UO

notkateanymore · April 2014

Ok, I'll start it...be kind to my notifications. No arguing that results in a lot of posts unless it's worth it.

cboink · April 2014

I love it when people include pictures of gross stuff.

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: @KateMW‌

KateVA · April 2014

Food porn posts gross me out. I love food but it surprises me what people find appetizing. Then once there is a whole thread of pictures it's just too much.

MissyC979 · April 2014

I hate when people still have their pregnancy tickers that say they are 50+ weeks pregnant. That annoys me more than no tickers.

I like to see how old LO is when I read responses online.

Chichigo · April 2014

MissyC979 said:
I hate when people still have their pregnancy tickers that say they are 50+ weeks pregnant. That annoys me more than no tickers.

I like to see how old LO is when I read responses online.

I almost agree, but I'm mostly on mobile now so I don't even see them. Setting up my signature was a huge PITA (I was using a tablet) so I get not having one.

notkateanymore · April 2014

I barely read the pet peeve thread, did I miss anything good?

notkateanymore · April 2014

I guess my UO is that I'm always shocked by how little patience people have with sleeping habits of babies...

cboink · April 2014

prettykitty2012 said:
Kate, I basically took from it that drivers suck, and so do pedestrians. And dishes are the worst.

Yup!

amberpro · April 2014

KateMW said:

I barely read the pet peeve thread, did I miss anything good?

Nope. Not a damn thing.

Except maybe it's good that several people don't know me IRL (I'm looking at you @superspecialsnowflake) because I'm always late.

KateVA · April 2014

KateMW said:
I guess my UO is that I'm always shocked by how little patient people have with sleeping habits of babies...

I'm also surprised that people think it's abnormal too. Maybe it's a STM thing but it's all temporary, whether you are talking about good sleeping or bad

lifesaverz · April 2014

MissyC979 said:
I hate when people still have their pregnancy tickers that say they are 50+ weeks pregnant. That annoys me more than no tickers.

I like to see how old LO is when I read responses online.

Agreed.

KateVA · April 2014

Also announcing a break from the bump (or fb for that matter) annoys me. Why are spending more time online just to announce that you will be spending less? Just do it ffs. And this isn't personal, I like the people that have announced their breaks.

amberpro · April 2014

TShea721 said:

UO: when I see what some of the women here are dealing with at home with their husbands, I feel bad,truly. But, then a part of me thinks that *maybe* some people thought that having a baby would make their DH not an asshole.

When in truth, it usually makes them MORE of an asshole because they are getting far less attention than pre-baby.

notkateanymore · April 2014

Yeah and if you announce a break...have some pride and stay gone for awhile. Fake it if you have too!

Kermode61581 · April 2014

UO-
I disagree with sending kids away to boarding school. I have a hard time imagining being ok with not being with my kids.
Also homeschooling is a bad idea for most people. It can be done well buy for the most part it is not (though perhaps I am only speaking about my town where homeschooling is slang for running, errands and going for lunch).

BoothBaby · April 2014

I think buying a giant basket full of stuff for your 4 month old for Easter is over the top. I feel like a lot of these moms are setting themselves up for a second Christmas at their house.

Chichigo · April 2014

I am one of the people with husband problems. I can't speak for anyone else.
We were married for four years before TTC, and had worked out the major problems before that. I had no idea our problems with our marriage would get so severe.

amberpro · April 2014

hercules03 said:

UO- I disagree with sending kids away to boarding school. I have a hard time imagining being ok with not being with my kids. Also homeschooling is a bad idea for most people. It can be done well buy for the most part it is not (though perhaps I am only speaking about my town where homeschooling is slang for running, errands and going for lunch).
As much as I can't wait to get back to work, I actually considered homeschooling just to get away from this common core BS. But then we found out Texas is no longer using common core so - whew - safe. Lol. But I think I may have actually done it. It is awful. But I have many military friends who have homeschooled just to put some stability in their children's schooling. My daughter is in 3rd grade and she's in her 3rd school. And she'll be in a new school for 4th grade. So I sort of understand their logic. But I wouldn't homeschool to let my kid sit at home and play video games. That's just crappy parenting.

Texas and Alaska are the only 2 states in the US that did not jump on board with Obama's education plan. HOWEVER, our TEKS and state testing strongly resemble most aspects of common core. But since we are stubborn conservatives, we don't get the federal funding. I find this just silly. We're doing almost the same thing but don't get the money. Stubborn government.

Also, I will VERY rarely get behind homeschooling. And not necessarily because parents run errands all day. I went to school for many years to be a teacher and am continuously receiving training and going to conferences to improve my craft. There's a lot more to it than many people think. It's almost insulting that some people think they can jump in and know the ins and outs of properly educating a child with no experience or training. That being said, I know there are times when homeschooling is not only necessary but highly effective. I just feel it's the exception and not the rule.

notkateanymore · April 2014

I would only consider homeschooling if my child was like a superstar athlete or something that took them out of school a lot...and we would use tutors.

bubblesmtu · April 2014

amberpro said:

hercules03 said:

UO-
I disagree with sending kids away to boarding school. I have a hard time imagining being ok with not being with my kids.
Also homeschooling is a bad idea for most people. It can be done well buy for the most part it is not (though perhaps I am only speaking about my town where homeschooling is slang for running, errands and going for lunch).
As much as I can't wait to get back to work, I actually considered homeschooling just to get away from this common core BS. But then we found out Texas is no longer using common core so - whew - safe. Lol. But I think I may have actually done it. It is awful. But I have many military friends who have homeschooled just to put some stability in their children's schooling. My daughter is in 3rd grade and she's in her 3rd school. And she'll be in a new school for 4th grade. So I sort of understand their logic. But I wouldn't homeschool to let my kid sit at home and play video games. That's just crappy parenting.

Texas and Alaska are the only 2 states in the US that did not jump on board with Obama's education plan. HOWEVER, our TEKS and state testing strongly resemble most aspects of common core. But since we are stubborn conservatives, we don't get the federal funding. I find this just silly. We're doing almost the same thing but don't get the money. Stubborn government.

Also, I will VERY rarely get behind homeschooling. And not necessarily because parents run errands all day. I went to school for many years to be a teacher and am continuously receiving training and going to conferences to improve my craft. There's a lot more to it than many people think. It's almost insulting that some people think they can jump in and know the ins and outs of properly educating a child with no experience or training. That being said, I know there are times when homeschooling is not only necessary but highly effective. I just feel it's the exception and not the rule.

Also to your point, amberpro, I don't understand how professors don't need any formal training in education. I hated when profs would just throw up slides and not actually TEACH. It's a skill that's seriously lacking in universities too, IMO.

Chichigo · April 2014

I might homeschool my children. Both of my degrees are in education and I'm a qualified reading specialist.

I am disillusioned with both the education system and teachers/administrators that won't follow best practices.

Chichigo · April 2014

To add to the above, my initial certification was in elementary education, so all subjects through eighth grade and my specialist degree covers reading, writing and language arts through 12th grade. My husband is certified for 6th-12th grade social science and math. We would need help with high school science and foreign language.

Kermode61581 · April 2014

Chichigo said:
I might homeschool my children. Both of my degrees are in education and I'm a qualified reading specialist.

I am disillusioned with both the education system and teachers/administrators that won't follow best practices.

I can support this because you have degrees in education. It would be the perfect situation because you have many resources and strategies to would use, you would understand the need for assessment and how to use it appropriately. Here many people get the correspondence package and ONLY use that.

amberpro · April 2014

I have a degree in education, a Masters in Reading, a reading specialist certification, and am certified in 1st-8th general ed and K-12 Reading. I STILL would never consider homeschooling my children. I do not have the skills nor the patience to teach every subject at every grade level while integrating physical education and fine arts. I also know that my child will not have the "best" teacher every year and will be forced to spend some time being taught the test.

It's my job as a parent to supplement my child's education at home. I also feel that if you want take a hand in your child's education, the best way to do so is get involved in the school. And yes, you can do that with a full time job.

Kermode61581 · April 2014

@amberpro‌
It's like you are reading my mind!

bubblesmtu · April 2014

superspecialsnowflake said:

bubblesmtu said:

amberpro said:

hercules03 said:

(Trimming Quote Tree)
(Trimming Quote Tree)

Texas and Alaska are the only 2 states in the US that did not jump on board with Obama's education plan. HOWEVER, our TEKS and state testing strongly resemble most aspects of common core. But since we are stubborn conservatives, we don't get the federal funding. I find this just silly. We're doing almost the same thing but don't get the money. Stubborn government.

Also, I will VERY rarely get behind homeschooling. And not necessarily because parents run errands all day. I went to school for many years to be a teacher and am continuously receiving training and going to conferences to improve my craft. There's a lot more to it than many people think. It's almost insulting that some people think they can jump in and know the ins and outs of properly educating a child with no experience or training. That being said, I know there are times when homeschooling is not only necessary but highly effective. I just feel it's the exception and not the rule.

Also to your point, amberpro, I don't understand how professors don't need any formal training in education. I hated when profs would just throw up slides and not actually TEACH. It's a skill that's seriously lacking in universities too, IMO.

This is actually a changing trend in higher education. I've worked with a number of students who actively teach at area colleges and universities, but are being required by their schools to come back for a M.Ed. I don't necessarily foresee this trend catching on nation-wide, but higher ed institutions are beginning to realize that good teachers are more than experts in their given field.

That's so great that some schools are addressing that issue. I hope it's a trend nation wide someday. I'm sure it's a PITA for those students who need to go to more classes and pay even more for school but it will benefit everyone in the end.
I had one prof for a chemistry class say on the first day 'I don't know how to talk down to your level so good luck'
@-)

Missykisses85 · April 2014

TShea721 said:
UO: when I see what some of the women here are dealing with at home with their husbands, I feel bad,truly. But, then a part of me thinks that *maybe* some people thought that having a baby would make their DH not an asshole.

I would never have brought my baby into this situation, hoping for him to change.

ETA for further explanation

Our relationship is not perfect we went through a really hard time and made it through and had a great couple of years, thats when I found out I was pregnant and we got married. The baby came before the return of him being an asshole not the other way around.

canicksmom · April 2014

Add me to the no-homeschooling bunch.

I can't imagine trying to be objective enough to guide something as important as my child's education. Plus, I feel it is incredibly important that my child learns to identify and accept those other authority figures and rules. His future boss isn't going to care to hear excuses about missed deadlines, etc.

kittyh8r · April 2014

Breast milk is obviously wonderful, but my stupid sil took her newborn to a family function, knowing that there were quite a few people with colds there. She said, "I'm not worried, she's breastfed"
What happened? Her newborn caught the cold and was hospitalized. Beast milk is wonderful, but it's no superhero.

We will be homeschooling. I haven't had any training, but I know that I will do a great job. I was in public school and then homeschooled and it was so much better for me. I have no doubt in my ability to teach my children. We will give the girls the option in middle school, if they want to go to private school, or continue schooling at home.

I am a big supporter of homeschooling, but one of my sil's is going to homeschool my niece this next year. The girl is wild, she doesn't listen and she is starting to pick up weird/inappropriate behaviors. She is acting inappropriate towards all of her cousins. She is also super aggressive. I don't know if there is something going on at home, but I feel like if she went to school, her parents could be kept accountable to her behavior.
If she slams Emma one more time, I am going to slap both her stupid parents, who don't freaking parent her. "Brianna, stooooooooop" that's what they say all the damn time. Ugh!
Wow, that turned into a rant.

MissyC979 · April 2014

Nrg2020 said:

I think its rediculous that the day care I send LO to has a classroom "books we would like" list for parents to buy and donate (during the booksale they are having). I pay over $200 a week, she attends an academy. Supply your own books, I pay enough money!

Yes! We're paying more than $400 a week for the boys to go PART TIME and they have fundraisers at least once a quarter. No, I'm not going to harass my friends/family to buy Yankee Candles and wrapping paper when I already pay so much in fees/tuition. WTF??

blainethetrain · April 2014

amberpro said:
I have a degree in education, a Masters in Reading, a reading specialist certification, and am certified in 1st-8th general ed and K-12 Reading. I STILL would never consider homeschooling my children. I do not have the skills nor the patience to teach every subject at every grade level while integrating physical education and fine arts. I also know that my child will not have the "best" teacher every year and will be forced to spend some time being taught the test.

It's my job as a parent to supplement my child's education at home. I also feel that if you want take a hand in your child's education, the best way to do so is get involved in the school. And yes, you can do that with a full time job.

@amberpro‌ Have I told you lately that ILY?

kittyh8r · April 2014

superspecialsnowflake said:

EmmaBoBemma said:
I am a big supporter of homeschooling, but one of my sil's is going to homeschool my niece this next year. The girl is wild, she doesn't listen and she is starting to pick up weird/inappropriate behaviors. She is acting inappropriate towards all of her cousins. She is also super aggressive. I don't know if there is something going on at home, but I feel like if she went to school, her parents could be kept accountable to her behavior.
If she slams Emma one more time, I am going to slap both her stupid parents, who don't freaking parent her. "Brianna, stooooooooop" that's what they say all the damn time. Ugh!
Wow, that turned into a rant.

What prompted them to homeschool her? Are they thinking they're going to change her behavior by home schooling her?

The public school system is evil. They talk about evolution and *gasp* GAYS! I'm not kidding you. This is their reasoning.

KateVA · April 2014

I agree with everything @amberpro is saying, as usual. I'm not against boarding school, it can provide many opportunities that ones local school might not have. Especially true for a kid gifted in arts, music sports etc.

Mills0309 · April 2014

My UO today is I think it's wrong and disgusting when parents post pictures of their toddlers that are finally potty trained while they are on the toilet. A simple post saying "my baby is potty trained" is simple enough. Also...posting your child's poop pictures in any forum is fucked up.

BoothBaby · April 2014

amberpro said:
It's my job as a parent to supplement my child's education at home. I also feel that if you want take a hand in your child's education, the best way to do so is get involved in the school. And yes, you can do that with a full time job.

1,000,000x this! The fact that most parents fail to recognize this is a huge part of why I am not a teacher today (graduated college with a teaching degree, never even applied for teaching jobs because I already knew it wasn't for me).

jy725 · April 2014

superspecialsnowflake said:

Agree. I think most people grossly underestimate what it takes to do homeschooling well.

I've encountered several students in higher ed who were home schooled and they generally fit one of two extremes. Either they are among the brightest and best students in their class, or more commonly, they are completely unprepared for higher education.

I work in higher ed as well. In my past position, I met with students one-on-one for their first advising session. I found that every home schooled student that I encountered was very uncomfortable during the meeting. Their parents often did the talking and they barely made eye contact with me. They lacked social skills and I felt bad for them. It can be a really tough transition at 18 having to learn how to interact with people outside of their comfort zone. This is my personal experience, so I am not saying this is the case for all home schooled students across the board. But I think it is important for home schooled students to participate in extra-curricular activities outside the home.

golfingdarwinfish · April 2014

bubblesmtu said:

bubblesmtu said:

hercules03 said:

(Trimming Quote Tree)
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Also to your point, amberpro, I don't understand how professors don't need any formal training in education. I hated when profs would just throw up slides and not actually TEACH. It's a skill that's seriously lacking in universities too, IMO.

This is actually a changing trend in higher education. I've worked with a number of students who actively teach at area colleges and universities, but are being required by their schools to come back for a M.Ed. I don't necessarily foresee this trend catching on nation-wide, but higher ed institutions are beginning to realize that good teachers are more than experts in their given field.
That's so great that some schools are addressing that issue. I hope it's a trend nation wide someday. I'm sure it's a PITA for those students who need to go to more classes and pay even more for school but it will benefit everyone in the end. I had one prof for a chemistry class say on the first day 'I don't know how to talk down to your level so good luck' @-)

It's really difficult to tell someone who just spent 7 years pursuing their PhD (not to mention postdoc time) that they now need to go back and earn an additional graduate degree. Depending on the discipline and school, teaching can be a somewhat small portion of a professors duties. Many scientists and mathematicians go into academia for a myriad of reasons, and the lecture portion isn't always high on their list. And, universities tend to hire based on research focus (at least in the sciences) and how the individuals interests fit into the current needs. In the sciences academia offers you the opportunity to pursue your personal research interests; that is one of the things that makes academia attractive. For many teaching is secondary. To get universities to approach this differently would be rocking their foundation.

At least for natural sciences prof candidates, you typically present your research to an admissions "committee" of department members and adjacent departments. You're grilled on your expertise; not necessarily your teaching ability. Some universities bring students into this process, though that's relatively rare.

I opted not to enter academia post PhD because (among other reasons) a) the thought of teaching intro core courses sent a shiver down my spine, b) publish or perish is frustrating and c) research was no longer one of my core ambitions.

Adjunct professors are a bit different and are not included the above statements.

ETA: To make it worse, I will add that not all universities care about "teacher evaluations" once a professor has received tenure. obviously this statement doesn't apply to all institutions, but I have seen it in quite a few.

boston143 · April 2014

As a professor at a large research university, I agree completely with VC. The incentives are not there to spend any extra time improving teaching skills. In fact, I have been told that if my teaching reviews are too good it is probably an indication that I need to allocate less time to teaching and more to research, which is what will determine whether I get tenure. I still value being a good teacher but I know many of my colleagues couldn't care less about it. That being said, I can say the same for most of my students. Many are not in college to learn anyway.

northport6 · April 2014

I only had one prof in college who was clearly only teaching my immersive French 1 class because she had to -- she was a young, high profile French lit scholar, but had to teach immersive as part of her contract. She haaaaaated us, and we were a talented bunch, many of us who were semifluent in other Romance languages. She told me that I should think about pursuing a different language. Nice encouragement. I stuck with it and can still speak. She was incredibly gifted in translation and literary theory, but she was a lousy language teacher -- un point c'est tout!

UO: My friends are bad with money and it causes me anxiety about their futures, when really that's none of my business.

greenbeanqueen · April 2014

Kermode61581 said:

UO- I disagree with sending kids away to boarding school. I have a hard time imagining being ok with not being with my kids. Also homeschooling is a bad idea for most people. It can be done well buy for the most part it is not (though perhaps I am only speaking about my town where homeschooling is slang for running, errands and going for lunch).

I haven't read the thread yet but I wanted to say, I fully intend to homeschool any and all children I have. That being said I am a licensed teacher and their schooling will be through an accredited curriculum and they will follow all laws regarding standardized testing wherever we live. Not everyone should be allowed to homeschool. There should be standards set for "homeschool" teachers since legally the students have to meet standards too. Just because you are religious and think common core is of the devil doesn't mean you are qualified to teach your kids. There needs to be more accountability. There are already laws in place but they should be enforced like public school truancy laws.

BoothBaby · April 2014

northport6 said:
UO: My friends are bad with money and it causes me anxiety about their futures, when really that's none of my business.

We have friends like this too. Even worse, we have family friends (in their 60s) like this, and it's painful to know that they will never be able to retire.

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