May 2017 Moms

The great vaccine thread

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Re: The great vaccine thread

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  • @NotAPlaya-JustCrushAlot
    I don't care if people think that vaccines cause autism, I don't believe that at all because I believe science, but if you want to believe a single outdated and disproven paper, then that's your right. 
    My problem is that autism is not the worst thing that could happen to a child. Is Autism worse than the potential death, hospitalisation or the potential death of another child because of your belief that autism is worse?

    also I don't understand the complete "anti vax" approach because of autism, isn't it only the MMR vaccine that is supposed to cause it? Why not just skip that one? Why skip all of them?
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  • Sigh, my Aunt has now sent me 2 articles regarding Hep B for babies and how it's unnecessary and how her friends baby just wound up in ICU after getting it...
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  • @nda_roxybabe I have to say that I have always been confused about the urgency of Hep B at birth. If mom is negative, I am not sure where the big risk is? I obviously plan to accept it, but if anyone has any research on the necessity/recommendation for administration during the hospital stay, I'd love to see it :)
  • @ShadeofGreen816 While I don't think there's an "urgency" the danger is that on a population level there are a ton of mamas who have Hep B and don't know it. Testing during prenatal care is good but not perfect. Vaccination of new babies has been a huge leap forward in the prevention of vertical transmission. That being said, I personally waited to start the Hep B series with DD until her first office visit (2 wks old). I'm planning to have the twins vaccinated before we leave the NICU (aka no delay like last time). 

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  • edited February 2017
    mdlorenz said:
    @ShadeofGreen816 While I don't think there's an "urgency" the danger is that on a population level there are a ton of mamas who have Hep B and don't know it. Testing during prenatal care is good but not perfect. Vaccination of new babies has been a huge leap forward in the prevention of vertical transmission. That being said, I personally waited to start the Hep B series with DD until her first office visit (2 wks old). I'm planning to have the twins vaccinated before we leave the NICU (aka no delay like last time). 
    Thanks. I figured it was something like that. As a nurse I've been tested no less than 5-10 times so I'm confident I'm negative. I may have to do some research about delaying until first peds visit. But I don't need an anti-vax  label in our chart!

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  • On the Hep B topic...fun fact: apparently in Canada (or at least Ontario where I live), that's not a thing at birth. According to the immunization schedule little ones don't get the Hep B shot until grade 7 (so roughly age 12).
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  • I obviously made my views known in the other thread on the subject but just for statistics:

    Pro/Medical/Yes/Not if known (think that covers everything? lol)
  • I feel like in the age of the internet it is so important to find a doctor you trust. Be informed and ask questions but at the end of the day if you don't trust your child's pediatrician (or your ob for that matter) to do what's best you should find one you do trust!  Im pro vax pro drugs etc. :) I just don't get people that get all
    shocked that their pediatrician wants to follow common standards of care and come to argue about everything. 
  • @NotAPlaya-JustCrushAlot You don't happen to belong to the Birth Without Fear group on FB, do you?  Not being stalker ish, someone just posted that they did a rainbow baby photo shoot this weekend and I got so confused thinking I had just read that very thing...  

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  • @JCWhitey I'm not, but it could have been one of the other moms. 

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    edited February 2017
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  • Follow up: Aunt then urged me to check out "Vaxxed" for more info. Le sigh.
    Mentioned it to Mom and while she is "pro vaxx" she is also all "Theres so many more vaccines babies get now than they did when you were a baby (87). So I looked up the list last night, or tried to, it doesn't seem that different?
    Science please? @mdlorenz
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  • @mdlorenz Yes, yes it does <3
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  • @mdlorenz you are my idol ❤️ 
  • kat81 said:
    chickyclg said:
    I have major thoughts on the vaccines cause autism theory as a mom currently going through an autism diagnosis. Long story short, DS's delays were first noticed/mentioned at 9 months before his MMR vaccine by his neurosurgeon.  The pediatrician didn't feel he was delayed enough to mention anything until 15 months.
    Everyone has a really hard time with correlation and causation. [...]
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    I wish I had one of those cute "I love you" gifs that people do on this website a lot, @WombThereItIs . I LOVE xkcd! And I never had the chance to say it before but I've loved your signature challenge photo this month for great couples. Arrested Development is one of the best shows of all time!

    Anyhow, I show this particular comic to my students in most classes (this topic comes up a lot in psychology) as well as any/all relevant xkcd comics for class, which again, is actually a pretty decent number of them for my field.

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  • redheelerredheeler member
    edited February 2017
    Follow up: Aunt then urged me to check out "Vaxxed" for more info. Le sigh.
    Mentioned it to Mom and while she is "pro vaxx" she is also all "Theres so many more vaccines babies get now than they did when you were a baby (87). So I looked up the list last night, or tried to, it doesn't seem that different?
    Science please? @mdlorenz
    I actually did this the other day, Australia require vaccines given to be kept on record that is now accessible through the internet so I checked out my history vs DS's, he is 3 and has had all of his immunisations, I didn't keep the records but it was a good half an A4 page worth, mine, I had 3 recorded, that's it. But even then I don't think that has to do with being given less in the 90's and more about how records are/were kept in comparison... I may ask my doctor about my records next week to compare the hard copies.

    eta: note to self, read rest of replies before commenting, from what was said above DS should receive immunisations for 6 more diseases than I did, which I think is about right from what I read.
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  • @PartiallyDomesticated Yea, I'm like hmm well they added chicken pox (good), Hep A (good), etc (good)! Makes sense.
    We were also discussing how it seems like more people have adverse side effects to vaccines. I don't think they do, I think it's just another joy of our age of technology. There's more ways to publicize that sort of think and make it go viral.
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  • @mdlorenz Totally agree! That's what I was trying to get across to my Mom. Parents these days...haha
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  • kat81kat81 member
    edited March 2017
    @nda_roxybabe it definetly has more to do with publication of side effects, I mean seeing as we've removed things like mercury, lead and egg from most vaccines I can only imagine that would actually decrease the side effects.
    kind of like the whole "add/ADHD are more common now, in my day they were just called naughty kids" 
    which is true, but we also know a lot more about the human brain now and how it's supposed to work and what to do when it doesn't do it's job properly and also how to recognise that, So of course more kids are going to be diagnosed with these disorders now or put on the autism spectrum. It's not because these things never existed, but because we know more.

    all of this to say that a lot of "vaccine injuries" in the past, wouldn't have been put down to the vaccine and wouldn't have been reported, things like mild allergic reactions, or high fevers would have just been written off as the kid being sick, whereas we now know that it was the vaccine that caused it and report it, doctors are also more thorough keeping records of the adverse reactions now.

    just my 2c...
    Regarding the ADHD thing I would agree that a large part of it is that we know more about the brain and mental illness and we actually treat these things and they are slightly less taboo than they once were. That said, I actually do think that kids are for real more ADHD than they were before, and there are more mood disorders (anxiety mostly) among older kids / young adults (I teach college students so this comes up.) Yes, part of it is increased awareness and diagnosis, but I think there are real reasons we have more of these things. In both cases but especially ADHD I think it is because we make school very academic at a very early age (even before Kindergarten). There is much less "play" and exploration, and that is what kids need, not the academic stuff. Relatedly, I think that addiction to / reliance on screens, devices, etc has changed kids' brains for the worse. Kids are outside less. And as far as anxiety is concerned, we have recently gone through a phase of more helicopter parenting and less self-reliance in late childhood / adolescence (this is also related to the not being outside thing -- kids aren't let out to wander on their own and can only go out with a parent). A lot of things are MUCH safer (kids these days do less drugs, have less sex, communicate with their parents/families more, etc.) but the drawback is that they are more anxious.

    Regardless, any mental illness increase has absolutely NOTHING to do with vaccines.

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  • @kat81 I totally agree with you regarding the ADHD etc but I was getting too long winded and of topic with it as it was lol. There was a video going around Facebook about it not long ago about how this generation has an increase in mental illness and aren't as "fulfilled" basically because they've always received instant gratification. It received quite a bit of backlash but I agreed with it whole heartedly.
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  • @vrj0522 I thought of this video the other day! but i have no idea how to add them to a post! so glad you did! this is my favorite on the topic too!
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  • vrj0522 said:
    One of my favorite videos against the anti-vax argument.  If you're at work, you might want to lower the volume or put a headset on.

    https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo
    I loved Penn and Teller's Bull$h!t.  Its funny how many of our parenting decisions came from that show.  It used To be on Netflix and we watched every episode.

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  • I feel like we need @pshaortao to go through the spreadsheet and see who hasn't chimed in. They may be our anti vaxxers ;)
    I'm EXTREMELY PRO, I've just been busy/ hate responding to long posts on mobile and lately I've only had 5 min on a computer. 
  • kat81kat81 member
    JCWhitey said:
    vrj0522 said:
    One of my favorite videos against the anti-vax argument.  If you're at work, you might want to lower the volume or put a headset on.

    https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo
    I loved Penn and Teller's Bull$h!t.  Its funny how many of our parenting decisions came from that show.  It used To be on Netflix and we watched every episode.
    ...and this is why anti-vaxxers are extremely selfish. One thing that is "wrong" about this Penn & Teller simulation is that the groups are separate. In reality, we all live together. The wall that is put up by the people who vaccinate ends up largely protecting the people who do not vaccinate. So they get to feel as though they're protected from autism (which is obviously complete bullshit because this has been proven false time and again and even the original guy said he faked the data), but they also get the benefit of other people's immunity. Completely and totally selfish. Unbelievably so. If they all actually lived together, they'd all start vaccinating immediately once their kids started to die off from outbreaks. And actually this is sort of happening because sometimes anti-vaxxers do live in pockets together and outbreaks ARE happening in those places. When it happens to them, they're like, "ok, I'll vaccinate my next child." Hell yes you will, asshole.

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