Smoking weed while pregnant...

meghan_marie

jess0884:

Wow. Unfortunately we see babies in the NICU with drugs in their little bodies. It's fine with the moms make that decision, but the baby has no choice. Seeing babies go through those withdraws is horrible and disturbing. If people only knew...

This

charmgal

Sweet Jesus I don't have time to read all the responses, but has someone already asked bstrangely why, if marijuana is not harmful, she "stopped cold turkey" when she got her bfp?

The point seems to be lost on strange-o is: smoke all the ganja you want if it's just you you're potentially affecting, but when there is a life growing inside you, grow the f up.

shawnandnickie

charmgal:

Sweet Jesus I don't have time to read all the responses, but has someone already asked bstrangely why, if marijuana is not harmful, she "stopped cold turkey" when she got her bfp?

The point seems to be lost on strange-o is: smoke all the ganja you want if it's just you you're potentially affecting, but when there is a life growing inside you, grow the f up.

Love it! 

OregonMama

melzer14:

OregonMama:

melzer14:

yes I drank alcohol..but I also know how to cut myself off before I become a blubbering idiot. I'm sorry that sitting around eating EVERYTHING in sight all day doesn't sound like much fun for me. Pot heads are not only annoying but you can't have a conversation with them...they are complete idiots on that stuff.....

And you can have your own opinion and try to defend yourself...i'm still sticking with anyone who smokes pot while pregnant is a f-ing moron and you posting articles trying to prove to me it's not bad is not going to change my mind....I think you are VERY wrong. 

Okay, I'm going to take offense at this one.  Some of the best conversations I've ever had were sitting around stoned off my ass with my friends.  And yes, I remember them the next day.  So while some potheads are stupid when high, not all.  Same goes for drunks.  I've been around people who have had a few drinks that I wanted to smack they were so annoying. 

We also didn't sit around eating everything in sight.  Generalizations much?

Well i'm sorry I didn't mean to offend you. I had a group of friends that were exactly the way I described....every time so I generalize off that. Sorry 

No worries )

OregonMama

jess0884:

I wonder if the DEA would be interested in this board now!!!!!

Pretty sure the DEA has better things to do with their time than worry about a bunch of hormonal pregnant women discussing weed.

PubStar09

Holy Hell.  I just read through this entire thread, and omg.  Is this chick honestly trying to argue the merits of pot smoking?

My only argument will be that pot is illegal in most states, and accordingly, the user can be thrown in prison for merely possessing it.  That being said, why risk smoking pot because you're selfish, if you could end up being detained and taken away from your family/children? (Yes, pot is dangerous, but so are cigarettes and alcohol, this isn't about "pot is MORE dangerous", it's about "pot is illegal in most places)

Also, that being said, I don't smoke pot, but I agree with making it legal nationwide.  It's really no worse than cigarettes or alcohol, and we're wasting too many tax dollars trying to arrest people in association with marijuana. Make it legal, tax the *** out of it, and get some of that "war on drugs" money back.

OregonMama

katie9136:

< Former pothead here too. I used to smoke several times a day. I love weed.

However, I quit the second I suspected I was pg and when I got my BFP. Exposing your unborn child or small baby to that is not okay under any circumstances. I would never ever EVER try to justify it the way that several of my friends did with ?Oh, it was the ONLY thing that cured my morning sickness? or ?I have no appetite unless I smoke first? and ?Well, since I can?t take my antidepressants, it?s the only thing that calms me down? It?s selfish to use those excuses and makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.

I love you.

FishNchips1

oye vey. Yup your friend is a moron.

Serafeena

charmgal:

Sweet Jesus I don't have time to read all the responses, but has someone already asked bstrangely why, if marijuana is not harmful, she "stopped cold turkey" when she got her bfp?

The point seems to be lost on strange-o is: smoke all the ganja you want if it's just you you're potentially affecting, but when there is a life growing inside you, grow the f up.

She's not advocating smoking while pregnant, she's just trying to disprove misconceptions and stereotypes. 

Serafeena

OregonMama:

jess0884:

I wonder if the DEA would be interested in this board now!!!!!

Pretty sure the DEA has better things to do with their time than worry about a bunch of hormonal pregnant women discussing weed.

nuh-uhhhh they're watchinggggg. 

Serafeena

bstrangely:

melzer14:

yes I drank alcohol..but I also know how to cut myself off before I become a blubbering idiot. I'm sorry that sitting around eating EVERYTHING in sight all day doesn't sound like much fun for me. Pot heads are not only annoying but you can't have a conversation with them...they are complete idiots on that stuff.....

And you can have your own opinion and try to defend yourself...i'm still sticking with anyone who smokes pot while pregnant is a f-ing moron and you posting articles trying to prove to me it's not bad is not going to change my mind....I think you are VERY wrong. 

i imagine you do. i'm sticking with anyone who ignores evidence in favor of her own preconceived notions is a f-ing moron. 

and i was actually incredibly competent while high. i imagine it's because i have a mild form of add already... it has a much more pronounced effect on my husband. it used to drive him nuts that i always wanted to talk about politics or philosophy while we were both stoned. it was cutting into his staring off into space time.

That made me laugh out loud.  Been there.  "Just shhhh, babe...." 

bstrangely

melzer14:

bstrangely:

what exactly do you think research is? 

There are so many different kinds of research on it! It all depends on where you are looking and which side you are looking to defend...

My main point...why the eff would you even want to chance it?  

facts don't have sides. i'm quoting the most comprehensive source i've yet found on the subject because i want to know what is true, not just find something that backs me up.

and i'm not chancing anything... as i said in the beginning, i already quit. but i do not understand why so many people in this thread are so anxious to lump marijuana in with heroine or crack when the evidence just isn't backing them up. that's weird to me, and that's what i want to understand.

Sarahk8

charmgal:

Sweet Jesus I don't have time to read all the responses, but has someone already asked bstrangely why, if marijuana is not harmful, she "stopped cold turkey" when she got her bfp?

The point seems to be lost on strange-o is: smoke all the ganja you want if it's just you you're potentially affecting, but when there is a life growing inside you, grow the f up.

 

ToshaGirl

I don't smoke pot, but quite frankly don't see anything wrong with it.

 (Is my Canadian showing?)

However...I completely disagree with anyone smoking pot while KU. You'd have to be a special kind of idiot to expose a fetus to any substance, regardless of how harmless you think it is.

VampyAuthor

what the fvck

bstrangely

shawnandnickie:

Honey, biased sites do not count as research.  Try the peer-reviewed Gold Standard literature on your basic university library search.  If I were trying to find "research" that eating remote controls was good for you, I am sure I could find some .org or "compassionate" site to support my position.   

no, but their citations to real, government funded studies do count as research. every single fact is backed up by evidence. did you even look at it?

try again.

bstrangely

TheBuddha:

bstrangely:

duh... but i'm wondering why it's illegal when no one has ever died from marijuana and cigarettes kill tons of people.

in california they tried to pass a law recently that said you couldn't smoke cigarettes in a car with a child under 7. i voted against it because i didn't think that was reasonable... would kids have to carry ids so the arresting officer could tell if they were 6 or 7? it might be well-intentioned, but utterly unenforceable. and tell me that isn't a totally arbitrary age limit.

Wow!  NO ONE has ever died from marijuana?  And your source for this is...?

1. (1999) "Indeed, epidemiological data indicate that in the general population marijuana use is not associated with increased mortality."

   Source: 

   Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A Benson, Jr., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999), p. 109.
   https://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309071550&page=109

https://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30

but wait, there's more!

1. "Tetrahydrocannabinol is a very safe drug. Laboratory animals (rats, mice, dogs, monkeys) can tolerate doses of up to 1,000 mg/kg (milligrams per kilogram). This would be equivalent to a 70 kg person swallowing 70 grams of the drug?about 5,000 times more than is required to produce a high. Despite the widespread illicit use of cannabis there are very few if any instances of people dying from an overdose. In Britain, official government statistics listed five deaths from cannabis in the period 1993-1995 but on closer examination these proved to have been deaths due to inhalation of vomit that could not be directly attributed to cannabis (House of Lords Report, 1998). By comparison with other commonly used recreational drugs these statistics are impressive."

   Source: 

   Iversen, Leslie L., PhD, FRS, "The Science of Marijuana" (London, England: Oxford University Press, 2000), p. 178, citing House of Lords, Select Committee on Science and Technology, "Cannabis ? The Scientific and Medical Evidence" (London, England: The Stationery Office, Parliament, 1998).

2. An exhaustive search of the literature finds no deaths induced by marijuana. The US Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) records instances of drug mentions in medical examiners' reports, and though marijuana is mentioned, it is usually in combination with alcohol or other drugs. Marijuana alone has not been shown to cause an overdose death.

   Source: 

   Source: Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN), available on the web at https://www.samhsa.gov/ ; also see Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A. Benson, Jr., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999), available on the web at https://www.nap.edu/html/marimed/; and US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition" (Docket #86-22), September 6, 1988, p. 57.

 for those of us with standard systems... 70 grams converts to 2 and 1/2 ounces.

heatheruby

Ryleigh:

bstrangely:

X0xtilsterx0x:

Those people are extremely ignorant to the fact of what that can do to a baby and their development. I wasn't trying to conceive but as soon as I found out a few weeks along, I stopped socially drinking. It terrifies me what that may have done in the first few weeks but since I didn't know there was nothing more I could have done. I'm just glad I wasn't acting like I was in college and drinking and getting hammered everynight. But that is one thing I am and would be afraid. I can't stand people who think it's ok to continue to mutilate not only their bodies but their baby's. 

so what does it do?

i've researched this pretty extensively, and i have found no study that conclusively shows it does anything.  i honestly wish they'd legalize it so that someone could do the proper research.

I am going to go with what I think is common sense here & say that if a substance impairs my ability to think/act... I don't need a study to tell me that it is something I should not be using while pregnant.

This.

bstrangely

katie9136:

< Former pothead here too. I used to smoke several times a day. I love weed.

However, I quit the second I suspected I was pg and when I got my BFP. Exposing your unborn child or small baby to that is not okay under any circumstances. I would never ever EVER try to justify it the way that several of my friends did with ?Oh, it was the ONLY thing that cured my morning sickness? or ?I have no appetite unless I smoke first? and ?Well, since I can?t take my antidepressants, it?s the only thing that calms me down? It?s selfish to use those excuses and makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.

wait a second here... i did quit, but they prescribe some pretty harsh drugs for morning sickness and depression. if marijuana really helps someone not have to take those, then i'm all for it, especially under the supervision of a dr. because there really is no evidence that pot causes any harm. especially for depression, since there was recently a study linking depression during pregnancy with teen aggression:

https://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=news&id=125700&cn=5

bstrangely

mocklerja:

 This was not an arguement about making it legal or not...it was what the affects of smoking weed....that is what I am saying....

uh, yeah, the conversation was about smoking weed and the effects on a baby. would you like to post something regarding that? again, no one has said it didn't do anything to users. 

Cathie111

I think I'm getting a contact high...

 

OregonMama

bstrangely:

katie9136:

< Former pothead here too. I used to smoke several times a day. I love weed.

However, I quit the second I suspected I was pg and when I got my BFP. Exposing your unborn child or small baby to that is not okay under any circumstances. I would never ever EVER try to justify it the way that several of my friends did with ?Oh, it was the ONLY thing that cured my morning sickness? or ?I have no appetite unless I smoke first? and ?Well, since I can?t take my antidepressants, it?s the only thing that calms me down? It?s selfish to use those excuses and makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.

wait a second here... i did quit, but they prescribe some pretty harsh drugs for morning sickness and depression. if marijuana really helps someone not have to take those, then i'm all for it, especially under the supervision of a dr. because there really is no evidence that pot causes any harm. especially for depression, since there was recently a study linking depression during pregnancy with teen aggression:

https://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=news&id=125700&cn=5

I don't understand why you are so adamant about proving that smoking weed while pregnant isn't bad.  Honestly.  I mean, I get you wanting to prove that in general, smoking weed isn't terrible/horrible/awful like the pearl clutchers think, but come on.  Why try to advocate that it isn't that bad while pregnant?  It just makes no sense at all to me.

 

babymomma0910

This is just the saddest thing I have ever heard. Why would a mother want to jeopardize her Childs life and future for her own pleasure. It is not all about you anymore so grow up. This child depends on you and you are here to protect not to destroy. Okay my rant is over.

I might look into another friend haha!

 

bstrangely

coshea1:

OMG...some actual commom sense! If there is no conclusive research/evidence to support the assumption that pot is not harmful to a fetus then why the hell would you take the chance? Does it really sound reasonable to refrain from eating lunch meat for 9 months and then turn around and smoke a joint?

actually, that is the really weird thing to me... i also gave up lunch meat and sushi, but there are a ton of threads here where some women will call you a nut if you take the listeria risk seriously.

wtf y'all?

PubStar09

FYI Strange-chick... maybe no one's died from the physical effects of marijuana, but I have first hand experience of people dying because they were stoned.  Someone I knew blew a stop sign and got t-boned by a semi... because he was high.  So yes, people die from pot.

bstrangely

melzer14:

you know...you're actually quite annoying. Half the *** you have been posting is in your view point....there are arguments for BOTH sides...how about you let it go and move onto give your useless opinion somewhere else.... 

We get your opinion...and your not changing anyones mind sooooo you can stop now 

 

oh zomg.

if you really have an argument for your side, then post it. don't just complain because someone else has actually bothered to look up something you don't agree with.

slc2b

kimandhuck:

bstrangely:

MrsBNDO:

bstrangely:

well, i quit cold turkey when i got my bfp, but i find it more disturbing that in texas, you can get 20 years for smoking once while pregnant. that's ridiculous. there is no evidence that it does anything... i would just imagine it restricts oxygen the same way cigarettes do (that's why i stopped), but no one would lock a pregnant woman up for 20 years for smoking a cigarette.

For smoking a cigarette?  I remember hearing that Texas made it a felony (2-20 years) for smoking marijuana while pregnant...and now cigarettes too?  Interesting. 

*facepalm

no... like i said, smoking marijuana is a felony charge, but no one would lock a woman up for 20 years for smoking a cigarette.

not even in texas. why is it better to sentence a kid to 20 years without a mother if she smokes a joint?

i'm seriously asking.

*facepalm

Because having marijuana in your possession is illegal. Wow. I didn't think it would be that hard to understand.

Not everywhere...

MamaNikita

i haven't read through this whole thread, but i did want to point out it's 4:20.

bstrangely

PubStar09:

FYI Strange-chick... maybe no one's died from the physical effects of marijuana, but I have first hand experience of people dying because they were stoned.  Someone I knew blew a stop sign and got t-boned by a semi... because he was high.  So yes, people die from pot.

um, yeah... that is not dying from pot, that is dying from being t-boned by a semi. 

also, i have not defended driving while intoxicated a single time. a good friend of ours was killed by a drunk doctor who fell asleep at the wheel and caused a head-on collision. the drunk walked away.

according to your view, alcohol saved his life. why? because drunks tend not to get injured in crashes because they're so limp.

seells

PubStar09:

FYI Strange-chick... maybe no one's died from the physical effects of marijuana, but I have first hand experience of people dying because they were stoned.  Someone I knew blew a stop sign and got t-boned by a semi... because he was high.  So yes, people die from pot.

I'm sorry about your friend but I'm betting to believe he ran stop signs even when he wasn't high. And it was his bad judgment of choosing to drive while he was stoned which killed him. The marijuana didn't make him drive, he chose that course of action on his own. Just like if he had been drinking. The alcohol didn't force the person to drive. It was there bad decision for driving while intoxicated. He should have made a better decision or payed more attention while he was driving.

S&V*A&F122009

 

"I am going to go with what I think is common sense here & say that if a substance impairs my ability to think/act... I don't need a study to tell me that it is something I should not be using while pregnant."

 

This 

 

Tassie06

kimandhuck:

bstrangely:

jess0884:

Wow. Unfortunately we see babies in the NICU with drugs in their little bodies. It's fine with the moms make that decision, but the baby has no choice. Seeing babies go through those withdraws is horrible and disturbing. If people only knew...

ok, seriously... what does weed do? have you ever really seen a baby have marijuana withdrawal?

So you think that because it's a baby, it can't have withdrawls, just like an adult would?! Please, don't ever smoke marijuana again, you've already killed too many brain cells.

You honestly think you have withdrawls from weed? really?? have you ever smoked weed?

chantellio

MamaNikita:

i haven't read through this whole thread, but i did want to point out it's 4:20.

nice 

laptopprancer

Is that what happened to your brows, emily?  Was the cognitive thinking portion of your brain damaged?

I'm sorry that's terrible.

bstrangely

zukolivie:

The statement above is what you don't seem to be getting. 

IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU ANYMORE.

look, genius, how many times do i have to say that i personally have quit?

additionally, how many times do i have to ask for evidence that it does ANYTHING to fetuses? that's all i've wanted. seriously, i quit because i'm not taking any chances. i quit lunchmeat and sushi too, even though people here will flame you as a weenie for taking listeria seriously. that happened when you asked about blue cheese a while back.

wtf?

RAA8886

I was just reading this article the other day, thought I would share:

https://pregnancy-blog.parentingweekly.com/2010/01/pot-smoking-during-pregnancy-may-stunt.html#links

 "For the new study, researchers in the Netherlands followed more than 7,000 pregnant women, 3 percent of whom acknowledged smoking marijuana at least during early pregnancy. They found that babies born to marijuana users tended to weigh less and have smaller heads than other infants.

What's more, the study found, the longer a woman had used marijuana during pregnancy, the stronger the impact on birth size - suggesting that the drug itself was to blame."

greener_beaner

1.   The fact that someone would even think of using drugs while pregnant is just crazy.

2.   The fact that someone else would even argue about this subject is absurd!

This is clearly why there is discussion about who should be allowed to have children and who should NOT!

bstrangely

melzer14:

WOW...you officially hurt my head. GIVE IT UP!! There is a little something called a drug test and i'm sure they did it to find out....common sense? Or do you lack that? 

yeah, and marijuana will stay in your system a lot longer, so you will test positive long after use.

unlike cocaine and meth, which disappear after about a day or so. this is why drug tests are so untrustworthy. seriously... are you unable to click on any links?

i'd especially like to call your attention to these parts:

"Many confounding factors may be recognized, such as the probability of polysubstance use and how this affects single-drug studies. Additionally, the fact that a mother has used an illicit drug (or even a legal substance such as alcohol or tobacco) intertwines with many other factors that can affect a child. Socioeconomic status, support systems, role of the father, lack of prenatal care, and the caregiving ability of the mother all play tremendous roles in child development."

and this:

"Marijuana withdrawal: For marijuana, a mild opiatelike withdrawal syndrome has been observed. Signs may include fine tremors, hyperacusis, and a prominent Moro reflex; however, these symptoms rarely require treatment."

note that it says nothing about seizures. not a thing. alcohol withdrawal is described as causing seizures.

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/978492-overview

but i do have to thank you guys, because i finally found a description of marijuana withdrawal. 

Tassie06

Serafeena:

Yes, smoking weed while pregnant is terrible choice.  But the misconceptions about marijuana as a drug are just silly.

Strongly Agreed!!!

I find it funny that those who know the least seem to speak the loudest!

bstrangely

astroMom:

bstrangely:

astroMom:

I don't have a study to cite, but my SIL who works at a hospital said she saw this tiny baby that was born 3 weeks early due to a pothead mom.  He was even tinier than most would be being "just" 3 weeks early.

wow, that's extremely scientific.

If a NICU doctor attributing marijuana to the child's issue is not scientific enough, then I guess we should all stop listening to our OBs advice, too.

uh, i don't discount nicu doctors... i do happily discount strangers on the internet relating information third hand. for all we know, the doctor was throwing out theories without any certainty. do you know how this doctor determined it was marijuana? was there any evidence or did he or she just guess?