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freezorburn · September 2014

I have no idea. I'm so confused.

PipSqueak0313 · September 2014

Wasn't the claim that it's all the gunk coming out that makes them leak and then after a few washes the gunk is gone so they stop leaking? Or am I more confused than I think I am? BTW, @freezorburn‌ , what is this newborn you speak of? Sounds like I missed something somehow.

freezorburn · September 2014

Only the newborn I had 2 years ago that is now a toddler. I just can't forget the way MIL behaved back then. I'm seriously stressed out at the prospect of planning for a second child, partially because I am going to want her to stay away for the first few weeks, and I know that is going to start the next Cold War. But other than that, she's pretty great.

usernewname · September 2014

PipSqueak0313 said:
Wasn't the claim that it's all the gunk coming out that makes them leak and then after a few washes the gunk is gone so they stop leaking? Or am I more confused than I think I am?

That's what they say. Then the OP just ends up stripping again after 4 washes.

Rrrrrachel · September 2014

That doesn't make any sense.

RachelCA29 · September 2014

I don't get what why they call it a bleach "strip". You wash with bleach to remove bacteria, possibly color. What do they think they are stripping away with bleach that causes leaking?

usernewname · September 2014

"NOTE: Random leaking is common after stripping diapers.

This is a result of the impurities being brought to the surface and causing repelling.

Several thorough wash cycles following the stripping process will take care of this."

freezorburn · September 2014

This isn't science. It's alchemy.

Rrrrrachel · September 2014

Yeah I agree about over use of stripping. I wonder if the diapers are getting damaged, that's what's causing leaking, and then detergent build up is sealing it all back up. But that sounds pretty far fetched, too.

nevertune · September 2014

Noooo! They're invading the Twinkie Tush BST!

ETA: I love apple pie. I've made two from honeycrisps this season so far. And I've canned 4 batches of applesauce for the year.

nevertune · September 2014

There hasn't been any actual advice to disagree with yet. Just "Go join and they can help!"

stoneycakes · September 2014

This thread needs to derail into pie talk already.

TJ1979 · September 2014

stoneycakes said:

This thread needs to derail into pie talk already.

TJ1979 · September 2014

Let me take a few more bites and we can call it an even 50.

Mandmeesh · September 2014

TJ1979 said:

stoneycakes said:

This thread needs to derail into pie talk already.

Please kill it @nanaosaki06‌

Rrrrrachel · September 2014

That's definitely about 36% eaten.

usernewname · September 2014

freezorburn · September 2014

Mapleme said:

What about this:
"Sodium softens water by binding with Calcium and Magnesium forming solid, which can be rinsed off the fabric. However, if not rinsed thoroughly, the minerals can redeposit onto the fabric and cause problems."

Is this a real quote? Because this demonstrates a complete lack of understanding about how water softeners work.

freezorburn · September 2014

And are their post-stripping leaks actually getting resolved after additional washes?

Rrrrrachel · September 2014

It depends on precipitating vs non precipitating water softeners. Non precipitating bins hard water minerals and keep them suspended in the water, but keep the detergent from getting tied up dealing with them. Precipitating water softeners basically bind the minerals and knock them out of the water where they can redeposit on clothes if they're not rinsed properly. Rlr is non precipitating and so is Calgon, but washing soda and borax are precipitating. So I'm not sure which one to apply to their homemade mix, which is a mix of both types. I guess a precipitating softener could cause leaks?

usernewname · September 2014

freezorburn said:
And are their post-stripping leaks actually getting resolved after additional washes?

Maybe. But it seems some are caught in a cycle and like to strip regardless.

freezorburn · September 2014

^WSS. Also, the quote reads like a potential answer in a T/F question. Sodium ions cannot bind with Calcium and Magnesium ions because they are all positively charged. In solution, like does not attract like. Rather, it's the hydroxide ion (OH-) that binds with the Ca+ and Mg+ ions. My recall of chemistry is rather fuzzy, but I think there is something about the number of electrons that makes for a more stable bond with the Ca+ and Mg+, leaving the Na+ (sodium) without a partner in this lovely molecular square dance.

I'm wondering if the post-stripping leaks are repelling leaks, or is the PUL damaged?

usernewname · September 2014

Oh now we're bringing the periodic symbols in here?

I'm confused as it is.

Are they symbols. Letters? Labels? I need a lesson apparently in Chem 101.

freezorburn · September 2014

Normally I think multitasking is overrated, but I feel like I can easily talk about pie and fluff at the same time.

Mandmeesh · September 2014

stringy813 said:

Ok I just took the survey that they posted to see peoples wash routines and how they are successful. They never asked if there were any problems with stink or leaking after asking the details of the routine. Stupid. Sorry I'm a sucker for surveys

most people are. lol

usernewname · September 2014

stringy813 said:
Ok I just took the survey that they posted to see peoples wash routines and how they are successful. They never asked if there were any problems with stink or leaking after asking the details of the routine. Stupid.

Sorry I'm a sucker for surveys

Ita a pretty sweet prize though.

freezorburn · September 2014

usernewname said:

Oh now we're bringing the periodic symbols in here? I'm confused as it is. Are they symbols. Letters? Labels? I need a lesson apparently in Chem 101.

Apologies for my geeky shorthand. Na+, Ca+ and Mg+ are Sodium, Calcium and Magnesium ions respectively.

usernewname · September 2014

So ... they want people to have problems?

usernewname · September 2014

I think some of them look for a reason to strip as it's what everyone is doing.

#stripallthethings

freezorburn · September 2014

oh wait, I need more coffee. I shouldn't have even been talking about hydroxide, I should have been talking about chloride. So sub chloride for hydroxide in my last post. That said, I think it's the same principle at work, and what I really wanted to say was that the sodium, calcium and magnesium weren't going to have anything to do with eachother. I think there's a bunch of things at work with the ammonia burns we are seeing in these posts. Even their files make a distinction between detergent buildup (which they say is not a problem) and detergent residue. So maybe they are having detergent residue problems? Their answer for everything seems to be more detergent, after all.

usernewname · September 2014

@stringy813‌

$20 says your comment is ignored.

ETA I stand corrected.

freezorburn · September 2014

I wish I knew an organic chemist to ask about all this. I feel like I know the right questions to ask, but lack the knowledge base to figure it out. And the science that I've been able to look up online isn't really written up for practical applications like laundry.

freezorburn · September 2014

Ordinary table salt is sodium chloride. Na+Cl-. I believe the rock salt used in a water softener (now I'm talking about the machine that would tie in to your water supply) is also NaCl. I think the salts in the various laundry additives marketed as water softeners are a bit different. And work a little differently. Hence the whole precipitating/non-precipitating etc. I miss Car Talk. That was a great show.

nanabanana06 · September 2014

Soooo, what is going on here?

freezorburn · September 2014

Pie Talk and Diaper Talk. That is all.

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TJ1979 · September 2014

nanaosaki06 said:

Soooo, what is going on here?

You don't want to sift through 16 pages of the most boooooooorrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnng diaper talk ever?

nanabanana06 · September 2014

TJ1979 said:

nanaosaki06 said:

Soooo, what is going on here?

You don't want to sift through 16 pages of the most boooooooorrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnng diaper talk ever?

Not really. I knew it wasn't just 16 pages of talking about icky BG's.

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sarenu1 · September 2014

theultimatesak said:

TJ1979 said:

nanaosaki06 said:

Soooo, what is going on here?

You don't want to sift through 16 pages of the most boooooooorrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnng diaper talk ever?

i like that the rest of us are bored by actually talking diapers on the cloth diapering board

Let's get back on topic here, so who has a good pie crust recipe?

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