Anyone have flat nipples? Is there anything I can do besides a shell or pumping for a minute to draw nipple out? I'm thinking that's why LO won't latch without shield. But again that's 8 million steps that nobody has time for especially when NIP.
This article has some great info about flat/inverted nipples, including the Hoffman technique and other tips for helping draw them out.
Anyone have flat nipples? Is there anything I can do besides a shell or pumping for a minute to draw nipple out? I'm thinking that's why LO won't latch without shield. But again that's 8 million steps that nobody has time for especially when NIP.
I have one flat nipple that we started out on with a shield and we've slowly weaned off as LO has loosened the adhesions that made it so flat. It still takes extra extra time to latch him, though and I have a crack from a bad latch that isn't healing very quickly. I am using a shell right now and it's great for keeping the nipple out during the day, but at night when I get engorged and I'm not wearing it it's back to square one. I can sometimes get it to stand up enough for LO to latch by rolling/tweaking it, but by the time I do that I'm leaking like crazy, so still messy. Sigh.
Anyone have flat nipples? Is there anything I can do besides a shell or pumping for a minute to draw nipple out? I'm thinking that's why LO won't latch without shield. But again that's 8 million steps that nobody has time for especially when NIP.
For the first time today I got LO to latch without pumping or using the shield first, but I pinched and rolled the heck out of it to get it to be less flat before I put her on. But usually I have the same problem
I tried to look this up but couldn't find anything. I took the baby to the ENT (at the suggestion of the LC) to have her evaluated for lip/tongue ties and, as I kind of thought, she doesn't have either. The ENT said that when she sucked her tongue doesn't undulate to effieciently express the milk out so she gets tired and just falls asleep after a few minutes but it isn't due to a physical usue ( like a tongue tie) it is more of a developmental issue. She said that this is usually resolved around 6-8 weeks when baby 'figures it out'. She said that babies don't always figure it out though. She's going to be 7 weeks tomorrow. I'm thinking I'll give breastfeeding another week to see if her suck improves and starts to nurse more efficiently. If not, then maybe I'll try to pump. Does anyone know if there are other things I can do to help her figure out the right way to suck?
I just did some more research because she really does have all the symptoms of a tongue tie. I'm thinking she may have a 4th degree 'sneaky' tongue tie. I'm wondering if the ENT missed it now. She didn't observe her cry and I believe that's one of the ways to diagnose it. I'd like to get a second opinion but want to make sure that the dr. Is familiar with this. Anyone know if there's a way to look up Dr.s familiar with this particular condition? I've been battling so hard to push on with breastfeeding and don't want to give up if it can be fixed. @Emerald27 have you ever heard of this? Thanks
@imagine7696030614 Like @cantisa said, there are suck training exercises you can do with LO. See an IBCLC to be shown how to do it properly.
I would get a second opinion, though. Perhaps baby has what's known as a posterior tongue tie. They're farther back and hard to see. You said the ENT did not observe LO crying. Did she lay baby's head back onto her lap and lift her tongue with two fingers? Or did she just glance in baby's mouth?
The best way to find a practitioner who is very familiar with ties is to contact La Leche League or ask for a good referral from an IBCLC. The local LLL Leaders or IBCLC will be able to recommend a few practitioners in your area for you to choose from. If you were in VA, I could recommend some.
My hospital gave me info about a breast feeding app that I wanted to share. It's called latchME and it shows you where breastfeeding friendly stores, doctors, support groups, and lactation consultants.
@JessAnnJ just want to say I admire your dedication! I'm glad you and LO seem to be moving toward nursing more and pumping less. I hope it continues to improve for you!
@JessAnnJ just want to say I admire your dedication! I'm glad you and LO seem to be moving toward nursing more and pumping less. I hope it continues to improve for you!
Thank you! What seemed impossible is now starting to seem possible.
@imagine7696030614 we saw an OT that evaluated DD2 and then taught us exercises. Maybe you can call the LC you saw and ask about that? Or the LC consultant may be able to suggest some exercises. There is definitely something you can do besides waiting.
I think I am choking my child with my oversupply! ( She cries and unlatched after I hear her gulping furiously and trying to keep up. She spits up a lot and often had milk all over her face after I feed her. I feel awful. I need to start pumping for appts and to not be attached to my child constantly but how do I do that without making this issue worse? How do I fix this issue to begin with? She is starting to not relatch after a particularly bad time at it. I am worried she will stop wanting to take the boob/be afraid of me. I am being totally irrationally emotional about it too.
Try some block feeding. Two feedings on the left, two on the right. Then the rest of the day as normal. In a few days to a week, you will probably be less engorged and baby will have an easier time. When you're nursing on the left, if the right becomes uncomfortably full, hand express or pump a bit, but don't empty the breast. Just make yourself comfortable. Stick whatever you get in the freezer.
Also, try side lying nursing with a towel, cloth diaper or burp cloth under you (excess milk can dribble out the side of baby's mouth), and laid back breastfeeding. Google it for videos and tips/advice for how to nurse in this position. Gravity makes the milk flow less strong.
As for pumping, see what you get when you pump a bit after a morning feeding. It may be worth waiting until you get your oversupply sorted out first.
@emerald27 I had read your advice to do laid back feeding to others and that does seem to help. Thank you! I will try the side lying feeding and the block feeding the rest of the week. I kept hoping that my supply would regulate but it seems to be getting worse if that is possible It seems like sometimes I have a forceful letdown and that makes it worse at certain points? How can I tell when a letdown is coming on? I am just guessing cause I don't really know what that means :-/ but if I pull back when she is choking and self-express, it shoots out like a stream. Will block feeding help that?
@emerald27 I had read your advice to do laid back feeding to others and that does seem to help. Thank you! I will try the side lying feeding and the block feeding the rest of the week. I kept hoping that my supply would regulate but it seems to be getting worse if that is possible It seems like sometimes I have a forceful letdown and that makes it worse at certain points? How can I tell when a letdown is coming on? I am just guessing cause I don't really know what that means :-/ but if I pull back when she is choking and self-express, it shoots out like a stream. Will block feeding help that?
If you're able to feel letdown, you can preemptively unlatch LO gently with a finger and collect the fast-flowing milk in a towel (or bottle - save it!). Or you can watch LO for signs that the flow has picked up again and gently unlatch her to catch the excess milk.
@emerald27 I know it has been said before but you rock. I really appreciate all your help and I have used other advice I read you give others. So really, you are wonderful!
@emerald27 I know it has been said before but you rock. I really appreciate all your help and I have used other advice I read you give others. So really, you are wonderful!
This might be a silly question, but what does letdown feel like for those of you who notice it?
It's a tingly, sometimes tight feeling for me.
This for me too. It hurts a bit sometimes. For the first few weeks I didn't notice it while bfing, only at random times throughout the day, now I notice it both.
If your lo spits up while burping them do you keep burping? My guy has nasty gas and I'm trying to be really good about getting burps but sometimes I wonder if I'm causing him to spit up. I'm also trying to cut down on bf sessions as they are really lengthy!
He is 5 wks old now. Can someone tell me the average time they spend nursing from each breast?? We were averaging around 13-15 min per side with the last few minutes seeming like he's comfort sucking. The last few days though he has nursed less time, (about 10 min per side) been super sleepy, and eating more frequently. Don't know what caused the change.
@Jennyc00 Perhaps he is growing. They tend to need more sleep and to nurse more frequently during growth spurts. Try not to worry, though; watch the baby, not the clock. When you nurse on demand, you can trust that they're getting enough as long as weight gain, diaper output, and disposition are good.
Why are you trying to cut back on nursing sessions? Do you mean that you're trying to shorten them or do fewer total sessions? Be careful trying to manage LO's feedings too much. The frequency with which they nurse and length of time have everything to do from how hungry they are to mom's storage capacity and to their growth and developmental needs at that moment. Distracting baby from nursing when he is hungry may deprive him of milk he really needs.
Maybe try burping him less vigorously? A gentle rub or pat can often get any gas out without bringing spit up with it.
Thank you @emerald! I feel like I'm spending way too much time burping him which is what I was thinking of cutting back on. I'm probably over doing it and causing some spit up. Bf is so confusing for ftm's! We are slowly getting the hang of it though.
So been having be issues and really painful nipples. First thought LO couldn't latch right, then thought maybe I wasn't producing enough cause she kept getting frustrated and was always hungry. Well she has suffered also with green poop and bad gas. Realized the issue is probably overproduction and strong letdown (which I confirmed yesterday as it squirted everywhere when I pulled out). She was also getting too much foremilk. Anyways now rotating boobs between feeds so the other is always engorged. Her poop is returning to the right color though and her feedings are spreading out. She's still pinching my nipple to slow the flow but hopefully that resolves soon too. I'm hoping we are now on the right track because so many times I have thought of quitting. Don't know how much longer I can take the nipple pain (it's been 6 weeks).
This might be a silly question, but what does letdown feel like for those of you who notice it?
It feels like pins and needles in my breast. I've also described it as feeling like an electric current in my boobs. It's definitely uncomfortable and sometimes painful.
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@imagine7696030614 Like @cantisa said, there are suck training exercises you can do with LO. See an IBCLC to be shown how to do it properly.
I would get a second opinion, though. Perhaps baby has what's known as a posterior tongue tie. They're farther back and hard to see. You said the ENT did not observe LO crying. Did she lay baby's head back onto her lap and lift her tongue with two fingers? Or did she just glance in baby's mouth?
The best way to find a practitioner who is very familiar with ties is to contact La Leche League or ask for a good referral from an IBCLC. The local LLL Leaders or IBCLC will be able to recommend a few practitioners in your area for you to choose from. If you were in VA, I could recommend some.
@Emerald27 thanks again. The ENT just examined baby while she was sitting upright on my lap. She did stick her fingers in her mouth but seemed pretty sure just by looking at her that she didn't have it. I just made an appointment with a dentist who trained under the leading tongue tie expert in the US ( at least that's what the internet said ) so she will be seen Tuesday for a second opinion. The doctor he trained under teaches to have baby laying flat on the lap during examination and also seems to place way more importance in the symptoms when evaluating. Kind of want her to have the tie so we can try to progress but kind of don't want her to because I'm afraid of the pain (you should've heard baby crying in the next room! ) Anyway, it's going to be tough waiting till Tuesday Seems she doesn't want to eat at all today..not even the bottle.
@imagine7696030614 Like @cantisa said, there are suck training exercises you can do with LO. See an IBCLC to be shown how to do it properly.
I would get a second opinion, though. Perhaps baby has what's known as a posterior tongue tie. They're farther back and hard to see. You said the ENT did not observe LO crying. Did she lay baby's head back onto her lap and lift her tongue with two fingers? Or did she just glance in baby's mouth?
The best way to find a practitioner who is very familiar with ties is to contact La Leche League or ask for a good referral from an IBCLC. The local LLL Leaders or IBCLC will be able to recommend a few practitioners in your area for you to choose from. If you were in VA, I could recommend some.
@Emerald27 thanks again. The ENT just examined baby while she was sitting upright on my lap. She did stick her fingers in her mouth but seemed pretty sure just by looking at her that she didn't have it. I just made an appointment with a dentist who trained under the leading tongue tie expert in the US ( at least that's what the internet said ) so she will be seen Tuesday for a second opinion. The doctor he trained under teaches to have baby laying flat on the lap during examination and also seems to place way more importance in the symptoms when evaluating. Kind of want her to have the tie so we can try to progress but kind of don't want her to because I'm afraid of the pain (you should've heard baby crying in the next room! ) Anyway, it's going to be tough waiting till Tuesday Seems she doesn't want to eat at all today..not even the bottle.
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I'm glad you're getting a second opinion! Yeah, you can't easily diagnose a posterior tie with baby sitting up. They have to lay back and tip their heads back so that they can open wide and be properly examined.
And I understand both hoping for a tie and not. On the one hand it's an answer with a quick-ish fix. On the other, that quick fix is also invasive and scary for us mamas. It's hard to know what to hope for - so just hope for the best!
And since LO is refusing food at the moment, it may help to do some skin-to-skin, which will likely rouse her rooting instinct and encourage nursing (or feeding if you prefer to give a bottle).
So LO turned 3 weeks old yesterday. I've noticed though that his nursing sessions are taking longer than they did in the first two weeks. He used to nurse 15-20 minutes per side per session, but now he sometimes spends 35 minutes on one boob! I'm worried maybe he's having a milk transfer issue. Shouldn't he be getting more efficient, not less? He still produces a good amount of dirty diapers per day, but he has been pretty randomly fussy as of late.
My friend thinks he might be comfort nursing during these marathon sessions, and that I should be detaching him if it gets that long, but it's hard for me to tell. His sucks do get lazy but I feel like I still hear occasional swallows. I don't want to pull him off me if he's not done, but these hour-long sessions are wearing on me. :-/
OK so now that I'm trying to alternate boobs because of overproduction my right boobs didn't get the memo making it difficult to nurse out of the left. I just woke up after not nursing on my right for 5.5 hours (I fed on the left about an hour ago) and it's hard as a rock. It's never been so engorged. Yesterday it was engorged every feed (which isn't normal). I tried to go as long as I could but several times I had to give in and nurse on that boobs too. What do I do? This is painful and LO still is getting too much foremilk and has green seedy pee.
OK so now that I'm trying to alternate boobs because of overproduction my right boobs didn't get the memo making it difficult to nurse out of the left. I just woke up after not nursing on my right for 5.5 hours (I fed on the left about an hour ago) and it's hard as a rock. It's never been so engorged. Yesterday it was engorged every feed (which isn't normal). I tried to go as long as I could but several times I had to give in and nurse on that boobs too. What do I do? This is painful and LO still is getting too much foremilk and has green seedy pee.
Green seedy poops alone are not a problem, but when baby is fussy at the breast or shows symptoms of reflux, and mom experiences frequent engorgement, then steps should be taken to reduce supply a bit.
So you're alternating breasts between feedings and righty is becoming engorged. That's ok and normal for a few days as your supply adjusts. When it's not righty's turn and it's engorged, nurse, pump, or hand express just enough to take the pressure off and make that breast comfortable. Just don't empty the breast.
OK so now that I'm trying to alternate boobs because of overproduction my right boobs didn't get the memo making it difficult to nurse out of the left. I just woke up after not nursing on my right for 5.5 hours (I fed on the left about an hour ago) and it's hard as a rock. It's never been so engorged. Yesterday it was engorged every feed (which isn't normal). I tried to go as long as I could but several times I had to give in and nurse on that boobs too. What do I do? This is painful and LO still is getting too much foremilk and has green seedy pee.
Green seedy poops alone are not a problem, but when baby is fussy at the breast or shows symptoms of reflux, and mom experiences frequent engorgement, then steps should be taken to reduce supply a bit.
So you're alternating breasts between feedings and righty is becoming engorged. That's ok and normal for a few days as your supply adjusts. When it's not righty's turn and it's engorged, nurse, pump, or hand express just enough to take the pressure off and make that breast comfortable. Just don't empty the breast.
Thanks. Yeah LO us on Zantac for reflux as well. Edit: smart text decided LOL was better than LO
I know there's been a lot of poop talk here but I'm wondering if there are others with babies that are pooping only every other day or every couple days. We talked to our pedi about this at the one month visit and she said she wasn't worried about it and that the frequency can vary in BF babies. I was mostly pumping and feeding on demand from bottle so I wasn't really that concerned about doing diaper counts. Yesterday I switched to mostly BFing and I am of course now more paranoid about everything. I've read conflicting things about poop frequency with some saying multiple times a day is normal and a sign of adequate calorie intake. I'm just curious if I'm the only one with an infrequent pooper. She's six weeks now but she's been having infrequent poops for a couple weeks.
I know there's been a lot of poop talk here but I'm wondering if there are others with babies that are pooping only every other day or every couple days. We talked to our pedi about this at the one month visit and she said she wasn't worried about it and that the frequency can vary in BF babies. I was mostly pumping and feeding on demand from bottle so I wasn't really that concerned about doing diaper counts. Yesterday I switched to mostly BFing and I am of course now more paranoid about everything. I've read conflicting things about poop frequency with some saying multiple times a day is normal and a sign of adequate calorie intake. I'm just curious if I'm the only one with an infrequent pooper. She's six weeks now but she's been having infrequent poops for a couple weeks.
My DS is EBF and has pooped just once a day since he was a couple days old. NBD.
ETA: try not to worry. Your pedi is right. BF baby poop varies quite a bit. If LO strains or is uncomfortable, or gets a fever, or if wet diapers reduce a lot, then call the pedi.
Any thoughts on how to increase supply on a single side? The abscess left me with a low supply on the left, and while I'm having DS nurse over there every feeding, it's hard to leave him over there a long time bc of his low transfer and weight gain issues. I just feel like he's expending so much energy there for little return.
Pump that breast after he nurses several times a day (or just when you can) for 15 minutes or so. That and frequent nursing will help bring your supply back up in that breast.
Pretty devastated. All of a sudden, DD refuses to latch. Granted she has been hungry, and probably didn't feel like figuring it out without the shield, but then when I out the shield on she still went crazy..
@Emerald27 thanks! DH gave her a bottle first thing in the morning yesterday and she got one before bed but the rest of the day I managed to BF her without giving any bottles. This is the first time we have managed this. I EPed with DD1. Huge accomplishment for us, but now I have a new worry that she might not be getting enough because this is all new to me. I was only nursing twice a day, supplementing after, and pumping the rest. She didn't seem that hungry after nursing and at our lactation appointment on Monday she was able transfer an ounce in six minutes so I know she is capable of getting a meal. So rather than try to force a bottle on her I decided to cut some pumps and bring her to the breast every time she acts hungry and not offer a bottle immediately after BFing if she seems happy and has enough wet diapers. We are in day two so it's too soon to tell how things will go but I'm optimistic. My concerns now are 1) that I'll starve her, and 2) that my supply will drop and I won't make enough if I have to go back to EPing. But, I knew that I can't keep pumping 6 times a day because it's hard to time it so that I'm not mostly empty when she's hungry. She does not want to do the work to get milk out of a just pumped breast. I was also worried that the constant pumping and feeding would just make me so sore I would give up. Fingers crossed.
Pretty devastated. All of a sudden, DD refuses to latch. Granted she has been hungry, and probably didn't feel like figuring it out without the shield, but then when I out the shield on she still went crazy..
((Hugs)) it will be ok! Undress her down to a diaper and do some skin-to-skin, or have DH help you and LO take a warm bath together. Calming her and keeping her against your skin will help. Maybe once she is calm, begin the feeding with the shield and remove it half way through. Good luck!
Re: Breastfeeding Links & Talk
https://www.breastfeedingbasics.com/articles/flat-or-inverted-nipples
ETA: it's helpful to include the link you plan to post. Lol
I would get a second opinion, though. Perhaps baby has what's known as a posterior tongue tie. They're farther back and hard to see. You said the ENT did not observe LO crying. Did she lay baby's head back onto her lap and lift her tongue with two fingers? Or did she just glance in baby's mouth?
The best way to find a practitioner who is very familiar with ties is to contact La Leche League or ask for a good referral from an IBCLC. The local LLL Leaders or IBCLC will be able to recommend a few practitioners in your area for you to choose from. If you were in VA, I could recommend some.
She cries and unlatched after I hear her gulping furiously and trying to keep up. She spits up a lot and often had milk all over her face after I feed her. I feel awful.
I need to start pumping for appts and to not be attached to my child constantly but how do I do that without making this issue worse? How do I fix this issue to begin with? She is starting to not relatch after a particularly bad time at it. I am worried she will stop wanting to take the boob/be afraid of me. I am being totally irrationally emotional about it too.
Try some block feeding. Two feedings on the left, two on the right. Then the rest of the day as normal. In a few days to a week, you will probably be less engorged and baby will have an easier time. When you're nursing on the left, if the right becomes uncomfortably full, hand express or pump a bit, but don't empty the breast. Just make yourself comfortable. Stick whatever you get in the freezer.
Also, try side lying nursing with a towel, cloth diaper or burp cloth under you (excess milk can dribble out the side of baby's mouth), and laid back breastfeeding. Google it for videos and tips/advice for how to nurse in this position. Gravity makes the milk flow less strong.
As for pumping, see what you get when you pump a bit after a morning feeding. It may be worth waiting until you get your oversupply sorted out first.
It seems like sometimes I have a forceful letdown and that makes it worse at certain points? How can I tell when a letdown is coming on? I am just guessing cause I don't really know what that means :-/ but if I pull back when she is choking and self-express, it shoots out like a stream. Will block feeding help that?
Thank you thank you
If you're able to feel letdown, you can preemptively unlatch LO gently with a finger and collect the fast-flowing milk in a towel (or bottle - save it!). Or you can watch LO for signs that the flow has picked up again and gently unlatch her to catch the excess milk.
If your lo spits up while burping them do you keep burping? My guy has nasty gas and I'm trying to be really good about getting burps but sometimes I wonder if I'm causing him to spit up. I'm also trying to cut down on bf sessions as they are really lengthy!
He is 5 wks old now. Can someone tell me the average time they spend nursing from each breast?? We were averaging around 13-15 min per side with the last few minutes seeming like he's comfort sucking. The last few days though he has nursed less time, (about 10 min per side) been super sleepy, and eating more frequently. Don't know what caused the change.
Why are you trying to cut back on nursing sessions? Do you mean that you're trying to shorten them or do fewer total sessions? Be careful trying to manage LO's feedings too much. The frequency with which they nurse and length of time have everything to do from how hungry they are to mom's storage capacity and to their growth and developmental needs at that moment. Distracting baby from nursing when he is hungry may deprive him of milk he really needs.
Maybe try burping him less vigorously? A gentle rub or pat can often get any gas out without bringing spit up with it.
It feels like pins and needles in my breast. I've also described it as feeling like an electric current in my boobs. It's definitely uncomfortable and sometimes painful.
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@Emerald27 thanks again. The ENT just examined baby while she was sitting upright on my lap. She did stick her fingers in her mouth but seemed pretty sure just by looking at her that she didn't have it. I just made an appointment with a dentist who trained under the leading tongue tie expert in the US ( at least that's what the internet said
@Emerald27 thanks again. The ENT just examined baby while she was sitting upright on my lap. She did stick her fingers in her mouth but seemed pretty sure just by looking at her that she didn't have it. I just made an appointment with a dentist who trained under the leading tongue tie expert in the US ( at least that's what the internet said
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I'm glad you're getting a second opinion! Yeah, you can't easily diagnose a posterior tie with baby sitting up. They have to lay back and tip their heads back so that they can open wide and be properly examined.
And I understand both hoping for a tie and not. On the one hand it's an answer with a quick-ish fix. On the other, that quick fix is also invasive and scary for us mamas. It's hard to know what to hope for - so just hope for the best!
And since LO is refusing food at the moment, it may help to do some skin-to-skin, which will likely rouse her rooting instinct and encourage nursing (or feeding if you prefer to give a bottle).
My friend thinks he might be comfort nursing during these marathon sessions, and that I should be detaching him if it gets that long, but it's hard for me to tell. His sucks do get lazy but I feel like I still hear occasional swallows. I don't want to pull him off me if he's not done, but these hour-long sessions are wearing on me. :-/
So you're alternating breasts between feedings and righty is becoming engorged. That's ok and normal for a few days as your supply adjusts. When it's not righty's turn and it's engorged, nurse, pump, or hand express just enough to take the pressure off and make that breast comfortable. Just don't empty the breast.
Edit: smart text decided LOL was better than LO
ETA: try not to worry. Your pedi is right. BF baby poop varies quite a bit. If LO strains or is uncomfortable, or gets a fever, or if wet diapers reduce a lot, then call the pedi.