@hollieileen@ivyvines6 yes! That goes in the same category for me as taking a pro-life stance, but not wanting the help the mother/baby once the child is born.
^^^^ THIS IS MY SOAPBOX. I don't feel like I fit in what is identified as "pro-life" or "pro-choice". And that isn't what my soapbox is over. People have beliefs and reasons for having them. My issue comes in what "pro-life" really means. Most people that think they're "pro-life" are really "pro-birth".... they don't think about what happens to the quality of "life" once the birth is complete. And if you are "pro-birth" (incorrectly generally called "pro-life") I hope you're doing something to help support the babies that are born to parents that can't or won't care for them (foster/adoptive parent, community program advocate/volunteer, financial donor, etc.).
Married DH : 7/7/12; 3 fur babies (2 dogs and 1 cat) DS born 9/3/13; DD born 7/22/15; LO due 5/28/18 FS (age 5) and FD (age 2) to become AS/AD very soon!
@ivyvines6 exactly! I started dancing in middle school/high school and we would help each other stretch to try to get to splits (not forcing just helping to balance while you relaxed into the stretch) I am not a flexible person. Had they done that to me they probably would have dislocated my hip! I can't imagine doing it to younger kids, but like you said, at that point at least they're still stretchy and flexible. Apparently there were at least 7 other videos from that same camp season, but I think she was the only one who was willing to release it. She sounds like she's so panicked and in so much pain... killed me to watch it...
Angel Babies 1&2 2/14/09 DS born 3/11 Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!! divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started) Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!! Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18 TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
There is talk of introducing a bill to ban or regulate "bump stocks".
Twelve of the rifles the gunman in the Las Vegas mass shooting had in his 32nd-floor hotel room were each modified with a “bump stock,” an attachment that enables a semiautomatic rifle to fire faster.
The device replaces a rifle’s standard stock, which is the part held against the shoulder. It frees the weapon to slide back and forth rapidly, harnessing the energy from the kickback shooters feel when the weapon fires. The stock “bumps” back and forth between the shooter’s shoulder and trigger finger, causing the rifle to rapidly fire again and again. The shooter holds his or her trigger finger in place, while maintaining forward pressure on the barrel and backward pressure on the pistol grip while firing.
...“Bump-fire stocks, while simulating automatic fire, do not actually alter the firearm to fire automatically, making them legal under current federal law.”
I had no idea these existed but I can't think of any practical reason they should be legal.
@sandbar517 yes to the one off posts in the US thread. Who are you?
I have no real solutions to our gun control problems, but I know it is a problem and I feel Congress has not done much. I am in Missouri and we have actually gone backward in gun control and permits and you all know the correlation to the state we are in right now. I have the biggest problem with person to person gun sales. The fact that a private gun sale needs no record or checks sickens me, and I grew up in a home with an avid hunter who believes in the complete opposite. We have always had a gun safe and took classes and I still will not fight for someone to have a gun.
I don't participate in HBDB for a personal reason. When I had DS I had a traumatic experience with some family members. I posted about it and all of a sudden, some random white knight showed up and said they hope they never had a DIL like me. I did not keep the fact I was on the Bump private, and I am a much more private person now on here because of it.
UO- I don't take bump photos weekly or even monthly. Or even by trimester...
@heelsidehero Is there a particular reason why? I'm just curious. This is such a special time to document!
Married DH : 7/7/12; 3 fur babies (2 dogs and 1 cat) DS born 9/3/13; DD born 7/22/15; LO due 5/28/18 FS (age 5) and FD (age 2) to become AS/AD very soon!
@mommabmb exactly. I don't see them lining up to adopt the babies. I'm pro choice. Would I ever have an abortion? No. But it is NOT my right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body because of my beliefs on mine.
I really love hearing everyone's different thoughts and opinions on threads like this. I loving being able to look at things in new ways and different lights. Y'all rock.
@mommabmb exactly. I don't see them lining up to adopt the babies. I'm pro choice. Would I ever have an abortion? No. But it is NOT my right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body because of my beliefs on mine.
I really love hearing everyone's different thoughts and opinions on threads like this. I loving being able to look at things in new ways and different lights. Y'all rock.
To be perfectly I have been saying since I gave birth to J that I would have an abortion if I ever got pregnant again before the allotted time but the second I saw the line on the test I knew I couldn't do that. Given how strongly I immediately felt about this baby I don't think I could go through with one in practice unless the circumstances were dire...
I am pro-choice until around the 32 week mark because at that point you might as will just suck it up and go through with it, and even if a child is born at that point there is still a good possibility that they can be saved by a NICU. I grew up in a very staunch antiabortion family and it always upsets them whenever we have conversations about this because now that I've been pregnant I would NEVER force that on another person. I have friends who have had to terminate due to fetal abnormalities and my family thinks they are terrible for not trusting God's plan. (Don't get me started)
As a side note... What does it say about people who think that a woman should have to give birth because they had sex? A baby is not a punishment for sex. Period.
UO- I don't take bump photos weekly or even monthly. Or even by trimester...
@heelsidehero Is there a particular reason why? I'm just curious. This is such a special time to document!
I don't feel the need to document or look back at a picture of a bump and how much it grew in a week. I'm not opposed to being in pictures with a bump, but what am I going to do with 36 weeks worth of pictures of my belly?
My issue is with this whole oh there's no point in banning guns because people will just find a way to get them. You can say the exact same thing about so many other aspects in society but somehow it just doesn't work for anything other than gun control...
This is probably really unpopular but I think the male sex should not be able to vote on the matter of pro life/pro choice. i know, that's "not fair" or "unequal." But so is pregnancy, labor, and breastfeeding. The idea of men having the right to vote on my body is infuriating to me. I realize it's a moot point today but there it is.
@zaclina I used to think that as well, but I've started thinking about the men that find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy and want to keep and raise the baby, even willing to be a single dad. When that Mom wants to have an abortion he has no say in it and I wonder if that's fair.
@charlestonchew sadly, even if they have the right to vote on it, they still dont have any final say
Angel Babies 1&2 2/14/09 DS born 3/11 Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!! divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started) Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!! Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18 TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
I don't think men should be allowed to have butts. They just don't use them responsibly. I have dated men who had streaks in their underwear the first time I looked at their laundry. They don't understand that you shouldn't push out a fart. Their poop smells 1000 times worse than a woman's poop. I don't want some naked man's butt in my bed. Wear some underwear to catch your fart particles! I can't take it anymore.
I hate prenatal vitamins in gummy form. I'd rather swallow 10 horse pills a day or have an injection daily over eating these gummies my RE highly suggested I take. They make me gag and it's getting harder and harder to eat 6.
@izza2 that was my exact thought! Most of my family hunts and I would say 50% of the protein I consume was hunted (or fished) by my husband, uncles, or family friends. So, sorry, I can't agree with the "no guns for anyone" argument. Hunting is a way of life for some people, especially lower income people in rural areas. Additionally, hunting plays a huge role in environmental conservation and wildlife management.
And for whoever shot back about bows being harder to hunt with and that its ironic they prefer guns. She didnt meant just harder to take home game, she meant much harder to get a clean kill. This doesnt mean less animals are hunted, just means theres a likelihood of the animal suffering. If you attend any basic hunters safety course you will learn that a true sportsman does not "enjoy" killing another animal. (in fact my husband does not hunt big game because he just doesn't feel comfortable with it, but he is a new hunter).They appreciate that animals life and sacrifice, so that they can feed their family. That being said, I would MUCH rather eat meat that was hunted since I know for a fact that the animal lived a great, free range life, and died a quick and painless death (since I only eat meat from skilled and caring hunters). Imagine the life of a cow on a cattle ranch, sleeping in its own manure and slaughtered in an assembly line, versus a deer that has lived roaming the wild its while life, killed by a single quick bullet. So that being said, yes, I do not want everyone out there hunting with bows. It is incredibly difficult and time consuming to become skilled enough at bow hunting to consistently get a clean and quick kill (which is the number 2 goal in hunting aside from overall safety). End rant....I could go on for days.
Also, @ivyvines6 yes!!! So tired of people thinking owning a gun is a right, but getting life saving medical care is not. and don't even get me started on pro-life people not wanting to support parents and child once born. Makes me sick.
I don't think men should be allowed to have butts. They just don't use them responsibly. I have dated men who had streaks in their underwear the first time I looked at their laundry. They don't understand that you shouldn't push out a fart. Their poop smells 1000 times worse than a woman's poop. I don't want some naked man's butt in my bed. Wear some underwear to catch your fart particles! I can't take it anymore.
@izza2 that was my exact thought! Most of my family hunts and I would say 50% of the protein I consume was hunted (or fished) by my husband, uncles, or family friends. So, sorry, I can't agree with the "no guns for anyone" argument. Hunting is a way of life for some people, especially lower income people in rural areas. Additionally, hunting plays a huge role in environmental conservation and wildlife management.
I definitely respect this side of the argument. I live in a semi rural area (no, not enough to be considered actually rural) but hunting is a huge deal here. Loads of people hunt for their own meat for the year around here, and it wouldn't make sense to take that away from them.
@charlestonchew I agree to an extent about that the man should have some say in the decision. However, in the end....the womans choice trumps the mans choice. Because no woman should be either A) forced into an abortion or B ) forced into a pregnancy just because that the is the fathers desire/choice. In the end it is still her body.
I live in Canada, obviously we have much stricter gun control than the US and people still hunt here. People hunt a lot actually, especially in rural areas, and gun control doesn't prevent that. So I don't see that argument against gun control at all. You don't need an automatic weapon to bring down a deer!
I honestly look at the big debate happening in the US and don't understand it. All these ideas of being safer because you'll have "good guys with guns" just aren't borne out on the evidence. Canadians and Americans are so similar culturally, and yet the rates of gun violence are exponentially higher in the US. You aren't just somehow more violent people by nature, so it must have to do with the looser regulations. I honestly can't see any other possible explanation. How can people think they're safer when in reality you have way way way more people dying, not less?? It just seems so obvious to me.
Now for my UO on the abortion issue! I get a serious eyeroll on when people say it's "unfair" that men don't get a say in an abortion. Well it's also unfair that I have to suffer through 6 weeks of IVF, and now 13+ weeks of nausea, and then being as big as a house and going through labour to have the baby, and all my DH had to do was jizz in a cup. Women didn't decide to be the only ones who can carry babies, but since we are, we're also the only ones who can decide not to. There's no point trying to blame the law makers for it, that's just mother nature!
@thunderberry FWIW, most of the time when gun control is discussed here in the US, it seems to be an all or nothing thing. We can keep them as is now, or no one gets them (even for hunting) Obviously nothing has come of the discussions, but that's why so many of us who own or whose family owns for hunting get a little defensive. It's never discussed in enough detail (at least to the public) to address how it could still continue for hunters like it does in Canada.
Angel Babies 1&2 2/14/09 DS born 3/11 Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!! divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started) Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!! Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18 TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
@ladystinson exactly! people who suggest "no guns period" are being just an unrealistic as people saying thay we dont need stricter gun control. There has to be somewhere in the middle we can meet
I don't think men should be allowed to have butts. They just don't use them responsibly. I have dated men who had streaks in their underwear the first time I looked at their laundry. They don't understand that you shouldn't push out a fart. Their poop smells 1000 times worse than a woman's poop. I don't want some naked man's butt in my bed. Wear some underwear to catch your fart particles! I can't take it anymore.
Omg, this just cracked me up more than you know. Thank you @Shima42
@firefliesandfjords - I don't believe it is possible to accidentally report someone. Last time I reported a troll a box popped up after I hit report to ask details for why it was report worthy. So it's not just a one click deal.
I always feel so lame reading this thread. Like, I'm sure I'm controversial AF in real life, but I come here and can't think of one comment to stir the pot. #fail
I hate the terms DD, DS, and DH. I don't want to use real names yet, but I can't stand the "dear" part. Just going to use H and the toddler from now on.
I hate the terms DD, DS, and DH. I don't want to use real names yet, but I can't stand the "dear" part. Just going to use H and the toddler from now on.
My UO opinion is that DH and I consider the political party we are most closely aligned with to be libertarian, so both sides typically hate us. *shrugs*
I hate the terms DD, DS, and DH. I don't want to use real names yet, but I can't stand the "dear" part. Just going to use H and the toddler from now on.
Omg I feel exactly the same way but use them anyway because I don't know what else to say and I'm a follower
I hate the terms DD, DS, and DH. I don't want to use real names yet, but I can't stand the "dear" part. Just going to use H and the toddler from now on.
@justsuzie I personally do not know anyone who doesn't use all of the animal. However, no one I know are "trophy hunters." Now the ridiculous people hunting lions and bears just for the trophy.... yeah they can go f*** themselves.
Re: UO 10/5
DS born 9/3/13; DD born 7/22/15; LO due 5/28/18
FS (age 5) and FD (age 2) to become AS/AD very soon!
DS born 3/11
Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!!
divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started)
Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!!
Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18
TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
The device replaces a rifle’s standard stock, which is the part held against the shoulder. It frees the weapon to slide back and forth rapidly, harnessing the energy from the kickback shooters feel when the weapon fires. The stock “bumps” back and forth between the shooter’s shoulder and trigger finger, causing the rifle to rapidly fire again and again. The shooter holds his or her trigger finger in place, while maintaining forward pressure on the barrel and backward pressure on the pistol grip while firing.
...“Bump-fire stocks, while simulating automatic fire, do not actually alter the firearm to fire automatically, making them legal under current federal law.”
@sandbar517 yes to the one off posts in the US thread. Who are you?
I don't participate in HBDB for a personal reason. When I had DS I had a traumatic experience with some family members. I posted about it and all of a sudden, some random white knight showed up and said they hope they never had a DIL like me. I did not keep the fact I was on the Bump private, and I am a much more private person now on here because of it.
Is there a particular reason why? I'm just curious. This is such a special time to document!
DS born 9/3/13; DD born 7/22/15; LO due 5/28/18
FS (age 5) and FD (age 2) to become AS/AD very soon!
@mommabmb exactly. I don't see them lining up to adopt the babies. I'm pro choice. Would I ever have an abortion? No. But it is NOT my right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body because of my beliefs on mine.
I really love hearing everyone's different thoughts and opinions on threads like this. I loving being able to look at things in new ways and different lights. Y'all rock.
I am pro-choice until around the 32 week mark because at that point you might as will just suck it up and go through with it, and even if a child is born at that point there is still a good possibility that they can be saved by a NICU. I grew up in a very staunch antiabortion family and it always upsets them whenever we have conversations about this because now that I've been pregnant I would NEVER force that on another person. I have friends who have had to terminate due to fetal abnormalities and my family thinks they are terrible for not trusting God's plan. (Don't get me started)
As a side note... What does it say about people who think that a woman should have to give birth because they had sex? A baby is not a punishment for sex. Period.
i know, that's "not fair" or "unequal." But so is pregnancy, labor, and breastfeeding. The idea of men having the right to vote on my body is infuriating to me. I realize it's a moot point today but there it is.
DS born 3/11
Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!!
divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started)
Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!!
Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18
TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
They make me gag and it's getting harder and harder to eat 6.
And for whoever shot back about bows being harder to hunt with and that its ironic they prefer guns. She didnt meant just harder to take home game, she meant much harder to get a clean kill. This doesnt mean less animals are hunted, just means theres a likelihood of the animal suffering. If you attend any basic hunters safety course you will learn that a true sportsman does not "enjoy" killing another animal. (in fact my husband does not hunt big game because he just doesn't feel comfortable with it, but he is a new hunter).They appreciate that animals life and sacrifice, so that they can feed their family. That being said, I would MUCH rather eat meat that was hunted since I know for a fact that the animal lived a great, free range life, and died a quick and painless death (since I only eat meat from skilled and caring hunters). Imagine the life of a cow on a cattle ranch, sleeping in its own manure and slaughtered in an assembly line, versus a deer that has lived roaming the wild its while life, killed by a single quick bullet. So that being said, yes, I do not want everyone out there hunting with bows. It is incredibly difficult and time consuming to become skilled enough at bow hunting to consistently get a clean and quick kill (which is the number 2 goal in hunting aside from overall safety). End rant....I could go on for days.
Also, @ivyvines6 yes!!! So tired of people thinking owning a gun is a right, but getting life saving medical care is not. and don't even get me started on pro-life people not wanting to support parents and child once born. Makes me sick.
I definitely respect this side of the argument. I live in a semi rural area (no, not enough to be considered actually rural) but hunting is a huge deal here. Loads of people hunt for their own meat for the year around here, and it wouldn't make sense to take that away from them.
Yess love the controversial topics on here today!
I live in Canada, obviously we have much stricter gun control than the US and people still hunt here. People hunt a lot actually, especially in rural areas, and gun control doesn't prevent that. So I don't see that argument against gun control at all. You don't need an automatic weapon to bring down a deer!
I honestly look at the big debate happening in the US and don't understand it. All these ideas of being safer because you'll have "good guys with guns" just aren't borne out on the evidence. Canadians and Americans are so similar culturally, and yet the rates of gun violence are exponentially higher in the US. You aren't just somehow more violent people by nature, so it must have to do with the looser regulations. I honestly can't see any other possible explanation. How can people think they're safer when in reality you have way way way more people dying, not less?? It just seems so obvious to me.
Now for my UO on the abortion issue! I get a serious eyeroll on when people say it's "unfair" that men don't get a say in an abortion. Well it's also unfair that I have to suffer through 6 weeks of IVF, and now 13+ weeks of nausea, and then being as big as a house and going through labour to have the baby, and all my DH had to do was jizz in a cup. Women didn't decide to be the only ones who can carry babies, but since we are, we're also the only ones who can decide not to. There's no point trying to blame the law makers for it, that's just mother nature!
DS born 3/11
Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!!
divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started)
Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!!
Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18
TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
@firefliesandfjords - I don't believe it is possible to accidentally report someone. Last time I reported a troll a box popped up after I hit report to ask details for why it was report worthy. So it's not just a one click deal.
The TSA sucks.
So does the war on drugs.
Anti death penalty.
I am anti-hunting unless you are skinning and eating the entire animal and using every part so that the life wasn't taken for no reason.
I am anti-gun because that's just who I am. Too many accidental shootings I've read about.
I have no bump and look the same as I did 2 months ago except with some extra fluff around the sides. So when I "pop" I might take a few pics.
I do appreciate how calmly this gun discussion is going.