn't napped in one of those. What distinguishes the RNP from those other objects is 1.) That it's a recalled product, and 2.) that the RNP was made for sleep whereas those other objects have different functions. There is an inherent risk in letting your baby sleep in any of those. Including the carseat while you're driving, which is why you need one of those mirrors to see if they slump so you can pull over and fix them. It's rare, but still a risk.
Co-sleeping terrifies me, but I know that it's so popular that experts are trying to come up with ways to make it safer because people aren't going to stop doing it. In my opinion, I don't understand how anyone can be comfortable doing that. The only real safe sleep space is the flat crib/PNP/bassinet, and that is the only place I put my baby when I'm also going to be asleep.
If you're wondering where I got my power naps in during the newborn phase when I was home alone with baby and couldn't get him to nap in the PNP or crib, it was while he was awake, lying on his play mat on the floor. I have no pets and he couldn't roll yet - this was safe.
But yes, RNPs are unsafe, so that's why I edited my earlier posts.
@wisewitch222 you gave a lot of information that I didn’t ask for. I was only asking about the RNP specifically and why you were comfortable with that for naps. I ended up using the RNP, baby carriers and even bedshared bc I was sleep deprived a single mom and desperate. None of it I am proud of. I know how unsafe all of the things you have described are and am thankful that in my poor decisions nothing happened to my daughter. I’m not trying to attack you. I am just genuinely curious why you’re comfortable with it when you have had success since day 1 in the crib. Especially with all the new information that came to light about the total lack safety testing. Fisher price marketed a sleep surface that they never tested. Never ran it by a pediatrician. Bedsharing terrifies you, which is something that many Eastern countries have practiced for years yet a device that has been recalled for deaths and proven to be unsafe, both bc it is an incline sleeper (which is unsafe) as well as having no testing doesn’t. I just don’t get it. I understand letting a sleeping baby sleep and sacrificing what you need to, to watch them and try and keep them safe. I don’t think this is the same thing. You having your baby on the couch and them falling asleep and you watching them is very different in my mind than choosing to put them in an unsafe sleep situation on purpose. I’m sure at some point there will be a sleep thread and I will also happily share evidence based safe sleep options, mostly bc I don’t want a FTM to get the wrong idea that since something worked for me they should try it. If you don’t feel like answering the only question I’ve asked it’s fine. We can agree to disagree on the RNP.
@wisewitch222 my biggest problem and why this has seemed to hit a sore spot is, it came recommended to me by a lot of people. Even the on call pediatrician who first checked my DD over after birth told me it was fine. Then I find out, it’s no fine and it was killing babies. Which means it could have killed mine, and I don’t want anybody else to think it’s ok, just bc there were more babies that survived than that died.
@Katek819 I did the SNOO with DS1 and can’t recommend it enough. It keeps the baby swaddled flat on its back, so super safe. It was so helpful with extending sleep. They are very expensive, but the resale value is high. I bought new on sale and sold on my local swap, and ended up loosing out on only $25. You can also rent monthly.
@fromfurmomtobabymom8-2 I just kept her completely separated from baby if I wasn’t right there watching. As my son got older and she got used to him being mobile, I became more comfortable. I still don’t fully leave my guard down, and she is a very gentle pup.
@mdfarmchick If the upfront cost wasn’t so much, I LOVE the concept and design of the Snoo. I’m so glad you were able to get such good value reselling it!!
I’m definitely getting the Newton baby mattress and Owlet monitor for sleep safety! Those are 2 of 3 of my splurge items.
@leahrnmom I haven’t been able to grab one on swap yet bc they go so quick, but ones I’ve seen have been reselling for over $1000
@meagan822 I know the sticker shock is high, but IMO worth the investment for how well it works and for the resale value. Sleep is priceless, so I’m comfortable splurging on sleep more than any other baby product.
@meagan822@lmaplejc@darkrose88@leahrnmom I can’t remember if I’ve said this before or not but my sister was given a SNOO at her baby shower (it was a group gift, but also WUT) and is gonna let us use it for Lil Bear. Everything I’ve read, and everything she’s said, has been “it’s worth every penny.” But I’m not sure I’d be comfortable paying that many pennies. 😂
Popping in here (late to the party, I know! just intro'd) - we used the Snoo with our first and I can't recommend it enough! Soooo worth the investment, imo. The resale value is very high as well. Alternatively, you can rent the Snoo! Personally, I think sleep is priceless haha. Happy to answer any questions about the Snoo if anyone has any.
So I had no idea what a SNOO was so I did the Google, and came across an article from pediatric OTs and PTs who said it isn't the best. (Just one opinion ion, I know, but still, trying to be open-minded and do my due diligence in researching products). I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I know that 1, it is way out of my budget, and 2 I'd rather pick up my baby and comfort her if she is crying (I know it's going to be more than infinitely exhausting). I've been in special education for too long to know that babies need that physical touch to help soothe them. I get concerned about the automatic adjustment of noise and rocking too, because what if it's too much? Idk, every family is different and if this is what you decide is best for you and your family, awesome. I'm happy for you. But for me, it's a hard pass.
@bridgiebee82 totally respect everyone's opinions, different strokes for different folks! :) But just adding in my two cents for those who may be interested in the Snoo but aren't really sure what it does... The Snoo has multiple levels of soothing and the different levels involve different types of white noise and different movements. The Snoo passes every safety regulation out there and actually, it is even used in many NICU's and hospitals! It's extremely beneficial for safe sleep because babies are clicked in with a specific swaddle that keeps babies on their backs (obviously the safest position for sleep). When baby cries or fusses, the Snoo will attempt to soothe the baby using Dr. Harvey Karp's methods (from the book Happiest Baby on the Block). If the Snoo attempts to soothe the baby, and the baby continues to cry, the Snoo shuts off and the parent gets an alert on their phone. Honestly, it only attempts to soothe the baby for less than 5 minutes before turning off. It's effective when the baby doesn't need to be fed, changed, etc. and was just a little fussy and the motion does the trick. If the baby truly needs intervention, the Snoo will not be a substitute. Nevertheless, parents have different approaches on how quickly they intervene, how they soothe babies, etc. and there is no wrong answer! (well, actually, there are some wrong answers lol, like letting a newborn cry indefinitely, but you get what I mean...).
@twizzleraddict1 thanks for the info! Really. I'm a FTM so everything is very overwhelming and there is so much information out there. It's like overload. How do you know what to follow?! Like you said, different strokes for different folks.
@bridgiebee82 that's so true, there is SO much out there! Before my first, I just read EVERYTHING haha and then I just did whatever felt right when the baby came! I think for a lot of things, I may have had opinions ahead of time of what I would do or what I would like, but honestly, a lot changes when the baby comes, and you won't know until you're in the moment and your mama gut will tell you what to do and what is right for you and your babe.
@lmaplejc@mangoandguava I think the Snoo would 1000000% be worth the cost to me if we weren’t also trying to scrape together to maybe buy a house before baby comes. Especially with the resale value. I will want to spend a lot on quality sleep, but for us that may mean a house instead of the SNOO.😅
@bridgiebee82 I admire you researching things thoroughly before hopping on board. There’s always conflicting reviews-often even with professionals, so listening to both sides and finding what you are comfortable with is always best.
The snoo is definitely out of my budget! Oooof...I'd never spend that much on an item that's only used for a few months at most. But that's me. I can't even wrap my head around a baby item costing that much. Even the rental cost is blowing my mind.
@bridgiebee82 totally have to do what you’re comfortable with. As Twizz mentioned, it only soothes for a few minutes (and you can even customize to only soothe on the lowest settings). They sleep so lightly that a sudden muscle jolt can wake them, and this basically takes the guesswork on whether it’s a real wake or not. I’ll have to check out any opposing views, but I have absolutely no qualms after seeing how it works.
@starkette the sticker shock is real. TBH I’d never rent when you can resell and make your money back. I was talking to a friend who rented today who regretted renting. She got it after her first was a poor sleeper, and decided to rent to “try it out for a month”. Her baby is 4 months now and she doesn’t want to give it up, but man those rental fees add up. She wishes she bought and resold but I realize the upfront cost is quite alarming.
haha love it! @lmaplejc And I agree on renting - wouldn't be my route, but I figure maybe if it's hard to come up with the money all at one time, renting might be a good option if you can only swing a couple hundred bucks at a time? We bought ours before our first and just called it an investment for all our future children haha. We also had a few friends that started out snoo-less, lost their minds after a couple weeks with a newborn, and caved and ended up renting.
I’m with @starkette. The price is ridiculous for 4-6 months of use. I don’t want to deal with weaning from it when I already have to deal with the 4 and 6 month sleep regressions. And I have three kids. All who swaddled fine in the hospital and screamed bloody murder when they were swaddled at home. I guess I’m too old because I don’t think you can “buy” good sleep with something that “replaces” the parent unless you want to buy a night nurse/nanny. 🤷🏻♀️ All of my kids also rolled on the early end of things and when they roll, no more swaddles. It’s also interesting that several people bring up the low frequency radio emissions and how bad they are for you, so it’s not something with which I personally feel comfortable.
ETA: @bridgiebee82 thanks for sharing the article showing some concerns from pediatricians as well.
@mdfarmchick im not at all trying to convince you (it’s not for everyone!), I’m just responding to your post purely for conversation’s sake.
We had no trouble whatsoever transitioning from the Snoo to the crib and we also completely avoided a 4 month and a 6 month regression. You can technically keep your baby in the Snoo and swaddled after they begin to roll, because since they are clipped in, they can’t roll, unlike in a regular bassinet.
But your other point is totally valid - if a baby doesn’t like to be swaddled, they will not like the Snoo. Taking Cara babies says it’s not really true that babies don’t like to be swaddled, they just need to get used to it - I’m not saying I agree or disagree with that, just stating what her course taught.
As for frequency - I would imagine it’s not any different that my baby sleeping next to her monitor in the crib, but I don’t really know anything about frequency 🤷🏼♀️
+1 for not interested in paying for a SNOO. I never even researched them because it didn't matter how amazing it was, it was out of the price range. Swaddles worked great for us. #2 rolled early, so as @mdfarmchick said, that means no more swaddles, but it also meant that #2 could sleep on his tummy because he rolled to his tummy himself, (it's no longer a SIDS risk if they do it on their own), and he slept much better after that.
Also, no one has mentioned pacifiers yet, but I believe they also played a key role in both my infants' sleep success.
My kids didn’t like pacifiers and I had one great sleeper and one horrible sleeper. I’ll try them again this time but I don’t anticipate it being a game changer here.
+1 for saving for my kid’s college over purchasing a Snoo.
I’m 4/4 for kids that hated pacifiers.
I think the point some of you are missing is thinking there is one thing that is the reason your kids sleep well. Some kids are good sleepers and some a not 🤷🏻♀️ The biggest thing is consistency.
@cas060 Nope! I EBF'd two infants in a row, both of whom used pacifiers from day 1. Nipple confusion isn't really a thing, and the hospital staff where I delivered was supportive of my desire to breastfeed and never said anything about the baggy full of five different types of binkies I had with me and gave me a hospital one to add to the collection.
I'm thinking once we get closer I might consider the snoo if I can find out on the marketplace. I wouldn't pay full price but I got rid of my bassinet so I do need one. Granted don't need the snoo but I'm so grumpy without sleep.
Do pacifiers affect bfing at all for any of you? I was too scared to use them last time as I thought it would ruin nursing.
My kids used them in the hospital even though the nurse told me not to because bfing, and I didn’t have any issues from that. I also supplemented with ds1 and never had any kind of confusion from that. He actually bf better after, he couldn’t get the hang of it so I had to supplement.
@cas060 we used pacifiers for DS (had to try out several brands before we found ones he used) and it had no impact on nursing. I was initially against it but DS was a horrible sleeper... so we were desperate.
With regards to the SNOO only being for babies who like swaddles, that may have changed my mind on looking into it further. DS hated being swaddled & would scream profusely at us for swaddling him. While I don't want to assume baby will be the same way, I'm very hesitant to invest in something that would not have worked for her brother.
No issues with pacifiers and nursing, here! And my daughter was never dependent on them but did like them. She stopped using them all by herself around 18 months, the same time she weaned herself from BFing.
I've also been lucky with babies that sleep well. DD1 had some issues when she was older, around 9 months, but it was only a phase that lasted a couple weeks. As a newborn, she was super easy to sooth and loved the swaddle. And DD2 sleeps amazingly but that's probably because she's constantly fed at night through her g-tube so she never wakes hungry.
Okay thanks all! We used one a few times here and there in the early days but inwas quick to want rid of it, not rely on it but I think I'll def buy a couple to have on hand for occasional use again. Def not a habit I want to have to break tho😅
Re: pacifiers. My mom never used them for us because when she gave one to my oldest brother, she came back and he was just licking it. She said "my kid is too dumb for this." And never used one for the rest of us. And none of us were thumb suckers either. Each family is different.
I really insisted with the pacifiers at the beginning there because I really didn’t want a thumb sucker. My brother sucked his thumb until he was seven and the skin of his thumb was all weird and sad. Breaking the binky habit wasn’t too bad. I waited until they started biting holes in the binky (#1 was 2.5, #2 was 1.5), and they had only been using them for sleep since they were about one) and was just like, “This binky is dangerous now. We have to throw it away.” And then when the last binky got holes I explained they were too big for them now. They asked for them at bedtime for like 1-2 nights and that was it. They did have very special stuffies by that point so the binky wasn’t their only comfort item at night.
@wisewitch222 this is encouraging to hear! I haven’t really even given any thought to weaning the paci but my daughter only uses it at night/for naps to sleep. Hopefully our weaning experience is as easy as yours 🤞🏼
@twizzleraddict1 Good luck! I'm guessing it's easier if it is only a sleep thing but they have other sleep associations. Friends I know who had trouble weaning had older toddlers who sucked them during awake time.
Is anyone still sleeping on their stomach? I end up on my stomach during the night but it’s slightly uncomfortable. I think it’s time to break out the pregnancy pillow.
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Carseat carriers, strollers, bouncers, and swings are also a bunch of unsafe sleep spaces. I bet you will never meet a parent whose baby hasn't napped in one of those. What distinguishes the RNP from those other objects is 1.) That it's a recalled product, and 2.) that the RNP was made for sleep whereas those other objects have different functions. There is an inherent risk in letting your baby sleep in any of those. Including the carseat while you're driving, which is why you need one of those mirrors to see if they slump so you can pull over and fix them. It's rare, but still a risk.
Co-sleeping terrifies me, but I know that it's so popular that experts are trying to come up with ways to make it safer because people aren't going to stop doing it. In my opinion, I don't understand how anyone can be comfortable doing that. The only real safe sleep space is the flat crib/PNP/bassinet, and that is the only place I put my baby when I'm also going to be asleep.
If you're wondering where I got my power naps in during the newborn phase when I was home alone with baby and couldn't get him to nap in the PNP or crib, it was while he was awake, lying on his play mat on the floor. I have no pets and he couldn't roll yet - this was safe.
But yes, RNPs are unsafe, so that's why I edited my earlier posts.
@fromfurmomtobabymom8-2 I just kept her completely separated from baby if I wasn’t right there watching. As my son got older and she got used to him being mobile, I became more comfortable. I still don’t fully leave my guard down, and she is a very gentle pup.
I’m definitely getting the Newton baby mattress and Owlet monitor for sleep safety! Those are 2 of 3 of my splurge items.
@meagan822 I know the sticker shock is high, but IMO worth the investment for how well it works and for the resale value. Sleep is priceless, so I’m comfortable splurging on sleep more than any other baby product.
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@bridgiebee82 I admire you researching things thoroughly before hopping on board. There’s always conflicting reviews-often even with professionals, so listening to both sides and finding what you are comfortable with is always best.
@mangoandguava Amazing, and your sister has some generous friends.
@twizzleraddict1 again, so much in common 😆
@bridgiebee82 totally have to do what you’re comfortable with. As Twizz mentioned, it only soothes for a few minutes (and you can even customize to only soothe on the lowest settings). They sleep so lightly that a sudden muscle jolt can wake them, and this basically takes the guesswork on whether it’s a real wake or not. I’ll have to check out any opposing views, but I have absolutely no qualms after seeing how it works.
@starkette the sticker shock is real. TBH I’d never rent when you can resell and make your money back. I was talking to a friend who rented today who regretted renting. She got it after her first was a poor sleeper, and decided to rent to “try it out for a month”. Her baby is 4 months now and she doesn’t want to give it up, but man those rental fees add up. She wishes she bought and resold but I realize the upfront cost is quite alarming.
We had no trouble whatsoever transitioning from the Snoo to the crib and we also completely avoided a 4 month and a 6 month regression. You can technically keep your baby in the Snoo and swaddled after they begin to roll, because since they are clipped in, they can’t roll, unlike in a regular bassinet.
But your other point is totally valid - if a baby doesn’t like to be swaddled, they will not like the Snoo. Taking Cara babies says it’s not really true that babies don’t like to be swaddled, they just need to get used to it - I’m not saying I agree or disagree with that, just stating what her course taught.
As for frequency - I would imagine it’s not any different that my baby sleeping next to her monitor in the crib, but I don’t really know anything about frequency 🤷🏼♀️
+1 for saving for my kid’s college over purchasing a Snoo.
I’m 4/4 for kids that hated pacifiers.
I think the point some of you are missing is thinking there is one thing that is the reason your kids sleep well. Some kids are good sleepers and some a not 🤷🏻♀️ The biggest thing is consistency.
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With regards to the SNOO only being for babies who like swaddles, that may have changed my mind on looking into it further. DS hated being swaddled & would scream profusely at us for swaddling him. While I don't want to assume baby will be the same way, I'm very hesitant to invest in something that would not have worked for her brother.
I've also been lucky with babies that sleep well. DD1 had some issues when she was older, around 9 months, but it was only a phase that lasted a couple weeks. As a newborn, she was super easy to sooth and loved the swaddle. And DD2 sleeps amazingly but that's probably because she's constantly fed at night through her g-tube so she never wakes hungry.