Vaccines

Kbalas1018

Anyone else not planning to vaccinate? I feel very strongly that it isn't healthy to inject so many chemicals into anyone especially newborns. There are more and more studies and articles coming out about them and I can't shake the feeling that vaccines just are not good like they are advertised to be. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

kayjay44

This topic isn't going to go over well here.

cantobean

NOPE.

Find a scholarly article in a scientific journal that points to a correlation of vaccines with any health problems, and hasn't since been disproven. The scientific community is clear on this issue: vaccines save lives.

I hate to sound rude, but if you choose not to vaccinate your child, you will not only put your own child at risk (of diseases we have previously obliterated and are now coming back thanks to anti-vaxxers), you put us all at risk. Look up "herd immunity". Some children physically cannot get vaccines because of health problems, and when healthy kids go without them just because, those kids face a much higher risk.

I feel very strongly about this issue. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but know that this choice can affect not only your life and your child's, but the lives of many, many other people.

FreshBakedBrownies

This is a very controversial subject. But I'm very pro vaccine. I want my baby protected from diseases that are potentially fatal to newborns. We went through a measles outbreak here in Chicago this past fall. Whooping cough outbreaks were occurring around the time my son was born in 2012 since people weren't regularly vaccinating anymore.

kayjay44

cantobean said:

NOPE. Find a scholarly article in a scientific journal that points to a correlation of vaccines with any health problems, and hasn't since been disproven. The scientific community is clear on this issue: vaccines save lives. I hate to sound rude, but if you choose not to vaccinate your child, you will not only put your own child at risk (of diseases we have previously obliterated and are now coming back thanks to anti-vaxxers), you put us all at risk. Look up "herd immunity". Some children physically cannot get vaccines because of health problems, and when healthy kids go without them just because, those kids face a much higher risk. I feel very strongly about this issue. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but know that this choice can affect not only your life and your child's, but the lives of many, many other people.

Agreed. I'm just in too much of a bitchy mood to be nice today.

Many of the studies the OP refers to were actually paid for by anti-vaxxers.

purplepenguin3

Yeah....so why are we talking about this subject?  Do we just want to start drama this early?  

kayjay44

purplepenguin3 said:

Yeah....so why are we talking about this subject?  Do we just want to start drama this early?  

Because people think this is BabyCenter.

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

Anyone else not planning to vaccinate? I feel very strongly that it isn't healthy to inject so many chemicals into anyone especially newborns. There are more and more studies and articles coming out about them and I can't shake the feeling that vaccines just are not good like they are advertised to be. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

QFP.

bredoll

Hubby is a chemical scientist, our kids will be getting vaccinated. 

bookqueen

Pro-vaccine.

mamaek

Vaccines for everyone!

E3A7AGGIE

We vaccinate. I disagree strongly with those who do not. 

Kbalas1018

Not here to start drama... You can state your opinion without being rude and I could accuse you of many things as well but it isn't necessary. We all have our own (strong) opinions. I haven't been vaccinated since I was very very young and I get sick less often than my friends who thrive on vaccinations (I also work personally with public every single day so I am definitely opened up to what is out there.) I think we all have our baby's best interest at heart and want to do what is best. I'd rather know everything about what I am injecting into my child rather than do it blindly and regret the possibly fatal mistake. I don't care what you say about vaccines not causing deaths or severe reactions... they HAVE. So I want to be careful. My siblings haven't vaccinated their children either and well... Everyone is just fine. Vaccines are actually changing our genetic code. I understand other parents intent behind wanting to vaccinate their children but I think it would do you a lot of good to know exactly what that means.

Kbalas1018

And as far as me posting this... I guess I hoped all of you were just really nice people that could have discussions without being rude. Maybe it's just your hormones

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

Not here to start drama... You can state your opinion without being rude and I could accuse you of many things as well but it isn't necessary. We all have our own (strong) opinions. I haven't been vaccinated since I was very very young and I get sick less often than my friends who thrive on vaccinations (I also work personally with public every single day so I am definitely opened up to what is out there.) I think we all have our baby's best interest at heart and want to do what is best. I'd rather know everything about what I am injecting into my child rather than do it blindly and regret the possibly fatal mistake. I don't care what you say about vaccines not causing deaths or severe reactions... they HAVE. So I want to be careful. My siblings haven't vaccinated their children either and well... Everyone is just fine. Vaccines are actually changing our genetic code. I understand other parents intent behind wanting to vaccinate their children but I think it would do you a lot of good to know exactly what that means.

QFP. This is one of those many topics that is very heated.

I do know exactly what it means to vaccinate my children. Please don't imply that I don't. It is rude and uncalled for.

I have two friends, for example, whose sons cannot be vaccinated due to severe heart defects (one has received a new heart, the other is awaiting one). It's selfish for me to put those children at risk when there is no proof of anything you claim either (allergies are real, but it's usually an allergy to a component, like eggs). If you have proof, feel free to post it here.

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

And as far as me posting this... I guess I hoped all of you were just really nice people that could have discussions without being rude. Maybe it's just your hormones

No. Just no.

If you knew anything about vaccines, you'd know how heated this debate is.

Kbalas1018

I do know that it can get heated. I've had many conversations with people in the past but they weren't pregnant mothers discussing what to do for their babies. We have the choice in how we respond.

MrsJG3

This is one mom debate I have strong opinions on. Your poor choices impact the health of my children. I have yet to see a VALID study that proves vax are harmful.

Take that crazy talk somewhere else.

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

I do know that it can get heated. I've had many conversations with people in the past but they weren't pregnant mothers discussing what to do for their babies. We have the choice in how we respond.

We also have a choice in what we post, knowing that something is just going to stir up shit. You brought this here. I said it wouldn't go well and it didn't. We're not at fault here.

Kbalas1018

Look up "Dr.Tenpenny on Vaccines" on Facebook. There is a lot of information on her page. I've been studying vaccines for a long time because I too want to make an informed decision. This isn't me just wanting to go against the grain. I truly believe injecting ourselves or our children with Mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde etc. isn't something that should be done just because everyone else is doing it. And there are plenty of doctors who agree with me.

Kbalas1018

I'm fine with you not agreeing with me. I expected to have many opinions. I'm not upset... Just talking.

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

Look up "Dr.Tenpenny on Vaccines" on Facebook. There is a lot of information on her page. I've been studying vaccines for a long time because I too want to make an informed decision. This isn't me just wanting to go against the grain. I truly believe injecting ourselves or our children with Mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde etc. isn't something that should be done just because everyone else is doing it. And there are plenty of doctors who agree with me.

Uh, Dr. Tenpenny is considered a quack. Maybe you should do some more research.

https://scienceblogs.com/whitecoatunderground/2009/12/30/damned-lies-and-idiots/

ETA: there are about a million links that say the same.

Kbalas1018

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/29/vaccine-adjuvants-brain-effects.aspx

wherewordsfail

My dad was diagnosed with cancer when I was in 6th grade. His treatment involved immunosuppressant drugs, which meant that if I caught any of the diseases vaccinations protect against (or even the flu!) and passed it onto my father - HE WOULD HAVE DIED.

Now imagine there are a lot of people out in the world like that - medically fragile, immunosuppressed, elderly (spoiler alert: THERE ARE) - and you pass a disease to someone and THEY DIE.

Is it really worth that? Especially given that all of these aforementioned "studies" have been disproven a million times over by REAL science?

Also, as someone who was vaccinated with everything under the sun to protect my father, I'm actually healthier than a horse. I'm rarely sick. Have no allergies to anything. And you better believe, I'm vaccinating my child.

CuriousKiddosMama

Vaccines are changing our genetic code? Wtf?!?

My kids will all be fully immunized against everything, unless for some reason they can't be. I'm going to do my part to contribute to herd immunity for those who can't.

Seriously, these are diseases that can kill your kid. And yet because of quack scientists we have more occurrences of these diseases than in some 3rd world countries where they are all immunized. How backwards is that?

Kbalas1018

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/24/recently-vaccinated-individuals-spread-disease.aspx

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/29/vaccine-adjuvants-brain-effects.aspx

This just recites other "research" and cites nothing of relevance. She is also citing all of her own "research" which is really, really bad form and is extremely misleading. This proves nothing. Correlations are not causation.

If ice cream sales and drowning rates correlate, does that mean that ice cream sales cause drowning?

Kbalas1018

https://healthimpactnews.com/2015/zero-u-s-measles-deaths-in-10-years-but-over-100-measles-vaccine-deaths-reported/

wherewordsfail

Searches on Google =/= Medical Journals

wherewordsfail

magnumJ said:

Kbalas1018 said:

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/03/29/vaccine-adjuvants-brain-effects.aspx

This just recites other "research" and cites nothing of relevance. She is also citing all of her own "research" which is really, really bad form and is extremely misleading. This proves nothing. Correlations are not causation.

If ice cream sales and drowning rates correlate, does that mean that ice cream sales cause drowning?

My favorite correlation vs. causation argument! Yay, science!

rspalding001

I love how so far no one but the OP supports her original opinion. At least the rest of us still have some common sense

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

https://healthimpactnews.com/2015/zero-u-s-measles-deaths-in-10-years-but-over-100-measles-vaccine-deaths-reported/

Also proves nothing. How do I know these aren't all old people who would have died anyway? 

Any suit against a pharmaceutical company just proves that you should be cautious of putting anything in your body. I assume you take medicine or vitamins? How do you know that isn't going to kill you?

Note that the interview they cite with the CDC from last year is titled "Deaths from measles outbreak may be ‘inevitable’ as cases surge in US". That's because people aren't vaccinating.

You need to find articles from neutral entities. This shit is basically propaganda.

snarky14jd

This is a bit early to discuss and realize that your opinion may be unpopular.

I'm a fan of spacing vax out but vaxxing on time.

Kbalas1018

There are plenty more... So many that it would take me hours. I've read the articles professing the safety of vaccines as well as the science against them. I'm glad your father didn't die of cancer @wherewordsfail.
I've listened to REAL people who had life altering adverse reactions from vaccines. Can you blame me for not wanting to intentionally inject my child with something that would be harmful any other way? There are just as many proven facts out there against vaccines as there are for them.

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

There are plenty more... So many that it would take me hours. I've read the articles professing the safety of vaccines as well as the science against them. I'm glad your father didn't die of cancer @wherewordsfail. I've listened to REAL people who had life altering adverse reactions from vaccines. Can you blame me for not wanting to intentionally inject my child with something that would be harmful any other way? There are just as many proven facts out there against vaccines as there are for them.

No, no there aren't.

Kbalas1018

Doctors are trained in medicine... Not heath. That is why many doctors can't help you unless they give you medicine. There are other things in this world that can help you besides drugs.

Kbalas1018

I'm guessing you know this because you know everything? @magnumJ

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

Doctors are trained in medicine... Not heath. That is why many doctors can't help you unless they give you medicine. There are other things in this world that can help you besides drugs.

And there are a lot of things in the world that aren't medicine that are drugs. Many doctors I know would be appauled at your generalization.

PrairieGirl45

Lmao quoting a couple of discredited wackos as your proof hahahs

Kbalas1018

Good. I'm appalled at many doctors for their lack of care for people.

kayjay44

Kbalas1018 said:

Good. I'm appalled at many doctors for their lack of care for people.

Cool.