Ok with wine, so what about pot?

Truelove21 · February 2014

I don't know what hemlock is. But its clear you're angry and trying to draw me into debate. My comment is my comment. My opinion. If you don't want to do it then don't do it and stop trying to bully people into doing what YOU believe is right. I never said that all women should take weed. I speaking about the ones who choose to and how it is their choice. I'm no doctor. If you wanna take hemlock then go right ahead but this threat is about weed.

Truelove21 · February 2014

*thread not threat sorry

WashingtonQueen · February 2014

Truelove21 said:
I don't know what hemlock is. But its clear you're angry and trying to draw me into debate. My comment is my comment. My opinion. If you don't want to do it then don't do it and stop trying to bully people into doing what YOU believe is right. I never said that all women should take weed. I speaking about the ones who choose to and how it is their choice. I'm no doctor. If you wanna take hemlock then go right ahead but this threat is about weed.

Oh my god! Stop with the bully crap!

Meery82 · February 2014

Nicb13 said:

KellyBelly5569 said:

Meery82 said:

I can post wherever I please. I'm not the only one around here who isn't pregnant. I've been around here since I was. Not every board on this site is for pregnancy. I'm not just some fly by halfwit spouting bullshit like yourself.

ETA: forgot to quote. Please see above post.

AKA you have no life... how's that bull shit for you hahahaha

This is just troll behavior now and childish. It's blaringly obvious this person just wants a rise out of people and that's what he/she is getting.

Agreed. I'm done responding to her. She's pathetic.

ktlucas · February 2014

PrimRoseMama said:

Meery82 said:

@ktlucas, quit being a fucking psycho stalker and following me around to flag my posts. I know you did the same thing to @nicb13. That's fucking creepy.

Not cool
Looks like KT has got a vendetta. Chill out @ktlucas you are just making more work for the mods. Also, false flagging will get you banned.

Don't know @nicb13. Didn't false flag @meery82, flagged for your comment. Not following your dumb ass, I lurk, may not reply in every thread, your comment was offensive you got flagged. Get over yourself you are not that important for me to "follow" around.

meggyski · February 2014

Darbie914 sorry about the broken links, here are some that work:

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/93/2/254.abstract

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8121737

Kimbus22 I'm not saying there are not risks to smoking pot while pregnant, and I'm not advocating that recreational users continue to do so during pregnancy. I'm talking specifically about the fact that more and more people are turning to marijuana as an alternative treatment for nausea and migranes while pregnant (the OP being one of these people). As such, there's a huge need for more research into the benefits and risks of marijuana as a therapy for these conditions. There's no reason why marijuana couldn't evaluated ethically the same way any drug going through the FDA approval process would be- first through animal trials, then through an FDA approval panel, then through voluntary trial research. It's possible that marijuana is a safer alternative to some of the other legal remedies available today for nausea/ migranes. Plenty of pregnancy care providers, especially in my state (WA) have started to perscribe it for people with severe cases of those specific conditions. So, personally, I'm going to abstain from chiding OP about her choices until more is known on the issue (and there has been plenty of OP flaming as a crappy mother in this thread, even if you're not the one doing it).

ready-or-not · February 2014

Umm, I don't think anyone doesn't understand your points. I think what we are disagreeing on is the severity of the use. & I think most of you have become quite defensive over the fact that we aren't in 100% agreeance with you on it being soooooo wrong, even tho you have posted your opinions on it over & over & over again.

Meery82 · February 2014

I'm done here. This thread is not worth getting banned. @ktlucas, stay away from my posts. You are being a majorly gross creep.

ready-or-not · February 2014

They will ban you for making to many comments on a post? Even if you aren't being a "troll"?

Truelove21 · February 2014

Ok yes we have to make choices for our children until they can make their own. We choose the food they eat and the toys etc. Why is weed a bad thing though? Because its illegal? If you know where it came from and what its made of. Did anyone read the story about the child with the violent sesures? A particular type of weed was grown and cured her when nothing else could. This woman made this decision for her child. Was she a bad mother? I think they used it in vapor form. There may not be enough studies but doctors don't know everything and I think an open mind is healthy. I don't think these mothers are terrible if they are being responsible with it. The child can't make these decisions so the mother has to. And the mother needs to be comfortable too doesn't she? I hate taking tylenol for pain and I don't want it touching my unborn child but sometimes the headaches are so bad you can't sleep, work, study etc so I take the risk and take a little at a time. We take risks with everything we consume.

Truelove21 · February 2014

We don't know where the food at food loin comes from or how it was grown but we take the risk.

Truelove21 · February 2014

Yes maybe I used the wrong term using "bully". I just didn't like that your comment seemed sarcastic when you could have just explained what you were thinking. No one is going to willingly take something dangerous like that. But you can't compare it to weed. And if you think you can then why not explain.

Truelove21 · February 2014

You're right. And there are other methods of pain relief. I think there is always uncertainty though.

Mommaleena · February 2014

My baby is crying out for all of the selfish dope smoker's poor, innocent unborn babies right now.

ready-or-not · February 2014

"Nicb13":

Sarcasm and snark are 2 of the highest used tactics on these boards and if you compare that to bullying then you shouldn't be here. That's just a really, really stupid comparison.

This is an open PUBLIC site. Your not privileged to be a part of it. Just bc a lot of users go for sarcasm & snark as the "norm" it doesn't mean the rest of us should have to accept it to use the site. You are right about it being the highest used tactic on these board tho. Main flipping reason why I don't hang around much in the 9 years I've been a member. You disagree with one of you regulars & you better be ready for smart ass replies & snarky comments. That's not just on the baby boards, it's across all 3 sites. It very well can be a lot like bullying, if you don't already know how it goes around here.

Truelove21 · February 2014

well good for you hun

meggyski · February 2014

Nicb13 You're definitely offering sound advice, and I don't disagree with you, but my point is that there are a growing number of people using pot to treat those conditions regardless of whether it's been proven safe, because they are finding that it's effective. I'm not sure where in WA you live, and I'm not in the healthcare profession, but I live in Seattle and I've definitely heard of some providers quietly recommending pot (generally eating, not smoking) for severe nausea/ migranes for patients who aren't getting relief from other treatments. Yes, there are studies that point to risks for long term heavy use, but plenty of people assume that a small dose, infrequently, to treat those conditions, will have more benefit than risk.

Anyhow, my point is that the conversation should be about how to most quickly determine and issue recommendations as to whether small doses for specific conditions are safe and effective, rather than flame individual people for making poor decisions.

ready-or-not · February 2014

"Nicb13"

Oh I never said "accept it" but trying to change the flow of TB will never happen. White knighting and complaining gets people no where. I feel bad for anyone who honestly gets this butt hurt from something a stranger says on the internet and then have the audacity to call it bullying. There are quite a few people on TB that I cannot stand but I just ignore them. It's quite easy to not take things personally from a stranger on a chat board who doesn't know me.

Oh girl. We may disagree on the issue at hand, but THIS, I could not agree with more!

solotuyyo0813 · February 2014

funny how this post brought out all the perfect people.. they say you shouldn't drink caffeine during your pregnancy either .. how many stayed away from it?? even tea has caffeine so go ahead and say you did everything right during your pregnancy.. i read someone say something about ADHD i was dig with it as well but my mom didn't smoke pot then again i was also born premature. now with my pregnancy i refuse to be around smoking or drinking of any kind my so tells me ow its fine if u have at least a class a wine , but i am not taking any chances before my pregnancy i drunk no sodas nothing but water and juice then bomb i starting drinking ginger ale green teas and grape soda and i am even made at myself for that but some don't have caffeine in them .. anyways im off topic my point was there is a wide range what what we should and shouldn't do now if you can say you haven't done anything that is on that list you are allowed to judge if not you have no right!

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PrimRoseMama · February 2014

This thread gives me the munchies... =P~

PrimRoseMama · February 2014

Also, I really want a huge roasted turkey leg. You know, like the kind they have at RenFest. I would eat the heck out of damn turkey leg right now.

PrimRoseMama · February 2014

@kimbus22 : gurl, that distinction appears to be heartbreakingly hard to make for many of the white knights in this thread. Also, I giggled at "food loin" too but I think she meant The Food Lion chain grocery store. :P

meggyski · February 2014

Nicb13 said:

Kimbus22 said:
If you can't see the difference between recommending a 50 year old chemo patient smoke a little ganja and having a pregnant woman expose her FETUS AS IT IS DEVELOPING IT'S BRAIN AND ORGANS to it because she has a headache, then I officially give up on the world.

Whoa. I missed her response to me.
PEOPLE! We are not talking medicinal marijuana for sick people, we are talking about developing babies. Good lord. Why is that so fucking hard to understand???????

For the love of God. I'm AM talking about pregnant people, not 50 year old chemo patients. I will repost the same article I posted earlier, about how some health care providers here in Seattle have quietly started to prescribe edible marijuana for pregnant mothers with severe nausea and/ or migranes. https://www.seattleschild.com/article/great-ganja-debate

ETA: regardless of whether or not you or I approve of this approach to treatment, it is happening. Therefore, the need is urgent for some clear guidelines as to what level of exposure during pregnancy, if any, is safe.

meggyski · February 2014

A few highlights in case the article is too long:

" Now that marijuana use is legal in Washington, some moms and childbirth professionals are hoping there can be an open discussion about its use to treat common pregnancy issues, including chronic vomiting, sleeplessness, anxiety, labor pain and postpartum stress. Currently, most health care providers recommend that pregnant and nursing women abstain from marijuana use. However, scientific research on the drug’s long-term effects on children is incomplete and sometimes conflicting.... the majority of the studies focused on heavy pot users, not women who had the occasional joint or brownie to relieve common pregnancy complaints. A search today yields the same confusing information. That has left some women with a difficult decision. Do you take conventional pharmaceuticals with potential side effects including developmental problems, such as cleft palates, uncontrollable twitching and lip smacking, or do you try marijuana and the seemingly more ambiguous risks that it poses?"

" In 2006, Canadian scientists published a study concluding that 92 percent of pregnant women who used cannabis to quell extreme nausea and pain rated it as “effective” or “extremely effective.”

“Our findings support the need for further investigations into cannabis therapy for severe nausea and vomiting during pregnancy,” study authors concluded in the journal Complementary Therapies in Clinical Practice. "

rockopera · February 2014

So after 10 pages, it boils down to:

OP: I smoke pot while pregnant, do you judge me?
Internet: Yes.
OP: HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME?!?!?
Pothead White Knights: &:!:@,!£\^,£|[¥€]!\

The end.

ready-or-not · February 2014

So after 10 pages, it boils down to:

OP: I smoke pot while pregnant, do you judge me?
Internet: Yes.
OP: HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME?!?!?
Pothead White Knights: &:!:@,!£\^,£|[¥€]!\

The end.

Oh negative dear. OP (that's me BTW) knew going into this most of you would judge me. You ladies are some judgmental SOBs (no offense of course) & I knew that going into it. OP said she was bored & starting a conversation & OP said LAST FRIDAY she was over it & ready to move on. That was 6-7 pages ago & you all have carried it on since then. All I have done is answer questions & gave my POV. I'm not a researcher so i admittedly have nothing to offer you there. I really honestly to the core of my being could care less than hell if you are judging me. Just so we're straight.

meggyski · February 2014

Darbie914 listen, I'm not arguing that it's safe. I don't know how many more times I can say this. I'm just saying that people are using it to treat severe nausea because a) it's effective and b) they assume it's less risky than the potential (known) side effects of legal nausea meds. You're absolutely right, this isn't the best assumption to make- but people are going on their intuition and making that assumption anyhow because they perceive the unknown risk to be less scary than some scary known risks associated with legal approaches. This is precisely the reason we need to stop treating pot like a stigmatized illegal street drug and start evaluating it as we would any other drug, so that we really can understand what the risks are and determine whether it's a suitable treatment.

I disagree with you there's no safe or ethical way to study this. It is no different than any other trial drug being studied for its safety/ effectiveness during pregnancy. Would I want to subject my unborn fetus to the risk just for the name of science? Definitely not! However- if I had the same severe nausea as the woman in that article, and the nausea was threatening my ability to gain wait and possibly carry my child to term, and other treatments were not working for me, would I participate in a trial? Absolutely. People make these types of decisions all the time- that's how we learn whether any drug is safe during pregnancy.

WashingtonQueen · February 2014

ready-or-not said:

So after 10 pages, it boils down to: OP: I smoke pot while pregnant, do you judge me? Internet: Yes. OP: HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME?!?!? Pothead White Knights: &:!:@,!£\^,£|[¥€]!\ The end. Oh negative dear. OP (that's me BTW) knew going into this most of you would judge me. You ladies are some judgmental SOBs (no offense of course) & I knew that going into it. OP said she was bored & starting a conversation & OP said LAST FRIDAY she was over it & ready to move on. That was 6-7 pages ago & you all have carried it on since then. All I have done is answer questions & gave my POV. I'm not a researcher so i admittedly have nothing to offer you there. I really honestly to the core of my being could care less than hell if you are judging me. Just so we're straight.

You have admitted multiple times to being a troll and just admitted it again.

KellyBelly5569 · February 2014

Meery82 said:

KellyBelly5569 said:

Meery82 said:

I can post wherever I please. I'm not the only one around here who isn't pregnant. I've been around here since I was. Not every board on this site is for pregnancy. I'm not just some fly by halfwit spouting bullshit like yourself.

ETA: forgot to quote. Please see above post.

AKA you have no life... how's that bull shit for you hahahaha

Yup, it's bullshit all right. Whatever you have to tell your pitiful self to make you feel better. L-)

Hahahaha pitiful hahaha... says the non prego person on a prego website.... okay!

KellyBelly5569 · February 2014

LittIePenguin said:

This is definitely the wrong forum to post something like this and not be judged. 95% of the women on here all they do is judge.

Yea this whole site is about judging. Kinda funny, but entertaining I must say

KellyBelly5569 · February 2014

Truelove21 said:

I didn't read all the responses here but I say live and let live. Weed has been known to help in certain cases right? At least its a naturally growing. Other drugs and stimulants are man made and usually hurt the body in the long run one way or another. I'm sure there are women in other countries that do things that we wouldn't while pregnant and turn out fine. Sometimes only you (not the doc) know whats best for your body. As for me, I wouldn't. But if it were something I was use to having and I knew how my body normally reacts to it then I might. Not everyone becomes addicted or mentally incompetant. And I read that it can be grown without certain harmful features. Like that story about the child who had daily sesures since birth and mom had tried every medical treatment with no good outcome until she was referred to a lab where weed was grown and some without the bad side effects and her problem was fixed as soon as she tried it. I think they named the plant charlottes web. Excuse my spelling please.

Your response is perfect!

KellyBelly5569 · February 2014

Nicb13 said:

KellyBelly5569 said:

Meery82 said:

I can post wherever I please. I'm not the only one around here who isn't pregnant. I've been around here since I was. Not every board on this site is for pregnancy. I'm not just some fly by halfwit spouting bullshit like yourself.

ETA: forgot to quote. Please see above post.

AKA you have no life... how's that bull shit for you hahahaha

This is just troll behavior now and childish. It's blaringly obvious this person just wants a rise out of people and that's what he/she is getting.

Yea you keep telling yourself that. Your obviously feeding into it right. ha!

WashingtonQueen · February 2014

KellyBelly5569 said:

Meery82 said:

KellyBelly5569 said:

Meery82 said:

I can post wherever I please. I'm not the only one around here who isn't pregnant. I've been around here since I was. Not every board on this site is for pregnancy. I'm not just some fly by halfwit spouting bullshit like yourself.

ETA: forgot to quote. Please see above post.

AKA you have no life... how's that bull shit for you hahahaha

Yup, it's bullshit all right. Whatever you have to tell your pitiful self to make you feel better. L-)

Hahahaha pitiful hahaha... says the non prego person on a prego website.... okay!

Just to be clear, I am pretty sure this is not a spaghetti sauce forum.

KellyBelly5569 · February 2014

Meery82 said:

Nicb13 said:

KellyBelly5569 said:

Meery82 said:

I can post wherever I please. I'm not the only one around here who isn't pregnant. I've been around here since I was. Not every board on this site is for pregnancy. I'm not just some fly by halfwit spouting bullshit like yourself.

ETA: forgot to quote. Please see above post.

AKA you have no life... how's that bull shit for you hahahaha

This is just troll behavior now and childish. It's blaringly obvious this person just wants a rise out of people and that's what he/she is getting.

Agreed. I'm done responding to her. She's pat

What you can't take a dose of your own medicine. My original post was not telling any of you non smokers how stupid your choices are. Your the one who jumped at my throat and I have just responded to your stupid comments. I guess I won this one

ready-or-not · February 2014

"Nicb13":

Then why do YOU keep coming back and feeding this?

Hell if I know. It's like a flipping train wreck I can't turn away from lol Same as the rest of you I imagine!!

KellyBelly5569 · February 2014

I think it's funny how the judgemental SOBs go as far as to investigate us and FB! ha! They obviously can't turn away from this either. And you mention CPS... where were they when my first son was born? I was in labor puffing on some and no one ever questioned me. Oh and I still have my son.... so........... when is CPS getting involved? interesting.

Empireceo · February 2014

KellyBelly5569 said:

I think it's funny how the judgemental SOBs go as far as to investigate us and FB! ha! They obviously can't turn away from this either. And you mention CPS... where were they when my first son was born? I was in labor puffing on some and no one ever questioned me. Oh and I still have my son.... so........... when is CPS getting involved? interesting.

That is a disgustingly pathetic thing to brag about.

NewMrsMacC · February 2014

Empireceo said:

KellyBelly5569 said:

I think it's funny how the judgemental SOBs go as far as to investigate us and FB! ha! They obviously can't turn away from this either. And you mention CPS... where were they when my first son was born? I was in labor puffing on some and no one ever questioned me. Oh and I still have my son.... so........... when is CPS getting involved? interesting.

That is a disgustingly pathetic thing to brag about.

How can she type that with no shame. God, it is disgusting.

atmaloney · March 2014

I'm not one for smoking weed while pregnant. However I do have the munchies all the time.

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