Vaccines

Kbalas1018

wherewordsfail said:

Pharmaceutical companies actually make very little off of vaccinations as compared to other drugs. Vaccinations are only 2-3% of what they make money on and if you use logic here, you'd also realize that pharmaceutical companies would make WAY MORE money if we got sick and stayed sick rather than giving us a drug preventing that.

But again, I don't think anyone here (no matter how much actual, scientific fact we spit at you) is going to change your mind. That's a good thing actually. Mothers doubt themselves a lot, and it's great that you don't.

It's too bad it comes at such a cost to other people.

Hmmm the funny thing is... I'm 25 and haven't been vaccinated for atleast 20 years. I work with the public every day and get sick less than all the vaccinated people I work with. Maybe that's a coincidence but vaccines don't bring health. And what would you do if your child just so happened to be the one that had a bad reaction? There's not a lot you can do to stop a vaccine reaction. There's a lot more you can do to stop an illness. Medicine is useful but I don't think it should be solely relied upon for livelihood.

Kbalas1018

magnumJ said:

Kbalas1018 said:

magnumJ said:

Kbalas1018 said:

And truthfully the food we eat has a ton to do with our immune systems being so bad. I wish all of you would try to understand where I'm coming from rather than rip me to pieces because I'm not following the herd.
My goal is not to put anyone else at risk or my own child. I just think there is more to it than what we're being fed by this billion dollar industry. I am passionate as well and I am confident in who I am and the decisions I make. Who knows... Maybe I'll even homeschool

Cool story. You're still putting others at risk and it's selfish.

What's selfish is forcing chemicals into your child when they can't do anything about it. I know tons of unvaccinated people and none of them have caused any harm to society.

No, no it's not. I know tons of vaccinated people who have caused no harm to society. What is your logic here?

You might be happier on another site.

You say no a lot with nothing to back it up. You saying "no" means nothing to me. And I can use this site without discussing with any of you.
My logic is that none of them have gotten deadly diseases and passed them to anyone. I consider that logic... Fact actually.

kayjay44

Your logic is so poorly construed, I can't even.

And my brother did have a very bad reaction. He never received that vaccination again and relied on herd immunity to protect him. He was still vaccinated for everything else.

Kbalas1018

Why don't you all consult a homeopathic doctor... Just for information. They are very successful.

Everycol0r

Kbalas1018 said:

wherewordsfail said:

Pharmaceutical companies actually make very little off of vaccinations as compared to other drugs. Vaccinations are only 2-3% of what they make money on and if you use logic here, you'd also realize that pharmaceutical companies would make WAY MORE money if we got sick and stayed sick rather than giving us a drug preventing that.

But again, I don't think anyone here (no matter how much actual, scientific fact we spit at you) is going to change your mind. That's a good thing actually. Mothers doubt themselves a lot, and it's great that you don't.

It's too bad it comes at such a cost to other people.

Hmmm the funny thing is... I'm 25 and haven't been vaccinated for atleast 20 years. I work with the public every day and get sick less than all the vaccinated people I work with. Maybe that's a coincidence but vaccines don't bring health. And what would you do if your child just so happened to be the one that had a bad reaction? There's not a lot you can do to stop a vaccine reaction. There's a lot more you can do to stop an illness. Medicine is useful but I don't think it should be solely relied upon for livelihood.

Uh, so you've already got the majority of your vaccinations if you stopped getting them after age 5.

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

Why don't you all consult a homeopathic doctor... Just for information. They are very successful.

No thanks. I've seen the damage they can do first hand.

If it works for you, great.

Kbalas1018

Everycol0r said:

Kbalas1018 said:

wherewordsfail said:

Pharmaceutical companies actually make very little off of vaccinations as compared to other drugs. Vaccinations are only 2-3% of what they make money on and if you use logic here, you'd also realize that pharmaceutical companies would make WAY MORE money if we got sick and stayed sick rather than giving us a drug preventing that.

But again, I don't think anyone here (no matter how much actual, scientific fact we spit at you) is going to change your mind. That's a good thing actually. Mothers doubt themselves a lot, and it's great that you don't.

It's too bad it comes at such a cost to other people.

Hmmm the funny thing is... I'm 25 and haven't been vaccinated for atleast 20 years. I work with the public every day and get sick less than all the vaccinated people I work with. Maybe that's a coincidence but vaccines don't bring health. And what would you do if your child just so happened to be the one that had a bad reaction? There's not a lot you can do to stop a vaccine reaction. There's a lot more you can do to stop an illness. Medicine is useful but I don't think it should be solely relied upon for livelihood.

Uh, so you've already got the majority of your vaccinations if you stopped getting them after age 5.

I said that was the last time I had one but I didn't have all of them.

Everycol0r

Kbalas1018 said:

Everycol0r said:

Kbalas1018 said:

wherewordsfail said:

Pharmaceutical companies actually make very little off of vaccinations as compared to other drugs. Vaccinations are only 2-3% of what they make money on and if you use logic here, you'd also realize that pharmaceutical companies would make WAY MORE money if we got sick and stayed sick rather than giving us a drug preventing that.

But again, I don't think anyone here (no matter how much actual, scientific fact we spit at you) is going to change your mind. That's a good thing actually. Mothers doubt themselves a lot, and it's great that you don't.

It's too bad it comes at such a cost to other people.

Hmmm the funny thing is... I'm 25 and haven't been vaccinated for atleast 20 years. I work with the public every day and get sick less than all the vaccinated people I work with. Maybe that's a coincidence but vaccines don't bring health. And what would you do if your child just so happened to be the one that had a bad reaction? There's not a lot you can do to stop a vaccine reaction. There's a lot more you can do to stop an illness. Medicine is useful but I don't think it should be solely relied upon for livelihood.

Uh, so you've already got the majority of your vaccinations if you stopped getting them after age 5.

I said that was the last time I had one but I didn't have all of them.

It still stands to reason that you've had vaccinations. Which is a head start you are denying your child. Vaccines today are much safer & more pure than 20 years ago.

HBirdie

Kbalas1018 said:

wherewordsfail said:

Pharmaceutical companies actually make very little off of vaccinations as compared to other drugs. Vaccinations are only 2-3% of what they make money on and if you use logic here, you'd also realize that pharmaceutical companies would make WAY MORE money if we got sick and stayed sick rather than giving us a drug preventing that.

But again, I don't think anyone here (no matter how much actual, scientific fact we spit at you) is going to change your mind. That's a good thing actually. Mothers doubt themselves a lot, and it's great that you don't.

It's too bad it comes at such a cost to other people.

Hmmm the funny thing is... I'm 25 and haven't been vaccinated for atleast 20 years. I work with the public every day and get sick less than all the vaccinated people I work with. Maybe that's a coincidence but vaccines don't bring health. And what would you do if your child just so happened to be the one that had a bad reaction? There's not a lot you can do to stop a vaccine reaction. There's a lot more you can do to stop an illness. Medicine is useful but I don't think it should be solely relied upon for livelihood.

1. If you work with the public (especially if they're sick or have fragile health), it's irresponsible for you to be unvaccinated.

2. It sounds like you're talking about routines illnesses that you're avoiding. Yay! Good for you. You don't catch the sniffles. We're talking about life threatening diseases that literally kill people.

3. Ever heard of herd immunity? That's why you aren't catching these deadly diseases. You're surrounded by vaccinated people that are protecting you. The problem is that as more and more people get their medical degree from Dr. Google and decide that their special little ones are above vaccinations, herd immunity goes down. Then people get sick. That's how it works.

Kbalas1018

magnumJ said:

Your logic is so poorly construed, I can't even.

And my brother did have a very bad reaction. He never received that vaccination again and relied on herd immunity to protect him. He was still vaccinated for everything else.

Oh you "can't even"? I think your inability to have a conversation without bashing someone shows just how foolish you are. You can be passionate about what you believe without treating others so poorly. Maybe if you spoke with some respect and dignity I would be willing to consider anything you say.

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

magnumJ said:

Your logic is so poorly construed, I can't even.

And my brother did have a very bad reaction. He never received that vaccination again and relied on herd immunity to protect him. He was still vaccinated for everything else.

Oh you "can't even"? I think your inability to have a conversation without bashing someone shows just how foolish you are. You can be passionate about what you believe without treating others so poorly. Maybe if you spoke with some respect and dignity I would be willing to consider anything you say.

Pot, meet kettle.

"I can't even" because this is like dealing with a brick wall. You can't prove anything you are saying and no one has supported your view.

Opinions can be wrong. Your opinion is wrong due to the logic you have presented. Get over it.

Arjk9718

There are people in other countries that would love these vaccines... And some people are turning them away... Just think if your child(ren) ever want to go to school or college they need some vaccines as a requirement. I am all for PRO CHOICE but they are your decisions, big decisions.

firebaby688

Polio seems like a cool disease. Why not bring it back?

Kbalas1018

HBirdie said:

Kbalas1018 said:

wherewordsfail said:

Pharmaceutical companies actually make very little off of vaccinations as compared to other drugs. Vaccinations are only 2-3% of what they make money on and if you use logic here, you'd also realize that pharmaceutical companies would make WAY MORE money if we got sick and stayed sick rather than giving us a drug preventing that.

But again, I don't think anyone here (no matter how much actual, scientific fact we spit at you) is going to change your mind. That's a good thing actually. Mothers doubt themselves a lot, and it's great that you don't.

It's too bad it comes at such a cost to other people.

Hmmm the funny thing is... I'm 25 and haven't been vaccinated for atleast 20 years. I work with the public every day and get sick less than all the vaccinated people I work with. Maybe that's a coincidence but vaccines don't bring health. And what would you do if your child just so happened to be the one that had a bad reaction? There's not a lot you can do to stop a vaccine reaction. There's a lot more you can do to stop an illness. Medicine is useful but I don't think it should be solely relied upon for livelihood.

1. If you work with the public (especially if they're sick or have fragile health), it's irresponsible for you to be unvaccinated.

2. It sounds like you're talking about routines illnesses that you're avoiding. Yay! Good for you. You don't catch the sniffles. We're talking about life threatening diseases that literally kill people.

3. Ever heard of herd immunity? That's why you aren't catching these deadly diseases. You're surrounded by vaccinated people that are protecting you. The problem is that as more and more people get their medical degree from Dr. Google and decide that their special little ones are above vaccinations, herd immunity goes down. Then people get sick. That's how it works.

I don't intentionally work with anyone who is sick or in poor health. I work with technology... Deal with customers daily and we all know people take their devices into the most private places with them, meaning the things that I touch are covered in people's germs. My company helps nearly 100,000,000 people so I come across a lot.
I just make sure that I am always washing my hands and taking good vitamins to help keep my immune system up. I know people who are vaccinated that have gotten terribly sick and I know those who aren't vaccinated who have gotten sick.
Do I read articles on Google? Yes... But I have also talked to the people vaccines have effected. If any of you would acknowledge the fact that vaccines CAN be dangerous I might listen to your opposing opinions about absolutely needing to get them. Since there have been so many rude and hateful comments without any regard for the fact that there are thousands of people who have been severely effected by vaccines, some of them who have died or will never recover, I find it hard to be open to what you have to say because you avoid the other side of the truth about vaccines. I'm not making up stories... I would have no reason to. What could I possibly gain from questioning this?

Kbalas1018

I also just think a little teeny newborn is just too young to be vaccinated. Even if you choose to wait or spread them out like others have stated... Is possibly better than giving the little babies these vaccinations right when they are born.

kayjay44

Sure, anything you put into your body can be dangerous. You want to know what is more dangerous? All of the diseases vaccines prevent. Pick up a damn history book FFS.

HBirdie

Kbalas1018 said: Pharmaceutical companies actually make very little off of vaccinations as compared to other drugs. Vaccinations are only 2-3% of what they make money on and if you use logic here, you'd also realize that pharmaceutical companies would make WAY MORE money if we got sick and stayed sick rather than giving us a drug preventing that. But again, I don't think anyone here (no matter how much actual, scientific fact we spit at you) is going to change your mind. That's a good thing actually. Mothers doubt themselves a lot, and it's great that you don't. It's too bad it comes at such a cost to other people. Hmmm the funny thing is... I'm 25 and haven't been vaccinated for atleast 20 years. I work with the public every day and get sick less than all the vaccinated people I work with. Maybe that's a coincidence but vaccines don't bring health. And what would you do if your child just so happened to be the one that had a bad reaction? There's not a lot you can do to stop a vaccine reaction. There's a lot more you can do to stop an illness. Medicine is useful but I don't think it should be solely relied upon for livelihood. 1. If you work with the public (especially if they're sick or have fragile health), it's irresponsible for you to be unvaccinated. 2. It sounds like you're talking about routines illnesses that you're avoiding. Yay! Good for you. You don't catch the sniffles. We're talking about life threatening diseases that literally kill people. 3. Ever heard of herd immunity? That's why you aren't catching these deadly diseases. You're surrounded by vaccinated people that are protecting you. The problem is that as more and more people get their medical degree from Dr. Google and decide that their special little ones are above vaccinations, herd immunity goes down. Then people get sick. That's how it works. I don't intentionally work with anyone who is sick or in poor health. I work with technology... Deal with customers daily and we all know people take their devices into the most private places with them, meaning the things that I touch are covered in people's germs. My company helps nearly 100,000,000 people so I come across a lot. I just make sure that I am always washing my hands and taking good vitamins to help keep my immune system up. I know people who are vaccinated that have gotten terribly sick and I know those who aren't vaccinated who have gotten sick. Do I read articles on Google? Yes... But I have also talked to the people vaccines have effected. If any of you would acknowledge the fact that vaccines CAN be dangerous I might listen to your opposing opinions about absolutely needing to get them. Since there have been so many rude and hateful comments without any regard for the fact that there are thousands of people who have been severely effected by vaccines, some of them who have died or will never recover, I find it hard to be open to what you have to say because you avoid the other side of the truth about vaccines. I'm not making up stories... I would have no reason to. What could I possibly gain from questioning this? ---------------------------------------------
 
Did you miss my first reply to this discussion? Of course *some* people have adverse reactions to vaccines. No medical intervention or drug is 100% safe. You're the one ignoring the fact that despite the risk that we all knowingly face, vaccinating is safer than not vaccinating. Adverse events happen, kids sometimes get sick from vaccines. But not nearly as often as you are making it seem. 

I'm still waiting for you to post some peer-reviewed, unbiased, scientific studies backing up your claims. Others who oppose you have done it, but you can't seem to. No one here agrees with you. Why do you think that is?

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BabySeaTurtles

You can be holistic and go to a homeopathic doctor. That's not hurting anybody.  But when you tell people to not utilize vaccines, you're endangering public health.  

If YOU mixed mercury, aluminum phosphate, ammonium sulfate, formaldehyde and viruses and injected it into someone, you'd kill someone because you have no pharmacological experience.  If someone in a lab mixed those together, they know how they work, they have medically assess and peer reviewed evidence and strict guidelines to follow to create a safe and effective product.  Why are all these substances legal if they are so harmful?!  Because they they know what they're doing.

You and people like yourself are single-handedly responsible for the skyrocketing resurgence of deaths caused by TB, measles and the worrying prospect of smallpox returning. (There was a HUGE measles outbreak here in Florida because all the unvaccinated people came to Disney World and spread it amongst themselves and to the immuno-suppressed). 

HBirdie

I don't intentionally work with anyone who is sick or in poor health. I work with technology... Deal with customers daily and we all know people take their devices into the most private places with them, meaning the things that I touch are covered in people's germs. My company helps nearly 100,000,000 people so I come across a lot. I just make sure that I am always washing my hands and taking good vitamins to help keep my immune system up. I know people who are vaccinated that have gotten terribly sick and I know those who aren't vaccinated who have gotten sick. Do I read articles on Google? Yes... But I have also talked to the people vaccines have effected. If any of you would acknowledge the fact that vaccines CAN be dangerous I might listen to your opposing opinions about absolutely needing to get them. Since there have been so many rude and hateful comments without any regard for the fact that there are thousands of people who have been severely effected by vaccines, some of them who have died or will never recover, I find it hard to be open to what you have to say because you avoid the other side of the truth about vaccines. I'm not making up stories... I would have no reason to. What could I possibly gain from questioning this?

Forgot to respond to the first part of your comment- I'm glad you don't work with sick people. The way you kept talking about working with the public and being exposed to all sorts of things made it sound like you worked in the healthcare field.

strlitemiss

I can't take anyone seriously who says doctors don't know health. I am pretty sure they do.

kayjay44

What @HBirdie said.

Thankfully, I think most healthcare jobs require you to be vaccinated and to offer proof. But all of those people know nothing.

inomniaparatus

Kbalas1018 said:

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/29/vaccine-adjuvants-brain-effects.aspx

You did not just quote Mercola - dumbest thing ever - do real research

kayjay44

@inomniaparatus - You mean Google isn't research?!?!?

Kbalas1018

https://progress.umb.edu.pl/sites/progress.umb.edu.pl/files/129-141 Sienkiewicz.pdf

Here is an actual scholarly article for you.

g8trkim

Kbalas1018 said:

I also just think a little teeny newborn is just too young to be vaccinated. Even if you choose to wait or spread them out like others have stated... Is possibly better than giving the little babies these vaccinations right when they are born.

I suggest you look at a vaccination schedule. Vaccines are spread out over years not pumped into babies when they are born. These babies rely on a society who is vaccinated so they aren't or at risk. You clearly have not looked at both sides of this debate. Please, please educate yourself for the sake of your unborn child.

anamilia

I'm just looking for clarification -

You have mentioned multiple times that you know people who are vaccinated who have gotten sick? Have they gotten sick with what they are vaccinated against? For example have they gotten mumps? or measles?

Also, if you stopped getting vaccinated at 5 years old, you probably have most vaccinations. 

Also, I know you probably were looking for support and haven't found any. I personally completely disagree with you, but I have family that are major anti-vaxxers - PM me if you would like more info.

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

https://progress.umb.edu.pl/sites/progress.umb.edu.pl/files/129-141 Sienkiewicz.pdf

Here is an actual scholarly article for you.

Maybe you should actually read the whole thing.

It doesn't prove anything. They even talk about what must be done to do that (as they didn't do that here). No causation exists. It's also a study in Poland; they may have a very different approach.

BabySeaTurtles

Let's break this down and give you some education:

Mercury is an element in the compound thiomersal which is part of many vaccines. It has claimed NO tangible evidence other than correlation that thiomersal cause autism. This has been investigated thoroughly an no causal link has been found.

Aluminum phosphate is an aluminum salt which is used as an adjuvant in vaccines. This means that it causes an immune response to be stronger, so the immune system comes in contact with the virus more, so that is can recognize the antigens of the virus and provide immunity.  This is a necessary part of the vaccine if you want it to work.

Ammonium sulfate is used in the process of purifying proteins in the synthesis of a vaccine. It is also found in bread and flour, so you'd better learn to enjoy only rice if you want to avoid this particular substance.

Formaldehyde is used in the treatment and purification of vaccines and stops contamination.  THIS IS REMOVED before the vaccines are shipped. 

You have no actual idea how these vaccines work.  All you have is some vague knowledge that mercury used to make people mad, formaldehyde is used in embalming and that ammonium sulfate and aluminum phosphate sound scary. If you don't have formal education in biology (or anything related) that you don't get to have a so called "educated opinion" 

Everycol0r

I couldn't find the entire thing together but found all the parts.

spaceykatie

Kbalas1018 said:

I was making a comment about hormones (as a joke) due to the bitchyness not passion... There's a difference. And medical journals will of course only focus on medicine so any homeopathic regimens that DO work will not even be considered. I am listening to all of you but it's hard to listen to anyone who speaks so rudely. I have not bashed anyone. It is my RIGHT to question anything I put into my own body or my child's. And all of you should understand my desire to make a good decision. There is truth and lies to both sides and I find it hard to trust anything that is making billions off of my decision. You are all right that I can do better on my sources... There are plenty.

If you don't trust anything making billions off your decision, you shouldn't trust homeopathy. Alternative medicine is a 34 billion dollar industry. With lobbyists.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/alternative-medicine-is-a-34-billion-industry-but-only-one-third-of-the-treatments-have-been-tested-879411/

Kbalas1018

https://youtu.be/Zmi4j2euOZk

Around 7:40 he starts with the facts from medical journals.

BabySeaTurtles

Everycol0r said:

I couldn't find the entire thing together but found all the parts.

That's what I was quoting!!!! I'm so glad you found that!!

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

https://youtu.be/Zmi4j2euOZk

Around 7:40 he starts with the facts from medical journals.

This is a secondary source. Find the primary source.

Kbalas1018

magnumJ said:

Kbalas1018 said:

https://youtu.be/Zmi4j2euOZk

Around 7:40 he starts with the facts from medical journals.

This is a secondary source. Find the primary source.

He puts the sources there. You can read.

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

magnumJ said:

Kbalas1018 said:

https://youtu.be/Zmi4j2euOZk

Around 7:40 he starts with the facts from medical journals.

This is a secondary source. Find the primary source.

He puts the sources there. You can read.

Rude much?

I can already tell this is a biased joke and you're just using Google to back your delusions.

Have fun with your unvaccinated kid. Hopefully those around you are smarter and chose to vaccinate.

HBirdie

Kbalas1018

magnumJ said:

Kbalas1018 said:

magnumJ said:

Kbalas1018 said:

https://youtu.be/Zmi4j2euOZk

Around 7:40 he starts with the facts from medical journals.

This is a secondary source. Find the primary source.

He puts the sources there. You can read.

Rude much?

I can already tell this is a biased joke and you're just using Google to back your delusions.

Have fun with your unvaccinated kid. Hopefully those around you are smarter and chose to vaccinate.

I'm saying you can read the sources he listed. It's not a joke just because it differs from what you want to believe.

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

magnumJ said:

Kbalas1018 said:

magnumJ said:

Kbalas1018 said:

https://youtu.be/Zmi4j2euOZk

Around 7:40 he starts with the facts from medical journals.

This is a secondary source. Find the primary source.

He puts the sources there. You can read.

Rude much?

I can already tell this is a biased joke and you're just using Google to back your delusions.

Have fun with your unvaccinated kid. Hopefully those around you are smarter and chose to vaccinate.

I'm saying you can read the sources he listed. It's not a joke just because it differs from what you want to believe.

You're right. What makes it a joke is the fact it comes from a biased source and is therefore not credible. I guess I should have been more clear. My opinion in no way is capable of making something a joke. Sorry if I implied otherwise.

Kbalas1018

magnumJ said:

Kbalas1018 said:

magnumJ said:

Kbalas1018 said:

magnumJ said:

Kbalas1018 said:

https://youtu.be/Zmi4j2euOZk

Around 7:40 he starts with the facts from medical journals.

This is a secondary source. Find the primary source.

He puts the sources there. You can read.

Rude much?

I can already tell this is a biased joke and you're just using Google to back your delusions.

Have fun with your unvaccinated kid. Hopefully those around you are smarter and chose to vaccinate.

I'm saying you can read the sources he listed. It's not a joke just because it differs from what you want to believe.

You're right. What makes it a joke is the fact it comes from a biased source and is therefore not credible. I guess I should have been more clear. My opinion in no way is capable of making something a joke. Sorry if I implied otherwise.

Once you see these facts it's hard not to become biased. Why are you so against people who are genuine in their pursuit to try and save lives a different way? We NEED to know these things. Ignoring them doesn't make it go away. And yes maybe it doesn't happen to every single person but you never know who it will happen to and there have been plenty of studies and cases where it happened and raised a red flag. So choose not to believe it. Even though your brother had a reaction... What if it would have killed him? I'm sure you wouldn't still be standing on the side you are now. You should feel blessed that he is now okay and be open to the fact that others want to keep that from happening to their own family.

Kbalas1018

I really am done arguing. I will continue to do research and I hope you all do the same. I also pray none of your children have a bad reaction OR get any of the mentioned diseases.