Vaccines

mhuang1

I know this is a hot button topic right now but I'm curious as to what you ladies will be doing? For or against? And why?

I personally will be vaccinating my child at the appropriate age. So I guess I'm for it. I'm for it because to me, its protecting them from harm.

Please respect each other's opinions and thoughts.

Mamamads

I am the only one that I know of on here who is against, nobody else has voiced their opinions otherwise. I do understand the crazy debate raging right now due to the measles "outbreak" but it's really scary to think about potentially not having the choice to opt out of certain vaccines.. That is just absolutely insane and goes against our freedoms. I understand the motivation behind the idea but what many don't understand is that people are harmed or killed daily by vaccines and while most severe reactions are pretty rare dying from the measles is more so. My daughter is 2.5 and had the vitaminK shot at the hospital and that is it. She's been sick once and while I worry about her the way any parent does I don't feel she is "Unprotected" in the least.

gotdiesel2007

I delay but that's as far as I go on this topic.

guldfru

By vaccinating your child you are not only protecting them from life threatening diseases, you are also protecting the children that come into contact with your child. The rarity of these diseases is due to vaccinations, if we stop vaccinating the diseases re-emerge, for example measles.

p_and_a

I'm definitely for (at the appropriate age). Herd immunity is so important to protect 1) those whose are not old enough to receive vaccines and 2) those who have compromised immune systems (like cancer patients).

If we revert back to a time of no vaccines, dangerous communicable diseases will spread further; we'll face epidemics of preventable diseases that will harm and kill children.

Andrew Wakefield is a fraud and a total disgrace to entire medical community. Because of him and Jenny McCarthy, people have been grossly misinformed.

https://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/

Deadly diseases that can be prevented by vaccines is something I take very seriously. Just ask anyone who's lived through the heightened epidemics of measles, whooping cough, small pox, and polio. Unless vaccines are embraced, we're well on our way to another deadly epidemic.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/02/150204-measles-vaccinations-debate-autism-medicine-california/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=link_fb20150204news-measles&utm_campaign=Content&sf7277207=1

Leahauc

I am pro vaccine. Number one, it protects my child from potentially deadly diseases that are not as eradicated as some people think. Secondly, I can't help but think about the children with immune disorders that my child passing on some of these diseases could possibly kill. Not worth it to me.

Mamamads

moonrisemama said:

We do not vaccinate any longer. My son is vaccine injured. My daughter is unvaccinated and this lo will be as well. I do not share much on this topic because it has caused me a great deal of stress in the past. Guaranteed this thread will turn into a hate fest and self destruct rather quickly...

Haha well with a lot of the extreme nasty ladies gone it may not be that bad.. But we will see. People do tend to get a bit over worked when it comes to this topic and I understand why since it involves our children's health. I just wish people would realize everyone is doing what they think is best and that's really the bottom line. Life is full of risks and chances and illness no need to place the blame. So very sorry about your son btw.

p_and_a

@moonrisemama I think the conversation on this thread has been pretty civil so far, per OP's wishes. I'm sorry to hear about your son. Would you be able to tell us what you mean by "vaccine injured?"

Mamamads

I will add; for those of you who believe a perfectly healthy non vaccinated kid just carries around disease and is a threat to those with immune compromises. Look into vaccine shedding. For vaccines containing live viruses such as measles, smallpox, rubella, intranasal influenza and chicken pox they recommend not coming in contact with someone with a compromised immune system for up to a month because that is how long you can possibly shed those diseases and infect others after being vaccinated.

p_and_a

@Mamamads - I do understand the concern you are posing, however I think the infectious nature of the diseases themselves is far more worrisome; "possibly shed" versus "highly contagious" are two very different concerns. Someone who has received a vaccine can take active steps to avoid those that would be affected (immune compromised people) during the temporary duration of time they are "shedding." However, a disease itself is far more aggressive, contagious, and can strike without warning.

Mamamads

p_and_a said:

@Mamamads - I do understand the concern you are posing, however I think the infectious nature of the diseases themselves is far more worrisome; "possibly shed" versus "highly contagious" are two very different concerns. Someone who has received a vaccine can take active steps to avoid those that would be affected (immune compromised people) for the temporary duration of time they are "shedding." However, a disease itself is far more aggressive, contagious, and can strike without warning.

I'm not saying this is a reason I don't vaccinate just that people concerned about keeping other people healthy should be aware of this and realize their vaccinated child is a threat to
the immune compromised after vaccinating. Or say infecting your infant with one of these disease by your toddler recently being vaccinated and shedding these viruses. I think a lot of people are unaware of this when they are making claims about keeping other children safe by vaccinating their own.

Ckorines

My daughters pediatricians have children around the same age as her. All her doctors vaccinate their children. They know more than I do, which is why I trust my precious baby in their care. If they recommend it, I will do it. They are the professionals.

kdnelson10

I think it's so true, we all do what we think is best. I wish there was just a clear cut answer that would be best for all our babies. I am really torn on this subject because I just don't know. I see points on both sides. For one, I have severe allergies, which my allergist believes are caused by vaccines. Who knows??
I think that if I do vaccinate I will space them out and not do so many all at one time.

grlplz

I vaccinate because IMO it's better than the alternative. I get that vaccines can cause problems in rare cases but if everyone stopped vaccinating small pox, measels, polio, etc. Would be just as common and dangerous as it used to be. That is a scary thought. Plus I can handle a child who has a disability, allergies, injury, etc. due to a vaccine but what I wouldn't be able to handle is my child dying by something that is preventable but I decided not to do it. And yes I know that death has been caused by bad reactions to vaccines in very rare cases and that people say it's more common than dying from the illnesses they prevent but if we allowed them to come back and be as common as they were they'd kill way more than vaccines ever have.

hpanabaker

I am mostly for vaccines.  I want my children protected against scary diseases.  I would like to opt out of the chicken pox vaccine because it's just chicken pox.  But in the future to enroll my kids in school they need to have the vaccine so we're getting that one too.

Mamamads

hpanabaker said:

I am mostly for vaccines.  I want my children protected against scary diseases.  I would like to opt out of the chicken pox vaccine because it's just chicken pox.  But in the future to enroll my kids in school they need to have the vaccine so we're getting that one too.

I'm curious where you live because in most places they don't need to be vaccinated for school. You just bring an exemption form with them. I'm homeschooling my kiddos but looked into this before I decided on that.

mrspark812

hpanabaker said:

I am mostly for vaccines.  I want my children protected against scary diseases.  I would like to opt out of the chicken pox vaccine because it's just chicken pox.  But in the future to enroll my kids in school they need to have the vaccine so we're getting that one too.

For the record I am very pro vaccines (more on that later) but I want to play devils advocate.......I said the exact same thing about chicken pox to my dad (who was born in 1947 before many common day vaccines were available) and he says that back when he was a kid everyone got measles. It was normal just like people getting the chicken pox now. It took me by surprise that 60 years ago measles was viewed just like the chicken pox now a days. It was just one of those things kids got. No big deal.

Granted I know people die and can have some serious after effects from measles which is why I won't risk DD's health but it really caught me by surprise.

Mamamads

mrspark812 said:

hpanabaker said:

I am mostly for vaccines.  I want my children protected against scary diseases.  I would like to opt out of the chicken pox vaccine because it's just chicken pox.  But in the future to enroll my kids in school they need to have the vaccine so we're getting that one too.

For the record I am very pro vaccines (more on that later) but I want to play devils advocate.......I said the exact same thing about chicken pox to my dad (who was born in 1947 before many common day vaccines were available) and he says that back when he was a kid everyone got measles. It was normal just like people getting the chicken pox now. It took me by surprise that 60 years ago measles was viewed just like the chicken pox now a days. It was just one of those things kids got. No big deal.

Granted I know people die and can have some serious after effects from measles which is why I won't risk DD's health but it really caught me by surprise.

Yep this is so true and right now the death tally in the measles outbreak...zero. I think the biggest thing people don't realize is not all the diseases you are vaccinating against are deadly and most Of them once you have them(like chicken pox/measles) you get true immunity and won't get It again. I mean they vaccinate against diarrhea for Christ sakes! Can diarrhea kill someone? Yes in extreme extreme circumstances but will it? Most likely no. Another thing is we are more equipped to help someone who were to get one of these diseases these days with medications and antibiotics because we know far far more about them than we used to. Just something to think about. I would also like to commend you ladies for being able to speak about this in one of the more rational ways I have seen lately, it says a lot about your character to be able to see both sides and look at things objectively. We really all do just want our kids safe and healthy so I hate to see people tear each-other a part over this.

asherk

I will be vaccinating on schedule. As someone stated earlier, herd immunity is critically important to protecting those who are too young for vaccines or are otherwise immunocompromised. While I can understand that many people fear the risks associated with vaccines, most of those are minor and temporary, and many of them cannot be blamed solely on the vaccine (there are other environmental and physiological factors that can influence an individuals ability to tolerate vaccines). By choosing not to vaccinate, you are not only putting your own children at risk of deadly, otherwise preventable diseases, but young children and the immunocompromised as well.

With each new infection of a virus, you have the risk that the virus will mutate and form a new, potentially more devastating, or vaccine-resistant strain. We can already see this in bacteria, due to the increased usage of antibiotics in inappropriate situations (should only be used to treat a confirmed bacterial infection) and antibacterial soaps and sanitizers (see MRSA as an example). This is why we need a new flu vaccine each year - the virus is so widespread and infects so many people that it is constantly mutating. This is also why the flu vaccine is not as effective this year. Scientists have to predict which strains will be the most common, and the top 3 are the ones that go into the vaccine. One of those strains mutated prior to the release of the vaccine this season, and that's why it's been so bad this year. If measles or polio were to mutate, it could potentially have devastating effects. We wouldn't be prepared for it at all.

In my opinion, I think it is irresponsible to not vaccinate your children. It's like letting them ride their bike on a busy highway and not giving them a helmet. Am I going to burst into your home and tell you what to do? No. I can respect that everyone has their own opinions, and I do genuinely believe that most parents do what they think is best for their child. I just hope you do your research and make sure you really know the facts, and discuss your child's specific risks with your doctor, instead of blindly following crackpot scientists and celebrities in the media.

(Edited because spelling is hard.)

emilywilson090414

I am pro vaccine but I'm also pro choice. However many of the people I know who are against it have a skewed logic of what a vaccine is. I don't blame them, we naturally fear especially when it comes to our children. But I am in the medical field and have more of an understanding. Let me tell you what I know and let you decide. Back when vaccines where the new thing they were cultured with Mercury! Yikes! (in my opinion the lesser of two evils.) But after seeing the many side effects they changed to egg whites and steam. Unfortunately unlike Mercury these did not preserve the vaccine making it a live virus. So they pumped them full of preservatives in big multi use bottles. (After one use the vaccine would be exposed to air causing the unpreserved state.) and as we now know, preservatives are also NOT GOOD. So now vaccines are in one time use bottles cultued with egg whites and steam. As natural as you can get. And I'm sure over time they will continue to get better.

Sanine

I'm with @hpanabaker‌. My son has all his vaccines except for chicken pox. I actually did research and I found that the first people who got the vaccine are now in their late 20s. I could not find anything out about possible shingles cases or if there was a booster needed as these poeple got older, and seeing that they are still being studied, its not sure what chances they have with shingles. Then again... Maybe this is why he should have the vaccine.

If school requires it, I will have him get it, but until then I'll see if he catches it before hand.

shannonota

Mamamads said:

I am the only one that I know of on here who is against, nobody else has voiced their opinions otherwise. I do understand the crazy debate raging right now due to the measles "outbreak" but it's really scary to think about potentially not having the choice to opt out of certain vaccines.. That is just absolutely insane and goes against our freedoms. I understand the motivation behind the idea but what many don't understand is that people are harmed or killed daily by vaccines and while most severe reactions are pretty rare dying from the measles is more so. My daughter is 2.5 and had the vitaminK shot at the hospital and that is it. She's been sick once and while I worry about her the way any parent does I don't feel she is "Unprotected" in the least.

I am against them as well. I should say not totally "against" them but we are really researching very extensively before we introduce such a thing.

Julz81

My two youngest had all their Vaccines on time, this one will have them too but I'm researching delaying them first.

UTMissy

Mamamads said:

mrspark812 said:

hpanabaker said:

I am mostly for vaccines.  I want my children protected against scary diseases.  I would like to opt out of the chicken pox vaccine because it's just chicken pox.  But in the future to enroll my kids in school they need to have the vaccine so we're getting that one too.

For the record I am very pro vaccines (more on that later) but I want to play devils advocate.......I said the exact same thing about chicken pox to my dad (who was born in 1947 before many common day vaccines were available) and he says that back when he was a kid everyone got measles. It was normal just like people getting the chicken pox now. It took me by surprise that 60 years ago measles was viewed just like the chicken pox now a days. It was just one of those things kids got. No big deal.

Granted I know people die and can have some serious after effects from measles which is why I won't risk DD's health but it really caught me by surprise.

Yep this is so true and right now the death tally in the measles outbreak...zero. I think the biggest thing people don't realize is not all the diseases you are vaccinating against are deadly and most Of them once you have them(like chicken pox/measles) you get true immunity and won't get It again. I mean they vaccinate against diarrhea for Christ sakes! Can diarrhea kill someone? Yes in extreme extreme circumstances but will it? Most likely no. Another thing is we are more equipped to help someone who were to get one of these diseases these days with medications and antibiotics because we know far far more about them than we used to. Just something to think about. I would also like to commend you ladies for being able to speak about this in one of the more rational ways I have seen lately, it says a lot about your character to be able to see both sides and look at things objectively. We really all do just want our kids safe and healthy so I hate to see people tear each-other a part over this.

First, you are not completely immune because you've had chicken pox or the measles. You can still get both despite having had them. My sister can not be around children with chicken pox because as an adult it presents a much greater danger to her and she did have a mild case as a child. My mom had measles as a child and again, she managed to get a strain (shingles) and had to stay away from my family per drs orders until it healed as we had an infant at the time. I've also been given two doses of chicken pox vaccine per drs orders despite having had them as well.
Second, we do not receive vaccines for diarrhea. Diptheria however is a disease we vaccinate for which is disease that can inhibit breathing and cause damage to the heart, kidneys and nervous system.

kladd7182

I vaccinate. My father had Polio as a child, and suffered life long ramifications from it. If I can do something to prevent a life threatening or life altering illness, it is irresponsible of me not too.

Mamamads

UTMissy said:

Mamamads said:

mrspark812 said:

hpanabaker said:

I am mostly for vaccines.  I want my children protected against scary diseases.  I would like to opt out of the chicken pox vaccine because it's just chicken pox.  But in the future to enroll my kids in school they need to have the vaccine so we're getting that one too.

For the record I am very pro vaccines (more on that later) but I want to play devils advocate.......I said the exact same thing about chicken pox to my dad (who was born in 1947 before many common day vaccines were available) and he says that back when he was a kid everyone got measles. It was normal just like people getting the chicken pox now. It took me by surprise that 60 years ago measles was viewed just like the chicken pox now a days. It was just one of those things kids got. No big deal.

Granted I know people die and can have some serious after effects from measles which is why I won't risk DD's health but it really caught me by surprise.

Yep this is so true and right now the death tally in the measles outbreak...zero. I think the biggest thing people don't realize is not all the diseases you are vaccinating against are deadly and most Of them once you have them(like chicken pox/measles) you get true immunity and won't get It again. I mean they vaccinate against diarrhea for Christ sakes! Can diarrhea kill someone? Yes in extreme extreme circumstances but will it? Most likely no. Another thing is we are more equipped to help someone who were to get one of these diseases these days with medications and antibiotics because we know far far more about them than we used to. Just something to think about. I would also like to commend you ladies for being able to speak about this in one of the more rational ways I have seen lately, it says a lot about your character to be able to see both sides and look at things objectively. We really all do just want our kids safe and healthy so I hate to see people tear each-other a part over this.

First, you are not completely immune because you've had chicken pox or the measles. You can still get both despite having had them. My sister can not be around children with chicken pox because as an adult it presents a much greater danger to her and she did have a mild case as a child. My mom had measles as a child and again, she managed to get a strain (shingles) and had to stay away from my family per drs orders until it healed as we had an infant at the time. I've also been given two doses of chicken pox vaccine per drs orders despite having had them as well.
Second, we do not receive vaccines for diarrhea. Diptheria however is a disease we vaccinate for which is disease that can inhibit breathing and cause damage to the heart, kidneys and nervous system.

No you are not always guaranteed to not get it again and have life long immunity but in most cases you are. With chickenpox if you get a mild case you can get it again and yes there is the risk of shingles.
The vaccine I am referring to is rotavirus which is the most common cause of diarrhea, so yes we are vaccinating our children against that.

UTMissy

Mamamads said:

UTMissy said:

Mamamads said:

mrspark812 said:

hpanabaker said:

I am mostly for vaccines.  I want my children protected against scary diseases.  I would like to opt out of the chicken pox vaccine because it's just chicken pox.  But in the future to enroll my kids in school they need to have the vaccine so we're getting that one too.

For the record I am very pro vaccines (more on that later) but I want to play devils advocate.......I said the exact same thing about chicken pox to my dad (who was born in 1947 before many common day vaccines were available) and he says that back when he was a kid everyone got measles. It was normal just like people getting the chicken pox now. It took me by surprise that 60 years ago measles was viewed just like the chicken pox now a days. It was just one of those things kids got. No big deal.

Granted I know people die and can have some serious after effects from measles which is why I won't risk DD's health but it really caught me by surprise.

Yep this is so true and right now the death tally in the measles outbreak...zero. I think the biggest thing people don't realize is not all the diseases you are vaccinating against are deadly and most Of them once you have them(like chicken pox/measles) you get true immunity and won't get It again. I mean they vaccinate against diarrhea for Christ sakes! Can diarrhea kill someone? Yes in extreme extreme circumstances but will it? Most likely no. Another thing is we are more equipped to help someone who were to get one of these diseases these days with medications and antibiotics because we know far far more about them than we used to. Just something to think about. I would also like to commend you ladies for being able to speak about this in one of the more rational ways I have seen lately, it says a lot about your character to be able to see both sides and look at things objectively. We really all do just want our kids safe and healthy so I hate to see people tear each-other a part over this.

First, you are not completely immune because you've had chicken pox or the measles. You can still get both despite having had them. My sister can not be around children with chicken pox because as an adult it presents a much greater danger to her and she did have a mild case as a child. My mom had measles as a child and again, she managed to get a strain (shingles) and had to stay away from my family per drs orders until it healed as we had an infant at the time. I've also been given two doses of chicken pox vaccine per drs orders despite having had them as well.
Second, we do not receive vaccines for diarrhea. Diptheria however is a disease we vaccinate for which is disease that can inhibit breathing and cause damage to the heart, kidneys and nervous system.

No you are not always guaranteed to not get it again and have life long immunity but in most cases you are. With chickenpox if you get a mild case you can get it again and yes there is the risk of shingles.
The vaccine I am referring to is rotavirus which is the most common cause of diarrhea, so yes we are vaccinating our children against that.

Diarrhea is a symptom not the virus we vaccinate against and yes it is very serious. And shingles is a measles strain not chicken pox.

shannonota

UTMissy said:

Mamamads said:

UTMissy said:

Mamamads said:

mrspark812 said:

hpanabaker said:

I am mostly for vaccines.  I want my children protected against scary diseases.  I would like to opt out of the chicken pox vaccine because it's just chicken pox.  But in the future to enroll my kids in school they need to have the vaccine so we're getting that one too.

For the record I am very pro vaccines (more on that later) but I want to play devils advocate.......I said the exact same thing about chicken pox to my dad (who was born in 1947 before many common day vaccines were available) and he says that back when he was a kid everyone got measles. It was normal just like people getting the chicken pox now. It took me by surprise that 60 years ago measles was viewed just like the chicken pox now a days. It was just one of those things kids got. No big deal.

Granted I know people die and can have some serious after effects from measles which is why I won't risk DD's health but it really caught me by surprise.

Yep this is so true and right now the death tally in the measles outbreak...zero. I think the biggest thing people don't realize is not all the diseases you are vaccinating against are deadly and most Of them once you have them(like chicken pox/measles) you get true immunity and won't get It again. I mean they vaccinate against diarrhea for Christ sakes! Can diarrhea kill someone? Yes in extreme extreme circumstances but will it? Most likely no. Another thing is we are more equipped to help someone who were to get one of these diseases these days with medications and antibiotics because we know far far more about them than we used to. Just something to think about. I would also like to commend you ladies for being able to speak about this in one of the more rational ways I have seen lately, it says a lot about your character to be able to see both sides and look at things objectively. We really all do just want our kids safe and healthy so I hate to see people tear each-other a part over this.

First, you are not completely immune because you've had chicken pox or the measles. You can still get both despite having had them. My sister can not be around children with chicken pox because as an adult it presents a much greater danger to her and she did have a mild case as a child. My mom had measles as a child and again, she managed to get a strain (shingles) and had to stay away from my family per drs orders until it healed as we had an infant at the time. I've also been given two doses of chicken pox vaccine per drs orders despite having had them as well.
Second, we do not receive vaccines for diarrhea. Diptheria however is a disease we vaccinate for which is disease that can inhibit breathing and cause damage to the heart, kidneys and nervous system.

No you are not always guaranteed to not get it again and have life long immunity but in most cases you are. With chickenpox if you get a mild case you can get it again and yes there is the risk of shingles.
The vaccine I am referring to is rotavirus which is the most common cause of diarrhea, so yes we are vaccinating our children against that.

Diarrhea is a symptom not the virus we vaccinate against and yes it is very serious. And shingles is a measles strain not chicken pox.

It is actually a chicken pox strain. That's why for the shingles vaccine commercial it says "if you've had the chicken pox the shingles virus is already in your body"

hpanabaker

@Mamamads ~ I'm in small town, Ontario, Canada.  It's a new policy that has been added I guess.  Anyone born after 2010 enrolling in school must have the chicken pox vaccine.  

kladd7182

@mamamads I have a question that's pretty legit, and not meant to be an asshole question. I can understand why you don't vaccinate, and I'm prochoice on it. With the measles outbreak, some doctors are dropping unvaccinated patients. Does this concern you or make you feel discriminated against?

UTMissy

shannonota said:

UTMissy said:

Mamamads said:

UTMissy said:

Mamamads said:

mrspark812 said:

hpanabaker said:

I am mostly for vaccines.  I want my children protected against scary diseases.  I would like to opt out of the chicken pox vaccine because it's just chicken pox.  But in the future to enroll my kids in school they need to have the vaccine so we're getting that one too.

For the record I am very pro vaccines (more on that later) but I want to play devils advocate.......I said the exact same thing about chicken pox to my dad (who was born in 1947 before many common day vaccines were available) and he says that back when he was a kid everyone got measles. It was normal just like people getting the chicken pox now. It took me by surprise that 60 years ago measles was viewed just like the chicken pox now a days. It was just one of those things kids got. No big deal.

Granted I know people die and can have some serious after effects from measles which is why I won't risk DD's health but it really caught me by surprise.

Yep this is so true and right now the death tally in the measles outbreak...zero. I think the biggest thing people don't realize is not all the diseases you are vaccinating against are deadly and most Of them once you have them(like chicken pox/measles) you get true immunity and won't get It again. I mean they vaccinate against diarrhea for Christ sakes! Can diarrhea kill someone? Yes in extreme extreme circumstances but will it? Most likely no. Another thing is we are more equipped to help someone who were to get one of these diseases these days with medications and antibiotics because we know far far more about them than we used to. Just something to think about. I would also like to commend you ladies for being able to speak about this in one of the more rational ways I have seen lately, it says a lot about your character to be able to see both sides and look at things objectively. We really all do just want our kids safe and healthy so I hate to see people tear each-other a part over this.

First, you are not completely immune because you've had chicken pox or the measles. You can still get both despite having had them. My sister can not be around children with chicken pox because as an adult it presents a much greater danger to her and she did have a mild case as a child. My mom had measles as a child and again, she managed to get a strain (shingles) and had to stay away from my family per drs orders until it healed as we had an infant at the time. I've also been given two doses of chicken pox vaccine per drs orders despite having had them as well.
Second, we do not receive vaccines for diarrhea. Diptheria however is a disease we vaccinate for which is disease that can inhibit breathing and cause damage to the heart, kidneys and nervous system.

No you are not always guaranteed to not get it again and have life long immunity but in most cases you are. With chickenpox if you get a mild case you can get it again and yes there is the risk of shingles.
The vaccine I am referring to is rotavirus which is the most common cause of diarrhea, so yes we are vaccinating our children against that.

Diarrhea is a symptom not the virus we vaccinate against and yes it is very serious. And shingles is a measles strain not chicken pox.

It is actually a chicken pox strain. That's why for the shingles vaccine commercial it says "if you've had the chicken pox the shingles virus is already in your body"

I stand corrected then. My mistake. I honestly haven't paid attention to that commercial either!

Mamamads

UTMissy said:

Mamamads said:

UTMissy said:

Mamamads said:

mrspark812 said:

hpanabaker said:

I am mostly for vaccines.  I want my children protected against scary diseases.  I would like to opt out of the chicken pox vaccine because it's just chicken pox.  But in the future to enroll my kids in school they need to have the vaccine so we're getting that one too.

For the record I am very pro vaccines (more on that later) but I want to play devils advocate.......I said the exact same thing about chicken pox to my dad (who was born in 1947 before many common day vaccines were available) and he says that back when he was a kid everyone got measles. It was normal just like people getting the chicken pox now. It took me by surprise that 60 years ago measles was viewed just like the chicken pox now a days. It was just one of those things kids got. No big deal.

Granted I know people die and can have some serious after effects from measles which is why I won't risk DD's health but it really caught me by surprise.

Yep this is so true and right now the death tally in the measles outbreak...zero. I think the biggest thing people don't realize is not all the diseases you are vaccinating against are deadly and most Of them once you have them(like chicken pox/measles) you get true immunity and won't get It again. I mean they vaccinate against diarrhea for Christ sakes! Can diarrhea kill someone? Yes in extreme extreme circumstances but will it? Most likely no. Another thing is we are more equipped to help someone who were to get one of these diseases these days with medications and antibiotics because we know far far more about them than we used to. Just something to think about. I would also like to commend you ladies for being able to speak about this in one of the more rational ways I have seen lately, it says a lot about your character to be able to see both sides and look at things objectively. We really all do just want our kids safe and healthy so I hate to see people tear each-other a part over this.

First, you are not completely immune because you've had chicken pox or the measles. You can still get both despite having had them. My sister can not be around children with chicken pox because as an adult it presents a much greater danger to her and she did have a mild case as a child. My mom had measles as a child and again, she managed to get a strain (shingles) and had to stay away from my family per drs orders until it healed as we had an infant at the time. I've also been given two doses of chicken pox vaccine per drs orders despite having had them as well.
Second, we do not receive vaccines for diarrhea. Diptheria however is a disease we vaccinate for which is disease that can inhibit breathing and cause damage to the heart, kidneys and nervous system.

No you are not always guaranteed to not get it again and have life long immunity but in most cases you are. With chickenpox if you get a mild case you can get it again and yes there is the risk of shingles.
The vaccine I am referring to is rotavirus which is the most common cause of diarrhea, so yes we are vaccinating our children against that.

Diarrhea is a symptom not the virus we vaccinate against and yes it is very serious. And shingles is a measles strain not chicken pox.

Yes it's a symptom, the main one. Nearly every child will be infected once by age 5. Immunity develops with each infection so subsequent infections are less severe. It would be potentially serious in a third world country where they have no access to iv hydration Etc. Here not so much.

shannonota

UTMissy said:

shannonota said:

UTMissy said:

Mamamads said:

UTMissy said:

Mamamads said:

mrspark812 said:

hpanabaker said:

I am mostly for vaccines.  I want my children protected against scary diseases.  I would like to opt out of the chicken pox vaccine because it's just chicken pox.  But in the future to enroll my kids in school they need to have the vaccine so we're getting that one too.

For the record I am very pro vaccines (more on that later) but I want to play devils advocate.......I said the exact same thing about chicken pox to my dad (who was born in 1947 before many common day vaccines were available) and he says that back when he was a kid everyone got measles. It was normal just like people getting the chicken pox now. It took me by surprise that 60 years ago measles was viewed just like the chicken pox now a days. It was just one of those things kids got. No big deal.

Granted I know people die and can have some serious after effects from measles which is why I won't risk DD's health but it really caught me by surprise.

Yep this is so true and right now the death tally in the measles outbreak...zero. I think the biggest thing people don't realize is not all the diseases you are vaccinating against are deadly and most Of them once you have them(like chicken pox/measles) you get true immunity and won't get It again. I mean they vaccinate against diarrhea for Christ sakes! Can diarrhea kill someone? Yes in extreme extreme circumstances but will it? Most likely no. Another thing is we are more equipped to help someone who were to get one of these diseases these days with medications and antibiotics because we know far far more about them than we used to. Just something to think about. I would also like to commend you ladies for being able to speak about this in one of the more rational ways I have seen lately, it says a lot about your character to be able to see both sides and look at things objectively. We really all do just want our kids safe and healthy so I hate to see people tear each-other a part over this.

First, you are not completely immune because you've had chicken pox or the measles. You can still get both despite having had them. My sister can not be around children with chicken pox because as an adult it presents a much greater danger to her and she did have a mild case as a child. My mom had measles as a child and again, she managed to get a strain (shingles) and had to stay away from my family per drs orders until it healed as we had an infant at the time. I've also been given two doses of chicken pox vaccine per drs orders despite having had them as well.
Second, we do not receive vaccines for diarrhea. Diptheria however is a disease we vaccinate for which is disease that can inhibit breathing and cause damage to the heart, kidneys and nervous system.

No you are not always guaranteed to not get it again and have life long immunity but in most cases you are. With chickenpox if you get a mild case you can get it again and yes there is the risk of shingles.
The vaccine I am referring to is rotavirus which is the most common cause of diarrhea, so yes we are vaccinating our children against that.

Diarrhea is a symptom not the virus we vaccinate against and yes it is very serious. And shingles is a measles strain not chicken pox.

It is actually a chicken pox strain. That's why for the shingles vaccine commercial it says "if you've had the chicken pox the shingles virus is already in your body"

I stand corrected then. My mistake. I honestly haven't paid attention to that commercial either!

It's on all the time I feel like that's how I knew hehe

Mamamads

kladd7182 said:

@mamamads I have a question that's pretty legit, and not meant to be an asshole question. I can understand why you don't vaccinate, and I'm prochoice on it. With the measles outbreak, some doctors are dropping unvaccinated patients. Does this concern you or make you feel discriminated against?

That's a good question. Before this whole outbreak some doctors would refuse to take on patients who refused vaccines or did delayed schedules so it's nothing new to me. I have found a great pediatrician who does accept patients who don't vaccinate and has a more holistic natural minded approach to medicine. It doesn't make me feel discriminated against at all, I understand why they would think it's a liability to take on those patients and plus it keeps the majority of their patients who are vaccinated feeling safer during this time of panic.

kladd7182

Mamamads said:

kladd7182 said:

@mamamads I have a question that's pretty legit, and not meant to be an asshole question. I can understand why you don't vaccinate, and I'm prochoice on it. With the measles outbreak, some doctors are dropping unvaccinated patients. Does this concern you or make you feel discriminated against?

That's a good question. Before this whole outbreak some doctors would refuse to take on patients who refused vaccines or did delayed schedules so it's nothing new to me. I have found a great pediatrician who does accept patients who don't vaccinate and has a more holistic natural minded approach to medicine. It doesn't make me feel discriminated against at all, I understand why they would think it's a liability to take on those patients and plus it keeps the majority of their patients who are vaccinated feeling safer during this time of panic.

I was wondering. My friend doesn't vaccinate and her doctor dropped her kids. She was outraged, and is goin to talk to a lawyer. Honestly, she doesn't vaccinate out of laziness it sounds like. She says, "it's to many unnessesary trips to the doctor". Other than that she really doesn't have a worthwhile arguement.

Mamamads

kladd7182 said:

Mamamads said:

kladd7182 said:

@mamamads I have a question that's pretty legit, and not meant to be an asshole question. I can understand why you don't vaccinate, and I'm prochoice on it. With the measles outbreak, some doctors are dropping unvaccinated patients. Does this concern you or make you feel discriminated against?

That's a good question. Before this whole outbreak some doctors would refuse to take on patients who refused vaccines or did delayed schedules so it's nothing new to me. I have found a great pediatrician who does accept patients who don't vaccinate and has a more holistic natural minded approach to medicine. It doesn't make me feel discriminated against at all, I understand why they would think it's a liability to take on those patients and plus it keeps the majority of their patients who are vaccinated feeling safer during this time of panic.

I was wondering. My friend doesn't vaccinate and her doctor dropped her kids. She was outraged, and is goin to talk to a lawyer. Honestly, she doesn't vaccinate out of laziness it sounds like. She says, "it's to many unnessesary trips to the doctor". Other than that she really doesn't have a worthwhile arguement.

Haha yikes! I take my daughter to the doctor for every check up just no shots. Some people don't take their kids at all though so I guess I see where she is coming from. There are so many pediatricians so it seems silly to me to get a lawyer involved in that but I do see why she's pissed.

Mamamads

hpanabaker said:

@Mamamads ~ I'm in small town, Ontario, Canada.  It's a new policy that has been added I guess.  Anyone born after 2010 enrolling in school must have the chicken pox vaccine.  

Oh that's a bummer, I'm in the states so I don't know about the laws in Canada. If it's something you care about though look into it, there is usually something that can be done.

Mamamads

moonrisemama said:

The thing about this current "outbreak" is that it is of genotype b3. The vaccine covers genotype A...So the vaccine does not cover the particular strain that is going around. It is really odd to me that the media won't divulge this information and they just keep screaming "Get the vaccine!"...

It's what they do, people Don't realize they aren't getting the entire story from the media even though that's nothing new. It's really sad how many things we are lied to about especially concerning vaccines.

shannonota

Mamamads said:

moonrisemama said:

The thing about this current "outbreak" is that it is of genotype b3. The vaccine covers genotype A...So the vaccine does not cover the particular strain that is going around. It is really odd to me that the media won't divulge this information and they just keep screaming "Get the vaccine!"...

It's what they do, people Don't realize they aren't getting the entire story from the media even though that's nothing new. It's really sad how many things we are lied to about especially concerning vaccines.

Its really scary. They lie about so much it's ridiculous. Or I should say "falsely inform the public" we have done a lot of research on them and nothing we have found have really proven vaccines to be good or even effective for that matter. They just load you with Mercury and formaldehyde and lots of other chemicals. Some will argue Mercury has been removed but thermisol is still in them and is still very dangerous and a form of mercury.

nimble33

I've had chicken pox twice when I was a kid. In the UK we don't vaccinate for chicken pox. We do for measles mumps and rubella and for some people have the flu jab. Loads more that I can't be arsed to write. I've vaccinated all my children, it's just not worth the risk not to.

kelckings

It's not really even about just protecting your kids, it's about protecting the general public. Most vaccines are around 10% ineffective already plus the part of the population who can't get vaccinated (immunocompromised, too young for the vaccine, etc) are already not protected. By spreading that vaccines are "dangerous" "unnecessary" or "harmful" is almost as scary as not vaccinating at all. Let's say that another 10% don't vaccinate at all because of their beliefs, now we have 20%+ kiddos not vaccinated. That's a very dangerous situation. More or less, in my opinion, not vaccinating children is extremely dangerous. You wouldn't purposely put your kid in danger and people should have the same respect for other people's children. I respect those who don't vaccinate are entitled to their opinion and I would just ask that you keep them away from my child until she is fully vaccinated. A scary thing to think an unvaccinated 7 year old can spread measles to my 6 month old because she is too young to be vaccinated yet all because another parent put my child in danger. Just needed to make sure people saw another side on this post to hopefully spark an interest in doing your own research before blindly following what someone read on a post.