@TravelingCouple I'm sorry your scan didn't show more follies. If you tend to O later, perhaps your body is just doing its thing and you'll have more to see at the next scan.
Me: 31 DH: 32 Dating since: 11/17/2001 Married: 9/26/2009 TTC: June 2016
@TravelingCouple@vflux33 Aww, you guys I feel so honored that you guys would invite me to the group. I didn't get the invite in my inbox. BUT that's okay. While I do a lot of lurking and some hardcore love-titting on this board, we're only on month/cycle 10 and the only testing we're currently doing is progesterone levels (the progesterone supplements are shortening my LP - how f'ed up is that?). So I don't feel like I really belong yet, and I wouldn't want to make anyone in the group uncomfortable since I'm not technically IF yet. I love all of you guys so much, and I'm cheering you guys on all the time. I promise if I'm not an SS I'll join after I get my first RE appointment set or if my OB agrees to start doing some IF testing.
@TravelingCouple I'm sorry. As someone who takes a little bit to get to the point where I can trigger and who only had more than one mature follicle once, I can get that feeling of wondering if you're not responding enough and then worrying about any implications of that. I hope your one follie picks up the pace and you get some good news soon.
@vflux33 Add me to the list of people getting a dupe message. I tried PMing you so as to not clog this thread, but in a fun twist my bump mobile isn't letting me add recipients to a new PM. Sorry that you're having to resend all these.
Hi! I just got back from vacation (6 days eating my way through Memphis and Nashville) and came in to work early to get a jump start on catching up on work but instead I spent the past 90 minutes reading 6 pages of this thread.
Welcome to the newbies. Congrats on everyone who had good or promising news. I tried to join the new group but I think I have to be approved.
Diagnosis (If you've been): Super infertile due to DOR/ AMA.
Cycle/CD: CD 6
Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): Technically WTO (probably)
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) NTNP while we do all the prelim fun for DE IVF
How are things going? Fine. We have a while to go before anything exciting happens but I have to go in for CD 3 bw and a repeat HSG. I would have liked to knock that out this cycle but AF came while on vaca.
Any questions?
GTKY: If you had to pick a new screen name, what would it be and why? Maybe I wouldn't have used my actual name to be a little more anonymous but I'm not good at coming up with cool screen names.
History and blog link in spoiler
2016 - dx with super low ovarian reserve; failed cycle with clomid, failed IUI, 2017 - egg retrieval #1 - 3 eggs, 0 embryos appropriate for transfer; ER #2 2 eggs, 0 embryos on day 3; ER #3 1 egg 0 embryos moved to donor egg in summer 2017; 35 eggs retrieved; 19 fertilized; 9 total embryos Fresh transfer Dec 2017= BFP! baby boy born 8/22/18
May 2019 - surprise natural pregnancy ended in MC Nov 2019 FET; MC at 9 weeks May 2020 FET; BFN July 2020 FET; CP treated with methotrexate Oct 2020 BFP!
@TravelingCouple Sorry for the tough news. I still think this is purely a protocol problem. There are multiple combinations of ovulation induction meds -- I'm sure you'll find one that works.
@KariAnn323 That's bizarre. What supp are you on? Can your doctor try you on another? (tw) I also have lpd from insufficient corpus luteum. When I was pregnant and spotting like crazy, they started me on endometrin which did nothing. They switched me to crinone and it was night and day -- the spotting stopped in 24 hours and my levels stayed above 15.
@laurad75 I'm glad you had a great trip! I'm totally ignorant of DE so forgive me if this is obvious, but why would you need another hsg?
@TravelingCouple so sorry for the frustrating scan results, but remember that follies can grow 1mm per day! Hopefully @adirat is right and it's just a protocol issues, and in the meantime I hope that your one follicle grows leaps and bounds in the next week.
@adirat *TW* So I've only had progesterone levels taken 3 times. 1. When I started spotting when I was KU (MC less than a week later). 2. Two days after the first time after I had had 1200mg of prometrium over the last 18 hours. 3. When I had my CP. First and third levels were low I don't remember the exact numbers. The 2nd one showed that I responded well to the prometrium. After my CP the NP decided that I needed to take 200mg of prometrium nightly after confirming O. That's when I started having the LP problems. Previously my LP had always been 13 days. Since starting it it ranges from 10-13 days. I'm having a progesterone test done after I O this cycle and then I have an appointment with the OB at the end of July (earliest available appointment).
@travelingcouple@vflux33 I don't have anything in my inbox yet either. Could you invite me? Thanks!
Also @travelingcouple ugh so sorry that you aren't responding well to the Letrozole. How long have you been on the injectible? Perhaps it might be good that you ovulate a bit later if you can do more of the injectible and grow that follie? *hugs*
@50wife I am so you find yourself here, but welcome. This board is an amazing group of women who truly are there for each other. Your post definitely resonated with me, and I am sure a lot of the women here. This journey is rough and totally unfair. We are all here for you if you need anything at all
@adirat@BertieMeetsGertie They need the test results to be within a year and our tests were all done last July. I don't know why the HSG matters since we won't be using my eggs anyway but right now I'm just following instructions.
@BertieMeetsGertie Yes - so many recommendations. Hot chicken at Hattie B's (line is long but moves quickly), go to the Burlesque show at Skulls which is a little ways from the main drag on Broadway but super cool. Broadway is really fun. All the bars are awesome depending on the band playing. The restaurant, Husk, for a nice meal (the cheeseburger was delicious). We didn't make it to Bluebird Cafe or Biscuit Love but those are two places I would have liked to go. DM me if you want to chat about specifics.
History and blog link in spoiler
2016 - dx with super low ovarian reserve; failed cycle with clomid, failed IUI, 2017 - egg retrieval #1 - 3 eggs, 0 embryos appropriate for transfer; ER #2 2 eggs, 0 embryos on day 3; ER #3 1 egg 0 embryos moved to donor egg in summer 2017; 35 eggs retrieved; 19 fertilized; 9 total embryos Fresh transfer Dec 2017= BFP! baby boy born 8/22/18
May 2019 - surprise natural pregnancy ended in MC Nov 2019 FET; MC at 9 weeks May 2020 FET; BFN July 2020 FET; CP treated with methotrexate Oct 2020 BFP!
Hi ladies. I have been lurking and debating posting here for a few weeks now, but have been to much of a chicken to jump in. As much as I hate to just jump in mid week, I figured that since we are now starting our first treatment cycle I might as well just do it.
Diagnosis (If you've been): Unexplained
Cycle/CD: cycle 15/ CD2
Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WTO
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI x2
How are things going? At this point I don't even know for sure how I feel anymore. While I am definitely excited that this will be the best chance we have had yet, at the same time I am absolutely terrified of what is to come and kind of just feel defeated that we have reached this point.
Any questions?
GTKY: If you had to pick a new screen name, what would it be and why? Since I have been lurking since Monday I have had some time to think about this I don't really know if I would change, but if I did I would probably end up going with something like "winosaur".
Since there is no way I am going to be able to catch up with everything, please accept my love-tits as hugs and good vibes for all.
@Pinky917 hey girl! Sorry you find yourself in this position, but I'm glad you decided to post - I think you'll find this group of ladies incredibly knowledgeable and supportive. I think it's normal to go through the gamut of emotions when starting IF treatment or testing, so be patient and kind to yourself. At least you have us to ride this roller coaster with you!
@BertieMeetsGertie Yep! Any amh over 2 is good news indicating plenty of eggs.
@KariAnn323 (tw) Sorry, to clarify, you had low progesterone, started supplements, and had an MC anyway? That isn't a progesterone problem then Have you had any testing done? Between that and a cp, I wonder if there's an egg quality issue. Unfortunately that won't be resolved by progesterone supps but can be helped with things like CoQ10 etc. You may already know this, but progesterone supplementation in natural conceptions only works for a narrow band of people. (So few in fact that studies show no statistically significant benefit in the overall population.) More often, low progesterone indicates an egg or embryo problem, and progesterone supplementation only delays the inevitable. Since your body is responding abnormally to progesterone by shortening your lp, I wonder if it is throwing all your hormones out of whack. It may be worth trying a different brand or investigating the underlying issue further.
@KariAnn323 (tw) Sorry, to clarify, you had low progesterone, started supplements, and had an MC anyway? That isn't a progesterone problem then Have you had any testing done? Between that and a cp, I wonder if there's an egg quality issue. Unfortunately that won't be resolved by progesterone supps but can be helped with things like CoQ10 etc. You may already know this, but progesterone supplementation in natural conceptions only works for a narrow band of people. (So few in fact that studies show no statistically significant benefit in the overall population.) More often, low progesterone indicates an egg or embryo problem, and progesterone supplementation only delays the inevitable. Since your body is responding abnormally to progesterone by shortening your lp, I wonder if it is throwing all your hormones out of whack. It may be worth trying a different brand or investigating the underlying issue further.
Well this is brand new information to me. Color me terrified for my progesterone BW
@TravelingCouple I'm really sorry to hear about the scan. Do you have another scan scheduled?
@Pinky917 I'm sorry to see you here, but you are in good company. I know it can be defeating, but we're all here for you Also I love "winosaur".
I just un-added and re-added everyone in this thread who said they were having trouble and wanted to be included. Keep tagging if you still have an issue!
@lund That's what my RE told me. It's an evolutionary mechanism so that non viable pregnancies don't last as long. The two groups for whom it seems to work are women with unexplained RPL and with insufficient corpus luteum (which may have a lot of overlap since unexplained rpl is unexplained). I know @ladymillil has in the past shared studies showing there is no statistically significant impact of progesterone supplementation on live birth rate for natural ttc cycles.
@adirat it makes total sense, just wasn't something I'd looked into before. I was in the fantasy land of low progesterone + progesterone supplementation = increased live birth rate. Damn.
@pinky917 hey, I recognize you from the daily threads. I am sorry that you find yourself here, but welcome. This group of ladies is so wonderful and beyond knowledgeable. I felt the exact same way as you (looks like we are similar treatment plans) at reaching this point. I have days where I am excited, and days where I am frustrating and pissed off at the whole world for having to pay to try and manufacture something that should come easy. Treat each day anew and try to remain positive I will be hoping for the best for you!!
@adirat Ugh this is what is so frustrating! *TW* So with the MC they had never done any initial blood work so when I came in with nose diving hcg and low progesterone they assumed progesterone. With the CP the NP saw progesterone less than 1 at 11dpo and assumed lpd (she also assumed that I was lying about the bfp and that I had just felt like it was my month and wanted a blood test but that's another story). *End TW* I feel like they say lpd but then never do any follow up to confirm that their prescription is working. The only reason I know that lps that vary that much is an issue is because of you guys. The NP was pushing PCOS before we even started trying solely based on my weight without any blood work. She's still holding on to it even though ovulation isn't an issue. Sorry for the DD.
Going to order It Starts With the Egg tonight. What testing can I request from my OB specifically for egg quality? My appointment is at the end of July and our year mark is the beginning September. I'm going to try to get my OB to do as much testing as he's will to do since the RE has an even longer wait time (wait time for OB is 6 weeks). At this point if old fashioned penis in vagina isn't going to work for us I'd rather know earlier than later.
TravelingCouple Ugh! I totally know that feeling of wtf, ovaries! For my second to last IVF I started out with only 2 follicles! I asked my doc if we should just cancel the damn thing. But I ended up with like 17 so sometimes it changes. I definitely progress slow on injectibles... Not once have I triggered in the "normal" amount of time. Hopefully over the next few days more pop up for you too! Pinky917 Hooray for your IUI! Good to see you here (though of course, sorry for the reason!) laurad75 welcome back from vaca.... thinking about it made me hongray!
@kariann323 Short answer: you need to see an RE instead. That place isn't going to help you.
If it is pcos, you could be in the category that ovulates but has egg quality issues increasing chances of mc, but an RE should treat you not an ob. Also, embryo quality issues can equally be caused by egg or sperm so make sure yh gets an sa that looks at morphology and dna frag instead of just count and motility. (Sicne you've had two losses this should be standard but make sure to ask because not all andrologists check dna frag.)
Ask for fsh and amh blood tests. You may want to have genetic testing (a standard like counsyl or recombine) too.
Goodness this place is a source of knowledge, thank you @adirat! @50Wife and @Pinky917 and @LeilaK9288 so sorry you are here but welcome and all the hugs and support to you as you make the initial jump on th@vflux33
I have been a little off the grid a couple days sorry all, my love tits are huge hugs
@vflux33 sorry I missed you yeterday but FX for the IUI
@kiki75 Thank you for the heads up, I inquired about a Gonal trigger but the doctor said that making the follies doesn't seem to be the issue because the 3 (thought became 2) was appropriate.
@madspunk sorry I missed you by a couple days but at day 11 my 3 follies where 14 and under, I don't remember exactly but something to the tune of 10, 12, 14. I triggered on day 14 and had the IUI day 16 which is a day or two later than typical for me.
AFM: I started cycle 2 today. Everything looks good (no cysts, etc) and RE is pleased with how I responded to 50mg of clomid so she wants to stick with that dosage. HOWEVER, she also alerted me that there is a national shortage of clomid?!?!!? Has anyone heard this???? So if we cant get it I will go to letrozole. Mixed feelings. 1. I know I resond well to Clomid 2. it didn't work....
Also, because there were a couple of tough days for some this week, I just want to throw some good thoughts to this community. On the subject of IF sucking romance out of baby making...
general *TW* for health.... My husband spent a week in the ICU April of 2015 in diabetic ketoacidosis. It was terrifying mostly because we had no idea he was diabetic. He was diagnosed type 1 diabetes as a 29 year old when adolescence is more common. He had lost 70 pounds over 6 months and was just so sick. Anyways, it was an adjustment for us and needles became a way of life. I still typically do his night time shot because he has very little body fat and its easier to inject in the butt. We were newlyweds and learned how to deal with romance and intimacy in a very different way and we are trying our best to bring that to this journey.... It is not romantic to have a transvaginal ultrasound shoved up you more than your husband is in a given cycle, BUT think aout what you are doing for each other and your future family. Two people and too many shots of tequila have the ability to make a baby. We have had to commit to injections, awkward things in our ladybits, husbands who have to jerk off in a cup in the middle of a sterile office. If that isn't romance, what is? Just a thought to throw out in the IF world. My current mantra is: "today may not be a good day. But there IS good in today". And sometimes that good is just knowing there is someone out there who loves me so much that he is with me on this journey.
Ok, off the soapbox and I hope everyone finds their good in today
Me: 32, DH: 31 Together: 11/2008, married: 3/2014 DH: Type 1 Diabetes, (dx 4/15) Celiac Disease (dx 11/14), Treatment induced Neuropathy of Diabetes (dx 7/15) DH SA: 11/16: low count and low motility DH SA: 12/16: borderline low, count and motility 1/20/17: BFP, 1/24/17: CP 5/17:low AMH (0.89) 6/17: first IUI cycle, 50 mg clomid + ovidrel + IUI: 2 follies, BFN (count 58 million, 97% motility) 7/17: second IUI, 2.5 letrozole, OPK, IUI: 1 follie, BFN (count 9.5 million swimming- dont know percentage) 8/17: third IUI, 5.0 letrozole,
Random, but has anyone every heard of or had any experience with this fertility clinic in Missouri?
My friend IRL is using them for IVF because they only charge $7000. I'm skeptical, but they have an over 60% average live birth rate, and in the month of April their clinic had over 75% fresh FET BFP rate. Frozen was about 71%.
Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not discuss publicly
@laurad75 Eating your way through vacation sounds amazing. I travel for work so I went ahead and just jotted those restaurants down. I did this yesterday with a noodle thread that got closed down
@adirat Thank you so much for all of the information. Unfortunately that means I have to wait until September. My insurance does cover IF so I have to go pretty much by the book for everything.
@WillRunForWine21 that was beautiful and so 100% correct. Thank you thank you. Also I had that same thought yesterday while being wanded that I may have had more ultrasounds than I've had sex in the last couple months. At least I'm in good company
@KariAnn323 I'm sorry you will have to see the RE, but so glad you got the info you needed so you can do it ASAP. The ladies around here really are amazing.
Speaking of which, @adirat, my OB who has also worked in IVF, suggested he thinks my corpus luteum may be insufficient (although that was before I started taking many of the supplements I do now for egg quality), plus I've had one loss (so we can't call it RPL, but it was unexplained). I did prometrium (progesterone) supplementation last cycle, and it increased my LP from 10 to 13 days. Since it's having the desired effect, would you say that supplementation in my case is a good idea? Or am I delaying the inevitable, too?
@laurad75 So glad you had a great vacation! Sounds wonderful. Welcome back...I'm excited to see how ED goes for you
@Pinky917 Welcome! I hope your stay here is short for the best reasons.
@WillRunForWine21 That was beautiful, and so true. I do remind myself often that everything we do is an act of the best kind of love, for each other and for our family. But reading your words really helps. Hope is romantic isn't it? Planning and doing for the future we envision for ourselves is romantic.
(I've been watching Twin Peaks, so my ugly cry gif was an easy selection, LOL)
Me: 45 OH: 42 Beloved SS: born 12/2011 TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016 **TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW** August 2016 - dx with DOR Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T May 2017 - began freezing sperm June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
@kariann323 Short answer: you need to see an RE instead. That place isn't going to help you.
If it is pcos, you could be in the category that ovulates but has egg quality issues increasing chances of mc, but an RE should treat you not an ob. Also, embryo quality issues can equally be caused by egg or sperm so make sure yh gets an sa that looks at morphology and dna frag instead of just count and motility. (Sicne you've had two losses this should be standard but make sure to ask because not all andrologists check dna frag.)
Ask for fsh and amh blood tests. You may want to have genetic testing (a standard like counsyl or recombine) too.
THIS. @adirat is correct, @KariAnn323 . My losses were assumed progesterone, because mine was low the ONE time they checked it, and my other tests were fine. I was pissed because that meant we had that AND MFI (low count, morph, motility, etc). Over a YEAR later, we were told by our new RE to get some additional sperm testing done. DNAF and HDS. Come to find out, his sperm is VERY fragmented. This means two things. 1, there is less of a chance of a sperm penetrating the egg at all, so low, low, low rates of conception, but also 2, the sperm that DID make it in, had a 60/40 shot of being fragmented, thus creating an embryo that was not viable- causing me to miscarry. *Just a note, the 60/40 was our odds, not everyone's odds.
It's also important to know that while most men who have increased fragmentation also present with some other MFI issues, some come back with a perfectly good SA. I'd encourage you to get the test anyway. for us it was only about $300. But I'd pay that a thousand times more if it meant I could at the very least be prepared to miscarry if I got KU again.
For anyone worried about this potential, there are things you can do, sorta. The most recommended thing for frag is similar to those with regular sperm issues. Quit smoking, no hot tubs, etc. but also, check for varicoceles. Even subclinical varicoceles can cause enough damage to fragment the DNA. Also CoQ10 and antioxidants have been shown to show some improvement. If those don't work, IVF with IMSI and PGS is recommended, though for those with really high rates, they recommend TESE because damage tend to happen later, after the sperm has left the testicles.
@lund - I have not been there, but I have been super interested. I am swaying between that clinic and CNY, because of the costs. I am located in SW Missouri, so that one would be more convenient, but really only slightly, because it's several hours away. If you find anything out, let me know. I have asked that question before with no responses.
TTC #1 since September 2014 Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI
(count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low
progesterone Check out my Infertility blog Check out my Infertility Instagram
Loss History (TW):
BFP: 3 May 2015, loss confirmed 4 June 2015 BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015 BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015 BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018 BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
TTC History (TW):
3 losses in 2015 Met with OBGYN in January 2016 Me: all clear, H: OAT November 2016: HSG = All
Clear!
January 2017: H tested again, High DNA fragmentation and stainability
February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt
#1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17 December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC) Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA) FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018 May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus" FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo. BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019 Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two! Lost Baby A 02 July 2018 Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018 Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel.
Next Up:
TTC Naturally, possibly IUIs for remainder of 2018. ER#2 ~Jan 2019
@aurora1973 I don't know. If your doc thinks it's useful because of your corpus luteum then I'd keep doing it. I can only tell you what my RE said. At my first ever RE appt, I had an afc ultrasound at 8dpo and he sought out my corpus luteum to confirm ovulation and see whether the localized pain I get corresponds with the side where I ovulate. When he found and measured it, he remarked that it was unusually small. In a vacuum I don't know that this would be a remarkable finding but when my genetic testing results came back showing fragile x premutation (which is known to cause premature ovarian insufficiency and insufficient corpus luteum/lpd) the two things together added up to me needing progesterone supplementation. My genetic condition means I don't make enough progesterone, regardless of egg quality/viability.
That said, he did taper me off progesterone earlier than they do for ivf because if the fetus is viable, its placenta takes over by week 8. I was nervous at first but now that I've gone through a loss I know I would rather have a loss sooner rather than later if it's inevitable. I'll note that my loss had nothing to do with progesterone or progesterone cessation if that informs your decision. I hope this very wordy answer kind of helps...
Re: IF/Testing Weekly Check In 6/19
@TravelingCouple I'm sorry your scan didn't show more follies. If you tend to O later, perhaps your body is just doing its thing and you'll have more to see at the next scan.
Dating since: 11/17/2001
Married: 9/26/2009
TTC: June 2016
EDD: 5/14/2018
Dating: 2/2007 Married: 4/2011
TTC #1: 9/2016
*TW*
BFP #2: 3/9/2017 - CP: 3/10/2017
08/2017: DH's SA = normal
08/2017: Low progesterone (4.6) all other BW normal
11/2017: HSG Clear; Pelvic Ultrasound Normal; and AMH, FSH, and Estradiol normal
12/2017: 1,000mg Metformin
12/2017: 50mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: 100mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: RE Consult
03/2018: 5mg Letrozole + 50 units Gonal-F + 500 μg Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #3: 4/1/2018 - CP: 4/4/2018
04/2018: 5mg Letrozole + Gonal-F + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #4: 5/2/18
I'm sorry @TravelingCouple. It's so hard when it feels like nothing in your life is working out the way you want it to.
@vflux33 Add me to the list of people getting a dupe message. I tried PMing you so as to not clog this thread, but in a fun twist my bump mobile isn't letting me add recipients to a new PM. Sorry that you're having to resend all these.
Welcome to the newbies. Congrats on everyone who had good or promising news. I tried to join the new group but I think I have to be approved.
Cycle/CD: CD 6
Any questions?
GTKY: If you had to pick a new screen name, what would it be and why? Maybe I wouldn't have used my actual name to be a little more anonymous but I'm not good at coming up with cool screen names.
2017 - egg retrieval #1 - 3 eggs, 0 embryos appropriate for transfer; ER #2 2 eggs, 0 embryos on day 3; ER #3 1 egg 0 embryos
moved to donor egg in summer 2017; 35 eggs retrieved; 19 fertilized; 9 total embryos
Fresh transfer Dec 2017= BFP! baby boy born 8/22/18
May 2019 - surprise natural pregnancy ended in MC
Nov 2019 FET; MC at 9 weeks
May 2020 FET; BFN
July 2020 FET; CP treated with methotrexate
Oct 2020 BFP!
Take a look at my blog
@KariAnn323 That's bizarre. What supp are you on? Can your doctor try you on another? (tw) I also have lpd from insufficient corpus luteum. When I was pregnant and spotting like crazy, they started me on endometrin which did nothing. They switched me to crinone and it was night and day -- the spotting stopped in 24 hours and my levels stayed above 15.
@laurad75 I'm glad you had a great trip! I'm totally ignorant of DE so forgive me if this is obvious, but why would you need another hsg?
Married: 2/1/2012
TTC #1 since August 2016
DH SA Dec 2016: Low count (11.7 mil total motile), 5% morphology, 73% motility
Blood work June 2017: AMH 1.1 (ugh), FSH 8.4, LH: 5.2, estradiol 28 pg/ML, progesterone 7.4
HSG July 2017: tubes clear
BFP 7/24/17 - EDD 4/5/2018
Dating: 2/2007 Married: 4/2011
TTC #1: 9/2016
*TW*
BFP #2: 3/9/2017 - CP: 3/10/2017
08/2017: DH's SA = normal
08/2017: Low progesterone (4.6) all other BW normal
11/2017: HSG Clear; Pelvic Ultrasound Normal; and AMH, FSH, and Estradiol normal
12/2017: 1,000mg Metformin
12/2017: 50mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: 100mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: RE Consult
03/2018: 5mg Letrozole + 50 units Gonal-F + 500 μg Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #3: 4/1/2018 - CP: 4/4/2018
04/2018: 5mg Letrozole + Gonal-F + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #4: 5/2/18
AFM: I wasn't sure whether my gyn ordered AMH, but she did and it just came back at 2.68. I think this level is ok, right?
Dating since: 11/17/2001
Married: 9/26/2009
TTC: June 2016
EDD: 5/14/2018
Also @travelingcouple ugh so sorry that you aren't responding well to the Letrozole. How long have you been on the injectible? Perhaps it might be good that you ovulate a bit later if you can do more of the injectible and grow that follie? *hugs*
@50wife I am so you find yourself here, but welcome. This board is an amazing group of women who truly are there for each other. Your post definitely resonated with me, and I am sure a lot of the women here. This journey is rough and totally unfair. We are all here for you if you need anything at all
@laurad75 I hope you had a great vacation!!
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Me: 28 Him: 30
Married: 11/15/14
TTC: 02/2016
IF DX: MFI (low count & morphology) & mild PCOS
June 2016 BFP - MC @8w2d
August 2016 BFP - MC @6w1d
June 2017 - 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP 7/6/17!!
Beta #1 = 422 (14dpo), Beta #2 = 810, prog - 12.3 (16dpo), Beta #3 = 5023, prog - 18.9 (20dpo)
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@BertieMeetsGertie Yes - so many recommendations. Hot chicken at Hattie B's (line is long but moves quickly), go to the Burlesque show at Skulls which is a little ways from the main drag on Broadway but super cool. Broadway is really fun. All the bars are awesome depending on the band playing. The restaurant, Husk, for a nice meal (the cheeseburger was delicious). We didn't make it to Bluebird Cafe or Biscuit Love but those are two places I would have liked to go. DM me if you want to chat about specifics.
2017 - egg retrieval #1 - 3 eggs, 0 embryos appropriate for transfer; ER #2 2 eggs, 0 embryos on day 3; ER #3 1 egg 0 embryos
moved to donor egg in summer 2017; 35 eggs retrieved; 19 fertilized; 9 total embryos
Fresh transfer Dec 2017= BFP! baby boy born 8/22/18
May 2019 - surprise natural pregnancy ended in MC
Nov 2019 FET; MC at 9 weeks
May 2020 FET; BFN
July 2020 FET; CP treated with methotrexate
Oct 2020 BFP!
Take a look at my blog
Cycle/CD: cycle 15/ CD2
Any questions?
GTKY: If you had to pick a new screen name, what would it be and why? Since I have been lurking since Monday I have had some time to think about this
Since there is no way I am going to be able to catch up with everything, please accept my love-tits as hugs and good vibes for all.
@dragonette505 I am so sorry to see you back over here.
@antoto I am so friggin excited for you!!!!!
Married 9/2015
TTC #1 6/2016
Dx Unexplained IF 6/2017
Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI 7/2017 - Cancelled (overstimulated)
Letrozole + Ovidrel + IUI #1 - BFN
Letrozole + Ovidrel + IUI #2 -BFN
Letrozole + Ovidrel + IUI#3 - BFP! EDD July 15 2018
Baby Girl H - July 22 2018
Married: 2/1/2012
TTC #1 since August 2016
DH SA Dec 2016: Low count (11.7 mil total motile), 5% morphology, 73% motility
Blood work June 2017: AMH 1.1 (ugh), FSH 8.4, LH: 5.2, estradiol 28 pg/ML, progesterone 7.4
HSG July 2017: tubes clear
BFP 7/24/17 - EDD 4/5/2018
@pinky917 Sorry you find yourself here friend
@BertieMeetsGertie Yep! Any amh over 2 is good news indicating plenty of eggs.
@KariAnn323 (tw) Sorry, to clarify, you had low progesterone, started supplements, and had an MC anyway? That isn't a progesterone problem then
Married: 2/1/2012
TTC #1 since August 2016
DH SA Dec 2016: Low count (11.7 mil total motile), 5% morphology, 73% motility
Blood work June 2017: AMH 1.1 (ugh), FSH 8.4, LH: 5.2, estradiol 28 pg/ML, progesterone 7.4
HSG July 2017: tubes clear
BFP 7/24/17 - EDD 4/5/2018
@laurad75 fabulous, thanks! I'll add those to my list!
@Pinky917 welcome, but sorry to see you posting here!
Dating since: 11/17/2001
Married: 9/26/2009
TTC: June 2016
EDD: 5/14/2018
@Pinky917 I'm sorry to see you here, but you are in good company. I know it can be defeating, but we're all here for you
I just un-added and re-added everyone in this thread who said they were having trouble and wanted to be included. Keep tagging if you still have an issue!
Married: 2/1/2012
TTC #1 since August 2016
DH SA Dec 2016: Low count (11.7 mil total motile), 5% morphology, 73% motility
Blood work June 2017: AMH 1.1 (ugh), FSH 8.4, LH: 5.2, estradiol 28 pg/ML, progesterone 7.4
HSG July 2017: tubes clear
BFP 7/24/17 - EDD 4/5/2018
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Me: 28 Him: 30
Married: 11/15/14
TTC: 02/2016
IF DX: MFI (low count & morphology) & mild PCOS
June 2016 BFP - MC @8w2d
August 2016 BFP - MC @6w1d
June 2017 - 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP 7/6/17!!
Beta #1 = 422 (14dpo), Beta #2 = 810, prog - 12.3 (16dpo), Beta #3 = 5023, prog - 18.9 (20dpo)
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Going to order It Starts With the Egg tonight. What testing can I request from my OB specifically for egg quality? My appointment is at the end of July and our year mark is the beginning September. I'm going to try to get my OB to do as much testing as he's will to do since the RE has an even longer wait time (wait time for OB is 6 weeks). At this point if old fashioned penis in vagina isn't going to work for us I'd rather know earlier than later.
Dating: 2/2007 Married: 4/2011
TTC #1: 9/2016
*TW*
BFP #2: 3/9/2017 - CP: 3/10/2017
08/2017: DH's SA = normal
08/2017: Low progesterone (4.6) all other BW normal
11/2017: HSG Clear; Pelvic Ultrasound Normal; and AMH, FSH, and Estradiol normal
12/2017: 1,000mg Metformin
12/2017: 50mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: 100mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: RE Consult
03/2018: 5mg Letrozole + 50 units Gonal-F + 500 μg Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #3: 4/1/2018 - CP: 4/4/2018
04/2018: 5mg Letrozole + Gonal-F + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #4: 5/2/18
Pinky917 Hooray for your IUI! Good to see you here (though of course, sorry for the reason!)
laurad75 welcome back from vaca.... thinking about it made me hongray!
If it is pcos, you could be in the category that ovulates but has egg quality issues increasing chances of mc, but an RE should treat you not an ob. Also, embryo quality issues can equally be caused by egg or sperm so make sure yh gets an sa that looks at morphology and dna frag instead of just count and motility. (Sicne you've had two losses this should be standard but make sure to ask because not all andrologists check dna frag.)
Ask for fsh and amh blood tests. You may want to have genetic testing (a standard like counsyl or recombine) too.
@50Wife and @Pinky917 and @LeilaK9288 so sorry you are here but welcome and all the hugs and support to you as you make the initial jump on th@vflux33
I have been a little off the grid a couple days sorry all, my love tits are huge hugs
@vflux33 sorry I missed you yeterday but FX for the IUI
@kiki75 Thank you for the heads up, I inquired about a Gonal trigger but the doctor said that making the follies doesn't seem to be the issue because the 3 (thought became 2) was appropriate.
@madspunk sorry I missed you by a couple days but at day 11 my 3 follies where 14 and under, I don't remember exactly but something to the tune of 10, 12, 14. I triggered on day 14 and had the IUI day 16 which is a day or two later than typical for me.
AFM: I started cycle 2 today. Everything looks good (no cysts, etc) and RE is pleased with how I responded to 50mg of clomid so she wants to stick with that dosage. HOWEVER, she also alerted me that there is a national shortage of clomid?!?!!? Has anyone heard this???? So if we cant get it I will go to letrozole. Mixed feelings. 1. I know I resond well to Clomid 2. it didn't work....
Also, because there were a couple of tough days for some this week, I just want to throw some good thoughts to this community. On the subject of IF sucking romance out of baby making...
general *TW* for health.... My husband spent a week in the ICU April of 2015 in diabetic ketoacidosis. It was terrifying mostly because we had no idea he was diabetic. He was diagnosed type 1 diabetes as a 29 year old when adolescence is more common. He had lost 70 pounds over 6 months and was just so sick. Anyways, it was an adjustment for us and needles became a way of life. I still typically do his night time shot because he has very little body fat and its easier to inject in the butt. We were newlyweds and learned how to deal with romance and intimacy in a very different way and we are trying our best to bring that to this journey.... It is not romantic to have a transvaginal ultrasound shoved up you more than your husband is in a given cycle, BUT think aout what you are doing for each other and your future family. Two people and too many shots of tequila have the ability to make a baby. We have had to commit to injections, awkward things in our ladybits, husbands who have to jerk off in a cup in the middle of a sterile office. If that isn't romance, what is?
Just a thought to throw out in the IF world. My current mantra is: "today may not be a good day. But there IS good in today". And sometimes that good is just knowing there is someone out there who loves me so much that he is with me on this journey.
Ok, off the soapbox and I hope everyone finds their good in today
Together: 11/2008, married: 3/2014
DH: Type 1 Diabetes, (dx 4/15) Celiac Disease (dx 11/14), Treatment induced Neuropathy of Diabetes (dx 7/15)
DH SA: 11/16: low count and low motility
DH SA: 12/16: borderline low, count and motility
1/20/17: BFP, 1/24/17: CP
5/17:low AMH (0.89)
6/17: first IUI cycle, 50 mg clomid + ovidrel + IUI: 2 follies, BFN (count 58 million, 97% motility)
7/17: second IUI, 2.5 letrozole, OPK, IUI: 1 follie, BFN (count 9.5 million swimming- dont know percentage)
8/17: third IUI, 5.0 letrozole,
My friend IRL is using them for IVF because they only charge $7000. I'm skeptical, but they have an over 60% average live birth rate, and in the month of April their clinic had over 75% fresh FET BFP rate. Frozen was about 71%.
Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not discuss publicly
Married: 2/1/2012
TTC #1 since August 2016
DH SA Dec 2016: Low count (11.7 mil total motile), 5% morphology, 73% motility
Blood work June 2017: AMH 1.1 (ugh), FSH 8.4, LH: 5.2, estradiol 28 pg/ML, progesterone 7.4
HSG July 2017: tubes clear
BFP 7/24/17 - EDD 4/5/2018
@laurad75 Eating your way through vacation sounds amazing. I travel for work so I went ahead and just jotted those restaurants down. I did this yesterday with a noodle thread that got closed down
@TravelingCouple ((hugs))
@WillRunForWine21 *ugly cries*
Dating: 2/2007 Married: 4/2011
TTC #1: 9/2016
*TW*
BFP #2: 3/9/2017 - CP: 3/10/2017
08/2017: DH's SA = normal
08/2017: Low progesterone (4.6) all other BW normal
11/2017: HSG Clear; Pelvic Ultrasound Normal; and AMH, FSH, and Estradiol normal
12/2017: 1,000mg Metformin
12/2017: 50mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: 100mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: RE Consult
03/2018: 5mg Letrozole + 50 units Gonal-F + 500 μg Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #3: 4/1/2018 - CP: 4/4/2018
04/2018: 5mg Letrozole + Gonal-F + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #4: 5/2/18
TTC #2 - August 2016
MFI
IUI #1-3 BFN
BFP 4/21/18 MMC 6/11/18
Dating since: 11/17/2001
Married: 9/26/2009
TTC: June 2016
EDD: 5/14/2018
@KariAnn323 I'm sorry you will have to see the RE, but so glad you got the info you needed so you can do it ASAP. The ladies around here really are amazing.
Speaking of which, @adirat, my OB who has also worked in IVF, suggested he thinks my corpus luteum may be insufficient (although that was before I started taking many of the supplements I do now for egg quality), plus I've had one loss (so we can't call it RPL, but it was unexplained). I did prometrium (progesterone) supplementation last cycle, and it increased my LP from 10 to 13 days. Since it's having the desired effect, would you say that supplementation in my case is a good idea? Or am I delaying the inevitable, too?
@laurad75 So glad you had a great vacation! Sounds wonderful. Welcome back...I'm excited to see how ED goes for you
@Pinky917 Welcome! I hope your stay here is short for the best reasons.
@WillRunForWine21 That was beautiful, and so true. I do remind myself often that everything we do is an act of the best kind of love, for each other and for our family. But reading your words really helps. Hope is romantic isn't it? Planning and doing for the future we envision for ourselves is romantic.
(I've been watching Twin Peaks, so my ugly cry gif was an easy selection, LOL)
Beloved SS: born 12/2011
TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016
**TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW**
August 2016 - dx with DOR
Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T
May 2017 - began freezing sperm
June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T
July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba
July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
THIS. @adirat is correct, @KariAnn323 . My losses were assumed progesterone, because mine was low the ONE time they checked it, and my other tests were fine. I was pissed because that meant we had that AND MFI (low count, morph, motility, etc). Over a YEAR later, we were told by our new RE to get some additional sperm testing done. DNAF and HDS. Come to find out, his sperm is VERY fragmented. This means two things. 1, there is less of a chance of a sperm penetrating the egg at all, so low, low, low rates of conception, but also 2, the sperm that DID make it in, had a 60/40 shot of being fragmented, thus creating an embryo that was not viable- causing me to miscarry. *Just a note, the 60/40 was our odds, not everyone's odds.
It's also important to know that while most men who have increased fragmentation also present with some other MFI issues, some come back with a perfectly good SA. I'd encourage you to get the test anyway. for us it was only about $300. But I'd pay that a thousand times more if it meant I could at the very least be prepared to miscarry if I got KU again.
For anyone worried about this potential, there are things you can do, sorta. The most recommended thing for frag is similar to those with regular sperm issues. Quit smoking, no hot tubs, etc. but also, check for varicoceles. Even subclinical varicoceles can cause enough damage to fragment the DNA. Also CoQ10 and antioxidants have been shown to show some improvement. If those don't work, IVF with IMSI and PGS is recommended, though for those with really high rates, they recommend TESE because damage tend to happen later, after the sperm has left the testicles.
@lund - I have not been there, but I have been super interested. I am swaying between that clinic and CNY, because of the costs. I am located in SW Missouri, so that one would be more convenient, but really only slightly, because it's several hours away. If you find anything out, let me know. I have asked that question before with no responses.
Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI (count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low progesterone
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BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015
BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015
BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day
BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018
BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
Met with OBGYN in January 2016
Me: all clear, H: OAT
November 2016: HSG = All Clear!
January 2017: H tested again, High DNA fragmentation and stainability
February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt #1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17
December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization
January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC)
Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA)
FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018
May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus"
FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo.
BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019
Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two!
Lost Baby A 02 July 2018
Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018
Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel.
ER#2 ~Jan 2019
That said, he did taper me off progesterone earlier than they do for ivf because if the fetus is viable, its placenta takes over by week 8. I was nervous at first but now that I've gone through a loss I know I would rather have a loss sooner rather than later if it's inevitable. I'll note that my loss had nothing to do with progesterone or progesterone cessation if that informs your decision. I hope this very wordy answer kind of helps...