I did a rainbow baby group maternity shoot this weekend. All of the participants were pregnant with rainbow babies and then we'll have another shoot once we've all had our babies. I didn't know any of the other moms prior to the shoot. After the shoot, I was creeping the facebook pages of the moms and I discovered one of the moms is strongly anti-vax and believes her older child developed autism from vaccines. Oy. I don't want to drop out of the baby side of the shoot, but I really don't want her non-vaxxed baby near mine either. I still can't believe people believe vaccines cause autism and I can't believe her child's therapists/providers haven't corrected her stance on that.
@NotAPlaya-JustCrushAlot I don't care if people think that vaccines cause autism, I don't believe that at all because I believe science, but if you want to believe a single outdated and disproven paper, then that's your right. My problem is that autism is not the worst thing that could happen to a child. Is Autism worse than the potential death, hospitalisation or the potential death of another child because of your belief that autism is worse?
also I don't understand the complete "anti vax" approach because of autism, isn't it only the MMR vaccine that is supposed to cause it? Why not just skip that one? Why skip all of them?
Me - 22 | DH - 32 | Married - 24 May 2014 DS - January 2014
TTC#2 - December 2015
BFP - 6 March 2016 | MC Confirmed - 21 March 2016 TTCAL | April 2016 CP | June 2016 CP | July 2016
Sigh, my Aunt has now sent me 2 articles regarding Hep B for babies and how it's unnecessary and how her friends baby just wound up in ICU after getting it...
@nda_roxybabe I have to say that I have always been confused about the urgency of Hep B at birth. If mom is negative, I am not sure where the big risk is? I obviously plan to accept it, but if anyone has any research on the necessity/recommendation for administration during the hospital stay, I'd love to see it
@ShadeofGreen816 While I don't think there's an "urgency" the danger is that on a population level there are a ton of mamas who have Hep B and don't know it. Testing during prenatal care is good but not perfect. Vaccination of new babies has been a huge leap forward in the prevention of vertical transmission. That being said, I personally waited to start the Hep B series with DD until her first office visit (2 wks old). I'm planning to have the twins vaccinated before we leave the NICU (aka no delay like last time).
@ShadeofGreen816 While I don't think there's an "urgency" the danger is that on a population level there are a ton of mamas who have Hep B and don't know it. Testing during prenatal care is good but not perfect. Vaccination of new babies has been a huge leap forward in the prevention of vertical transmission. That being said, I personally waited to start the Hep B series with DD until her first office visit (2 wks old). I'm planning to have the twins vaccinated before we leave the NICU (aka no delay like last time).
Thanks. I figured it was something like that. As a nurse I've been tested no less than 5-10 times so I'm confident I'm negative. I may have to do some research about delaying until first peds visit. But I don't need an anti-vax label in our chart!
On the Hep B topic...fun fact: apparently in Canada (or at least Ontario where I live), that's not a thing at birth. According to the immunization schedule little ones don't get the Hep B shot until grade 7 (so roughly age 12).
OMG if one more person uses the "OMG look how long the package insert is!" argument I might go on a killing rampage because the stupid in that argument is out of control. Freak8ng TYLENOL has a longer package insert for prescription strength that the TDAP vaccine. My daughter's Epipen insert is almost twice as big. And most birth control pills are 4 times long. FOUR times! And guess what, those things are mostly safe and effective and save (and in some cases prevent) lives. JUST LIKE VACCINES!
Sure, some people will have horrible reactions to Tylenol. I can't take the one with codeine in it without feeling like I'm knocking on death's door while lurching on my kitchen floor covered in my own vomit, but I'm not a majority. For many, that stuff nicely relieves short term pain so they don't have to endure it by lurching across the kitchen floor covered in vomit. So it's not an excuse!
This post brought to you by some really ragey PG hormones today.
B born 7/15/13, C born 3/2/15, #3 on the way May '17
I’m a modern man, a man for the millennium. Digital and smoke free. A diversified multi-cultural, post-modern deconstruction that is anatomically and ecologically incorrect. I’ve been up linked and downloaded, I’ve been inputted and outsourced, I know the upside of downsizing, I know the downside of upgrading. I’m a high-tech low-life. A cutting edge, state-of-the-art bi-coastal multi-tasker and I can give you a gigabyte in a nanosecond! I’m new wave, but I’m old school and my inner child is outward bound. I’m a hot-wired, heat seeking, warm-hearted cool customer, voice activated and bio-degradable. I interface with my database, my database is in cyberspace, so I’m interactive, I’m hyperactive and from time to time I’m radioactive.
I feel like in the age of the internet it is so important to find a doctor you trust. Be informed and ask questions but at the end of the day if you don't trust your child's pediatrician (or your ob for that matter) to do what's best you should find one you do trust! Im pro vax pro drugs etc. I just don't get people that get all shocked that their pediatrician wants to follow common standards of care and come to argue about everything.
@NotAPlaya-JustCrushAlot You don't happen to belong to the Birth Without Fear group on FB, do you? Not being stalker ish, someone just posted that they did a rainbow baby photo shoot this weekend and I got so confused thinking I had just read that very thing...
B born 7/15/13, C born 3/2/15, #3 on the way May '17
I’m a modern man, a man for the millennium. Digital and smoke free. A diversified multi-cultural, post-modern deconstruction that is anatomically and ecologically incorrect. I’ve been up linked and downloaded, I’ve been inputted and outsourced, I know the upside of downsizing, I know the downside of upgrading. I’m a high-tech low-life. A cutting edge, state-of-the-art bi-coastal multi-tasker and I can give you a gigabyte in a nanosecond! I’m new wave, but I’m old school and my inner child is outward bound. I’m a hot-wired, heat seeking, warm-hearted cool customer, voice activated and bio-degradable. I interface with my database, my database is in cyberspace, so I’m interactive, I’m hyperactive and from time to time I’m radioactive.
I have major thoughts on the vaccines cause autism theory as a mom currently going through an autism diagnosis. Long story short, DS's delays were first noticed/mentioned at 9 months before his MMR vaccine by his neurosurgeon. The pediatrician didn't feel he was delayed enough to mention anything until 15 months.
Follow up: Aunt then urged me to check out "Vaxxed" for more info. Le sigh. Mentioned it to Mom and while she is "pro vaxx" she is also all "Theres so many more vaccines babies get now than they did when you were a baby (87). So I looked up the list last night, or tried to, it doesn't seem that different? Science please? @mdlorenz
Follow up: Aunt then urged me to check out "Vaxxed" for more info. Le sigh. Mentioned it to Mom and while she is "pro vaxx" she is also all "Theres so many more vaccines babies get now than they did when you were a baby (87). So I looked up the list last night, or tried to, it doesn't seem that different? Science please? @mdlorenz
I hate the argument of "there are so many more vaccines." That's GREAT news if there are! There are fewer deadly diseases, too! Isn't there a chicken pox vaccine now? When we were kids everyone got it and you in fact had to TRY to get it so that you wouldn't get it later in life and have it be worse for you. In other words, the 80s version of the chicken pox vaccine was "go ahead and get chicken pox and be miserable and out of school for a long time while you do it. That way it won't be bad later in life if you were to get it." I think that having a shot for that is a huge improvement.
Called the drs office that my husband and I attend, as the baby will go there too and asked a million questions about using them for the baby including their policy on vaccinations. She told me they have discharged families before for not getting their children vaccinated as it is against doctors orders. Made me happy and more comfortable with going there.
I have major thoughts on the vaccines cause autism theory as a mom currently going through an autism diagnosis. Long story short, DS's delays were first noticed/mentioned at 9 months before his MMR vaccine by his neurosurgeon. The pediatrician didn't feel he was delayed enough to mention anything until 15 months.
Everyone has a really hard time with correlation and causation. Symptoms of autism and other mental health disorders often do start to appear in toddlerhood or late infancy when you're getting lots and lots of vaccines. So of course it will appear as though the two things are linked because they are happening close in time.
Reminds me of how DH admitted he clicked on some clickbait the other day that drove him crazy because it was about how miralax "causes" aggression, anger and mood problems in little kids and walked through some case of some little girl taking it and then becoming permanently angry and aggressive. Years ago our pediatrician told us to give DS miralax when he was withholding poop for days and days and causing himself to be constipated. This was just ahead of potty training (we knew he couldn't train if he wouldn't even poop at all.) And sure enough, DS now has mood/anger/aggression problems that started within the year of when he took a lot of miralax. But we know that this is BS and there is a 0% chance the two things are related. It's either a coincidence of timing (mood issues would tend to start to crop up around this age), or perhaps the type of kid who is withholding poop is a kid with some underlying anxiety/mood issues that might end up eventually manifesting the way it did for DS and this other girl from the clickbait article. It just tugs at you even when you know it's BS, because if your kid does have a disorder/diagnosis/issue you're constantly searching for "why," as if that might help you treat the issue.
DH is the most anti-clickbait person I know, so I'm stunned that he clicked on this link in the first place!
@nda_roxybabe The number of diseases that vaccines can help to prevent has increased as researchers have discovered how to promote an immune response against more of them.
Your mother is right that there are far more vaccines available today (yay science!). What shouldn't freak people out is whether that's a safe thing to do (ie. give multiple vaccines in one visit). Our bodies (babies' too!) are exposed to thousands if not millions of antigens (foreign substances ie. bacterial / viral proteins, etc etc) every day. Vaccines are rigorously-tested antigens that have been shown to help our bodies remember what the disease-carrying pathogens "look" like so that the immune system can clear them out before they cause trouble.
The 1989 vaccine schedule is archived here: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/images/schedule1989s.jpg The only 8 diseases that we had vaccines for at that time were: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (DTP vaccine), polio (OPV, or oral polio vaccine), measles, mumps, rubella (MMR vaccine), and haemophilus influenzae / "Hib" (HbCV vaccine).
By 1995, the schedule had changed a tiny bit to this: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00035471.htm The only vaccine that was new was Hep B (as I've mentioned before, a silent infection in lots of mamas that is transmitted vertically during birth and really only got under control in babies after vaccination was started).
Since 1995, the 5 new covered diseases (or newly recommended for more ages including infants) are: rotavirus, pneumonia, influenza, varicella (chicken pox), and hepatitis A (food-bourne, can cause liver failure!).
That brings us to 14 diseases that kiddos under 6 are protected from (or the effects, if the disease is contracted, should be less severe). I really like the 2017 vaccine schedule (first link in this post) because it outlines (on the second page) what the diseases usually manifest as (ie. symptoms) and why we care so damn much about preventing them (ie. the worse-case scenarios).
I have major thoughts on the vaccines cause autism theory as a mom currently going through an autism diagnosis. Long story short, DS's delays were first noticed/mentioned at 9 months before his MMR vaccine by his neurosurgeon. The pediatrician didn't feel he was delayed enough to mention anything until 15 months.
Everyone has a really hard time with correlation and causation. [...]
I have major thoughts on the vaccines cause autism theory as a mom currently going through an autism diagnosis. Long story short, DS's delays were first noticed/mentioned at 9 months before his MMR vaccine by his neurosurgeon. The pediatrician didn't feel he was delayed enough to mention anything until 15 months.
Everyone has a really hard time with correlation and causation. [...]
I wish I had one of those cute "I love you" gifs that people do on this website a lot, @WombThereItIs . I LOVE xkcd! And I never had the chance to say it before but I've loved your signature challenge photo this month for great couples. Arrested Development is one of the best shows of all time!
Anyhow, I show this particular comic to my students in most classes (this topic comes up a lot in psychology) as well as any/all relevant xkcd comics for class, which again, is actually a pretty decent number of them for my field.
Follow up: Aunt then urged me to check out "Vaxxed" for more info. Le sigh. Mentioned it to Mom and while she is "pro vaxx" she is also all "Theres so many more vaccines babies get now than they did when you were a baby (87). So I looked up the list last night, or tried to, it doesn't seem that different? Science please? @mdlorenz
I actually did this the other day, Australia require vaccines given to be kept on record that is now accessible through the internet so I checked out my history vs DS's, he is 3 and has had all of his immunisations, I didn't keep the records but it was a good half an A4 page worth, mine, I had 3 recorded, that's it. But even then I don't think that has to do with being given less in the 90's and more about how records are/were kept in comparison... I may ask my doctor about my records next week to compare the hard copies.
eta: note to self, read rest of replies before commenting, from what was said above DS should receive immunisations for 6 more diseases than I did, which I think is about right from what I read.
Me - 22 | DH - 32 | Married - 24 May 2014 DS - January 2014
TTC#2 - December 2015
BFP - 6 March 2016 | MC Confirmed - 21 March 2016 TTCAL | April 2016 CP | June 2016 CP | July 2016
@PartiallyDomesticated Yea, I'm like hmm well they added chicken pox (good), Hep A (good), etc (good)! Makes sense. We were also discussing how it seems like more people have adverse side effects to vaccines. I don't think they do, I think it's just another joy of our age of technology. There's more ways to publicize that sort of think and make it go viral.
@nda_roxybabe it definetly has more to do with publication of side effects, I mean seeing as we've removed things like mercury, lead and egg from most vaccines I can only imagine that would actually decrease the side effects. kind of like the whole "add/ADHD are more common now, in my day they were just called naughty kids" which is true, but we also know a lot more about the human brain now and how it's supposed to work and what to do when it doesn't do it's job properly and also how to recognise that, So of course more kids are going to be diagnosed with these disorders now or put on the autism spectrum. It's not because these things never existed, but because we know more.
all of this to say that a lot of "vaccine injuries" in the past, wouldn't have been put down to the vaccine and wouldn't have been reported, things like mild allergic reactions, or high fevers would have just been written off as the kid being sick, whereas we now know that it was the vaccine that caused it and report it, doctors are also more thorough keeping records of the adverse reactions now.
just my 2c...
Me - 22 | DH - 32 | Married - 24 May 2014 DS - January 2014
TTC#2 - December 2015
BFP - 6 March 2016 | MC Confirmed - 21 March 2016 TTCAL | April 2016 CP | June 2016 CP | July 2016
@nda_roxybabe it definetly has more to do with publication of side effects, I mean seeing as we've removed things like mercury, lead and egg from most vaccines I can only imagine that would actually decrease the side effects. kind of like the whole "add/ADHD are more common now, in my day they were just called naughty kids" which is true, but we also know a lot more about the human brain now and how it's supposed to work and what to do when it doesn't do it's job properly and also how to recognise that, So of course more kids are going to be diagnosed with these disorders now or put on the autism spectrum. It's not because these things never existed, but because we know more.
all of this to say that a lot of "vaccine injuries" in the past, wouldn't have been put down to the vaccine and wouldn't have been reported, things like mild allergic reactions, or high fevers would have just been written off as the kid being sick, whereas we now know that it was the vaccine that caused it and report it, doctors are also more thorough keeping records of the adverse reactions now.
just my 2c...
Regarding the ADHD thing I would agree that a large part of it is that we know more about the brain and mental illness and we actually treat these things and they are slightly less taboo than they once were. That said, I actually do think that kids are for real more ADHD than they were before, and there are more mood disorders (anxiety mostly) among older kids / young adults (I teach college students so this comes up.) Yes, part of it is increased awareness and diagnosis, but I think there are real reasons we have more of these things. In both cases but especially ADHD I think it is because we make school very academic at a very early age (even before Kindergarten). There is much less "play" and exploration, and that is what kids need, not the academic stuff. Relatedly, I think that addiction to / reliance on screens, devices, etc has changed kids' brains for the worse. Kids are outside less. And as far as anxiety is concerned, we have recently gone through a phase of more helicopter parenting and less self-reliance in late childhood / adolescence (this is also related to the not being outside thing -- kids aren't let out to wander on their own and can only go out with a parent). A lot of things are MUCH safer (kids these days do less drugs, have less sex, communicate with their parents/families more, etc.) but the drawback is that they are more anxious.
Regardless, any mental illness increase has absolutely NOTHING to do with vaccines.
@nda_roxybabe it definetly has more to do with publication of side effects, I mean seeing as we've removed things like mercury, lead and egg from most vaccines I can only imagine that would actually decrease the side effects. kind of like the whole "add/ADHD are more common now, in my day they were just called naughty kids" which is true, but we also know a lot more about the human brain now and how it's supposed to work and what to do when it doesn't do it's job properly and also how to recognise that, So of course more kids are going to be diagnosed with these disorders now or put on the autism spectrum. It's not because these things never existed, but because we know more.
all of this to say that a lot of "vaccine injuries" in the past, wouldn't have been put down to the vaccine and wouldn't have been reported, things like mild allergic reactions, or high fevers would have just been written off as the kid being sick, whereas we now know that it was the vaccine that caused it and report it, doctors are also more thorough keeping records of the adverse reactions now.
just my 2c...
Along the lines of causation, technology, and hysteria. Technology makes it so easy to communicate people's perceptions and experiences, and it's true that a lot of people are quick to publicize their "awful side effects" online. (This doesn't include the discussion earlier about vaccine injury that our own ladies experienced! That's obvi it's own, diff topic!)
What many people are quick to forget is that these so-called crazy-awful side effects (sore arm, tender muscle, red spot, slight fever) are the known adverse effects of vaccine injection---they aren't random rare occurrences. They are publicized in the package inserts or given to the patient in other literature. People are quick to say "what a horrible reaction this is, isn't it awful" and "it made me feel so sick afterward" but fail to acknowledge that the medical staff told them these effects are known and likely to happen. It's not a surprise. It's quite likely. And it's not some horrible experience. It's your body creating antibodies and protecting your future self. Your body is doing its job, and the vax is instigating your body, which is what it's designed to do. It might be annoying to deal with, no doubt, but it's not a decent reason to skip getting an immunization.
@kat81 I totally agree with you regarding the ADHD etc but I was getting too long winded and of topic with it as it was lol. There was a video going around Facebook about it not long ago about how this generation has an increase in mental illness and aren't as "fulfilled" basically because they've always received instant gratification. It received quite a bit of backlash but I agreed with it whole heartedly.
Me - 22 | DH - 32 | Married - 24 May 2014 DS - January 2014
TTC#2 - December 2015
BFP - 6 March 2016 | MC Confirmed - 21 March 2016 TTCAL | April 2016 CP | June 2016 CP | July 2016
I loved Penn and Teller's Bull$h!t. Its funny how many of our parenting decisions came from that show. It used To be on Netflix and we watched every episode.
B born 7/15/13, C born 3/2/15, #3 on the way May '17
I’m a modern man, a man for the millennium. Digital and smoke free. A diversified multi-cultural, post-modern deconstruction that is anatomically and ecologically incorrect. I’ve been up linked and downloaded, I’ve been inputted and outsourced, I know the upside of downsizing, I know the downside of upgrading. I’m a high-tech low-life. A cutting edge, state-of-the-art bi-coastal multi-tasker and I can give you a gigabyte in a nanosecond! I’m new wave, but I’m old school and my inner child is outward bound. I’m a hot-wired, heat seeking, warm-hearted cool customer, voice activated and bio-degradable. I interface with my database, my database is in cyberspace, so I’m interactive, I’m hyperactive and from time to time I’m radioactive.
I loved Penn and Teller's Bull$h!t. Its funny how many of our parenting decisions came from that show. It used To be on Netflix and we watched every episode.
...and this is why anti-vaxxers are extremely selfish. One thing that is "wrong" about this Penn & Teller simulation is that the groups are separate. In reality, we all live together. The wall that is put up by the people who vaccinate ends up largely protecting the people who do not vaccinate. So they get to feel as though they're protected from autism (which is obviously complete bullshit because this has been proven false time and again and even the original guy said he faked the data), but they also get the benefit of other people's immunity. Completely and totally selfish. Unbelievably so. If they all actually lived together, they'd all start vaccinating immediately once their kids started to die off from outbreaks. And actually this is sort of happening because sometimes anti-vaxxers do live in pockets together and outbreaks ARE happening in those places. When it happens to them, they're like, "ok, I'll vaccinate my next child." Hell yes you will, asshole.
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I don't care if people think that vaccines cause autism, I don't believe that at all because I believe science, but if you want to believe a single outdated and disproven paper, then that's your right.
My problem is that autism is not the worst thing that could happen to a child. Is Autism worse than the potential death, hospitalisation or the potential death of another child because of your belief that autism is worse?
also I don't understand the complete "anti vax" approach because of autism, isn't it only the MMR vaccine that is supposed to cause it? Why not just skip that one? Why skip all of them?
DS - January 2014
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CP | June 2016
CP | July 2016
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Sure, some people will have horrible reactions to Tylenol. I can't take the one with codeine in it without feeling like I'm knocking on death's door while lurching on my kitchen floor covered in my own vomit, but I'm not a majority. For many, that stuff nicely relieves short term pain so they don't have to endure it by lurching across the kitchen floor covered in vomit. So it's not an excuse!
This post brought to you by some really ragey PG hormones today.
B born 7/15/13, C born 3/2/15, #3 on the way May '17
I’m a modern man, a man for the millennium. Digital and smoke free. A diversified multi-cultural, post-modern deconstruction that is anatomically and ecologically incorrect. I’ve been up linked and downloaded, I’ve been inputted and outsourced, I know the upside of downsizing, I know the downside of upgrading. I’m a high-tech low-life. A cutting edge, state-of-the-art bi-coastal multi-tasker and I can give you a gigabyte in a nanosecond! I’m new wave, but I’m old school and my inner child is outward bound. I’m a hot-wired, heat seeking, warm-hearted cool customer, voice activated and bio-degradable. I interface with my database, my database is in cyberspace, so I’m interactive, I’m hyperactive and from time to time I’m radioactive.
Pro/Medical/Yes/Not if known (think that covers everything? lol)
shocked that their pediatrician wants to follow common standards of care and come to argue about everything.
B born 7/15/13, C born 3/2/15, #3 on the way May '17
I’m a modern man, a man for the millennium. Digital and smoke free. A diversified multi-cultural, post-modern deconstruction that is anatomically and ecologically incorrect. I’ve been up linked and downloaded, I’ve been inputted and outsourced, I know the upside of downsizing, I know the downside of upgrading. I’m a high-tech low-life. A cutting edge, state-of-the-art bi-coastal multi-tasker and I can give you a gigabyte in a nanosecond! I’m new wave, but I’m old school and my inner child is outward bound. I’m a hot-wired, heat seeking, warm-hearted cool customer, voice activated and bio-degradable. I interface with my database, my database is in cyberspace, so I’m interactive, I’m hyperactive and from time to time I’m radioactive.
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Sorry for the long link, but I figured that this would be appreciated here
DS - January 2014
TTCAL | April 2016
CP | June 2016
CP | July 2016
1/7/2015 Twins born @ 34 weeks
Mentioned it to Mom and while she is "pro vaxx" she is also all "Theres so many more vaccines babies get now than they did when you were a baby (87). So I looked up the list last night, or tried to, it doesn't seem that different?
Science please? @mdlorenz
1st Baby 5/12/17, Henry
Reminds me of how DH admitted he clicked on some clickbait the other day that drove him crazy because it was about how miralax "causes" aggression, anger and mood problems in little kids and walked through some case of some little girl taking it and then becoming permanently angry and aggressive. Years ago our pediatrician told us to give DS miralax when he was withholding poop for days and days and causing himself to be constipated. This was just ahead of potty training (we knew he couldn't train if he wouldn't even poop at all.) And sure enough, DS now has mood/anger/aggression problems that started within the year of when he took a lot of miralax. But we know that this is BS and there is a 0% chance the two things are related. It's either a coincidence of timing (mood issues would tend to start to crop up around this age), or perhaps the type of kid who is withholding poop is a kid with some underlying anxiety/mood issues that might end up eventually manifesting the way it did for DS and this other girl from the clickbait article. It just tugs at you even when you know it's BS, because if your kid does have a disorder/diagnosis/issue you're constantly searching for "why," as if that might help you treat the issue.
DH is the most anti-clickbait person I know, so I'm stunned that he clicked on this link in the first place!
The number of diseases that vaccines can help to prevent has increased as researchers have discovered how to promote an immune response against more of them.
My favorite visual / chronological site for the history of the vaccine schedule can be found here:
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/history-immunization-schedule
And a dry (text-only) but comprehensive chronology (ie. ancient times to 2016!) of vaccines: https://www.immunize.org/timeline/
And another text-only but detailed description of changes made at different time points: https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-history/developments-by-year
The current birth-to-6 yrs immunization schedule is here: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf
And many of the old schedules are here: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/past.html
Your mother is right that there are far more vaccines available today (yay science!). What shouldn't freak people out is whether that's a safe thing to do (ie. give multiple vaccines in one visit). Our bodies (babies' too!) are exposed to thousands if not millions of antigens (foreign substances ie. bacterial / viral proteins, etc etc) every day. Vaccines are rigorously-tested antigens that have been shown to help our bodies remember what the disease-carrying pathogens "look" like so that the immune system can clear them out before they cause trouble.
The 1989 vaccine schedule is archived here: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/images/schedule1989s.jpg
The only 8 diseases that we had vaccines for at that time were: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (DTP vaccine), polio (OPV, or oral polio vaccine), measles, mumps, rubella (MMR vaccine), and haemophilus influenzae / "Hib" (HbCV vaccine).
By 1995, the schedule had changed a tiny bit to this: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00035471.htm
The only vaccine that was new was Hep B (as I've mentioned before, a silent infection in lots of mamas that is transmitted vertically during birth and really only got under control in babies after vaccination was started).
Since 1995, the 5 new covered diseases (or newly recommended for more ages including infants) are: rotavirus, pneumonia, influenza, varicella (chicken pox), and hepatitis A (food-bourne, can cause liver failure!).
That brings us to 14 diseases that kiddos under 6 are protected from (or the effects, if the disease is contracted, should be less severe). I really like the 2017 vaccine schedule (first link in this post) because it outlines (on the second page) what the diseases usually manifest as (ie. symptoms) and why we care so damn much about preventing them (ie. the worse-case scenarios).
Hope that helps!
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1st Baby 5/12/17, Henry
Anyhow, I show this particular comic to my students in most classes (this topic comes up a lot in psychology) as well as any/all relevant xkcd comics for class, which again, is actually a pretty decent number of them for my field.
eta: note to self, read rest of replies before commenting, from what was said above DS should receive immunisations for 6 more diseases than I did, which I think is about right from what I read.
DS - January 2014
TTCAL | April 2016
CP | June 2016
CP | July 2016
We were also discussing how it seems like more people have adverse side effects to vaccines. I don't think they do, I think it's just another joy of our age of technology. There's more ways to publicize that sort of think and make it go viral.
1st Baby 5/12/17, Henry
kind of like the whole "add/ADHD are more common now, in my day they were just called naughty kids"
which is true, but we also know a lot more about the human brain now and how it's supposed to work and what to do when it doesn't do it's job properly and also how to recognise that, So of course more kids are going to be diagnosed with these disorders now or put on the autism spectrum. It's not because these things never existed, but because we know more.
all of this to say that a lot of "vaccine injuries" in the past, wouldn't have been put down to the vaccine and wouldn't have been reported, things like mild allergic reactions, or high fevers would have just been written off as the kid being sick, whereas we now know that it was the vaccine that caused it and report it, doctors are also more thorough keeping records of the adverse reactions now.
just my 2c...
DS - January 2014
TTCAL | April 2016
CP | June 2016
CP | July 2016
1st Baby 5/12/17, Henry
Regardless, any mental illness increase has absolutely NOTHING to do with vaccines.
What many people are quick to forget is that these so-called crazy-awful side effects (sore arm, tender muscle, red spot, slight fever) are the known adverse effects of vaccine injection---they aren't random rare occurrences. They are publicized in the package inserts or given to the patient in other literature. People are quick to say "what a horrible reaction this is, isn't it awful" and "it made me feel so sick afterward" but fail to acknowledge that the medical staff told them these effects are known and likely to happen. It's not a surprise. It's quite likely. And it's not some horrible experience. It's your body creating antibodies and protecting your future self. Your body is doing its job, and the vax is instigating your body, which is what it's designed to do. It might be annoying to deal with, no doubt, but it's not a decent reason to skip getting an immunization.
DS - January 2014
TTCAL | April 2016
CP | June 2016
CP | July 2016
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