TTC After a Loss

**July Waiting to O**

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Re: **July Waiting to O**

  • @reneeannemm The thing is the OPK can go back to - from being + and it's still possible you didn't O. If you kept testing the only way you would know that is if you tested and it went to - and then eventually back to + again.

    The OPK will eventually be - again once you O because LH surges only last for a short while. The reason you would get + after O is because the LH is still in your body and you might just have a longer surge.

    That being said, it's actually more important to pay attention to your FIRST + because once your body hits that level You should O within 12-36 hours. The continued positives after that just mean your LH is still elevated and hasn't gone down yet, which is why you could get a + post O.
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    Married: November 2015  <3
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  • Yes, thank you. I understand false surges and whatnot. At this point, I have no reason to believe that's what's happening, so I'll take another today and then continue, determining what relations schedule to follow based on my temp tomorrow. 

    I've been at this a long time now and don't particularly care if I know my exact O date, just that I have O'd and we hit some of the fertile days is fine. 
    Renee, 34 + Devon, 29 married 08/13 <3
    TTC  09/15
    *TW Loss mentioned*
    BFP 12/15/15 EDD: 08/26/16
    MMC discovered 1/25/16 at 9 +3
    TTCAL 3/2016
    Acupuncture 11/16
    Dx December 2016: unexplained 
    January 2017: 50 mg Clomid + TI =
    BFP #2 01/30/17  Please be a sticky baby!
    EDD: 10/15/17  Measuring ahead! 10/12/17 
    Ambrose born on his due date!

  • @reneeannemm they should start to fade after O, but some people get long LH surges so they get many positive OPKs. I don't usually keep testing after my positives (except for one time just to see that it is fading) but they should start to slowly fade just like they start to get darker before they become positive. So if for some reason your body attempted to O and you got positive OPKs but it didn't, since your not getting correct temps you might just think you ovulated when you haven't. You could continue to HIO and know that you're probably covered or you could keep using the OPKs to be sure you don't get another surge. 
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  • @reneeannemm Yeah most aren't usually false! So I would stop if I were you as well. 
    **Formerly @aliciabhen**
    Me: 26 DH: 24
    Married: November 2015  <3
    TTC#1: January 2016
    BFP: 5/02/16 - MC: 5/27/16
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  • @reneeannemm That can be so frustrating, but def keeping HIO for a while. 

    Here I am at CD 14 just whistlin' Dixie with not a positive OPK or temp shift in sight. Watch the month I decide to start using OPKs be annovulatory.
    Me: 32 DH: 36
    Married 5/08
    BFP #1: 1/27/13 DS #1 born 10/16/13
    BFP #2: 1/20/16, ectopic discovered 1/23/16
    Surgery 1/23/16 to remove ruptured tube
    TTCAL 3/16
    BFP #3: 3/24/17 EDD 12/5/17
    DS #2 born 12/11/17



  • It has faded and I'm pretty sure I'm ovulating as we speak, but we'll see in a few days I guess! The couple times it was positive after (later confirmed) O were much closer to my loss and my cycles were a lot more messed up than they appeared to be.
    Renee, 34 + Devon, 29 married 08/13 <3
    TTC  09/15
    *TW Loss mentioned*
    BFP 12/15/15 EDD: 08/26/16
    MMC discovered 1/25/16 at 9 +3
    TTCAL 3/2016
    Acupuncture 11/16
    Dx December 2016: unexplained 
    January 2017: 50 mg Clomid + TI =
    BFP #2 01/30/17  Please be a sticky baby!
    EDD: 10/15/17  Measuring ahead! 10/12/17 
    Ambrose born on his due date!

  • Sorry for the frustrations @reneeannemm

    My main concern is to be sure I've O'd also. Based on my temps I'm really not sure I did last cycle because my chart looks crap. I'm only CD15 tho so I'm doing my best to not get discouraged! 

    When you say your breasts typically hurt the entire TWW but didn't for your BFPs, that's what makes me worry that it's a "bad" sign lol And then google says tenderness in certain areas can mean anovulatory. BUT two cycles ago I had the same pain for the same amount of time with a definite temp shift to indicate ovulation, so AGAIN working at not getting discouraged!

    Okay questions tho: for those of you that wake up frequently in the night and/or have restless sleeps. When do you think is best to take your temp?? I try to take it the first time I wake up but sometimes that's at 2 or 3 or 4am. I had set my alarm for 5am to take my temp today but woke up at 345 so then thought temping at 5 after only an hour of sleep would be silly so turned off the alarm but woke up at 517 anyhow. Then again around 7 or something. The three temps were 97.9, 98, and 97.6. I can't remember exact order of the last two because sleepy brain. None of them would be high enough to indicate a temp shift tho, so I'm assuming in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter? I went with 97.9. But anyways. Do you think it's best to take it at the exact same time every morning (set an alarm regardless) or do you think it's best to take it after your longest chunk of sleep, even if it's stupid o'clock?  :D
  • @rainbowturtles I am a terrible sleep as well. I take mine after the best chunk of sleep, usually the first time I wake up and go with that. If I mentally calculate when my alarm is and how much sleep I have left and will that effect my temp, then i end up losing even more sleep. You can auto default the time in FF so it's not all empty circles and usually see a clear rise regardless 
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  • @rainbowturtles Generally, I take my first temp that's not me just waking up at 1 am or something. I will usually get up to pee between 5 am and 6am, so I'll take it then right before I go. On the odd occasion I don't, I might wake up at 8 am or something late for me, but my temps are still relatively clear.

    I don't set an alarm because I can't sleep if I set one, which messes up my temps way more than a couple hours difference.
    Renee, 34 + Devon, 29 married 08/13 <3
    TTC  09/15
    *TW Loss mentioned*
    BFP 12/15/15 EDD: 08/26/16
    MMC discovered 1/25/16 at 9 +3
    TTCAL 3/2016
    Acupuncture 11/16
    Dx December 2016: unexplained 
    January 2017: 50 mg Clomid + TI =
    BFP #2 01/30/17  Please be a sticky baby!
    EDD: 10/15/17  Measuring ahead! 10/12/17 
    Ambrose born on his due date!

  • Hey ladies - I've been away for a few days, but brought all my opks with me and poas all throughout our vacation!!

    Same thing as last month - very faint line every time i test. Never a dark positive. on CD 11/12 I felt like cm was very liquidy but opk line was faint (that would also be insanely early for me) . This is only second cycle after d&e. Things are different. I usually have ovulation pain and always have. I havent' had any. If I call the doctor to ask for help, what do I do? Do I have to call regular doc or just make an appt with an re, or just wait?
    I have waves of "being chill" about it, and other times I get into freak out mode. help.
    Me:35, DH 37  ~ Married July 2014
    ttc July 2015 ~ bfp Nov 2015 (cp)
    bfp Dec 2015 ~ (tfmr 17wk, March 2016, genetic disease)
    ttcal May 2016
  • Holy crap you guys I start Clomid tomorrow. So many mixed feelings about taking it. I'm happy that we have a plan moving forward and a potential solution. I'm terrified of potential side effects. I'm sad that it's come to this. I'm just all over the darn place today. 
    This is going to be the most anxiety provoking WTO I've had in, well, ever. 
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    Me: 26 DH: 28  
    TTC #1 since 06/2014
    BFP #1 09/23/15. MMC discovered 11/24/2015
    BFP #2 08/24/16 EDD 05/08/17


  • @rainbowturtles My normal temp time is 5:30. Whenever I wake up to use the bathroom because I don't know what time it is I just pop the thermometer in my mouth. If it's anytime after 3 I usually just use that one. If it's earlier I leave my temp alarm set and use my temp from my normal time. Sometimes it makes a big difference. For example two nights ago I woke up at 1am and had a 97.53, but when I woke up at 5:30 it was 97.16 (a drop big enough to indicate AF is coming). If I would have kept the first temp I wouldn't have seen that being my AF temp drop. My normal habit when I wake up a lot and things are all over the place is actually to use my lowest temP.
    **Formerly @aliciabhen**
    Me: 26 DH: 24
    Married: November 2015  <3
    TTC#1: January 2016
    BFP: 5/02/16 - MC: 5/27/16
    Computer Hope
  • I like that idea @AliciaGoose :) Might be tough to pick a time that'll work for when DH is in town since he has to get up at different times daily, but I'll figure something out.

    Well, I couldn't let you ladies have all the fun lol I went out and bought an actual BBT which will hopefully help some. I'm wondering if it will screw things up if I start with a new thermometer mid cycle tho so I'll probably keep using the other one for now but record the new thermometer temps as well in a note or something "for science" lol 
    And I grabbed a few OPKs from the dollar store so I could pee on something lol! Of course I tried right when I got home and it was negative. (I also snagged 5 HPTs for future use...)
    And lastly, I got some raspberry leaf tea for uterine health (are we sure this is a safe one??), and some green tea for hopefully better CM production next month! I was super stoked to find a tea with red raspberry leaves at my favorite tea store: David's Tea! I even found it by guess: I scanned the herbal tea names and asked to see "Mighty Aphrodite", as I figured if they had a "female health" tea, that would be the one and sure enough I was correct haha If anyone is interested I'll let you know the other ingredients and how it tastes ;) 

    Did I go a little overboard? Maybe, but whatever makes us feel good, right? In this process I think anything that makes us happy or brings us comfort (and is harmless) is a-okay in my books!
  • @rainbowturtles I didn't know David's Tea had a rrl tea?? I actually have dozens of teas in my cupboard but always use a plain rrl bag in with whatever kind I feel like having that day. What's in it? Their vanilla rooibos, green passionfruit and citron oolong are my favs. This cheers me up because I was literally just listening to The Cure like an 80s goth teenager and crying because I feel so completely broken and useless, but tea is always happy-making for me.
    Renee, 34 + Devon, 29 married 08/13 <3
    TTC  09/15
    *TW Loss mentioned*
    BFP 12/15/15 EDD: 08/26/16
    MMC discovered 1/25/16 at 9 +3
    TTCAL 3/2016
    Acupuncture 11/16
    Dx December 2016: unexplained 
    January 2017: 50 mg Clomid + TI =
    BFP #2 01/30/17  Please be a sticky baby!
    EDD: 10/15/17  Measuring ahead! 10/12/17 
    Ambrose born on his due date!

  • @rainbowturtles You're so right about doing anything we need to make us feel good during the process. TTCAL literally consumes my life. I think about it constantly, and when I'm not thinking about it actively it's still in the back of my mind. It's easy to lose yourself in it. And so much of the process is stressful and scary. When you can do things to make you feel happier and more secure you should absolutely go for it! I feel like that was just the PSA announcement I needed to go shopping and get ready for this cycle  ;)

    @reneeannemm Sorry you're feeling down  <3 Crying it out to the cure sounds like the perfect solution. 
    **Formerly @aliciabhen**
    Me: 26 DH: 24
    Married: November 2015  <3
    TTC#1: January 2016
    BFP: 5/02/16 - MC: 5/27/16
    Computer Hope
  • @reneeannemm I'm so happy it cheered you up because it cheered me up, too :) I was planning to just buy boxed rrl tea and add it to my tea, too, but then I'd have wondered about the quality, etc. So this one is an organic herbal called Mighty Aphrodite and even says "raspberry leaf is a girl's best friend, especially for soon to be moms" :) I do want to make sure it's safe for early pregnancy, too, though, and not just late pregnancy so I'm happy to run the ingredients by everyone.

    It contains: raspberry leaf, apple, lemon balm, rosehip, raspberry, and organic & natural flavouring

    I know lemon balm is another good herb but I'm going to look up rosehip to be sure.

    I got green Kashmiri chai and the last of their mint matcha as far as greens go, but ya, I'm basically a David's Tea addict, I just haven't been in a while lol
  • @rainbowturtles buying TTC supplies makes me feel ever so slightly in control of an uncontrollable process! 

    @reneeannemm hugs. 

    @roper2617 thinking of you and hoping for the best possible result so this is a one and done round!

    @AliciaGoose I feel you! I am on CD 4 and I feel like I made it over a hurdle and out of limbo. It feels so strange to be back int he habit of temping. And needing feminine supplies. It's sad, but a relief to be moving on to the next part of the journey.

    So I am officially the crazy lady who tweets at her insurance company when I get a flier in the mail that says "A little bird told us you're expecting..." Um. I miscarried over a month ago. You have sent me the explanation of benefits for my d&c...

    ...You think you're handling shit and then they sucker punch you in the ute. 
  • @Amdogger82 Oh man. I would be the crazy lady calling / tweeting / emailing and any other thing I could do to get ahold of them and tell them they messed up. It's horrific how many stories I've heard just like yours with insurance companies or doctors offices calling or otherwise contacting people who have had a miscarriage. Unreal!
    **Formerly @aliciabhen**
    Me: 26 DH: 24
    Married: November 2015  <3
    TTC#1: January 2016
    BFP: 5/02/16 - MC: 5/27/16
    Computer Hope
  • TaggarabTaggarab member
    edited July 2016
    @rainbowturtles Omg that GIF is so me right now too! CD 16 and flat temps and negative OPKs  :s

    ETA: guess I didn't log it, but yesterday and this mornings OPKs were still negative.




    Me: 32 DH: 36
    Married 5/08
    BFP #1: 1/27/13 DS #1 born 10/16/13
    BFP #2: 1/20/16, ectopic discovered 1/23/16
    Surgery 1/23/16 to remove ruptured tube
    TTCAL 3/16
    BFP #3: 3/24/17 EDD 12/5/17
    DS #2 born 12/11/17



  • Good luck @roper2617 ! It's exciting, but I understand why it's anxiety inducing, too.

    @Amdogger82 The midwives clinic invited me to their mama and baby picnic this past May. I sent such an angry email - I was already angry with them for basically abandoning me during the miscarriage - and did not receive a kind response. Keep track of these things ffs, obviously I'm not there right now having my weekly third trimester appointments. It sent me to a bad place. Hugs.

    @rainbowturtles Right?? Because I missed that temp, FF doesn't know what to do so I'm chanting internally rise higher and be clearer!!
    Renee, 34 + Devon, 29 married 08/13 <3
    TTC  09/15
    *TW Loss mentioned*
    BFP 12/15/15 EDD: 08/26/16
    MMC discovered 1/25/16 at 9 +3
    TTCAL 3/2016
    Acupuncture 11/16
    Dx December 2016: unexplained 
    January 2017: 50 mg Clomid + TI =
    BFP #2 01/30/17  Please be a sticky baby!
    EDD: 10/15/17  Measuring ahead! 10/12/17 
    Ambrose born on his due date!

  • @Amdogger82 - That stinks- Im so sorry! We don't need another reminder that we are not pg. ):

    I finally have EWCM on CD18 - woo hoo! Opk last night came back negative but I think these first response opks are garbage and now I am out of them. So I am just going to go with tentatively with Im ovulating. We have been HIO as much as we can so I guess that is all I can do anyway. I have been so stressed/ anxious about having anovulatory cycle so I was happy to have some EWCM last night at least its a sign that I am more than likely Oing. Will start temping next cycle so I know for certain.
  • Ya this is my chart. I'm not even sure about the "watery CM" because that one still confuses me but the EWCM is correct. Felt like it was either slippery or creamy last night when I went bathroom but I never turn the light on so couldn't tell and didn't feel up to investigating at stupid o'clock lol And I haven't bought VIP yet but my boobs have been sore for three days now, including today. I've had terrible sleeps but I don't think it should affect things THAT much. And I took my temp with both thermometers today and the new one was even lower lol So ya, I'm stumped and just hoping it happens at all, even if it means I'm out this month.

  • @rainbowturtles I'm impressed with how consistent your pre-O temps are! Mine always look so rocky. I also do things I shouldn't like sleep with different amounts of blankets on. And mouth breathe. And also it's an icebox in my room.

    Also as for the EWCM vs Watery. Watery to me just feels lubricative and is abundant and slippery. 

    @TScalei Yay for good CM! That should mean O is on the way. Keep HIO until it goes away! Fx for good timing.

    @Taggarab Three days of a flat temp is weird. If it keeps that up I might be inclined to think your BBT is favoring temps. What brand do you use? Fingers crossed for a + OPK and temp spike soon!

    The AF part of WTO is super boring. And WTO to begin with is stressful. I know the TWW makes you go BSC, but at least then it's exciting. This is just me sitting around going 'I REALLY hope this is a normal cycle and I O at a normal time and I don't get too stressed out'!
    **Formerly @aliciabhen**
    Me: 26 DH: 24
    Married: November 2015  <3
    TTC#1: January 2016
    BFP: 5/02/16 - MC: 5/27/16
    Computer Hope
  • @AliciaGoose that's what I thought last cycle so I got a new BBT thermometer and its still doing it so I guess it's right! I use the one from Target.
    Me: 32 DH: 36
    Married 5/08
    BFP #1: 1/27/13 DS #1 born 10/16/13
    BFP #2: 1/20/16, ectopic discovered 1/23/16
    Surgery 1/23/16 to remove ruptured tube
    TTCAL 3/16
    BFP #3: 3/24/17 EDD 12/5/17
    DS #2 born 12/11/17



  • @Taggarab I don't remember for sure but I think the target brand BBT is one of the ones people accuse of favoring temps! Was your last one target brand as well? Because that could be the issue!
    **Formerly @aliciabhen**
    Me: 26 DH: 24
    Married: November 2015  <3
    TTC#1: January 2016
    BFP: 5/02/16 - MC: 5/27/16
    Computer Hope
  • Sometimes I would compare old charts on FF and think there was something wrong with me because the highs and lows were so much more dramatic but I just realized after an afternoon spent down the rabbithole that I wasn't always converting to Celsius and my temps are fine. Also I'm p sure I'm 2 DPO so I'm gonna go to the right thread now.
    Renee, 34 + Devon, 29 married 08/13 <3
    TTC  09/15
    *TW Loss mentioned*
    BFP 12/15/15 EDD: 08/26/16
    MMC discovered 1/25/16 at 9 +3
    TTCAL 3/2016
    Acupuncture 11/16
    Dx December 2016: unexplained 
    January 2017: 50 mg Clomid + TI =
    BFP #2 01/30/17  Please be a sticky baby!
    EDD: 10/15/17  Measuring ahead! 10/12/17 
    Ambrose born on his due date!

  • @AliciaGoose what's weird is they weren't so consistent in the cycle where it was obvious I had O'd, so of course I think there's a problem lol 

    Really hoping I O/O'd but my boobs hurting already is definitely confusing. i shouldn't always jump to "SOMETHING IS WRONG!!!" but damn it's hard not to  :(
  • @AliciaGoose Is there one on Amazon you would recommend? DH tried to get me one and it was advertised as BBT and is was not. Only one decimal point so I was a little leary of buying one online
    Me: 32 DH: 36
    Married 5/08
    BFP #1: 1/27/13 DS #1 born 10/16/13
    BFP #2: 1/20/16, ectopic discovered 1/23/16
    Surgery 1/23/16 to remove ruptured tube
    TTCAL 3/16
    BFP #3: 3/24/17 EDD 12/5/17
    DS #2 born 12/11/17



  • Taggarab said:
    @AliciaGoose Is there one on Amazon you would recommend? DH tried to get me one and it was advertised as BBT and is was not. Only one decimal point so I was a little leary of buying one online
    @Taggarab The Mabis is the one most people I know use! I've never had an issue with it and it definitely doesn't favor temps. It's a true BBT that goes to two decimal places. It stores the most recent temp so you can look back at it if you go back to sleep after temping. It doesn't have a backlight though. Here's the link: 

    https://www.amazon.com/MABIS-Digital-Thermometer-Temperature-Planning/dp/B000O6YCZY/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1467928862&sr=8-1&keywords=Mabis+bbt
    **Formerly @aliciabhen**
    Me: 26 DH: 24
    Married: November 2015  <3
    TTC#1: January 2016
    BFP: 5/02/16 - MC: 5/27/16
    Computer Hope
  • Minor temp drop and I think positive OPK!


    Me: 32 DH: 36
    Married 5/08
    BFP #1: 1/27/13 DS #1 born 10/16/13
    BFP #2: 1/20/16, ectopic discovered 1/23/16
    Surgery 1/23/16 to remove ruptured tube
    TTCAL 3/16
    BFP #3: 3/24/17 EDD 12/5/17
    DS #2 born 12/11/17



  • @Taggarab Get it girl!!
    **Formerly @aliciabhen**
    Me: 26 DH: 24
    Married: November 2015  <3
    TTC#1: January 2016
    BFP: 5/02/16 - MC: 5/27/16
    Computer Hope
  • Okay, I think I'll pee on one more stick lol But based on my current symptoms I feel like I've already O'd (even tho no real temp shift) or it's an anovulatory cycle. I hope my new thermometer that is actually BBT will make things clearer next month and if not I might head to the doc with concerns that I've possibly stopped ovulating (because last cycle was strange, too)? I've read anovulatory cycles are more common in your 30s (I'm 34) and I only started temping three cycles ago so who knows if this is "normal" for me.

    Really hoping it's just a crap thermometer, tho!!!
  • @rainbowturtles I hope you are able to figure things out. I haven't been temping for too many cycles yet either so it can be hard. 

    Meanwhile, I am .02 up from my flat temps after a drop yesterday and OPKs were negative again today. Not sure if I am in the TWW now or not, but I guess I need to watch and see what happens the next few days. I really wish our bodies could give us straight answers with huge jumps  :|
    Me: 32 DH: 36
    Married 5/08
    BFP #1: 1/27/13 DS #1 born 10/16/13
    BFP #2: 1/20/16, ectopic discovered 1/23/16
    Surgery 1/23/16 to remove ruptured tube
    TTCAL 3/16
    BFP #3: 3/24/17 EDD 12/5/17
    DS #2 born 12/11/17



  • @rainbowturtles Hopefully it is the crap thermometer!

    @Taggarab Hopefully it keeps going up and you get crosshairs in a couple more days!
    **Formerly @aliciabhen**
    Me: 26 DH: 24
    Married: November 2015  <3
    TTC#1: January 2016
    BFP: 5/02/16 - MC: 5/27/16
    Computer Hope
  • @Taggarab I really wish the temps were more clear for both of us, too! It's so frustrating that my first cycle temping was so obvious and I was so excited! Now I'm so frustrated and way less excited about temping and just hoping there's nothing physically wrong  :(
  • @SoonToBeMommaHowe Yay for CHs! Those look solid based on those post O temps. It's annoying that you got a false + early on but at least the temps told you you hadn't O'd yet so you still got timing in FW!
    **Formerly @aliciabhen**
    Me: 26 DH: 24
    Married: November 2015  <3
    TTC#1: January 2016
    BFP: 5/02/16 - MC: 5/27/16
    Computer Hope
  • Well, we have decided to jump on it this month and TTC. CD 7, I will return from a work trip on the night of CD 10 and we will proceed to HIO every day until I ovulate. I'm excited to try, but scared to lose another baby, so I have to say that I don't think I will truly be excited until I'm at least 20 weeks with a healthy pregnancy. 
    Mommy of 3 little ones, 6 losses Lilypie Pregnancy tickers
  • Congrats on O @SoonToBeMommaHowe ! So happy for you!

    @CTRMommyof4 congrats on TTC this month! This is our first cycle NTNP and it doesn't feel real yet and I'm both excited and scared to be excited <3

    Again, I don't want to get too excited or jinx it lol But if I have another high temp tomorrow then I might have a slow rise on my hands :)
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