Ok, several things. I dont love the common core but hating it doesnt qualify you to homeschool. I have to have a 4 year degree and license to teach public school, there should be at least minimum qualifications for homeschool moms. Also, TX and Alaska are not the only states who "didnt jump on board" VA lost major federal funding for refusing common core and still dont use most of it.
I am choosing to homeschool because there is a fundamental breakdown in the education system in America. Too many teachers teach to a test instead of teaching kids how to think and learn. My kids wont be in a box. I am qualified and able to ensure that.
I guess no one else noticed "beast milk."
Also, I'm taking a bump break. I'll be back in a couple of hours.
Seriously though dont announce that you need a break because your real life is effed up and hard and then come back like 1 day later like nothing happened. To me that seems like a pity cry mixed with a tantrum..
UO: My friends are bad with money and it causes me anxiety about their futures, when really that's none of my business.
We have friends like this too. Even worse, we have family friends (in their 60s) like this, and it's painful to know that they will never be able to retire.
My ILs were like this until my H had a serious talk with them a few years ago -- tears all around, but they actually really cleaned up their act after that and now my 67 year old FIL won't have to work until he drops.
Beyond I love my daddy or I love my mommy I think shirts that say " I love my auntie", worlds best nephew" or silly. Why does therehave to be an ode to someone in 50% of Carter's clothes?
Also, I'm taking a bump break. I'll be back in a couple of hours.
Hahah I clearly need to proof read. Bumping on my phone is harder than it looks!!
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I have a friend who is pregnant and since they announced it on Facebook, EVERY. SINGLE. POST. is about being pregnant or #growingababy #tiredmomma #morningsickness #nausea I can't deal. We get you're pregnant. There MUST be other things going on in your life. <---I don't like these kind of people.
Along those lines, on here, over dramatic people are dramatic about everything. There are a few people who I don't even read threads when they start them, because it's just over dramatic whining.
Beyond I love my daddy or I love my mommy I think shirts that say " I love my auntie", worlds best nephew" or silly. Why does there have to be an ode to someone in 50% of Carter's clothes?
Haha, my DH would give you a love tit for this. He has determined that it's some sort of rule that baby clothes must pander to someone.
My UO - I don't understand the point of marathons. Running is great and I'm all for the shorter races, but a marathon just seems so extreme. People collapse and pass out during them and I've heard they can take years off your life (may or may not be true).
Ok, several things. I dont love the common core but hating it doesnt qualify you to homeschool. I have to have a 4 year degree and license to teach public school, there should be at least minimum qualifications for homeschool moms. Also, TX and Alaska are not the only states who "didnt jump on board" VA lost major federal funding for refusing common core and still dont use most of it.
I am choosing to homeschool because there is a fundamental breakdown in the education system in America. Too many teachers teach to a test instead of teaching kids how to think and learn. My kids wont be in a box. I am qualified and able to ensure that.
I was unaware of that. All my reading always pointed to only Texas and Alaska holding out. I'm sorry if I was mistaken.
Is education in America perfect? Of course not. I don't claim it to be. But to say that kids as a whole are being taught "in a box" because of state and federal testing is a gross generalization. My children will attend public school and STILL won't be taught "in a box". I guarantee it.
My UO is that I want to home school my kids. I'm sick of teachers teaching to a test and not teaching in a way kids learn. I get that the tests are set up so that kids can meet certain standards, but I hate when some kids come out of high school only able to take a test on the material and not truly understand it. I also hate that schools now a days do not teach students how to be a functioning adult, but gear them for higher education. I feel like college isn't for everyone and we should be preparing kids to be successful in any environment that they choose to pursue, whether that be college, trade school, or straight into the work force.
If I'm not able to home school my kids, I will likely be looking into charter/private schools to provide a higher education than what if offered in the public school system.
Ok, several things. I dont love the common core but hating it doesnt qualify you to homeschool. I have to have a 4 year degree and license to teach public school, there should be at least minimum qualifications for homeschool moms. Also, TX and Alaska are not the only states who "didnt jump on board" VA lost major federal funding for refusing common core and still dont use most of it.
I am choosing to homeschool because there is a fundamental breakdown in the education system in America. Too many teachers teach to a test instead of teaching kids how to think and learn. My kids wont be in a box. I am qualified and able to ensure that.
I was unaware of that. All my reading always pointed to only Texas and Alaska holding out. I'm sorry if I was mistaken.
Is education in America perfect? Of course not. I don't claim it to be. But to say that kids as a whole are being taught "in a box" because of state and federal testing is a gross generalization. My children will attend public school and STILL won't be taught "in a box". I guarantee it.
I am a teacher and I am basing my "gross generalizations" off of observations in schools in 2 different states where I have worked and been made to teach certain things certain ways.
I'm a homeschooling mama. My kid gets to listen to and obey other authority figures in many extra-curriculars throughout the week. The neighbor moms all tell me he's welcome in their homes anytime. We have a rigorous academic program - in fact he's in school from 9-3 most days, then has chores to complete before he can go outside to play. He gets 2 hours of "screen time" per week.
My unpopular opinion? I think homeschooling gets a bad rap more because people only see it from the outside. Yeah, I had my kids at the local coffee shop this morning - we sat in on a town hall meeting with a Senate candidate. Yeah you might see us out for lunch - I reward my kid with lunch out for every 1500 pages he reads. Yeah, we might run errands all day - I plan my school year with DH's work schedule in mind - if he's got a week day off, it's a no-school day.
And of course, we have struggles with attitude, laziness, lack of motivation (from him and me!) to deal with along the way. Not everything is rainbow-vomiting unicorns in our home.
I hope this doesn't come across as confrontational. It's not meant to at all. I just want to be transparent about our lifestyle. If anyone has questions or comments, I'm happy to answer.
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My UO is that I want to home school my kids. I'm sick of teachers teaching to a test and not teaching in a way kids learn. I get that the tests are set up so that kids can meet certain standards, but I hate when some kids come out of high school only able to take a test on the material and not truly understand it. I also hate that schools now a days do not teach students how to be a functioning adult, but gear them for higher education. I feel like college isn't for everyone and we should be preparing kids to be successful in any environment that they choose to pursue, whether that be college, trade school, or straight into the work force.
If I'm not able to home school my kids, I will likely be looking into charter/private schools to provide a higher education than what if offered in the public school system.
I'm not sure where you live but in my high school we learned about trades and credit cards and credit scores and college and community college and prep schools. Wet weren't funneled into a college only curriculum. We had programs like preschool in the school for the community for free for students who might want to be teachers. We had basic electricity, live skills. Blah. You get what I mean
AZ has NONE OF THAT. If it did, I would consider public schools.
My UO is that I want to home school my kids. I'm sick of teachers teaching to a test and not teaching in a way kids learn. I get that the tests are set up so that kids can meet certain standards, but I hate when some kids come out of high school only able to take a test on the material and not truly understand it. I also hate that schools now a days do not teach students how to be a functioning adult, but gear them for higher education. I feel like college isn't for everyone and we should be preparing kids to be successful in any environment that they choose to pursue, whether that be college, trade school, or straight into the work force.
If I'm not able to home school my kids, I will likely be looking into charter/private schools to provide a higher education than what if offered in the public school system.
I'm not going to get into the homeschooling stuff, but I think it's more the parent's role to teach their kids to be a functioning adult. You can't expect school to do that for you. And many high schools do have vocational course offerings.
I can't remember whether we've talked about this before, so maybe a repeat. But what's the deal with ombre hair? It usually just looks like you're not keeping up with your roots...
My UO is that I want to home school my kids. I'm sick of teachers teaching to a test and not teaching in a way kids learn. I get that the tests are set up so that kids can meet certain standards, but I hate when some kids come out of high school only able to take a test on the material and not truly understand it. I also hate that schools now a days do not teach students how to be a functioning adult, but gear them for higher education. I feel like college isn't for everyone and we should be preparing kids to be successful in any environment that they choose to pursue, whether that be college, trade school, or straight into the work force.
If I'm not able to home school my kids, I will likely be looking into charter/private schools to provide a higher education than what if offered in the public school system.
I'm not going to get into the homeschooling stuff, but I think it's more the parent's role to teach their kids to be a functioning adult. You can't expect school to do that for you. And many high schools do have vocational course offerings.
None of the schools I've seen in AZ offer anything like that. So that's the perspective I'm coming from. I agree that parents do share some responsibility in helping their kid become a functioning adult. But I think there are ways schools can incorporate things like resume drafting, balancing a check book, and other life type tasks into the curriculum. In AZ, at least, none of that is included.
I can't remember whether we've talked about this before, so maybe a repeat. But what's the deal with ombre hair? It usually just looks like you're not keeping up with your roots...
I think some people it looks good on, if it's like a mild ombre, but liek Jared Leto ombre = icky.
@JillSandm What curriculum program do you use? I know I've got like 5 years to go before Alex starts school, but I like to plan and do research!
When we first started, we used a pre-packaged all in one curriculum (Sonlight). Over the years, we've transitioned to picking the best (for us) curriculum for each subject. Currently we use Horizons math, Alpha Omega language arts, Apologia science, and Mystery of History for our core classes. Then throw in a typing program, beginning Spanish, reading comprehension, spelling, logic, health, PE, Bible, and art.
We pick primarily religious material, but there's great secular material as well! And this next time around, I'm going to relax with preschool and kindergarten. Numbers, colors, letters, and writing your name, etc. So much of learning is in everyday living!
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My UO - I don't understand the point of marathons. Running is great and I'm all for the shorter races, but a marathon just seems so extreme. People collapse and pass out during them and I've heard they can take years off your life (may or may not be true).
Why does anyone do anything? My husbands a marathoner. It's a fitness accomplishment, one that takes him to fun places and surrounds him with likeminded people.
My UO is that I want to home school my kids. I'm sick of teachers teaching to a test and not teaching in a way kids learn. I get that the tests are set up so that kids can meet certain standards, but I hate when some kids come out of high school only able to take a test on the material and not truly understand it. I also hate that schools now a days do not teach students how to be a functioning adult, but gear them for higher education. I feel like college isn't for everyone and we should be preparing kids to be successful in any environment that they choose to pursue, whether that be college, trade school, or straight into the work force.
If I'm not able to home school my kids, I will likely be looking into charter/private schools to provide a higher education than what if offered in the public school system.
I'm not going to get into the homeschooling stuff, but I think it's more the parent's role to teach their kids to be a functioning adult. You can't expect school to do that for you. And many high schools do have vocational course offerings.
None of the schools I've seen in AZ offer anything like that. So that's the perspective I'm coming from. I agree that parents do share some responsibility in helping their kid become a functioning adult. But I think there are ways schools can incorporate things like resume drafting, balancing a check book, and other life type tasks into the curriculum. In AZ, at least, none of that is included.
Skills like "learning to balance a checkbook" should be done at home. What other type of life skills are you talking about here? Most colleges/universities will work with students on their résumé, most jobs students can get in and right out of high school require applications only. How much can a 17yo put on a résumé? That said, I wouldn't be surprised if high schools did offer help or workshops in résumé building and cover letters.
Maybe early FFFC, but I do not have a degree and have a job that requires a resume, that I got shortly after HS.
Any like I was saying, No public schools in AZ (that I've heard of), offer any education of that sort. The other thing you have to figure in, is that some kids have shitty parents who are not involved in their kids lives like at all, or have parents who work and are unable to help them with things like that, or don't have parents at all. Surely we don't want to set those kids up for failure?
The doctorate programs I've seen require a certain number of graduate assistant teaching hours, usually teaching a course for the full semester. I think this is important.
On the same note, I do think that professors of teaching should be required to teach a certain number of years in a K-12 classroom. A few of my professors were the WORST teachers, and learning comes from modeling, as well. If you're teaching teachers how to teach...you should have spent time in a k-12 classroom.
Why is education the only "job" in which people think they are fully qualified to "do better" than an entire system that's already in place?
I have no delusions that I can fix my own AC, run a company, sew and design my own clothing, build my own house, etc. If I'm upset at the government, I don't form my own country. I don't even have delusions that I can teach anyone chemistry or algebra.
For that matter, even if I WAS fully qualified, there's something to be said about being exposed to various teaching styles and points of view.
Skills like "learning to balance a checkbook" should be done at home. What other type of life skills are you talking about here? Most colleges/universities will work with students on their résumé, most jobs students can get in and right out of high school require applications only. How much can a 17yo put on a résumé? That said, I wouldn't be surprised if high schools did offer help or workshops in résumé building and cover letters.
We had to create a "career portfolio" in order to graduate. It included resume, cover letter, and examples of our most excellent work. Lol...I still have mine somewhere. They gave it back to us with our diploma at graduation in a fancy padded folder thing like it was a huge deal.
I think that is pretty awesome though!
See that's awesome. Don't know why more schools don't require that.
UO: I don't find the notion of pop-culture zombies even remotely engaging. They've been uber-popular forever now, and anytime anyone goes on about some zombie stuff, I kind of just want to blink at them really hard, Zorak-from-SpaceGhost-style (with that sound effect of two balloons bonking each other).
Snooze cruise.
Exception: Weird Ripley's Believe it Or Not "real" zombies like the old Haitian blowfish-poisoned ones. It would be rude to call those zombies "cool", but at least they're interesting.
*shrug*
As far as the homeschool thing goes, part of me really feels like it depends on where you live. I'm generally against removing kids from the local school as you're doing further damage by removing the most engaged families from the system, further hurting the less engaged both culturally and financially, but I do have some friends that live in really tiny town where the notion of "working to improve a local school" really just means fighting a handful of crazies that they have no chance of beating in any productive way. In that case, I'm not sure what the alternative to homeschool would be other than just moving.
Yipes. That was a really long sentence. Okay. back to work.
My UO is that I want to home school my kids. I'm sick of teachers teaching to a test and not teaching in a way kids learn. I get that the tests are set up so that kids can meet certain standards, but I hate when some kids come out of high school only able to take a test on the material and not truly understand it. I also hate that schools now a days do not teach students how to be a functioning adult, but gear them for higher education. I feel like college isn't for everyone and we should be preparing kids to be successful in any environment that they choose to pursue, whether that be college, trade school, or straight into the work force.
If I'm not able to home school my kids, I will likely be looking into charter/private schools to provide a higher education than what if offered in the public school system.
I'm not sure where you live but in my high school we learned about trades and credit cards and credit scores and college and community college and prep schools. Wet weren't funneled into a college only curriculum. We had programs like preschool in the school for the community for free for students who might want to be teachers. We had basic electricity, live skills. Blah. You get what I mean
AZ has NONE OF THAT. If it did, I would consider public schools.
Actually Arizona does offer it as a few hundred of their public schools. If you google vocational programs in public schools in Arizona tons of lists and programs pop up. Not meaning to say your wrong but saying across the board a whole state doesn't have a vocational program is very misleading. By googling I found over 225 of them.
With that said there should be MORE as I agree not every student is or should be college bound. The decline of vocational education in America is tragic as many a good career can be made as a plumber, electrician, carpenter, computer tech, etc. I am very pro vocational programming in schools.
I suppose I should correct and say most schools do not offer it. Also, the ones that due, make it extremely difficult to take your vocational offerings while meeting your required courses. There needs to be a serious improvement in the AZ education system.
Home school kids came to my high school to do high level science classes as they needed lab facilities. In my experience they were completely unsocialized and were blindsided by the reality of life outside their own very limited spheres.
The extracurricular activities that parents can provide do not fairly represent the socialization and experiences that kids need to function in mainstream society and or educational institutions, in my experience.
Expecting that the public school system is solely responsible for your child's education is entitled, lazy parenting.
ETA mobile ate my paragraphs.
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My UO is that I want to home school my kids. I'm sick of teachers teaching to a test and not teaching in a way kids learn. I get that the tests are set up so that kids can meet certain standards, but I hate when some kids come out of high school only able to take a test on the material and not truly understand it. I also hate that schools now a days do not teach students how to be a functioning adult, but gear them for higher education. I feel like college isn't for everyone and we should be preparing kids to be successful in any environment that they choose to pursue, whether that be college, trade school, or straight into the work force.
If I'm not able to home school my kids, I will likely be looking into charter/private schools to provide a higher education than what if offered in the public school system.
I'm not going to get into the homeschooling stuff, but I think it's more the parent's role to teach their kids to be a functioning adult. You can't expect school to do that for you. And many high schools do have vocational course offerings.
None of the schools I've seen in AZ offer anything like that. So that's the perspective I'm coming from. I agree that parents do share some responsibility in helping their kid become a functioning adult. But I think there are ways schools can incorporate things like resume drafting, balancing a check book, and other life type tasks into the curriculum. In AZ, at least, none of that is included.
Skills like "learning to balance a checkbook" should be done at home. What other type of life skills are you talking about here? Most colleges/universities will work with students on their résumé, most jobs students can get in and right out of high school require applications only. How much can a 17yo put on a résumé? That said, I wouldn't be surprised if high schools did offer help or workshops in résumé building and cover letters.
Yes! We have been brainstorming a list of things that we want the boys to be able to do by the time they are adults. Balancing a checkbook, doing laundry, being able to cook at least one staple meal, etc. are all on the list.
I just find it strange that one of your arguments for homeschooling is thinking kids should learn these things in school, when it's things that should really be taught in the home. It seems like people put unrealistic expectations on schools.
Home school kids came to my high school to do high level science classes as they needed lab facilities. In my experience they were completely unsocialized and were blindsided by the reality of life outside their own very limited spheres.
The extracurricular activities that parents can provide do not fairly represent the socialization and experiences that kids need to function in mainstream society and or educational institutions, in my experience.
Expecting that the public school system is solely responsible for your child's education is entitled, lazy parenting.
ETA mobile ate my paragraphs.
Home schooling out here (and some other places), typically will have groups you can join to do extra curricular activities. Or have a system in place where they go to the public school for things like gym, labs, etc. So they still get that socialization. If they aren't, then that is a failing of the parents' homeschooling techniques, IMHO. I agree 100% that it's not for everyone and it is a serious commitment. But some of the smartest kids I know grew up home schooled.
Home school kids came to my high school to do high level science classes as they needed lab facilities. In my experience they were completely unsocialized and were blindsided by the reality of life outside their own very limited spheres.
The extracurricular activities that parents can provide do not fairly represent the socialization and experiences that kids need to function in mainstream society and or educational institutions, in my experience.
Expecting that the public school system is solely responsible for your child's education is entitled, lazy parenting.
ETA mobile ate my paragraphs.
Home schooling out here (and some other places), typically will have groups you can join to do extra curricular activities. Or have a system in place where they go to the public school for things like gym, labs, etc. So they still get that socialization. If they aren't, then that is a failing of the parents' homeschooling techniques, IMHO. I agree 100% that it's not for everyone and it is a serious commitment. But some of the smartest kids I know grew up home schooled.
But that socialization is still within the limited sphere of other home schooled kids, or at best, other kids within the same racial, socioeconomic, or religious, sphere. The best homeschooling parent can not accurately duplicate the diversity of a public school.
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My UO is that I want to home school my kids. I'm sick of teachers teaching to a test and not teaching in a way kids learn. I get that the tests are set up so that kids can meet certain standards, but I hate when some kids come out of high school only able to take a test on the material and not truly understand it. I also hate that schools now a days do not teach students how to be a functioning adult, but gear them for higher education. I feel like college isn't for everyone and we should be preparing kids to be successful in any environment that they choose to pursue, whether that be college, trade school, or straight into the work force.
If I'm not able to home school my kids, I will likely be looking into charter/private schools to provide a higher education than what if offered in the public school system.
I'm not going to get into the homeschooling stuff, but I think it's more the parent's role to teach their kids to be a functioning adult. You can't expect school to do that for you. And many high schools do have vocational course offerings.
None of the schools I've seen in AZ offer anything like that. So that's the perspective I'm coming from. I agree that parents do share some responsibility in helping their kid become a functioning adult. But I think there are ways schools can incorporate things like resume drafting, balancing a check book, and other life type tasks into the curriculum. In AZ, at least, none of that is included.
Skills like "learning to balance a checkbook" should be done at home. What other type of life skills are you talking about here? Most colleges/universities will work with students on their résumé, most jobs students can get in and right out of high school require applications only. How much can a 17yo put on a résumé? That said, I wouldn't be surprised if high schools did offer help or workshops in résumé building and cover letters.
Yes! We have been brainstorming a list of things that we want the boys to be able to do by the time they are adults. Balancing a checkbook, doing laundry, being able to cook at least one staple meal, etc. are all on the list.
I just find it strange that one of your arguments for homeschooling is thinking kids should learn these things in school, when it's things that should really be taught in the home. It seems like people put unrealistic expectations on schools.
I don't think preparing them to be successful in life is something that should be overlooked in schools. I feel like they should be able to leave school knowing how to do those things, instead of some useless stuff we had in high school.For instance, we had to take a class for career exploration (which I don't disagree with in and of itself), but it was a total waste of time. It forced kids to look at career types that did not interest them at all and didn't really explain how to properly write a resume, cover letter, balance a check book, etc. I feel like if high schools offered something like that, they should group students with like minded careers in mind and teach them how to set themselves up for success in their ideal career field. Those that are interested in arts and music can focus there, those interested in business, law, etc can focus there, those interested in medical can focus there. All of this while learning your basic adult tasks, including typing. IMO that would be a better use of time and set up those who want/need to go to college or those who want to go to vocational school or go straight into the work force as "XYZ" for better success.
Home school kids came to my high school to do high level science classes as they needed lab facilities. In my experience they were completely unsocialized and were blindsided by the reality of life outside their own very limited spheres.
The extracurricular activities that parents can provide do not fairly represent the socialization and experiences that kids need to function in mainstream society and or educational institutions, in my experience.
Expecting that the public school system is solely responsible for your child's education is entitled, lazy parenting.
ETA mobile ate my paragraphs.
Home schooling out here (and some other places), typically will have groups you can join to do extra curricular activities. Or have a system in place where they go to the public school for things like gym, labs, etc. So they still get that socialization. If they aren't, then that is a failing of the parents' homeschooling techniques, IMHO. I agree 100% that it's not for everyone and it is a serious commitment. But some of the smartest kids I know grew up home schooled.
But that socialization is still within the limited sphere of other home schooled kids, or at best, other kids within the same racial, socioeconomic, or religious, sphere. The best homeschooling parent can not accurately duplicate the diversity of a public school.
What about local sports groups or other activities? I don't think that would be any different than going to a local public school.
Home school kids came to my high school to do high level science classes as they needed lab facilities. In my experience they were completely unsocialized and were blindsided by the reality of life outside their own very limited spheres.
The extracurricular activities that parents can provide do not fairly represent the socialization and experiences that kids need to function in mainstream society and or educational institutions, in my experience.
Expecting that the public school system is solely responsible for your child's education is entitled, lazy parenting.
ETA mobile ate my paragraphs.
Home schooling out here (and some other places), typically will have groups you can join to do extra curricular activities. Or have a system in place where they go to the public school for things like gym, labs, etc. So they still get that socialization. If they aren't, then that is a failing of the parents' homeschooling techniques, IMHO. I agree 100% that it's not for everyone and it is a serious commitment. But some of the smartest kids I know grew up home schooled.
But that socialization is still within the limited sphere of other home schooled kids, or at best, other kids within the same racial, socioeconomic, or religious, sphere. The best homeschooling parent can not accurately duplicate the diversity of a public school.
What about local sports groups or other activities? I don't think that would be any different than going to a local public school.
I work at an urban Y. I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that, while more diverse than other opportunities for athletics, our programs do not come close to being representative of a public school's diversity.
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My UO:
I hate the tolerance PC crap going on now..there's a double standard completely. Why can't people have different view points and live it at that without trying to throw labels on people.
Example: if someone is against gay-marriage they're automatically labeled homophobic or ignorant..where's the tolerance of a different view?
I hate this too. I feel like if you don't agree with what those of the PC mindset agree with, then you are labeled anti-whatever. I feel like I can disagree with someone's lifestyle choice without judging them and get along just fine. It's not like I'm saying I hate them or am going to treat them as anything less than a person.
I hate the tolerance PC crap going on now..there's a double standard completely. Why can't people have different view points and live it at that without trying to throw labels on people.
Example: if someone is against gay-marriage they're automatically labeled homophobic or ignorant..where's the tolerance of a different view?
If your "different view" impinges on another's ability to enjoy his own "different view" it's a little hypocritical isn't it?
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My UO is that I want to home school my kids. I'm sick of teachers teaching to a test and not teaching in a way kids learn. I get that the tests are set up so that kids can meet certain standards, but I hate when some kids come out of high school only able to take a test on the material and not truly understand it. I also hate that schools now a days do not teach students how to be a functioning adult, but gear them for higher education. I feel like college isn't for everyone and we should be preparing kids to be successful in any environment that they choose to pursue, whether that be college, trade school, or straight into the work force.
If I'm not able to home school my kids, I will likely be looking into charter/private schools to provide a higher education than what if offered in the public school system.
I'm not going to get into the homeschooling stuff, but I think it's more the parent's role to teach their kids to be a functioning adult. You can't expect school to do that for you. And many high schools do have vocational course offerings.
None of the schools I've seen in AZ offer anything like that. So that's the perspective I'm coming from. I agree that parents do share some responsibility in helping their kid become a functioning adult. But I think there are ways schools can incorporate things like resume drafting, balancing a check book, and other life type tasks into the curriculum. In AZ, at least, none of that is included.
Skills like "learning to balance a checkbook" should be done at home. What other type of life skills are you talking about here? Most colleges/universities will work with students on their résumé, most jobs students can get in and right out of high school require applications only. How much can a 17yo put on a résumé? That said, I wouldn't be surprised if high schools did offer help or workshops in résumé building and cover letters. The more college graduates we have and the harder it becomes for them to find employment, it will become even worse down the line for any job that actually requires a resume and may be open to diploma holders. It's not going to get easier.
Yes! We have been brainstorming a list of things that we want the boys to be able to do by the time they are adults. Balancing a checkbook, doing laundry, being able to cook at least one staple meal, etc. are all on the list.
I just find it strange that one of your arguments for homeschooling is thinking kids should learn these things in school, when it's things that should really be taught in the home. It seems like people put unrealistic expectations on schools.
I don't think preparing them to be successful in life is something that should be overlooked in schools. I feel like they should be able to leave school knowing how to do those things, instead of some useless stuff we had in high school.For instance, we had to take a class for career exploration (which I don't disagree with in and of itself), but it was a total waste of time. It forced kids to look at career types that did not interest them at all and didn't really explain how to properly write a resume, cover letter, balance a check book, etc. I feel like if high schools offered something like that, they should group students with like minded careers in mind and teach them how to set themselves up for success in their ideal career field. Those that are interested in arts and music can focus there, those interested in business, law, etc can focus there, those interested in medical can focus there. All of this while learning your basic adult tasks, including typing. IMO that would be a better use of time and set up those who want/need to go to college or those who want to go to vocational school or go straight into the work force as "XYZ" for better success.
Perhaps that should be an option, but it should not be mandatory. Students should not be encouraged to learn resume and cover letter writing in HS when they barely have skills to highlight in those documents. If they want to if straight to the workforce, let them have that option. Do NOT take my child out of AP physics of European History, subjects I cannot teach them at home, to teach them how to balance a checkbook or anything else the can learn on Google or from me. If they want to go to vocational school, offer a period or two for externship senior year that fits into the curriculum in a way that they get credits towards graduation.
I concede I have a somewhat privileged view of this topic. At the same time, I sit on the board on a non- profit and one of our programs is resume advisory and college essay and application process assistance to at- risk high schoolers. We try to help offer them what their school or family may not. But, we would never offer academic subjects as that is what they should be learning in school. That's the only time in their lives they have to immerse themselves and introduce themselves to various subject areas. Do not take that away to teach life skills unless the student opts to take that course themselves.
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Why is education the only "job" in which people think they are fully qualified to "do better" than an entire system that's already in place?
I have no delusions that I can fix my own AC, run a company, sew and design my own clothing, build my own house, etc. If I'm upset at the government, I don't form my own country. I don't even have delusions that I can teach anyone chemistry or algebra.
For that matter, even if I WAS fully qualified, there's something to be said about being exposed to various teaching styles and points of view.
I'm not sure why you have job in quotations. As a licensed teacher I feel I am fully qualified to teach my own children. I am licensed k-6, middle and high school education.
If I were a licensed electrician or plumber you better believe I would be doing my own plumbing or electrical.
That is why I have said there should be qualifications for homeschool moms, if public school teachers must be licensed there should at least be minimum homeschool teacher requirements. Maybe a test of some kind. And all students should have to pass some type of test each year to have an accredited diploma.
Why is education the only "job" in which people think they are fully qualified to "do better" than an entire system that's already in place?
I have no delusions that I can fix my own AC, run a company, sew and design my own clothing, build my own house, etc. If I'm upset at the government, I don't form my own country. I don't even have delusions that I can teach anyone chemistry or algebra.
For that matter, even if I WAS fully qualified, there's something to be said about being exposed to various teaching styles and points of view.
I'm not sure why you have job in quotations. As a licensed teacher I feel I am fully qualified to teach my own children. I am licensed k-6, middle and high school education.
If I were a licensed electrician or plumber you better believe I would be doing my own plumbing or electrical.
That is why I have said there should be qualifications for homeschool moms, if public school teachers must be licensed there should at least be minimum homeschool teacher requirements. Maybe a test of some kind. And all students should have to pass some type of test each year to have an accredited diploma.
I would have no problem conceding to take a test or go through some sort or training or schooling to be able to teach my kids. I would do it for them.
My UO is that I want to home school my kids. I'm sick of teachers teaching to a test and not teaching in a way kids learn. I get that the tests are set up so that kids can meet certain standards, but I hate when some kids come out of high school only able to take a test on the material and not truly understand it. I also hate that schools now a days do not teach students how to be a functioning adult, but gear them for higher education. I feel like college isn't for everyone and we should be preparing kids to be successful in any environment that they choose to pursue, whether that be college, trade school, or straight into the work force.
If I'm not able to home school my kids, I will likely be looking into charter/private schools to provide a higher education than what if offered in the public school system.
I'm not going to get into the homeschooling stuff, but I think it's more the parent's role to teach their kids to be a functioning adult. You can't expect school to do that for you. And many high schools do have vocational course offerings.
None of the schools I've seen in AZ offer anything like that. So that's the perspective I'm coming from. I agree that parents do share some responsibility in helping their kid become a functioning adult. But I think there are ways schools can incorporate things like resume drafting, balancing a check book, and other life type tasks into the curriculum. In AZ, at least, none of that is included.
Skills like "learning to balance a checkbook" should be done at home. What other type of life skills are you talking about here? Most colleges/universities will work with students on their résumé, most jobs students can get in and right out of high school require applications only. How much can a 17yo put on a résumé? That said, I wouldn't be surprised if high schools did offer help or workshops in résumé building and cover letters. The more college graduates we have and the harder it becomes for them to find employment, it will become even worse down the line for any job that actually requires a resume and may be open to diploma holders. It's not going to get easier.
Yes! We have been brainstorming a list of things that we want the boys to be able to do by the time they are adults. Balancing a checkbook, doing laundry, being able to cook at least one staple meal, etc. are all on the list.
I just find it strange that one of your arguments for homeschooling is thinking kids should learn these things in school, when it's things that should really be taught in the home. It seems like people put unrealistic expectations on schools.
I don't think preparing them to be successful in life is something that should be overlooked in schools. I feel like they should be able to leave school knowing how to do those things, instead of some useless stuff we had in high school.For instance, we had to take a class for career exploration (which I don't disagree with in and of itself), but it was a total waste of time. It forced kids to look at career types that did not interest them at all and didn't really explain how to properly write a resume, cover letter, balance a check book, etc. I feel like if high schools offered something like that, they should group students with like minded careers in mind and teach them how to set themselves up for success in their ideal career field. Those that are interested in arts and music can focus there, those interested in business, law, etc can focus there, those interested in medical can focus there. All of this while learning your basic adult tasks, including typing. IMO that would be a better use of time and set up those who want/need to go to college or those who want to go to vocational school or go straight into the work force as "XYZ" for better success.
Perhaps that should be an option, but it should not be mandatory. Students should not be encouraged to learn resume and cover letter writing in HS when they barely have skills to highlight in those documents. If they want to if straight to the workforce, let them have that option. Do NOT take my child out of AP physics of European History, subjects I cannot teach them at home, to teach them how to balance a checkbook or anything else the can learn on Google or from me. If they want to go to vocational school, offer a period or two for externship senior year that fits into the curriculum in a way that they get credits towards graduation.
I concede I have a somewhat privileged view of this topic. At the same time, I sit on the board on a non- profit and one of our programs is resume advisory and college essay and application process assistance to at- risk high schoolers. We try to help offer them what their school or family may not. But, we would never offer academic subjects as that is what they should be learning in school. That's the only time in their lives they have to immerse themselves and introduce themselves to various subject areas. Do not take that away to teach life skills unless the student opts to take that course themselves.
I never said it should be mandatory. I think the option should be available. Like have a class period or two where they aren't all mixed in with all types of kids in the school system and allow them to have some classes geared towards what they want to do in life. I do not know how it would be realistically implemented, but I feel that in addition to the general educational requirements this would benefits the kids.
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Seriously though dont announce that you need a break because your real life is effed up and hard and then come back like 1 day later like nothing happened. To me that seems like a pity cry mixed with a tantrum..
Along those lines, on here, over dramatic people are dramatic about everything. There are a few people who I don't even read threads when they start them, because it's just over dramatic whining.
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*really traumatic recovery*
I am a teacher and I am basing my "gross generalizations" off of observations in schools in 2 different states where I have worked and been made to teach certain things certain ways.
My unpopular opinion? I think homeschooling gets a bad rap more because people only see it from the outside. Yeah, I had my kids at the local coffee shop this morning - we sat in on a town hall meeting with a Senate candidate. Yeah you might see us out for lunch - I reward my kid with lunch out for every 1500 pages he reads. Yeah, we might run errands all day - I plan my school year with DH's work schedule in mind - if he's got a week day off, it's a no-school day.
And of course, we have struggles with attitude, laziness, lack of motivation (from him and me!) to deal with along the way. Not everything is rainbow-vomiting unicorns in our home.
I hope this doesn't come across as confrontational. It's not meant to at all. I just want to be transparent about our lifestyle. If anyone has questions or comments, I'm happy to answer.
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We pick primarily religious material, but there's great secular material as well! And this next time around, I'm going to relax with preschool and kindergarten. Numbers, colors, letters, and writing your name, etc. So much of learning is in everyday living!
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On the same note, I do think that professors of teaching should be required to teach a certain number of years in a K-12 classroom. A few of my professors were the WORST teachers, and learning comes from modeling, as well. If you're teaching teachers how to teach...you should have spent time in a k-12 classroom.
See that's awesome. Don't know why more schools don't require that.
UO: I don't find the notion of pop-culture zombies even remotely engaging. They've been uber-popular forever now, and anytime anyone goes on about some zombie stuff, I kind of just want to blink at them really hard, Zorak-from-SpaceGhost-style (with that sound effect of two balloons bonking each other).
Snooze cruise.
Exception: Weird Ripley's Believe it Or Not "real" zombies like the old Haitian blowfish-poisoned ones. It would be rude to call those zombies "cool", but at least they're interesting.
*shrug*
As far as the homeschool thing goes, part of me really feels like it depends on where you live. I'm generally against removing kids from the local school as you're doing further damage by removing the most engaged families from the system, further hurting the less engaged both culturally and financially, but I do have some friends that live in really tiny town where the notion of "working to improve a local school" really just means fighting a handful of crazies that they have no chance of beating in any productive way. In that case, I'm not sure what the alternative to homeschool would be other than just moving.
Yipes. That was a really long sentence. Okay. back to work.
I suppose I should correct and say most schools do not offer it. Also, the ones that due, make it extremely difficult to take your vocational offerings while meeting your required courses. There needs to be a serious improvement in the AZ education system.
I just find it strange that one of your arguments for homeschooling is thinking kids should learn these things in school, when it's things that should really be taught in the home. It seems like people put unrealistic expectations on schools.
But that socialization is still within the limited sphere of other home schooled kids, or at best, other kids within the same racial, socioeconomic, or religious, sphere. The best homeschooling parent can not accurately duplicate the diversity of a public school.
I work at an urban Y. I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that, while more diverse than other opportunities for athletics, our programs do not come close to being representative of a public school's diversity.
Skills like "learning to balance a checkbook" should be done at home. What other type of life skills are you talking about here? Most colleges/universities will work with students on their résumé, most jobs students can get in and right out of high school require applications only. How much can a 17yo put on a résumé? That said, I wouldn't be surprised if high schools did offer help or workshops in résumé building and cover letters. The more college graduates we have and the harder it becomes for them to find employment, it will become even worse down the line for any job that actually requires a resume and may be open to diploma holders. It's not going to get easier.
Yes! We have been brainstorming a list of things that we want the boys to be able to do by the time they are adults. Balancing a checkbook, doing laundry, being able to cook at least one staple meal, etc. are all on the list.
I just find it strange that one of your arguments for homeschooling is thinking kids should learn these things in school, when it's things that should really be taught in the home. It seems like people put unrealistic expectations on schools.
I don't think preparing them to be successful in life is something that should be overlooked in schools. I feel like they should be able to leave school knowing how to do those things, instead of some useless stuff we had in high school.For instance, we had to take a class for career exploration (which I don't disagree with in and of itself), but it was a total waste of time. It forced kids to look at career types that did not interest them at all and didn't really explain how to properly write a resume, cover letter, balance a check book, etc. I feel like if high schools offered something like that, they should group students with like minded careers in mind and teach them how to set themselves up for success in their ideal career field. Those that are interested in arts and music can focus there, those interested in business, law, etc can focus there, those interested in medical can focus there. All of this while learning your basic adult tasks, including typing. IMO that would be a better use of time and set up those who want/need to go to college or those who want to go to vocational school or go straight into the work force as "XYZ" for better success.
Perhaps that should be an option, but it should not be mandatory. Students should not be encouraged to learn resume and cover letter writing in HS when they barely have skills to highlight in those documents. If they want to if straight to the workforce, let them have that option. Do NOT take my child out of AP physics of European History, subjects I cannot teach them at home, to teach them how to balance a checkbook or anything else the can learn on Google or from me. If they want to go to vocational school, offer a period or two for externship senior year that fits into the curriculum in a way that they get credits towards graduation.
I concede I have a somewhat privileged view of this topic. At the same time, I sit on the board on a non- profit and one of our programs is resume advisory and college essay and application process assistance to at- risk high schoolers. We try to help offer them what their school or family may not. But, we would never offer academic subjects as that is what they should be learning in school. That's the only time in their lives they have to immerse themselves and introduce themselves to various subject areas. Do not take that away to teach life skills unless the student opts to take that course themselves.
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I'm not sure why you have job in quotations. As a licensed teacher I feel I am fully qualified to teach my own children. I am licensed k-6, middle and high school education.