Smoking weed while pregnant...

bstrangely · March 2010

sweetcaroline10:
bstrangely:

jess0884:
Wow. Unfortunately we see babies in the NICU with drugs in their little bodies. It's fine with the moms make that decision, but the baby has no choice. Seeing babies go through those withdraws is horrible and disturbing. If people only knew...

ok, seriously... what does weed do? have you ever really seen a baby have marijuana withdrawal?

yeah. no. are you seriosuly advocating that a baby will be fine if the mother chooses to smoke pot while pregnant?

no, actually i'm not. i think mothers should probably abstain from all drugs, even legal ones during pregnancy. that's what i'm doing. frankly, i miss beer more than pot.

what i am trying to wrap my head around is why people get so het up about marijuana use when there is no proof it's even as bad as alcohol or cigarettes during pregnancy. none.

https://www.mothering.com/pregnancy-birth/use-marijuana-during-pregnancy

Cathie111 · March 2010

KSnelson89:
zukolivie:
Bottom line: if you do drugs while you are pregnant, you are a fvcking idiot.

This exactly.

Ditto...

Serafeena:
meatball17:
I wish, could you imagine how great that would be for the m/s and especially while in labor. Not so good for the snacking...

I'm thinking I'd get the fear and flip the eff out if I were high during labor! Lol.

LMAO

Serafeena · March 2010

bstrangely:
kimandhuck:

Actually, you brought up cigarettes in your first post. Nice try.

But like others have said, marijuana is illegal so there's no possibility of doing tests on it to actually see what it does to you or the baby. But if you were around someone that's high and you weren't high yourself, you'd see how big of a fvcking idiot it makes them.

uh, i used to be around high people quite frequently before i started smoking, since i started in college. and yeah, they can be annoying. oh noes! and seriously, cigs are worse in that they are more addictive and more harmful than marijuana. so why are you folks harping on marijuana? the only reason i brought up cigarettes was to show that weirdness.

there are actually a lot of studies and tests that have been done showing that pot doesn't harm anyone. i've posted quite a few of them. i'd rather be informed, instead of a fvcking idiot who only posts her opinions.

that's like saying that everybody who drinks can be compared to boisterous, drunk, destructive, beer-can-smashing-on-head frat boys.

bstrangely · March 2010

msrkilpatrick:
"ok, seriously... what does weed do? have you ever really seen a baby have marijuana withdrawal"
I see where the confusion can come in, as there really haven't been studies done because the drug is illegal. From personal experience, my niece smoked weed throughout her pregnancy with my nephew. She did not drink or engage in other risky activities. He was born with a myriad of neurological disorders. When his brain scans were done shortly after birth, they found that his brain showed similar function to a person who was currently high. He had severe difficulties eating. His doctors attribute many of his disabilities to the weed consumption, but as you said, no research has or can be done ethically because weed is illegal. He is 7 now and functions as if he were 3-4.
There will always be people who say "I did it and my child is fine", but why chance it?
Just my humble opinion.

actually, there have been a few studies, just not as many as with cigarettes and alcohol.

https://www.mothering.com/pregnancy-birth/use-marijuana-during-pregnancy

that is an incredibly sad thing that happened to your niece, but as you said, there will always be people who say x. and i don't want to offend you, but there's no way to know what else she did when she was pregnant. there is no study showing that babies who are exposed to thc in the womb come out permanently high. i would prefer that they legalized it so more studies could be done, but i think anecdotes are just not helpful in these instances. i am sorry that that happened though. why do the doctors say it is marijuana related?

OregonMama · March 2010

melzer14:

yes I drank alcohol..but I also know how to cut myself off before I become a blubbering idiot. I'm sorry that sitting around eating EVERYTHING in sight all day doesn't sound like much fun for me. Pot heads are not only annoying but you can't have a conversation with them...they are complete idiots on that stuff.....

And you can have your own opinion and try to defend yourself...i'm still sticking with anyone who smokes pot while pregnant is a f-ing moron and you posting articles trying to prove to me it's not bad is not going to change my mind....I think you are VERY wrong.

Okay, I'm going to take offense at this one. Some of the best conversations I've ever had were sitting around stoned off my ass with my friends. And yes, I remember them the next day. So while some potheads are stupid when high, not all. Same goes for drunks. I've been around people who have had a few drinks that I wanted to smack they were so annoying.

We also didn't sit around eating everything in sight. Generalizations much?

modechick · March 2010

Not even going to touch this one. Going to back out of the room slowly. Indifferent

bstrangely · March 2010

melzer14:
MrsBNDO:
I didn't quote where it was asked, but someone wanted to know about effects/withdrawals of marijuana and newborns; I'm no expert, but a really quick google found this:

"Their newborns can experience mild withdrawal and some nervous system effects. And the toxic effects of pre-natal marijuana exposure is the gift that keeps on giving. Effects are often not readily apparent in newborns. Still, psychologists who have studied these babies have found neurological delays. Likewise, few negative effects are apparent between the ages of 1 and 3. But a woman shouldn't be fooled if she has heard of a study where the very young kids show no ill effects. Pre-natal marijuana exposure effects what are called "higher cognitive functions" which don't express themselves until later. At four years old, decreases in verbal ability and memory can be found in those kid exposed to pre-natal marijuana use. At ages 5 and 6, more problems with attention span are found. Needless to say, none of this sets the kid up for a great experience in grade school. At ages 9-12, the same problems persist and compound. Pre-natally exposed to marijuana kids have lower impulse control, don't do as well on certain types of analysis and reasoning tasks, and have lower reading and language skills."
https://www.estronaut.com/a/pregnancy_with_marijuana.htm

and if I am correct...the girl who is arguing with everyone about it not being bad actually said that she "researched it" and there was nothing stating that it was bad for the baby....you fail.

yes, i did. this is why:

"Out of all the OPPS studies and all the tests given, researchers have found very few differences between marijuana-exposed and nonexposed children. At age one, researchers found that marijuana-exposed infants scored higher on one set of cognitive tests.27 At age three, the children of moderate marijuana users (one to five joints per week during pregnancy) had higher scores on one test of psychomotor ability.28 At age four, the children of women who smoked marijuana heavily during pregnancy (an average of nineteen joints per week) scored lower on one subscale of one cognitive test.29 However, at ages five and six, this difference was no longer present.30 When the children were six, the researchers added several new measures of ?attentional behavior.? The children of heavy marijuana users scored lower on one computer-based test of ?vigilance.?31 Eleven new psychological and cognitive tests, administered to six- to nine-year-olds, showed no statistically significant differences between the children of marijuana users and nonusers. Parents rated marijuana-exposed children as having more ?conduct problems,? but this difference disappeared after the researchers controlled for confounding variables.32

Despite the overwhelming similarities in the children of marijuana users and nonusers, in their published reports OPPS researchers consistently highlight the occasional negative finding. Fried believes that these findings underestimate the harms of prenatal marijuana exposure. He suggests that ?more sensitive measures? are needed because:

instruments that provide a general description of cognitive abilities may not be capable of identifying nuances in neuro-behaviour that may discriminate between the marijuana-exposed and non-marijuana exposed children. . . . Tests that examine specific characteristics that may underline cognitive performance may be more appropriate and successful.33

Recently, Fried predicted that a new test of ?executive function? would reveal marijuana-related deficits in preteen youngsters.34 A short time later, Fried announced that preliminary analysis of his data showed this effect was present.35 Almost immediately, his announcement appeared in U.S. government reports as evidence of marijuana?s harm to the fetus.36 Additional reports of harm based on the OPPS sample, which now includes fewer than thirty marijuana-exposed children, may be forthcoming?despite the fact that, according to Fried, the consequences of prenatal drug exposure typically diminish as children get older.37
After controlling for known confounding variables, Fried estimates that prenatal drug exposure accounts for 8 percent or less of the variance in children?s scores on developmental and cognitive tests?and this estimate is for alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana combined.38 In essentially all studies, marijuana contributes less than alcohol or tobacco.39 In addition, the findings differ from one study to another, and show no consistent relationship of fetal harm to either the timing or degree of marijuana exposure. While it is sensible to advise women to abstain from all drugs during pregnancy, the weight of current scientific evidence suggests that marijuana does not directly harm the human fetus."

say, maybe one or two of y'all could try clicking on them links i'm providing! you cited a report from 1999, with NO CITATIONS OR FOOTNOTES.

https://www.mothering.com/pregnancy-birth/use-marijuana-during-pregnancy

what exactly do you think research is?

melzer14 · March 2010

OregonMama:
melzer14:
yes I drank alcohol..but I also know how to cut myself off before I become a blubbering idiot. I'm sorry that sitting around eating EVERYTHING in sight all day doesn't sound like much fun for me. Pot heads are not only annoying but you can't have a conversation with them...they are complete idiots on that stuff.....
And you can have your own opinion and try to defend yourself...i'm still sticking with anyone who smokes pot while pregnant is a f-ing moron and you posting articles trying to prove to me it's not bad is not going to change my mind....I think you are VERY wrong.
Okay, I'm going to take offense at this one. Some of the best conversations I've ever had were sitting around stoned off my ass with my friends. And yes, I remember them the next day. So while some potheads are stupid when high, not all. Same goes for drunks. I've been around people who have had a few drinks that I wanted to smack they were so annoying.
We also didn't sit around eating everything in sight. Generalizations much?

Well i'm sorry I didn't mean to offend you. I had a group of friends that were exactly the way I described....every time so I generalize off that. Sorry

jess0884 · March 2010

I wonder if the DEA would be interested in this board now!!!!!

melzer14 · March 2010

bstrangely:
melzer14:
MrsBNDO:
I didn't quote where it was asked, but someone wanted to know about effects/withdrawals of marijuana and newborns; I'm no expert, but a really quick google found this:

"Their newborns can experience mild withdrawal and some nervous system effects. And the toxic effects of pre-natal marijuana exposure is the gift that keeps on giving. Effects are often not readily apparent in newborns. Still, psychologists who have studied these babies have found neurological delays. Likewise, few negative effects are apparent between the ages of 1 and 3. But a woman shouldn't be fooled if she has heard of a study where the very young kids show no ill effects. Pre-natal marijuana exposure effects what are called "higher cognitive functions" which don't express themselves until later. At four years old, decreases in verbal ability and memory can be found in those kid exposed to pre-natal marijuana use. At ages 5 and 6, more problems with attention span are found. Needless to say, none of this sets the kid up for a great experience in grade school. At ages 9-12, the same problems persist and compound. Pre-natally exposed to marijuana kids have lower impulse control, don't do as well on certain types of analysis and reasoning tasks, and have lower reading and language skills."
https://www.estronaut.com/a/pregnancy_with_marijuana.htm

and if I am correct...the girl who is arguing with everyone about it not being bad actually said that she "researched it" and there was nothing stating that it was bad for the baby....you fail.

yes, i did. this is why:
"Out of all the OPPS studies and all the tests given, researchers have found very few differences between marijuana-exposed and nonexposed children. At age one, researchers found that marijuana-exposed infants scored higher on one set of cognitive tests.27 At age three, the children of moderate marijuana users (one to five joints per week during pregnancy) had higher scores on one test of psychomotor ability.28 At age four, the children of women who smoked marijuana heavily during pregnancy (an average of nineteen joints per week) scored lower on one subscale of one cognitive test.29 However, at ages five and six, this difference was no longer present.30 When the children were six, the researchers added several new measures of ?attentional behavior.? The children of heavy marijuana users scored lower on one computer-based test of ?vigilance.?31 Eleven new psychological and cognitive tests, administered to six- to nine-year-olds, showed no statistically significant differences between the children of marijuana users and nonusers. Parents rated marijuana-exposed children as having more ?conduct problems,? but this difference disappeared after the researchers controlled for confounding variables.32

Despite the overwhelming similarities in the children of marijuana users and nonusers, in their published reports OPPS researchers consistently highlight the occasional negative finding. Fried believes that these findings underestimate the harms of prenatal marijuana exposure. He suggests that ?more sensitive measures? are needed because:

instruments that provide a general description of cognitive abilities may not be capable of identifying nuances in neuro-behaviour that may discriminate between the marijuana-exposed and non-marijuana exposed children. . . . Tests that examine specific characteristics that may underline cognitive performance may be more appropriate and successful.33

Recently, Fried predicted that a new test of ?executive function? would reveal marijuana-related deficits in preteen youngsters.34 A short time later, Fried announced that preliminary analysis of his data showed this effect was present.35 Almost immediately, his announcement appeared in U.S. government reports as evidence of marijuana?s harm to the fetus.36 Additional reports of harm based on the OPPS sample, which now includes fewer than thirty marijuana-exposed children, may be forthcoming?despite the fact that, according to Fried, the consequences of prenatal drug exposure typically diminish as children get older.37
After controlling for known confounding variables, Fried estimates that prenatal drug exposure accounts for 8 percent or less of the variance in children?s scores on developmental and cognitive tests?and this estimate is for alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana combined.38 In essentially all studies, marijuana contributes less than alcohol or tobacco.39 In addition, the findings differ from one study to another, and show no consistent relationship of fetal harm to either the timing or degree of marijuana exposure. While it is sensible to advise women to abstain from all drugs during pregnancy, the weight of current scientific evidence suggests that marijuana does not directly harm the human fetus."
say, maybe one or two of y'all could try clicking on them links i'm providing! you cited a report from 1999, with NO CITATIONS OR FOOTNOTES.
https://www.mothering.com/pregnancy-birth/use-marijuana-during-pregnancy
what exactly do you think research is?

There are so many different kinds of research on it! It all depends on where you are looking and which side you are looking to defend...

My main point...why the eff would you even want to chance it?

shawnandnickie · March 2010

bstrangely:
kimandhuck:
bstrangely:

jess0884:
Wow. Unfortunately we see babies in the NICU with drugs in their little bodies. It's fine with the moms make that decision, but the baby has no choice. Seeing babies go through those withdraws is horrible and disturbing. If people only knew...
ok, seriously... what does weed do? have you ever really seen a baby have marijuana withdrawal?
So you think that because it's a baby, it can't have withdrawls, just like an adult would?! Please, don't ever smoke marijuana again, you've already killed too many brain cells.
ok seriously... find me one case of marijuana withdrawal. just one. i didn't say any such thing... i asked the poster what she's seen that relates to the discussion. i am scared to death of every drug except for marijuana, because marijuana is no worse than alcohol, according to every piece of research i've ever seen on the subject. it's not even as bad as cigarettes.
https://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/
as you can see, i'm actually citing research for my position. i guess that's a symptom of marijuana withdrawal...

Honey, biased sites do not count as research. Try the peer-reviewed Gold Standard literature on your basic university library search. If I were trying to find "research" that eating remote controls was good for you, I am sure I could find some .org or "compassionate" site to support my position.

dee7972 · March 2010

OregonMama:

As a former pot-head (I gave it up when I decided to try to conceive), I can tell you that no matter what your feelings on weed, under no circumstances should you be exposing your baby to it! It's the same with alcohol, cigarettes and any other mind or mood altering substances - legal or not.

It's 9 months. NINE FRIGGIN' MONTHS. All women should have the self control to step away from the drugs, booze and cigarettes for a short nine months.

And yes, I'm putting alcohol in there as well because I give the side-eye to ANYONE who says "I'm having a glass of wine and it's okay cause it's just one" while pregnant. It's BS. If it alters YOUR MOOD, it effects YOUR BABY.

Well said Yes Yes Yes

UnderAtree · March 2010

My mom smoked the entire time she was pregnant with my brother and with me. Nothing happened to either of us. We are both A/B students, go to college and work. We were prefectly healthy when we were born to. So I don't see anything wrong with it.

TheBuddha · March 2010

bstrangely:
kimandhuck:

bstrangely:
well, i quit cold turkey when i got my bfp, but i find it more disturbing that in texas, you can get 20 years for smoking once while pregnant. that's ridiculous. there is no evidence that it does anything... i would just imagine it restricts oxygen the same way cigarettes do (that's why i stopped), but no one would lock a pregnant woman up for 20 years for smoking a cigarette.

Um, it's also not illegal to have cigarettes in your possession. It is to have weed. Big difference.

duh... but i'm wondering why it's illegal when no one has ever died from marijuana and cigarettes kill tons of people.

in california they tried to pass a law recently that said you couldn't smoke cigarettes in a car with a child under 7. i voted against it because i didn't think that was reasonable... would kids have to carry ids so the arresting officer could tell if they were 6 or 7? it might be well-intentioned, but utterly unenforceable. and tell me that isn't a totally arbitrary age limit.

Wow! NO ONE has ever died from marijuana? And your source for this is...?

amandaloren · March 2010

bstrangely:

jess0884:
Wow. Unfortunately we see babies in the NICU with drugs in their little bodies. It's fine with the moms make that decision, but the baby has no choice. Seeing babies go through those withdraws is horrible and disturbing. If people only knew...

ok, seriously... what does weed do? have you ever really seen a baby have marijuana withdrawal?

Just lurking here, but gotta say BSTRANGELY you are a f*cking idiot...NFT

melzer14 · March 2010

shawnandnickie:
bstrangely:
kimandhuck:
bstrangely:

jess0884:
Wow. Unfortunately we see babies in the NICU with drugs in their little bodies. It's fine with the moms make that decision, but the baby has no choice. Seeing babies go through those withdraws is horrible and disturbing. If people only knew...
ok, seriously... what does weed do? have you ever really seen a baby have marijuana withdrawal?
So you think that because it's a baby, it can't have withdrawls, just like an adult would?! Please, don't ever smoke marijuana again, you've already killed too many brain cells.
ok seriously... find me one case of marijuana withdrawal. just one. i didn't say any such thing... i asked the poster what she's seen that relates to the discussion. i am scared to death of every drug except for marijuana, because marijuana is no worse than alcohol, according to every piece of research i've ever seen on the subject. it's not even as bad as cigarettes.
https://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/
as you can see, i'm actually citing research for my position. i guess that's a symptom of marijuana withdrawal...
Honey, biased sites do not count as research. Try the peer-reviewed Gold Standard literature on your basic university library search. If I were trying to find "research" that eating remote controls was good for you, I am sure I could find some .org or "compassionate" site to support my position.

BRAVO!!!

p.s...that would be really funny to ACTUALLY find an article on eating remote controls...people don't get that you can't believe everything on the internet and a lot of it is opinion based...oy!

SunflowerMae · March 2010

I think that anything that intoxicates you should be avoided while pregnant. Intoxicants probably do have some affect on a fetus. I mean, they have an affect on the hosts brain... why wouldn't they do the same for an unborn baby in the same body?

I believe that's why they advise women to avoid chemicals, strong paint fumes, cigarettes, alcohol, weed, helium gases, etc.

In moderation it probably won't do anything...but repeated exposure is sure to and thats why there are warnings against such substances.

Drinking a beer while pregnant, having one smoke, painting a small room, etc probably won't do anything. I think the danger is excessive amounts, however, what is "excessive" for a pregnant women has not been defined. So your best bet is to avoid it entirely.

And I do give a side-eye to women who say the smoked pot while pregnant and everything is fine. They don't know that entirely. What if their child could've had an IQ of 128 instead of 120 if they'd not smoked? What if the reading comprehension problems the child will face in a few years could've been avoided if she'd not smoked?

bstrangely · March 2010

mocklerja:

Here is your study for you: https://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

Research on the long-term effects of marijuana abuse indicates some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system³ and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine.⁴ Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.

what are you trying to prove? i never said that marijuana didn't affect people, i am trying to get someone to explain why it's worth this kind of craziness when cigarettes are tolerated.

so why don't we look at the next paragraph?

"Long-term marijuana abusers trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which make it difficult to quit. These withdrawal symptoms begin within about 1 day following abstinence, peak at 2?3 days, and subside within 1 or 2 weeks following drug cessation.⁵"

let's compare that to nicotine, shall we?

"The first few weeks after quitting smoking are usually the most difficult and it's safe to say that it normally takes at least 8-12 weeks before a person starts to feel comfortable with their new lifestyle change of being an ex-smoker. Withdrawal from nicotine, an addictive drug found in tobacco, is characterized by symptoms that include headache, anxiety, nausea and a craving for more tobacco. Nicotine creates a chemical dependency, so that the body develops a need for a certain level of nicotine at all times. Unless that level is maintained, the body will begin to go through withdrawal. For tobacco users trying to quit, symptoms of withdrawal from nicotine are unpleasant and stressful, but only temporary. Most withdrawal symptoms peak 48 hours after you quit and are completely gone in six months."

https://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/withdrawal1.htm

well? that's almost exactly the same, isn't it? why should one be legal while the other isn't, especially the one that has caused no recorded deaths?

MrsBNDO · March 2010

I *think* maybe the problem with this overall discussion, i.e., the harmful effects of marijuana use pre-natally - is that there are just no "conclusive" studies about the definite effects of marijuana use either way. Obviously, a quick google will tell you that pot use can result in pre-term labor, low birth weight, withdrawal symptoms at birth, some long term cognitive issues, etc. - and we'd all agree that yes, these are very bad things. Especially when you take into account that these are problems that can be avoided. However, the flaw in a lot of these studies (at least from what I gather) is that it is hard for researchers to pinpoint exactly which problem stems from which harmful behavior in that a lot of times, the mother is engaging in pot use AND alcohol use, or pot use AND another narcotic, etc.

From what I can tell - and again, I'm just a lay person with an open google tab - you can pretty much find any study to back up any position on this issue, e.g., some studies say weed is VERY bad, some studies say it's not "as bad" as alcohol or narcotics, or even tobacco.

But I think the bottom line, at least for me, is there is nothing out there to say that smoking cigarettes, weed, crack, chugging a few beers is healthy for a developing child in utero, and therefore that sort of behavior will definitely get the side-eye from 99% of right-minded thinking individuals.

Just some random thoughts...FWIW.

katie9136 · March 2010

< Former pothead here too. I used to smoke several times a day. I love weed.

However, I quit the second I suspected I was pg and when I got my BFP. Exposing your unborn child or small baby to that is not okay under any circumstances. I would never ever EVER try to justify it the way that several of my friends did with ?Oh, it was the ONLY thing that cured my morning sickness? or ?I have no appetite unless I smoke first? and ?Well, since I can?t take my antidepressants, it?s the only thing that calms me down? It?s selfish to use those excuses and makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.

amandaloren · March 2010

UnderAtree:
My mom smoked the entire time she was pregnant with my brother and with me. Nothing happened to either of us. We are both A/B students, go to college and work. We were prefectly healthy when we were born to. So I don't see anything wrong with it.

Yah, good reason...You are okay so that means EVERYBODY will be okay...ummm I think not. Confused

bstrangely · March 2010

christiecrofford:
I knew a couple that adopted a baby that was affected by the mother smoking marijuana throughout her pregnancy. He was severely premature and underweight, barely escaping a stillbirth. He had traces of marijuana in his blood...it's just disgusting that some people would rather think of themselves when they're pregnant and not the life inside of them that their body is supporting. I'm not saying selfishness as in having a chocolate shake once in awhile. I'm talking the kind of selfishness that drives people to continue smoking/doing drugs/drinking alcohol while they are pregnant. My husband's ex-girlfriend almost lost their baby because she was smoking throughout her pregnancy; her 20th week, she started bleeding and almost had a miscarriage. Her doctor was like, "Um, here's a tip: STOP SMOKING." She almost killed her baby because she wasn't willing to put a cigarette down for 9 months.

And marijuana greatly impairs your judgement. My high school class's valedictorian blew a stop sign on a country road, T-boned a couple going to church one Sunday morning, and killed 3 people in a car accident because he was high. This was a guy going to college to be a doctor. I don't think intellect has anything to do with how your body responds to substances being put into it; especially drugs.

i will never defend driving while intoxicated. and that's not what the conversation is about. that is what pizza delivery is for.

OregonMama · March 2010

RitaT22:
OregonMama:

As a former pot-head (I gave it up when I decided to try to conceive), I can tell you that no matter what your feelings on weed, under no circumstances should you be exposing your baby to it! It's the same with alcohol, cigarettes and any other mind or mood altering substances - legal or not.

It's 9 months. NINE FRIGGIN' MONTHS. All women should have the self control to step away from the drugs, booze and cigarettes for a short nine months.

And yes, I'm putting alcohol in there as well because I give the side-eye to ANYONE who says "I'm having a glass of wine and it's okay cause it's just one" while pregnant. It's BS. If it alters YOUR MOOD, it effects YOUR BABY.

Your self confession made me giggle. I was a big social drinker before finding out I was pregnant, and in fact, drinking the first few weeks before I knew. I feel awful sometimes thinking that I exposed LO to that alcohol, but nothing I can do now. I have not had a drop of ANYTHING since BFP, and don't plan to, because like you said, it's only nine months. I can sacrifice nine months for a lifetime of a healthy baby.

Yeah, it's really not that hard. I don't understand why people think it is.

mocklerja · March 2010

bstrangely:
mocklerja:

Here is your study for you: https://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

Research on the long-term effects of marijuana abuse indicates some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system³ and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine.⁴ Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.

what are you trying to prove? i never said that marijuana didn't affect people, i am trying to get someone to explain why it's worth this kind of craziness when cigarettes are tolerated.

so why don't we look at the next paragraph?

"Long-term marijuana abusers trying to quit report irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which make it difficult to quit. These withdrawal symptoms begin within about 1 day following abstinence, peak at 2?3 days, and subside within 1 or 2 weeks following drug cessation.⁵"

let's compare that to nicotine, shall we?

"The first few weeks after quitting smoking are usually the most difficult and it's safe to say that it normally takes at least 8-12 weeks before a person starts to feel comfortable with their new lifestyle change of being an ex-smoker. Withdrawal from nicotine, an addictive drug found in tobacco, is characterized by symptoms that include headache, anxiety, nausea and a craving for more tobacco. Nicotine creates a chemical dependency, so that the body develops a need for a certain level of nicotine at all times. Unless that level is maintained, the body will begin to go through withdrawal. For tobacco users trying to quit, symptoms of withdrawal from nicotine are unpleasant and stressful, but only temporary. Most withdrawal symptoms peak 48 hours after you quit and are completely gone in six months."

https://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/withdrawal1.htm

well? that's almost exactly the same, isn't it? why should one be legal while the other isn't, especially the one that has caused no recorded deaths?

This was not an arguement about making it legal or not...it was what the affects of smoking weed....that is what I am saying....

bstrangely · March 2010

jays_bride:
Um, a few things for you judgy mcjudgersons...

You don't have withdrawl from marijuana nor is it addictive because it stores in your fat cells and you naturally detoxify ~ that's why it stays in your system for 30 days vs. cocaine or other drugs which leave your system in less than a week. I can think of a lot of prescription drugs that are given throughout pregnancy that would be a whole lot more dangerous!

Forward thinking doctors do prescribe it for m/s just as they do for cancer/AIDS treatment

Studies have been conducted in countries where it is legal/decriminalized and there is no evidence that it harms unborn babies, causes developmental delays, or anything else. Many studies actually show that users are more detail oriented and efficient in their performance. For posters to use their 'loser' friends as an example is ludicrous ~ your friend would probably still be a loser without pot, it's just something for them to do because they're bored. Many of you would be shocked to find out how many successful professionals partake on a regular basis.

Smoking issue holds no weight as it can be ingested in in other forms

It is legal in 13 states

That being said, it is a selfish act that should be avoided during pregnancy, just like any other recreational drug.

*applause!

MrsBNDO · March 2010

SunflowerMae:
And I do give a side-eye to women who say the smoked pot while pregnant and everything is fine. They don't know that entirely. What if their child could've had an IQ of 128 instead of 120 if they'd not smoked? What if the reading comprehension problems the child will face in a few years could've been avoided if she'd not smoked?

I always think about this too. I know a lot of mothers my mom's age bragged about how they drank throughout pregnancy and their kids turned out great. Well yeah, they did turn out pretty great, but what if they could've been better? As in, Josh is a successful i-banker, but if mommy didn't love the martinis, could he have been a Nobel Peace prize winner in physics? Stick out tongue

katie9136 · March 2010

OregonMama:
melzer14:

yes I drank alcohol..but I also know how to cut myself off before I become a blubbering idiot. I'm sorry that sitting around eating EVERYTHING in sight all day doesn't sound like much fun for me. Pot heads are not only annoying but you can't have a conversation with them...they are complete idiots on that stuff.....

And you can have your own opinion and try to defend yourself...i'm still sticking with anyone who smokes pot while pregnant is a f-ing moron and you posting articles trying to prove to me it's not bad is not going to change my mind....I think you are VERY wrong.

Okay, I'm going to take offense at this one. Some of the best conversations I've ever had were sitting around stoned off my ass with my friends. And yes, I remember them the next day. So while some potheads are stupid when high, not all. Same goes for drunks. I've been around people who have had a few drinks that I wanted to smack they were so annoying.

We also didn't sit around eating everything in sight. Generalizations much?

AGREED.

UnderAtree · March 2010

TheBuddha:
bstrangely:
kimandhuck:

bstrangely:
well, i quit cold turkey when i got my bfp, but i find it more disturbing that in texas, you can get 20 years for smoking once while pregnant. that's ridiculous. there is no evidence that it does anything... i would just imagine it restricts oxygen the same way cigarettes do (that's why i stopped), but no one would lock a pregnant woman up for 20 years for smoking a cigarette.

Um, it's also not illegal to have cigarettes in your possession. It is to have weed. Big difference.

duh... but i'm wondering why it's illegal when no one has ever died from marijuana and cigarettes kill tons of people.

in california they tried to pass a law recently that said you couldn't smoke cigarettes in a car with a child under 7. i voted against it because i didn't think that was reasonable... would kids have to carry ids so the arresting officer could tell if they were 6 or 7? it might be well-intentioned, but utterly unenforceable. and tell me that isn't a totally arbitrary age limit.

Wow! NO ONE has ever died from marijuana? And your source for this is...?

Actually she is right, I wouldn't say no one has EVER died but marijuana has lower rates in death then cigarettes, alcohol, and even caffeine! Haven't you ever watched documentries on this kind of stuff?

bstrangely · March 2010

mocklerja:
You must be really dense....there are at least 2 posts in here that have acutal research on the subject...apparently you are just trying to justify your actions....

or, i'm not magic and i take the time to actually read all the posts, plus any links. please see my more recent responses.

coshea1 · March 2010

MrsBNDO:
I *think* maybe the problem with this overall discussion, i.e., the harmful effects of marijuana use pre-natally - is that there are just no "conclusive" studies about the definite effects of marijuana use either way. Obviously, a quick google will tell you that pot use can result in pre-term labor, low birth weight, withdrawal symptoms at birth, some long term cognitive issues, etc. - and we'd all agree that yes, these are very bad things. Especially when you take into account that these are problems that can be avoided. However, the flaw in a lot of these studies (at least from what I gather) is that it is hard for researchers to pinpoint exactly which problem stems from which harmful behavior in that a lot of times, the mother is engaging in pot use AND alcohol use, or pot use AND another narcotic, etc.
From what I can tell - and again, I'm just a lay person with an open google tab - you can pretty much find any study to back up any position on this issue, e.g., some studies say weed is VERY bad, some studies say it's not "as bad" as alcohol or narcotics, or even tobacco.

But I think the bottom line, at least for me, is there is nothing out there to say that smoking cigarettes, weed, crack, chugging a few beers is healthy for a developing child in utero, and therefore that sort of behavior will definitely get the side-eye from 99% of right-minded thinking individuals.

Just some random thoughts...FWIW.

OMG...some actual commom sense! If there is no conclusive research/evidence to support the assumption that pot is not harmful to a fetus then why the hell would you take the chance? Does it really sound reasonable to refrain from eating lunch meat for 9 months and then turn around and smoke a joint?

bstrangely · March 2010

astroMom:
I don't have a study to cite, but my SIL who works at a hospital said she saw this tiny baby that was born 3 weeks early due to a pothead mom. He was even tinier than most would be being "just" 3 weeks early.

wow, that's extremely scientific.

giaM28 · March 2010

how the fvck is this even a debate? This just PROVES the ignorance and stupidity of people on the internet

For the record i am pro-marijuana and i believe it should be legalized for both medical and recreational use. I am not a heavy user but ill smoke if its around (IE 2x a year maybe?) but i would NEVER while pregnant. i even did my college thesis on it for my sociology class AND my speech and debate team won because of my research on it.

id send your friends comments to CPS.

bstrangely · March 2010

jess0884:
bstrangely:
jess0884:
Wow. Unfortunately we see babies in the NICU with drugs in their little bodies. It's fine with the moms make that decision, but the baby has no choice. Seeing babies go through those withdraws is horrible and disturbing. If people only knew...
ok, seriously... what does weed do? have you ever really seen a baby have marijuana withdrawal?
Yes I have. And seizures in a 4 day old are not the easiest thing to watch.

how did you know it was marijuana and not some other drug?

edit: adding this link:

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/978492-overview

melzer14 · March 2010

bstrangely:
astroMom:
I don't have a study to cite, but my SIL who works at a hospital said she saw this tiny baby that was born 3 weeks early due to a pothead mom. He was even tinier than most would be being "just" 3 weeks early.
wow, that's extremely scientific.

you know...you're actually quite annoying. Half the *** you have been posting is in your view point....there are arguments for BOTH sides...how about you let it go and move onto give your useless opinion somewhere else....

We get your opinion...and your not changing anyones mind sooooo you can stop now

mghnmouse · March 2010

chantellio:
Bandia12:
lmao. I know someone who smoked weed throughout her pregnancy, because her OB told her that it wasn't dangerous...
I thought I read somewhere that some doctors actually prescribe it for morning sickness.

This is true. In other more progressive places in the world they do a lot with it. ANd this is one of the uses, even past royalty have used it for PMS and M/S

melzer14 · March 2010

bstrangely:
jess0884:
bstrangely:
jess0884:
Wow. Unfortunately we see babies in the NICU with drugs in their little bodies. It's fine with the moms make that decision, but the baby has no choice. Seeing babies go through those withdraws is horrible and disturbing. If people only knew...
ok, seriously... what does weed do? have you ever really seen a baby have marijuana withdrawal?
Yes I have. And seizures in a 4 day old are not the easiest thing to watch.
how did you know it was marijuana and not some other drug?

WOW...you officially hurt my head. GIVE IT UP!! There is a little something called a drug test and i'm sure they did it to find out....common sense? Or do you lack that?

Cathie111 · March 2010

Painting a room was brought up in an response on this thread and as someone who worked behind two paint counters, this is only true if the paint is oil based, has lead (which you really won't find now), or is an exterior paint being used indoors. Latex based interior paints will NOT harm you or the baby while painting any size room. They suggest venting the room so you don't get a headache from the smell. Low VOC Paints are available and those help. Any ill effects coming from the paint fumes are not actually affective, but more based on smell. (Can cause nausea, especially in early pregnancy, just as any smells might, and may cause headache since our sense of smell is heightened). It's always a good idea to vent the room, just to avoid the annoyances that come with it. Using any of the solvent based/oil based paints, however, can be dangerous. I would not recommend using them indoors. Some people who have severe latex allergies need to use oil based paints, which is why it's continued to be made for interior walls...but I would NOT use it while pregnant, or have someone else do it for you. Staining something outside in plenty of fresh air is fine. This goes for stripping using solvents such as mineral spirits. Wear gloves, keep exposed skin that may be touched, covered, and just use good judgment. Again you won't find any lead based paints sold, but if your house came with some extra paint in the basement, if it looks old, don't use it. Do not scrape paint while pregnant if you do not know if there was once lead based paint on whatever you're scraping.

shawnandnickie · March 2010

bstrangely:
jays_bride:
It is legal in 13 states
*applause!

While I agree with your last statement re: the selfish act of any recreational drug while pregnant, I must point out one of the claims you stated. Marijuana has NOT been legalized in any states in the US. It has been decriminalised, some under special circumstances, i.e., medical, etc. It is still illegal under Federal law.

astroMom · March 2010

bstrangely:
astroMom:
I don't have a study to cite, but my SIL who works at a hospital said she saw this tiny baby that was born 3 weeks early due to a pothead mom. He was even tinier than most would be being "just" 3 weeks early.
wow, that's extremely scientific.

If a NICU doctor attributing marijuana to the child's issue is not scientific enough, then I guess we should all stop listening to our OBs advice, too.

bstrangely · March 2010

melzer14:
yes I drank alcohol..but I also know how to cut myself off before I become a blubbering idiot. I'm sorry that sitting around eating EVERYTHING in sight all day doesn't sound like much fun for me. Pot heads are not only annoying but you can't have a conversation with them...they are complete idiots on that stuff.....
And you can have your own opinion and try to defend yourself...i'm still sticking with anyone who smokes pot while pregnant is a f-ing moron and you posting articles trying to prove to me it's not bad is not going to change my mind....I think you are VERY wrong.

i imagine you do. i'm sticking with anyone who ignores evidence in favor of her own preconceived notions is a f-ing moron.

and i was actually incredibly competent while high. i imagine it's because i have a mild form of add already... it has a much more pronounced effect on my husband. it used to drive him nuts that i always wanted to talk about politics or philosophy while we were both stoned. it was cutting into his staring off into space time.

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