@cups4 I'm not a fan either, its just always been used so I used it too
@justsuzie I completely understand where you're coming from. I cannot stand people who hunt just for sport or a trophy. I personally don't actually hunt, but my dad, 2 uncles, FIL, GrandFil and a bunch of friends do and my grandfather did before he passed, and I help with the processing and butchering. We use all the meat between our families (they only shoot what we are going to use) The.... innards.... are either put at the wood line to feed vultures in the area or donated to one of our state parks that rehabs/houses un-releasable birds of prey so they can use it to feed their vultures. My one uncle has a friend that turns the hides into blankets/coats/shoes/etc and the bones are usually sent to the same type of place where they are used to make something, I can't remember what honestly. A lot of local parks and nature centers are thrilled to have the bones, especially the skulls because they use them to educate game wardens/park staff on how to age deer, signs of the health of the population and signs of poaching. We try our best to respect the animal and be grateful for all that it is giving to us and use in the best way that we are able. I will never forget, a few years ago, my dad's freezer went out over a weekend (it's in a storage garage next to their house) and he didn't realize until the meat had thawed and spoiled. There wasn't much left at that point because we were approaching hunting season, but I swear he was tearing up as he was cleaning it out.
Angel Babies 1&2 2/14/09 DS born 3/11 Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!! divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started) Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!! Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18 TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
@justsuzie I personally do not know anyone who doesn't use all of the animal. However, no one I know are "trophy hunters." Now the ridiculous people hunting lions and bears just for the trophy.... yeah they can go f*** themselves.
Omg I totally didn't think I'd be yelling fuck yes at my phone. I'm 100% on the same page as you ladies who favor/demand further fun control. My husband moved here from England where No one- not even cops- carry guns and he HATES them here.
I so wish we lived in a gun free society.
Can't think of an UO at the moment.
*Married 7/29/11 BFP 10/2/13, EDD 6/3/14 Gave birth to my beautiful son, Owen Robert on 6/4/14! BFP #2 8/28/15, EDD 5/5/16
@CraftyG, @charlestonchew: thank you and I get it... It's not fair. Maybe it's books like The Handmaids Tale (which I've loved for 10-15 years) that make me say "oh hell no."
So late to the game but my UO is I think birth plans are stupid.... my birth "plan" has always been get the baby and me out alive and we are good to go... no matter what that means inbetween.
So late to the game but my UO is I think birth plans are stupid.... my birth "plan" has always been get the baby and me out alive and we are good to go... no matter what that means inbetween.
My OB asked my birth plan last pregnancy. I said "get the babies out safely and save me last if something happens". She thought I was joking because so many women have extensive plans now.
I'm going to have a much more detailed birth plan this time. Didn't need it the first time because my midwife was there the whole time. However here, once I check into the hospital, they don't call the midwife to come out until you're actually ready to deliver. So second time my midwife had authorized some things verbally but the nurses weren't complying. So we're going to get it in writing and signed off this time.
So late to the game but my UO is I think birth plans are stupid.... my birth "plan" has always been get the baby and me out alive and we are good to go... no matter what that means inbetween.
My OB asked my birth plan last pregnancy. I said "get the babies out safely and save me last if something happens". She thought I was joking because so many women have extensive plans now.
I feel like a birth plan is necessary if you're seeking a no intervention/non medicated birth, but outside of that? It's probably unnecessary. Most of my birth plan went out the window because I was induced. I won't have one with this midwife. I've found someone that I can trust to just go with the flow and not feel the need to micromanage every minute detail.
Just for clarity's sake, I'm going to talk extremely positive about the benefits of an non medicated/"natural" birth during our time here together, BUT I don't think that's right for everyone, and it's not my place to force my OPINIONS on everyone here. I'm 1000% for birth choices, even if they are not my own.
I've had one fully unmedicated birth, and one attempted. Have zero regrets getting meds for that one, it was necessary. To each their own. But if you do go for unmedicated birth, you will be more likely to be successful with preparation.
My OB for my DD asked me my birth plan. I was like uhhh aren't you supposed to tell me? You're the doctor. But if I were to do it unmedicated that would totally be different. Props to you who do it but give me all the mess.
I think the value of writing a birth plan is not so much that everything will go exactly as you hoped, but more as a good way for you to be forced to sit down and learn about every possibility and think through (before it is urgently happening) how you might want to handle it all. I get really frustrated with people who say "I'll just trust my body and my doctor" and then learn nothing about the process. It's like, how well would that go for doing anything else the first time?
I was absolutely going to say what @pearlvirus said. It's a good idea to know your options and decide what's really right for you. I wouldn't say I had a birth plan, per se, with my girls, but my experience with their birth definitely showed me things I definitely want and don't want for this birth. Things to think about for FTM-who do you want in the room with you? Do you want to explore water birth/birthing ball, etc? Are there positions you think you would be more comfortable pushing in? Do you want meds/epidural? Are you okay with forceps/vacuum being used? Do you want to see/hold your baby as soon as it's born? (I didn't get to see/hold either of my babies until more than an hour after they were born, and I'm still pissed about it to this day) Does your partner want to cut the cord? We all know there's a good chance that things won't go the way you planned, but what if it is able to go the way you planned, and you didn't plan anything?
Me, 35 Hubs, 32 Married June 2012 BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013 BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014 BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
For me being fully educated on all possible situations and options during birth is power. Qualified and trustworthy providers paired with educated patients is truly a plan for success.
My birth plan was unnecessary last time because my labor was so quick, but it gave me comfort to know I understood my options. I’ll probably reuse the same birth plan this time around.
Ok, my pregnancy brain is bad this morning. Which thread were you all talking about dogs and how people say you won't like them anymore after you have a baby? I can't seem to find it for the life of me, but I wanted to chime in. Another UO for me is when people compare dogs to babies. It makes me so ragey when my best friend, who has chosen to not have children, talks to me as if she *totally* understands what I'm going through because her dog "is just like a toddler". Um, no. You can leave your dog unattended for hours on end by himself. You will never feel the joy of watching your dog take his first steps. You will never know what it's like to hear your dog come up to you, say I love you mommy, and wrap their arms around you. You didn't have to wake up every 2-3 hours for months on end to feed and change your dog. You didn't have your dog hanging off your boob (or in your arms with a bottle) multiple times a day for a year (give or take). You don't have to worry about what kind of dog your dog will be when he grows up. I know people think they love dogs like a child, but they don't. And they don't realize it because they've never had a child. And while I'm on my soapbox, it makes me absolutely livid when people compare losing a dog to losing a child. It's so patronizing, and minimizes what people feel when they go through infant and child loss. Sorry. End rant. I'm off to lurk April and June drama now.
Me, 35 Hubs, 32 Married June 2012 BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013 BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014 BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
I just want to chime in and say that just because someone doesn't have a birth plan, doesn't mean they don't know all of their options or know what the possibilities are. We had talks with my numerous doctors about what could and what should happen. We also attended a hospital birthing class that showed us more information. With all of that knowledge, we still decided we didn't care how our twins came out as long as they were safe. If birthing plans are your thing, that's great, but they definitely don't need to everyone's.
@suchaglencoco, I didn't mean to say people without birth plans don't know their options. But I think we could argue that discussing those options with your doctor, is-in a way- a "birth plan".
Me, 35 Hubs, 32 Married June 2012 BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013 BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014 BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
@sandbar517, we could, but honestly I don't feel like getting in a Bump argument today. Especially with an established member who I have no beef with about a subject I'm not really die hard about.
@sandbar517 that was me talking about dogs on WTF Wednesday. Yes I love my dogs but I definitely wouldn’t compare them to a child. For one thing, I have never lost a child so I have no idea what that is like but I would imagine there’s nothing in the world that could compare. Just based off the fact that it’s not natural alone. I mean you expect at some point you will outlive your grandparents or parents (and obviously dogs because you know mathematically when you get them they don’t live as long as people) but you don’t expect to outlive your own child.
Dogs and and babies are not the same. Especially when it comes to loss. For some to insinuate that the loss for both is the same is absolutely insane to me.
@suchaglencoco I wasn't being literal. I just meant it could be argued that discussing options with your doctor is, in some ways, a birth plan. Totally not up for drama between members. Because OMG just read the June 2018 UO. Holy wowsers.
Me, 35 Hubs, 32 Married June 2012 BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013 BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014 BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
@suchaglencoco so you're only against birth plans being put in writing?
Not once did I was I'm against birth plans in writing or any form of birth plan. All I said was my birth plan was to get my child(ren) out safely. I knew all my options and still only cared about my kids being alright. Again, really not looking to argue about this. People do them, I do me, and we all survive.
Yeah, I second the no arguing. Some people think birth plans are wonderful. Some don't think they're important. I personally think they're most important because how will your birth team know what is important to you if you don't tell them? It doesn't matter if they're written or not. We know that there's a good chance that whatever you decide you want may change at any minute based on a whole lot of factors. The end result is always getting baby/ies out safely and keeping mom healthy and safe as well. But if, along the way, you mention to your OB/midwife/birthing team, "I'd really like to hold my baby as soon as it is born, as long as it's medically okay to do so (baby isn't having distress, etc.)" there's nothing wrong with that. A lot of us have had births that didn't quite match up with our expectations, so the best way to combat that is to have a birth plan that can be followed *as much as possible*.
Me, 35 Hubs, 32 Married June 2012 BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013 BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014 BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
Dang it, I'm late to the June '18 party.... but don't think I didn't open it up anyway lol
I can see both sides of the birth plans. I completely understand not doing one or feeling that you don't need one and I think that's awesome. I did one last time because I was really hoping for no epidural (didn't happen) and I wanted to do everything under the sun to avoid a c section (juuuuuuust barely managed that) My mom had terrible back labor and for some reason I just had a feeling that I was going to as well so I wanted to make sure that my thoughts and wishes were written down and coherent in case I was not. I'm glad I did, because my back labor was awful and very very long. In the long run, quite a few things were ignored that would have made my delivery much smoother, but it is what it is and at least I have my son. And this time I'm a much different person who isn't afraid to call them out on their scare tactics and say no, I'm listening to my body (assuming theres no real emergency of course) I personally will do it again, just because to me it feels like making a list so i can look over everything and make sure I don't forget anything, but I'm using a practice that's half drs half midwives this time so I'm hoping it will be less needed.
Angel Babies 1&2 2/14/09 DS born 3/11 Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!! divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started) Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!! Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18 TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
Question- I went in to the hospital to be induced TW birth complications**
(I'm diabetic and they will not let me go past 39 weeks for growth and still birth reasons).
End TW** I had no idea after our $100 birthing class that I would not be able to get out of the bed to bounce on a ball and do the exercises and use the labor tub I reserved because I was hooked up to several IVs (including for strep . Did anyone else have this experience? Just the conversation of birth plans made me wonder if you were hooked up to several IVs if they allowed you to move around. I know I had several other IVs for insulin and pitocin, but I wondered if it was just the IV reason or because I had so many.
@cups4 I had a few IVs for pitocin and I think just regular fluids, and they didn't really let me get up either. But come to think of it, I don't know if I even asked or wanted to get out of bed. Actually, never mind. I also had an epidural, so I'm sure that was why I wasn't allowed out of bed. Duh.
Me, 35 Hubs, 32 Married June 2012 BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013 BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014 BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
@cups4 I was also induced and the first nurse I had made it sound like I had to stay in the bed because of all of the stuff I was hooked up to. But then the second nurse told me I could get up and walk around but just needed someone to move the machines for me. I'm not sure about a tub though since I didn't plan on doing that.
@cups4 I was on saline drip and was allowed to move around (we were not allowed to have a ball even if it had a stationary stand with it, that ticked me off....) but they would make me get back in bed every few minutes to hook back up to the fetal monitors. Once I got the pitocin, I couldn't move in anyway except writhing (back labor and pitocin are torture, and then with the epidural I wasn't even allowed to shift in the bed because they swore I had no feeling in my legs. They were wrong... That night and the next day I was not permitted to shower because they wouldn't take out my iv/saline lock (no drip bag was connected at that point) That part was lovely too. FX things are different this time. I am definitely a different person, and it's a different office so I have to believe it will be different
Angel Babies 1&2 2/14/09 DS born 3/11 Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!! divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started) Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!! Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18 TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
I had a similar experience to @ladystinson. I was allowed to moved around with the saline and they actually encouraged me to walk around to get things going. I had pitocin and back labor and asked for the epidural after I felt like there was no light at the end of the tunnel. Back labor was so much worse than the contractions.
@mileswithmyles omg yes! contractions were a breeze. back labor was the devil lol I could literally feel the moment the pitocin hit because it felt like someone was grabbing my kidneys through my back (with the muscle and skin still attached as well) and twisting them for all they were worth. I begged them not to give it to me but for forced. I know now that they can't force you to do anything. DS wasn't in distress, neither was I (until then. shortly after that point I ended up on oxygen) but they decided that I wasn't progressing fast enough for them. losers. my dr was a dick overall anyway
Angel Babies 1&2 2/14/09 DS born 3/11 Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!! divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started) Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!! Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18 TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
Birth plans- i see nothing wrong with having a birth plan but it’s annoying to me when women refuse to be flexible as things progress. Every birth and baby is different. As long as you and baby are safe, go with the flow!
june 18- anyone else go to their intro board after the UO mentioned not appreciating the lurkers there either?
@lincbeesmom I just finished the June18 UO thread. I completely forgot about the intro thread! Guess I'll be back in another hour lol
Angel Babies 1&2 2/14/09 DS born 3/11 Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!! divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started) Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!! Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18 TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
@lincbeesmomyup! Definitely checked out their intros. In the lurkers' defense, that chick deserved it....saying she was pregnant because she had the symptoms but didnt implant. Hell no.
Re: UO 10/5
@justsuzie I completely understand where you're coming from. I cannot stand people who hunt just for sport or a trophy. I personally don't actually hunt, but my dad, 2 uncles, FIL, GrandFil and a bunch of friends do and my grandfather did before he passed, and I help with the processing and butchering. We use all the meat between our families (they only shoot what we are going to use) The.... innards.... are either put at the wood line to feed vultures in the area or donated to one of our state parks that rehabs/houses un-releasable birds of prey so they can use it to feed their vultures. My one uncle has a friend that turns the hides into blankets/coats/shoes/etc and the bones are usually sent to the same type of place where they are used to make something, I can't remember what honestly. A lot of local parks and nature centers are thrilled to have the bones, especially the skulls because they use them to educate game wardens/park staff on how to age deer, signs of the health of the population and signs of poaching. We try our best to respect the animal and be grateful for all that it is giving to us and use in the best way that we are able. I will never forget, a few years ago, my dad's freezer went out over a weekend (it's in a storage garage next to their house) and he didn't realize until the meat had thawed and spoiled. There wasn't much left at that point because we were approaching hunting season, but I swear he was tearing up as he was cleaning it out.
DS born 3/11
Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!!
divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started)
Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!!
Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18
TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
I so wish we lived in a gun free society.
Can't think of an UO at the moment.
BFP 10/2/13, EDD 6/3/14
Gave birth to my beautiful son, Owen Robert on 6/4/14!
BFP #2 8/28/15, EDD 5/5/16
Just for clarity's sake, I'm going to talk extremely positive about the benefits of an non medicated/"natural" birth during our time here together, BUT I don't think that's right for everyone, and it's not my place to force my OPINIONS on everyone here. I'm 1000% for birth choices, even if they are not my own.
I've had one fully unmedicated birth, and one attempted. Have zero regrets getting meds for that one, it was necessary. To each their own. But if you do go for unmedicated birth, you will be more likely to be successful with preparation.
I literally got a snack to sit down and read June18's fire tonight and It. Was. Worth. It.
Married June 2012
BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013
BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014
BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
My birth plan was unnecessary last time because my labor was so quick, but it gave me comfort to know I understood my options. I’ll probably reuse the same birth plan this time around.
Married June 2012
BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013
BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014
BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
If birthing plans are your thing, that's great, but they definitely don't need to everyone's.
Married June 2012
BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013
BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014
BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
Dogs and and babies are not the same. Especially when it comes to loss. For some to insinuate that the loss for both is the same is absolutely insane to me.
Married June 2012
BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013
BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014
BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
Married June 2012
BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013
BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014
BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
Again, really not looking to argue about this. People do them, I do me, and we all survive.
Married June 2012
BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013
BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014
BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
I can see both sides of the birth plans. I completely understand not doing one or feeling that you don't need one and I think that's awesome. I did one last time because I was really hoping for no epidural (didn't happen) and I wanted to do everything under the sun to avoid a c section (juuuuuuust barely managed that) My mom had terrible back labor and for some reason I just had a feeling that I was going to as well so I wanted to make sure that my thoughts and wishes were written down and coherent in case I was not. I'm glad I did, because my back labor was awful and very very long. In the long run, quite a few things were ignored that would have made my delivery much smoother, but it is what it is and at least I have my son. And this time I'm a much different person who isn't afraid to call them out on their scare tactics and say no, I'm listening to my body (assuming theres no real emergency of course) I personally will do it again, just because to me it feels like making a list so i can look over everything and make sure I don't forget anything, but I'm using a practice that's half drs half midwives this time so I'm hoping it will be less needed.
DS born 3/11
Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!!
divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started)
Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!!
Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18
TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
(I'm diabetic and they will not let me go past 39 weeks for growth and still birth reasons).
End TW** I had no idea after our $100 birthing class that I would not be able to get out of the bed to bounce on a ball and do the exercises and use the labor tub I reserved because I was hooked up to several IVs (including for strep
Married June 2012
BFP June 2013- blighted ovum, D&C Aug 2013
BFP Oct 2013- twins! A&H born May 2014
BFP Aug 2017- EDD 5/8/17
That night and the next day I was not permitted to shower because they wouldn't take out my iv/saline lock (no drip bag was connected at that point) That part was lovely too. FX things are different this time. I am definitely a different person, and it's a different office so I have to believe it will be different
DS born 3/11
Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!!
divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started)
Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!!
Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18
TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
DS born 3/11
Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!!
divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started)
Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!!
Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18
TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!
june 18- anyone else go to their intro board after the UO mentioned not appreciating the lurkers there either?
DS born 3/11
Angel Baby 3 6/28/11 9/5/17 BFP!!
divorced October 2014 9/6/17 hCG 88 progesterone 9.1 (prometrium started)
Married DH 10/15 DH's DS born 6/09 9/8/17 hCG 242!!!
Not preventing since 11/15 EDD 5/8/18 Adjusted 5/15/18
TTC since 1/1/16 9/27/17 we have a heart beat!