Whoa. I think everyone is in a hateration mood today.
Like a fuck you and you and you and your mom and her cousin and her cousins sisters brothers 5th niece on his wifes side ... kind of mood.
Maybe we're all monster-ating.. Teehee. 5 J13 points to whomever gets the reference.
Birth control fails. My sister's four kids are proof of that.
A lot of women don't have access to birth control and if certain politicians have their way, it's going to be even harder.
Sometimes, you're a teenager and someone never bothered to teach you about birth control.
Stuff happens. I'm not 100 percent comfortable with abortion (and would never do it myself unless the baby receives a fatal diagnosis), but I do think it should be legal and available. I also don't think that a woman should be forced to go through pregnancy just because the man who knocked her up wants her to, though I do feel badly that he might not get the child he wants. In the end, though, it's the woman's body and she has to make the decision as to what is right for her.
Planned Parenthood offers BC, and the lack of education I believe this day and age is bullshit.
There are also other methods rather than the pill. If someone truly did not want to get pregnant there are ways to still have sex and not get pregnant. You could temp, you could do the pill plus other options, you could figure out the most opportune time that you should not have sex just from counting from your last period.
Like I said not anti abortion, just anti the dad not having a choice. If she wants the baby he has to pay, it is a double standard. I just find it very shady and wrong.
Sometimes you do everything right and still get a different outcome. I was one the pill, used condoms everytime, and was toms I couldn't conceive and here I am. I took the same stand as you until it happened to me. Best thing to ever happen but still
Okay, so I just read through everything. I can honestly say that I did not think it was possible to feel hurt by internet strangers until this thread.
Even though this is UO I think it is wise to stay away from experience type options (formula feeding, medicated births, abortion) because we do not know each others experiences.
I have never had an abortion, but was in the room to have one when I learned I was 16 weeks along with LO. I was advised by many dr.s that it would be best for my health. You bet your ass I would have mourned the loss of that child. Sometimes even if you have a choice you are led to believe you don't.
I really regret looking at this thread and really wish people would think before they post.
It looks like I missed a lot. And I don't have time to read all the other pages. Boo
I've got a question, though, and I feel like a total moron. Does UO stand for "unpopular opinion"? And is there a reference page somewhere that explains what all the acronyms mean? I feel like there was one somewhere....
Car racing is definitely a sport. I can't imagine how physically demanding and exhausting it is. And racing takes a LOT of skill. It's not just driving a car around a track over and over.
My husband was a professional race car driver.....I agree that it is a sport from the training I've seen him do. I also figure skated growing up and believe that is a sport as well as competitive cheer and gymnastics. The training and commitment you have to put into these sports are intense. Now off to read the rest of the UO's!
Children have likes and dislikes just like everyone else, not everything is a "sensory issue" and needs OT.
Amen. I can't tell you how many referrals we get for evaluations and it ends up that the kid just didn't like crust on their sandwich, no disability.
We have the opposite problem in our school. I have kids with such sensory issues that they are literally crawling out of their skin most of the day and no one will even look at them. Frustrating.
Whoa. I think everyone is in a hateration mood today.
Like a fuck you and you and you and your mom and her cousin and her cousins sisters brothers 5th niece on his wifes side ... kind of mood.
Maybe we're all monster-ating.. Teehee. 5 J13 points to whomever gets the reference.
Okay, so I just read through everything. I can honestly say that I did not think it was possible to feel hurt by internet strangers until this thread.
Even though this is UO I think it is wise to stay away from experience type options (formula feeding, medicated births, abortion) because we do not know each others experiences.
I have never had an abortion, but was in the room to have one when I learned I was 16 weeks along with LO. I was advised by many dr.s that it would be best for my health. You bet your ass I would have mourned the loss of that child. Sometimes even if you have a choice you are led to believe you don't.
I really regret looking at this thread and really wish people would think before they post.
@LizzieRB - Hugs to you. I'm so glad that things ended up so well for you with your LO. I can't imagine the emotional roller coaster you must have gone through!
I thought about bringing up this point earlier but was afraid to really get too involved in the discussion.. Pro-lifers seem to paint this picture of those who make (or even consider) the choice to get an abortion as heartless, irresponsible jerks (or worse), but that is so harsh and insensitive. Until a person has been there they can't hope to understand the emotions that are involved for the woman or the reasons she is considering abortion. For many women I would guess it's a very gut-wrenching decision.. but as with many things, people can have pretty unforgiving opinions on the subject until it's their turn to make a choice.
I really hope you don't take anything here too personally. Chances are they've just never been in your shoes or shoes even remotely similar. You had an impossibly hard set of circumstances to deal with and you were doing what you determined was best in your situation. Oh, here's another set of hugs, just in case you need them.
My UO: I think dark chocolate is disgusting. It tastes like poison.
There
are three reasons for breast-feeding: the milk is always at the right
temperature; it comes in attractive containers; and the cat can't get
it. ~Irena Chalmers
There is so much in this thread that bothers me. I'm annoyed and a bit angry by the women in this thread that paint the entire Republican Party as pro-life anti-abortion/ anti-gay rights bigots. That really bothers me because that is just as judgey and intolerant as you are painting them. I personally don't think abortion is ok. I don't think I could ever do it. However, if another woman wants to make that choice then that's on her. Doesn't make it an easy choice and it doesn't make her a soulless heathen or anything of the sort.
I think it's crap to hate on a woman for her weight whatever it is. If she wants to look the way she looks let her. It's her choice. None of your business.
My marriage is not a marriage where porn is considered ok and to judge me for the choices I made with my husband is also a bunch of crap. What the hell does it matter to you what we choose for our marriage? Why do you care what boundaries we set for our marriage? Last I checked you weren't involved in our marriage vows.
This whole thread pretty much pissed me off.
I'm glad I'm way late to this party I think this thread may have ruined my happy mood yesterday. Today I got to work early only to have no heat and no server and can't get any work done so bumping from my phone.
I started the thread thinking I was amazed this could be discussed with out people taking it personally and getting hurt as I've never discussed this with irl friends as I know that would not be the case. And after further reading not the case here either.
I'm pro life and I think I'm the only lifer out of all my friends. Not sure if any of them know that other than my bff. I throw this stance in the bucket with my thoughts on gays. I may not agree with it but I don't think it's my right to judge others on their life choices. I would never unfriend someone because they had an abortion or because they were gay. I come from a very strict religious family and have gotten in many fights over gay rights. I just don't get it. I see no reason they shouldn't be afforded the same rights as us.
Although I'm pro life I think there are too many gray areas for this to ever be realistically achieved in real life. A women should not be forced to carry a baby if it is endangering her life/health. And what to do about rape and incest? And how do you prove this? Too many things in the gray.
I also have many family members who are pro life and pro death penalty. I don't understand this thinking either. A life is a life, I see both as life and don't think it's right to be choosing which lives are worth more.
I agree the sex ed is severely lacking, I was shocked to learn while ttc how small that window actually was. But I don't buy that as an excuse. I was 15 when I started and went to planned parenthood before hand. Got on the pill, used condoms, had my partner pull out. Did what I could to prevent but feel if you can't live with the possible repercussions than don't have sex.
My UO--I can't remember what it was, I think I need to start using sticky notes and saving my thoughts.
TTC since 2008, our little miracle arrived July 2013!
There is so much in this thread that bothers me. I'm annoyed and a bit angry by the women in this thread that paint the entire Republican Party as pro-life anti-abortion/ anti-gay rights bigots. That really bothers me because that is just as judgey and intolerant as you are painting them. I personally don't think abortion is ok. I don't think I could ever do it. However, if another woman wants to make that choice then that's on her. Doesn't make it an easy choice and it doesn't make her a soulless heathen or anything of the sort. I think it's crap to hate on a woman for her weight whatever it is. If she wants to look the way she looks let her. It's her choice. None of your business. My marriage is not a marriage where porn is considered ok and to judge me for the choices I made with my husband is also a bunch of crap. What the hell does it matter to you what we choose for our marriage? Why do you care what boundaries we set for our marriage? Last I checked you weren't involved in our marriage vows. This whole thread pretty much pissed me off.
Are you referring to my comment? Perhaps I was misunderstood. I think it's silly to consider porn cheating, as though it's the same as YH kissing another woman. I think it's totally fine/normal/OK/whatever to agree that it's not part of your marriage, and if YH went back on that agreement, it's worth being pissed about, but it's not cheating IMO. FWIW, again, neither of us is into porn, but if he saw some porno at a guys party, I wouldn't consider him having cheated.
It was not specifically you. I think Robyn annoyed me more than you. She likes porn. We get it. Don't look down on others who don't believe porn is healthy in OUR relationship.
I find people who truly get pissed off about an UO thread shouldn't read them. The world is made up of a lot of different view points. I truly enjoy reading other people's opinions even if they are completely different than mine. I don't hate them or even look at them differently because we disagree. Maybe I am alone in this thought.
It always amazes me how upset people get about some of these threads. It's someone's opinion! There is no way we are going to change it so why try? It isn't worth getting worked up over IMO- this is the Internet. As much as I love you guys, I'm not going to get all worked up if our opinions differ or you don't agree with something I say or you don't like me. I read stuff on here everyday that makes me roll my eyes or shake my head but it isn't something that I take personally. I've been around these boards a looooong time and I can count on one hand the number of times I've gotten worked up about something and typically I've forgotten about it the next day lol
I think what made me upset is that a whole group of people were painted as bigots. As anti-abortion bigots. A group of people that I more closely relate to than the so called liberal group. They are being just as intolerant and offensive as they are painting me and others like me. So it's a bit offensive. I'll get over it and I'll enjoy interacting with them but that doesn't mean that I can't be annoyed and a bit pissed that they would think so little of me.
Also, @Chunkymonkeylvr every time I see your SN I want ice cream, BAD. So if these last ten lbs never come off, know that you helped keep them here. haha
because it didn't fucking snow enough for me to build my own
There is so much in this thread that bothers me. I'm annoyed and a bit angry by the women in this thread that paint the entire Republican Party as pro-life anti-abortion/ anti-gay rights bigots. That really bothers me because that is just as judgey and intolerant as you are painting them. I personally don't think abortion is ok. I don't think I could ever do it. However, if another woman wants to make that choice then that's on her. Doesn't make it an easy choice and it doesn't make her a soulless heathen or anything of the sort.
I think it's crap to hate on a woman for her weight whatever it is. If she wants to look the way she looks let her. It's her choice. None of your business.
My marriage is not a marriage where porn is considered ok and to judge me for the choices I made with my husband is also a bunch of crap. What the hell does it matter to you what we choose for our marriage? Why do you care what boundaries we set for our marriage? Last I checked you weren't involved in our marriage vows.
This whole thread pretty much pissed me off.
I'm not sure if what I said was part of what offended you or not, but I can see how what I said to Lizzie could seem judgy on pro-life people. I should have said "some" pro-lifers because that's the more accurate picture.
YES! My UO is that I am so fucking happy that we are all finally admitting that we don't fucking love everyone. Holy shit it has been like one giant love fest up in here for awhile. FINALLY we are coming out and saying it, we don't like everyone. Some people annoy the shit out of me, and that is okay! Hell I probably annoy the shit out of someone. I hope I do. Not everyone can love everyone. No ELE for me. Oh but I lurv @mermomo5 :x
because it didn't fucking snow enough for me to build my own
@meimsx yes I do like porn, and I do think its ridiculous when people consider is cheating, I'm not looking down on anyone, it's my opinion. And don't come on here preaching how no one should judge other people's relationships when I think you are the most judgmental person on this board. I've seen you single out one particular person a number of times for being a 1950's wife and judging her and her SO's relationship. You need to practice what you preach. ETA: I think you need to step away from the UO threads. They always seem to get you worked up.
Please point out multiple times I looked down on someone for that? I voiced my opinion on that one thread. Back it up Robyn. Find the threads.
@meimsx No offense, you know I love you, but I don't think it's right for you to call someone out for being "a 1950's housewife," then to tell everyone that they should be tolerant of you and your H's views on porn. Unless someone is being outrightly victimized in a relationship, what happens between 2 consenting adults is nobody's business.
I truly hope this doesn't upset you. It's just something that's been weighing on me for awhile.
@meimsx No offense, you know I love you, but I don't think it's right for you to call someone out for being "a 1950's housewife," then to tell everyone that they should be tolerant of you and your H's views on porn. Unless someone is being outrightly victimized in a relationship, what happens between 2 consenting adults is nobody's business. I truly hope this doesn't upset you. It's just something that's been weighing on me for awhile.
I'm not going to get into it. I've typed up long responses and deleted each one because it's not worth it. Robyn has her opinion and I have mine. She can't back up her claims and I've come to realize I just don't really care for her. She doesn't care for me either and I'm more than fine with that.
@meimsx No offense, you know I love you, but I don't think it's right for you to call someone out for being "a 1950's housewife," then to tell everyone that they should be tolerant of you and your H's views on porn. Unless someone is being outrightly victimized in a relationship, what happens between 2 consenting adults is nobody's business.
I truly hope this doesn't upset you. It's just something that's been weighing on me for awhile.
This is what I was thinking as well. Not to single any one person out but I think a lot of people on this bmb get so upset if somebody's views are different from their own. I understand a healthy debate but I've watched disagreements get very ugly on this board for differing opinions. I think it's silly. It's being mean and hateful for no reason IMO.
ETA: If someone disagrees with you, fine. But is that reason enough to call them a bad mom? No. Calm your tits.
@meimsx did you not read what Val wrote to you? Really? Are you in denial? Why don't you dig out those threads and prove that your not being judgmental? And for the record, you called me out too. And this isn't the first time you've singled me out about something that I have posted that you didn't agree with. Stop having such a closed mind.
Yes I read it. Thanks. What happened to you being done?
I will say this and it may blow up or blow over but I used to watch porn, like it whatever, use it (?!) you know what I mean and then something occurred to me. As I watched on TV more and more children get abducted and more and more children, and even babies, get victimized by someone's sick sexual desires I couldn't separate the two in my brain anymore. I couldn't justify there being different levels or interest... It just is what it is... A way to sexually excite ourselves and it's the same vehicle, IMO, that leads to peoples out of control sexual impulses that victimize others. Like I said I kinda evolved to this train of thought over time... But now I can't look at it wo thinking that I am in someway supporting an industry that is causing sexual violence against children and women. I can't think of anything more soul stealing, more awful and I can't even for a min, even if it's not directly related, let myself participate. The fun is gone, I don't want to read about anyone's babies being abducted and raped and killed and I can't support something that I think contributes to it. Maybe this is an UO or maybe you'll agree but that's where I'm at... I'm not judging at all bc this is a recent thing for me but I decided to share while we were kinda on the topic. This is not directed at anyone, I spead read (is that a thing) the whole post and I didn't pay much attention to names at all)
@citrusfamily - this is an interesting way to view it and I'm glad you brought it up. This isn't exactly the same thing but I have known married couples who've had major marital issues due to porn addictions.. For me it just brings too many potential problems to the table.
@etoille - hah, me too re: girl on girl porn.. Well except I have kissed a girl.. Hmm. I don't watch anymore but GoG was my fav. Maybe this should have been on FFFC
Re: UO
ETA: I feel like a nerd.
There are also other methods rather than the pill. If someone truly did not want to get pregnant there are ways to still have sex and not get pregnant. You could temp, you could do the pill plus other options, you could figure out the most opportune time that you should not have sex just from counting from your last period.
Like I said not anti abortion, just anti the dad not having a choice. If she wants the baby he has to pay, it is a double standard. I just find it very shady and wrong.
Sometimes you do everything right and still get a different outcome. I was one the pill, used condoms everytime, and was toms I couldn't conceive and here I am. I took the same stand as you until it happened to me. Best thing to ever happen but still
Even though this is UO I think it is wise to stay away from experience type options (formula feeding, medicated births, abortion) because we do not know each others experiences.
I have never had an abortion, but was in the room to have one when I learned I was 16 weeks along with LO. I was advised by many dr.s that it would be best for my health. You bet your ass I would have mourned the loss of that child. Sometimes even if you have a choice you are led to believe you don't.
I really regret looking at this thread and really wish people would think before they post.
My husband was a professional race car driver.....I agree that it is a sport from the training I've seen him do. I also figure skated growing up and believe that is a sport as well as competitive cheer and gymnastics. The training and commitment you have to put into these sports are intense. Now off to read the rest of the UO's!
ETA: I feel like a nerd.
Modern Family Phil and Luke!
I thought about bringing up this point earlier but was afraid to really get too involved in the discussion.. Pro-lifers seem to paint this picture of those who make (or even consider) the choice to get an abortion as heartless, irresponsible jerks (or worse), but that is so harsh and insensitive. Until a person has been there they can't hope to understand the emotions that are involved for the woman or the reasons she is considering abortion. For many women I would guess it's a very gut-wrenching decision.. but as with many things, people can have pretty unforgiving opinions on the subject until it's their turn to make a choice.
I really hope you don't take anything here too personally. Chances are they've just never been in your shoes or shoes even remotely similar. You had an impossibly hard set of circumstances to deal with and you were doing what you determined was best in your situation.
Oh, here's another set of hugs, just in case you need them.
There are three reasons for breast-feeding: the milk is always at the right temperature; it comes in attractive containers; and the cat can't get it. ~Irena Chalmers
I lost my angels 07/2010, 04/2017, 10/2017
Meimsx no more
Duplicate--deleting
I started the thread thinking I was amazed this could be discussed with out people taking it personally and getting hurt as I've never discussed this with irl friends as I know that would not be the case. And after further reading not the case here either.
I'm pro life and I think I'm the only lifer out of all my friends. Not sure if any of them know that other than my bff. I throw this stance in the bucket with my thoughts on gays. I may not agree with it but I don't think it's my right to judge others on their life choices. I would never unfriend someone because they had an abortion or because they were gay. I come from a very strict religious family and have gotten in many fights over gay rights. I just don't get it. I see no reason they shouldn't be afforded the same rights as us.
Although I'm pro life I think there are too many gray areas for this to ever be realistically achieved in real life. A women should not be forced to carry a baby if it is endangering her life/health. And what to do about rape and incest? And how do you prove this? Too many things in the gray.
I also have many family members who are pro life and pro death penalty. I don't understand this thinking either. A life is a life, I see both as life and don't think it's right to be choosing which lives are worth more.
I agree the sex ed is severely lacking, I was shocked to learn while ttc how small that window actually was. But I don't buy that as an excuse. I was 15 when I started and went to planned parenthood before hand. Got on the pill, used condoms, had my partner pull out. Did what I could to prevent but feel if you can't live with the possible repercussions than don't have sex.
My UO--I can't remember what it was, I think I need to start using sticky notes and saving my thoughts.
It was not specifically you. I think Robyn annoyed me more than you. She likes porn. We get it. Don't look down on others who don't believe porn is healthy in OUR relationship.
I lost my angels 07/2010, 04/2017, 10/2017
Meimsx no more
I think what made me upset is that a whole group of people were painted as bigots. As anti-abortion bigots. A group of people that I more closely relate to than the so called liberal group. They are being just as intolerant and offensive as they are painting me and others like me. So it's a bit offensive. I'll get over it and I'll enjoy interacting with them but that doesn't mean that I can't be annoyed and a bit pissed that they would think so little of me.
I lost my angels 07/2010, 04/2017, 10/2017
Meimsx no more
I lost my angels 07/2010, 04/2017, 10/2017
Meimsx no more
I truly hope this doesn't upset you. It's just something that's been weighing on me for awhile.
I lost my angels 07/2010, 04/2017, 10/2017
Meimsx no more
Not to single any one person out but I think a lot of people on this bmb get so upset if somebody's views are different from their own. I understand a healthy debate but I've watched disagreements get very ugly on this board for differing opinions. I think it's silly. It's being mean and hateful for no reason IMO.
ETA: If someone disagrees with you, fine. But is that reason enough to call them a bad mom? No. Calm your tits.
Yes I read it. Thanks. What happened to you being done?
I lost my angels 07/2010, 04/2017, 10/2017
Meimsx no more
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