Chart Stalk/Questions - September

marebear15 · September 2018

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marebear15 · September 2018

Was nerding out today and discovered a pretty cool study done on ovulation. They studied LH surge, BBT rise, and confirmed O by ultrasound. Here's the chart.

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CM-EDO=cervical mucus - expected day of ovulation
LH-EDO=luteinizing hormone - expected day of ovulation
BBT-EDO=basal body temperature - expected day of ovulation
US-DO=ultrasound - day of ovulation

What I found the most interesting is the 8 and 9th charts. The 8th chart shows the discrepancy between the day of actual ovulation and the BBT rise. The largest percentage of BBT rise comes 3 days after ovulation. The 9th chart shows the discrepancy between LH surge and BBT rise, in which the largest percentage of BBT rise comes 2 days after LH surge. Just food for thought as we are analyzing and possibly disagreeing with FF.

hestia-is-wearie · September 2018

Right now I’m only CM tracking, so by looking at the top left chart, am I correct to assume that one’s last day of fertile CM is slightly more likely to be the day after ovulation?
(edited to rephrase question)

marebear15 · September 2018

@hestia14 - Yes! You are correct. And I love the gif

sparklingdiamond · September 2018

Those that have taken Provera, how long did it typically take you to get AF? I have taken it several times before and almost always got it 3 days after taking it. The last time I took it a few months ago I think it took 7 days. I finished my last pill last Monday and still no spotting or anything.

holly321 · September 2018

@sparklingdiamond, I think it took 7 days the last time I took it. If I am remembering correctly, my doctor said to call if nothing happened by 10.

kgg2241 · September 2018

@sparklingdiamond it usually takes me 3 days after the last pill. My Dr. said that same as Holly's. Call if nothing happens after 10 days.

sparklingdiamond · September 2018

@holly321 and @kgg2241 Thanks! Today is day 9. I had one tiny amount of spotting but that's it. Hoping it means it's coming.

alyson4188 · September 2018

Okay this is my first month tracking bbt and I’m wondering if I ovulated later than I initially thought? So I’ve attached a pic of my bbt chart. The last yellow day is the day after the day I think I ovulated based on my bbt going up but where the green X is I actually got a solid smiley face on the clear blue digital opk. Also, the second attached picture is a first response opk and the line is still dark. I’m wondering if I actually ovulated a little later? I’m just trying to figure all of this out.

marebear15 · September 2018

@alyson4188 - I'd say somewhere between the 23rd and 25th, based on temps alone.

holly321 · September 2018

@alyson4188, I agree with @marebear15, especially when you add in the CM.

zamoraspin · September 2018

Is it normal to have fertile seeming CM while on the BCP? On CD1 of this cycle I started BCP (Isibloom, which is an estrogen and progestin pill) at the direction of my clinic to keep my ovaries quieted down until stims on 9/14. I'm having some fertile seeming CM... and also ovarian pain that I normally associate with ovulation on and off but that's been going on since a few days in. I'm going in for baseline Thursday.

meatballs37 · September 2018

@zamora_spin when I was on the pill I definitely still had fertile CM.

nmbrcrnchr1 · September 2018

For those who like to chart stalk, do you agree with FF? +OPK both in AM and PM on CD14. OPK on morning of CD15 still had a 2nd line but it wasn’t as dark as the control line (wondfos). I am leaning more towards CD14, but....

mamanbebe · September 2018

I think I agree with FF since the rise from 14 to 15 is so minute. Also if Opks detecting the rise in LH prior to O, then that makes sense.

prpl11butterfly · September 2018

@nmbrcrnchr1 I agree with you at CD14. The past 2 cycles mine have been very slight increases on 1dpo (actually just like yours). And based on O pain and changes to my CM, I'm quite sure of when O is.

meatballs37 · September 2018

I agree with FF. My chart last month looked very similar with a small rise after my first positive opk. But gosh, you just never know with temping. FC for you!

chichiphin · September 2018

Hi guys - I'm wondering if I discard two temps or just let the pattern happen. I can't think of any real reason as to why these two temps are so much higher.
Char 1 - with all temps

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Chart 2 - discarded two temps

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lulu1180 · September 2018

@chichiphin It's generally recommended not to discard temps because you are looking for the overall pattern, and one or two errant temps don't usually affect that. What are the open circles for? Did you temp at the same time on the days with open circles?

chichiphin · September 2018

@lulu1180 all temps on my chart are taken within the same 2 hr block - between 5am & 6:45am (latest). It goes 5am, 5am, 6:20am, 5:15am, 6:45am, 5:45am

crookshanks10 · September 2018

Those temps are open circles because they weren't taken at your usual temp time. I would leave them. You really aren't concerned with just one or two temps, but the overall pattern.

lulu1180 · September 2018

@chichiphin I'm assuming those 2 high temps were the ones taken at 6:20 and 6:45. That's why the temps are higher (and also why they're an open circle). I believe temps need to be taken within 15 minutes of what FF recognizes (or you set) as your normal time.

rikiteacup · September 2018

@chichiphin are you temping orally or vaginally?

chichiphin · September 2018

@lulu1180 oh okay. I thought the window could be a little larger than that. I'll keep the temps for now and target closer to 5:45 each morning.

@rikiteacup orally

mamanbebe · September 2018

@chichiphin I was deep diving on temp time this morning because I woke up at 4am. According to the Kindara knowledge base, stick within a 30 min window of a given time (6:30am in my scenario). They wrote that temps usually vary .01-.05 per 30 min in either direction (decrease for earlier, increase for later), which would explain the extreme peaks and dips on your chart. They also wrote that some people will correct the early or late temp (between .01-.05) if they had to temp outside of the range, so that they do not have to mark it out as questionable.

rikiteacup · September 2018

@chichiphin I would temp vaginally. Your temps will be more stable. And also try to temp around the same time. I set FF to 6:30am so if I temp anywhere between 6:00AM to 7:00AM it will give me full circles.

holly321 · September 2018

Is it concerning to have several days of positive opks?

harrierwife · September 2018

holly321 said:

Is it concerning to have several days of positive opks?

Not necessarily. Do you know what your temps look like? And how many days is several? More than 4 or 5?

chichiphin · September 2018

holly321 said:

Is it concerning to have several days of positive opks?

Digital or cheapies? I hear about it all the time with digitals. Cheapies tho - I’m not sure. I also know that my track record with knowing what a true positive on a cheapie looks like is pretty bad. I think the test lines supposed to be way darker than the control to be a true positive?

holly321 · September 2018

They are cheapies, lines are way darker and this is day 3. Usually, my surge is slow to rise once it is positive, I O quickly. My temps are still low. I am a bit crampy today, but don’t have the full? feeling I get when I O.

holly321 · September 2018

Another question, I have it in my head that anti inflammatoriea are bad while ttc, but am not sure if I am making that up. My obgyn had me stop all my autoimmune meds and I stopped them too, but spent the day in the sun and already feel like crap. But Wednesday is his surgery day, so I can’t call.
I know long term use can suppress ovulation, but wasn’t sure about occasional use.

mamanbebe · September 2018

I recall that they are always bad for women ttc and esp in ivf they do not allow you to take.

nmbrcrnchr1 · September 2018

I’m almost done with my current bottle of PNVs, any recommendations on brands you ladies use?

meatballs37 · September 2018

I switched to the pink stork brand this cycle. So far they seem alright.

mamanbebe · September 2018

I just switched to Garden of Life mykind organics gummy because I needed something without Iron -- I went back to taking Iron separately again. I chatted with someone at Natural Grocers about choices and she said to aim for one that is whole food based vitamins (versus the isolated nutrients) because your body can process them better.

suzycupcake · September 2018

+1 for Garden of Life. I use the raw prenatal specifically.

Eta: @mamanbebe Why do you take iron separately? I've thought of doing that myself.

mamanbebe · September 2018

@suzycupcake I started taking the MegaFood iron supplement over the summer because my blood panel came back borderline anemic. I was doing really well on it, but when I stopped taking it to switch to an all-in-one pnv w/ iron, my pulse became weak again (at acupuncture) and the bad stress symptoms reappeared. My assumption is that I wasn't absorbing the iron in the all in one, for whatever reason. So, I'm back on MegaFood, also taking separate vitamin D drops. I'm determine to find a combo that works!

prpl11butterfly · September 2018

I just started with the Upspring gummies+ soft gel. Not bad. I tried the Smarty Pants Prenatal complete but couldn't handle the banana flavored gummies. Bleh....

coco2787 · September 2018

mamanbebe said:

@suzycupcake I started taking the MegaFood iron supplement over the summer because my blood panel came back borderline anemic. I was doing really well on it, but when I stopped taking it to switch to an all-in-one pnv w/ iron, my pulse became weak again (at acupuncture) and the bad stress symptoms reappeared. My assumption is that I wasn't absorbing the iron in the all in one, for whatever reason. So, I'm back on MegaFood, also taking separate vitamin D drops. I'm determine to find a combo that works!

@mamanbebe the problem with multivitamins if you have an iron issue is that since it's a multivitamin it typically also has calcium in it, and calcium blocks the absorption of iron. MegaFood Baby and Me 2 does not have calcium in it (I assume for that reason) so is a good vitamin for people who need to make sure they're getting enough iron. If you're concerned about calcium just take a separate pill at a different time of day.

harrierwife · September 2018

coco2787 said:

mamanbebe said:

@suzycupcake I started taking the MegaFood iron supplement over the summer because my blood panel came back borderline anemic. I was doing really well on it, but when I stopped taking it to switch to an all-in-one pnv w/ iron, my pulse became weak again (at acupuncture) and the bad stress symptoms reappeared. My assumption is that I wasn't absorbing the iron in the all in one, for whatever reason. So, I'm back on MegaFood, also taking separate vitamin D drops. I'm determine to find a combo that works!

@mamanbebe the problem with multivitamins if you have an iron issue is that since it's a multivitamin it typically also has calcium in it, and calcium blocks the absorption of iron. MegaFood Baby and Me 2 does not have calcium in it (I assume for that reason) so is a good vitamin for people who need to make sure they're getting enough iron. If you're concerned about calcium just take a separate pill at a different time of day.

Seconding this. I started taking Baby and Me 2 last week for these very reasons. Plus, there's Folate instead of Folic Acid.

I've been trying really hard to get most of my vitamins from foods.

jrm_14 · September 2018

@holly321 Occassional use is fine per my RE & Rheumotologist. They like me to minimize use during TWW. I

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