I am not totally 100% Pro Life ( while I could never have an abortion, to each their own) I am completely against a woman making this choice with out even considering the Dad's wants or wishes.
It shouldn't be completely up to the woman at that point. If they are both on board for it great, if not then it shouldn't be allowed. Fathers have no rights at all when it comes to this and it really bothers me.
Going through pregnancy & childbirth solidified my opinion that it must be the choice of the woman. I can't even IMAGINE going through all of that if I didn't want to be pregnant. Even if I was going to adopt out and be done after birth (which isn't an easy choice). Pregnancy is a serious medical condition and its DANGEROUS. You could die. You could be confined to bedrest for months unable to work. You could have a terrible CS wound infection, or an emergency hysterectomy.
Even in a normal average pregnancy & childbirth, you often feel sick for months, you're not supposed to eat a bunch of foods, you can't take a whole host of medicines, you get to the point where you can barely walk and rolling over in bed is fucking agony. From 30-32 weeks I couldn't stand up straight because it felt like I was being ripped apart (diastasis recti). I spent weeks 38-42 with a baby's foot pushing upwards on my GD ribs and I just couldn't get comfortable for the life of me.
Pregnancy is wonderful and worth it when you want a baby. But to inflict on someone against their will it is CRUEL.
So is denying someone a child that is equally theirs, IMO. Yes, it's growing in the woman's body, but it took both people to make that baby and is both people's baby. I don't want to offend anyone and normally I wouldn't jump in on things this heated, but it's one thing I feel very strongly about. Men are constantly getting screwed and looked over when it comes to children and it's not fair. A father should have the right to know his child if he wants to.
I do see a double standard when it comes to child support vs choice.. Unfortunately there are endless reasons why forcing a woman to remain pregnant against her will is just not practical nor healthy and I can't support letting a man have a veto on a woman's choice to (or not to) carry and birth a child.
In my eyes, as a Christian, a mother and a daughter, I do consider life starting in the womb. I think it's insensitive and ridiculous to rreceive an abortion for convenience. To each their own. I have friends that have got abortions and I don't judge them by it or think they are "damned for hell", but I have never/will never support that decision.
I'm confused. If you truly think these people "killed a child" (your words) then how the heck are you friends with them? How are you not judging them? And given you believe they have broken a Commandment, how are they not going to hell? Please explain.
I don't know their fate. That's not up to me to decide. You quoted, "killed a child", like I called it something it is not. What do you call iintentionally stopping a beating, human heart?
An embryo isn't a child. Most abortions happen when the pregnancy is in the embryonic stage. I call it an abortion, which is what it's called, because it aborts (stops) a pregnancy. That's it.
That is untrue. You know as well as I do there is a hearbeat. I think it's silly that we all mourn other peoples miscarriages and see that as losing a child but we don't see "choosing" to end a pregnancy as losing a child as well. The death of a child happened in both circumstances. The difference of the two come down to choice/want.
EDIT: I wanted to add that I had two miscarriages and received a lot ssupport and sympathy from these boards for the loss of my babies.
The thing for me with the abortion debate is not about when life begins, ends or all the stuff in between. It's about not dictating a choice. It's about your personal beliefs and making your own decisions in your own life. If we take away these rights of women, it seems like a very slippery slope to me.
Eta: I can't stand Michael Strahan- he's so dumbed down and goofy and just a lame duck to me....
I think CPW and FFFC are the two best days for this board. I just feel like grabbing a bowl of ice cream and a big spoon, sit on the couch and eat it while watching the fun.
I do not like pornography, more specifically photos (like Playboy). I think it is degrading to women and a false picture of women. They are airbrushed and look nothing like a real body. All women have wrinkles, cellulite, hair, etc. I think it can create issues in relationships. I think if one person is not ok with porn and the other person watches it despite having conversations about it, I think it's considered cheating. (This could stem from an eating disorder and body issues).
I do not like pornography, more specifically photos (like Playboy). I think it is degrading to women and a false picture of women. They are airbrushed and look nothing like a real body. All women have wrinkles, cellulite, hair, etc. I think it can create issues in relationships. I think if one person is not ok with porn and the other person watches it despite having conversations about it, I think it's considered cheating. (This could stem from an eating disorder and body issues).
Agreed. I think its a loop hole fore cheating. Unless their is an agreement between the couple or if they watch it together. But it's not my thing.
I don't much care for Halloween. What I mostly hate is how it's changed (here anyway). I wasn't allowed to trick or treat anymore after I turned 12. Now every time I open the door, the trick or treaters are usually 12 or older, with a mask if any costume at all, and totally impolite. I swear to you, I am not doling out one piece of candy to an adult tonight unless there's a toddler with them who can't ask for themselves. And I'm tempted to shame the ones who try.
Edit- stupid mobile posted before I was done being ranty.
DH informed me that because we park our cars outside of the garage every night we will be giving candy to all trick or treaters young, old, sweet and rude.
I can't describe how disappointed I am.
Your DH is probably right and for that reason, we will probably do the same. Sucks that the world is this way, you know?
Eh this wasnt the one I had last night. I think people who post every single hour or even every day about how wonderful their marriage is, are full of bullsht. I feel like people who need to tell others how great their husband is regularly are just trying to cover up how shitty their marriage is. Like if they say it out loud enough times it has to be true.
Also, gifts from your s/o after a fight arent a sweet gesture. Its a smart gesture. My dh brings me flowers home after an argument and those are going straight to the garbage. How about taking the time to show me youre sorry rather than doing a quick fix?
@kalemi I agree that a marriage is not rainbows and butterflies; however, I do not judge those people because it is better to be happy and say good things then fall into a horrible spiral of negative. That's where mine is right now and I should stop being a jerk and start saying the things I actually like about my husband because positive breeds positive.
I rarely say anything negative about my husband but I dont understand the need to tell everyone. Ill say it to my husband directly. I was mainly referring to people on fb though that "share" all the "my husband is the best" things multiple times every single hour. I have no problem with others praising their s/o. But posting stuff about how awesome your husband is 4 times in one hour? Yea.
Eta and its not my husband did the dishes and started dinner...he rocks! Its my husband is awesome because he breathes.
ETA: I understand there is such a thing as a cheerleading competition. This may be the only time you could consider it a sport. Also, I just can't stand cheerleading.
Bowling is totally a sport!
Agree bowling is a sport. Coming from someone who played in a league and has twelve trophies, three medals and a plaque. That's right. Bowling nerd for lyfe.
I find "you guys" to be a perfectly acceptable form of the plural second person. It's such a commonly used phrase that it is hardly associated with gender/sex anymore and I think the arguments against it are just silly.
Omfg!!! I suddenly regret looking her up. That chick is tiny!!! Too tiny!! So damn tiny she don't have any tits.... Or ass. Only a gaping belly button.
Porn doesn't bother me. I watch it with and without DH. I'm also the one that has the subscriptions to Maxim and Playboy. And I only buy the Sports Illustrated for the swimsuit edition. And before we got KU we would frequent strip clubs quit a bit. I think it's ridiculous when couples tell each other they can't watch or look at porn and they consider it cheating.
I would feel cheated on if DH watched porn, but I understand that it's a normal thing for other couples. I don't think either way is ridiculous. I just think it's personal preference and definitely something to talk about and agree upon before taking it to the next level (whatever that means for the couple)
I don't remember this formula thread people are referring to?
No, ma'am, I didn't. I have no clue about the formula threat.
It was in an UO thread. She said that she judged those who didn't breastfeed. Pretty much the only acceptable excuse for giving formula is a medical reason. She was called out on it, but didn't respond until sometime later because she never bothered to come back to thread. When she did respond, she backtracked, "apologized" and said that she really only meant those who didn't even bother to try to breastfeed. Like it was any of her damn business.
I don't remember this formula thread people are referring to?
No, ma'am, I didn't. I have no clue about the formula threat.
It was in an UO thread. She said that she judged those who didn't breastfeed. Pretty much the only acceptable excuse for giving formula is a medical reason. She was called out on it, but didn't respond until sometime later because she never bothered to come back to thread. When she did respond, she backtracked, "apologized" and said that she really only meant those who didn't even bother to try to breastfeed. Like it was any of her damn business.
I don't recall that specific thread and I'm not trying to attack or call anyone out, but I really hate it when anyone judges how a mom feeds her baby. (Obvi not a UO but just sayin') no excuses needed, just do what you've gotta do!
@bkuhman you don't know Kelly Ripa?
I don't remember this formula thread people are referring to?
No, ma'am, I didn't. I have no clue about the formula threat.
It was in an UO thread. She said that she judged those who didn't breastfeed. Pretty much the only acceptable excuse for giving formula is a medical reason. She was called out on it, but didn't respond until sometime later because she never bothered to come back to thread. When she did respond, she backtracked, "apologized" and said that she really only meant those who didn't even bother to try to breastfeed. Like it was any of her damn business.
I don't recall that specific thread and I'm not trying to attack or call anyone out, but I really hate it when anyone judges how a mom feeds her baby. (Obvi not a UO but just sayin') no excuses needed, just do what you've gotta do!
I said that I side-eyed people who never considered BFing because they didn't want to. It was an ignorant statement fueled by my emotions at the time I wrote it and I acknowledged that I had no business or right for writing it and that my emotions at the time were no excuse. I accepted the flaming because I deserved it. I didn't come back to it until someone mentioned it in the "have you ever been flamed" post because I had forgotten all about it. I apologized for my ass-ness and I meant it. ETA: It was in a FFFC thread.
Eh, it's whatever! We've all said shit before thinking properly.
Re: UO
You quoted, "killed a child", like I called it something it is not. What do you call iintentionally stopping a beating, human heart?
An embryo isn't a child. Most abortions happen when the pregnancy is in the embryonic stage. I call it an abortion, which is what it's called, because it aborts (stops) a pregnancy. That's it.
That is untrue. You know as well as I do there is a hearbeat.
I think it's silly that we all mourn other peoples miscarriages and see that as losing a child but we don't see "choosing" to end a pregnancy as losing a child as well. The death of a child happened in both circumstances. The difference of the two come down to choice/want.
EDIT: I wanted to add that I had two miscarriages and received a lot ssupport and sympathy from these boards for the loss of my babies.
I had a UO last night but I cant remember. Maybe I'll be back with it
Eta: I can't stand Michael Strahan- he's so dumbed down and goofy and just a lame duck to me....
I can't describe how disappointed I am.
Your DH is probably right and for that reason, we will probably do the same. Sucks that the world is this way, you know?
Also, gifts from your s/o after a fight arent a sweet gesture. Its a smart gesture. My dh brings me flowers home after an argument and those are going straight to the garbage. How about taking the time to show me youre sorry rather than doing a quick fix?
Eta words. Mobile can suck it
Eta and its not my husband did the dishes and started dinner...he rocks! Its my husband is awesome because he breathes.
::moves over to google search::
I don't remember this formula thread people are referring to?
Oh wow... What a twat.
I don't recall that specific thread and I'm not trying to attack or call anyone out, but I really hate it when anyone judges how a mom feeds her baby. (Obvi not a UO but just sayin') no excuses needed, just do what you've gotta do!
Happy Halloween to you!
Like a fuck you and you and you and your mom and her cousin and her cousins sisters brothers 5th niece on his wifes side ... kind of mood.