Chart Stalk/Questions - January

jennifer_louise · January 2019

@inthewoods23 Me too!! I got a lot going on down there and couldn't tell O pain from a fart.

inthewoods23 · January 2019

ok I'm glad I'm not the only one that can't tell! I get little twinges on my left or right from time to time, but it's never like the cramps I get during AF and I didn't notice anything different when I had the IUI last month!

Not everyone feels them though I guess. I just feel like a lot of ladies here feel them and I feel left out! Lol

kerco925 · January 2019

@rikiteacup it's been normal the last two cycles that's just when I stopped testing this time. Last month I had 9 days where the line was as dark or darker than the control.

kiki047 · January 2019

@jennifer_louise jennifer_louise said:

@inthewoods23 Me too!! I got a lot going on down there and couldn't tell O pain from a fart.

Baaaahahahaha I’m dying over here.

I can usually only identify O pain after the fact. It’s like a pinching, squeezing sensation about 8” below my ribcage, like someone’s wringing my insides out like a dish rag. It’s higher up than AF cramps. But then again, I’ve recorded pinches as symptoms in FF throughout my cycle before and it probably was just gas

sometimes I get lucky and it lines up with O.

So this probably falls under the category of TMI but while we’re sharing... I just tried to put in my softcup after BD but it wouldn’t sit properly and kept popping out so I gave up fighting with it cuz it’s just so dang slippery lol. Now I’m pretty sure all I did was scoop everything out of there and rinse it down the drain.

waahhhh. Not sure why I even bothered.

jennifer_louise · January 2019

Oh no @kiki047 ! Hopefully some of those little swimmers got up there anyway! How close are you to O?

kopp5988 · January 2019

@b_1029 how do you convert for different times? I was at a bachelorette party this weekend so waking up at my normal 6:30 did not happen. I’d rather try converting the temps even if they’re slightly off than totally disregarding them, just to see how my chart looks.

kiki047 · January 2019

@jennifer_louise according to this morning's ultrasound, I O'd already. I recorded twinges/pinches yesterday afternoon, and my b/w showed my surge yesterday but no temp rise this morning so assuming I O'd overnight maybe? I'll move over to TWW but unsure if FF is going to put O yesterday or today.

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b_1029 · January 2019

@kopp5988 I use this site: https://www.whenmybaby.com/basalbodytemperature.php

galentine · January 2019

I use FF but don't pay for VIP (seems pointless since I don't temp). Can someone with VIP please enlighten me to what FF considers good or great timing?

b_1029 · January 2019

@galentine I'm not 100% sure but I'm looking at my data and a cycle where I had O-3, -1, O, +1 was "High" and a cycle with -3, -1 was "Good". I don't know which days it likes more than others haha.

kiki047 · January 2019

@galentine I searched FF for info but I couldn't really find anything that would give me a conclusive answer. I'm assuming it has to do with the # of BD within the window moreso than timing...

-2 and O are apparently good in my past cycles, and -3, -2, -1 / -3, -1, O both count as high.

What is the fertile window?

Your fertile window is made up of the days in your menstrual cycle when pregnancy is possible. The length of this fertile phase is determined by the maximum life span of your partner's sperm and your egg. Sperm can survive a maximum of five days in fertile cervical fluid and your ovum can survive for up to one day. Your theoretical fertile window is thus six days long, comprised of the five days before ovulation and the day of ovulation. You only have a chance to conceive when you have intercourse on these days. This means that pregnancy is technically possible from intercourse on any of these six days. The likelihood of actually becoming pregnant, however, is dramatically increased when you have intercourse in the three days immediately leading up to and including ovulation. This makes a practical fertile window of just three days.

In a recent analysis of 119,398 charts from women charting with Fertility Friend, we found that 94% of women who became pregnant had intercourse on at least one of these three days. For conception purposes, it is thus ideal to have intercourse during a three day fertile window which includes your ovulation day and the two previous days.

samashley1 · January 2019

I only have BD on O and I have "good." I suspect it's tied to both timing and frequency based on the fact that I only BD once and still got "good."

cdnrunning · January 2019

@galentine I have a -2 and -3 this cycle and it counts it as "good".

daisy0322 · January 2019

@galentine I don't have VIP either but from google images seraches I've gathered that 3 or more times in the fertility window is great, 1 or 2 in the last 3 days -2, -1, O is good

daisy0322 · January 2019

So since I started temping mid cycle is there any point in trying to decipher my chart? My opks have been positive and negative off and on since Cycle Day 66. I wasn't sure if I could use that first day as my cover line since it does look like I had a temp jump or not?

prpl11butterfly · January 2019

@daisy0322 if your temp stays up over the next few days, I'd say its a safe bet you O'd. I wouldn't worry about getting a CL, it doesn't actually mean anything, just for visual purposes.

daisy0322 · January 2019

@prpl11butterfly thanks! I'm still figuring out this whole temping business

jackie_dunny · January 2019

So this is my first cycle using FF but not my first cycle temping, I’m still getting used to it though. My temps seem to just be everywhere and I’m almost positive that I O’d CD15 because of my CP and the fact that I probably could’ve used a pad because of my CM yet I still don’t have any crosshairs. Does FF not give you crosshairs on your first cycle temping with it or is it just not registering for some reason?

FYI I’m not TTGP yet just learning so I’m ready to go by the time that I am

ETA: typo

lulu1180 · January 2019

@jackie_dunny I wouldn't be surprised if FF doesn't give you CHs because your temps are so erratic. Are you taking them at the same time every morning after at least 3 hours of sleep? I know you recently got a new puppy so I'm not sure if he's still waking you up every so often. If you're not, I would suggest trying to do so as it will make your chart easier to read. Also, OPKs can be a great resource that will help tell you when O is coming up. Finally, FF needs 3 days of elevated temps to give CHs so even if you did O on CD15, today is only CD17 and the earliest you would get CHs would be after tomorrow's temp.

nitnat007 · January 2019

@jackie_dunny Also, so add to what lulu said above, if you temps continue to read erratically, then I would suggest possibly switching to vaginal temping. Lots of ladies have found that to be a more consistent and stable method. Good luck!

b_1029 · January 2019

sorry!! I hadn’t refreshed my page and said exactly what @nitnat007 said.
@jackie_dunny +1 vote for vaginal temping. I’m a mouth breather and it really helped stabilize my temps.

prpl11butterfly · January 2019

@jackie_dunny +1 to vaginal temp. I switched last June and my temps are so so much more consistent. I'll put SS in spoiler. 1st one was April (oral temping) and second was June once I switched.

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jackie_dunny · January 2019

Thanks ladies. Once I’m actively TTC I will start using OPKs but I’m just trying to learn how to temp atm. I’m actually not even using a basal body thermometer at the moment, just a digital one. But it still does a tenth of the degree, just not a hundredth. I’m just trying to get in the habit of taking my temp in the morning and tracking it and for solving problems like these 😆

I’m taking them at the same time each morning but yes, we’re still waking up in the night to take the puppy out, should I be taking my temp when I wake up to let him out? I’ve currently been taking it after going back to sleep for about 2 more hours.

prpl11butterfly · January 2019

You can get a BBT for under 10 usually. If you are waking at the same time to take him out you could switch to that time (next cycle) and see if it makes things smoother.

rikiteacup · January 2019

@jackie_dunny I don't use a BBT thermometer. I've been using a regular digital thermometer for 7+ months and it is more than enough. I can tell right away when I O.
and +1 for vaginal temping. It is really hard to know if you O'ed based on your current temps.

I put 2 charts in the spoiler: oral temping vs. vaginal temping, all with a $7 CVS digital thermometer

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jackie_dunny · January 2019

@rikiteacup I’ll probably get a BBT and/or vaginal thermoter when I start actually TTC but it’s nice to know I can practice on the digital one for now and I’m not completely wasting my time 😆 I think the wonky temps are from the pupper. I’ll start temping next cycle when I wake up with him as per @prpl11butterfly’s advice.

Thank you all for the words of wisdom!

ETA: typo

inthewoods23 · January 2019

@jackie_dunny I think as long as the thermometer goes in 0.1 degree increments you're probably okay. Most regular thermometers go in 0.2 degree increments.

jackie_dunny · January 2019

@inthewoods23 I thought so as well but as I’m using Celsius im not sure if that makes a difference? 🤔 either way I’ll have to get a new one once I start TTC because I only have a forehead one and know those and ears ones are a no-no for accuracy.

lulu1180 · January 2019

@jackie_dunny If your thermometer uses skin temp, that is definitely contributing to your erratic temps. In order to accurately track your temps, you would need an oral and/or vaginal BBT.

jackie_dunny · January 2019

@lulu1180 I thought it might. They were a bit more steady before the puppy though so it might be a mix with the pupper waking me up as well. I’ll try temping when I wake with him next cycle and if they’re still all over the place, I’ll think about getting a proper BBT.

Thanks again

jackie_dunny · January 2019

Per everyone’s advice yesterday, I’ve started looking into a better thermometer. Do I need to get a special thermometer to do vaginal temping?

nitnat007 · January 2019

No, just a standard BBT will do the trick.

holly321 · January 2019

I asked in WTO too, but what would you consider too early to O? I O’ed early last month and seems like I am again. If it is an issue, and I correct in thinking clomid would help? And how often would you have FSH rested if you have had it be off before?

kimmer1412 · January 2019

@holly321 I'm not sure of the right answer but I would guess anything after CD7 depending on your cycle length

lulu1180 · January 2019

@holly321 I'm not sure what CD you're currently on, but I typically O anywhere from CD10-12 and this cycle, O was CD11 (just waiting on my third high temp). There really isn't a day that too early to O, like kimmer said, anything CD7 or after would be considered in the "normal" range. I once asked my RE about it when we first started testing and she said that it is not indicative of any issues, your body will release an egg when it's ready

holly321 · January 2019

Thanks ladies. If you delve in to dr. Google, you can find stuff saying you can O too early, which can be a sign of too high fsh, and I found stuff saying O’ing too early can mean your lining will be crap.

but, you can find anything on google, doesn’t mean it’s true.

kimmer1412 · January 2019

@holly321 if your period ends on CD7 and you ovulate on CD8 I could see the lining theory being a potential issue but I'm guessing that's not what's going on in your case but I obviously dont know the full details of your cycle.

holly321 · January 2019

So, my periods are often long, usually about 8 days. Lately, they are only 5-6 with a few days of barely spotting after, so maybe that is why I am O-ing earlier?

kimmer1412 · January 2019

@holly321 its possible, why does TTC have to be so hard?

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