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Weekly Randoms 08.15.2016

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  • I use it to cook just because coconut oil has a higher heating/smoke point than olive oil, so it burns dishes less. Anything to keep my chicken from burning hahaha
  • If anyone has free time to watch YouTube videos, go to the New York Times page and watch the Retro Reports. I'm obsessed with them. They had one about vaccines causing autism and if that was true or not, but there was this guy on there who said they have something they jokingly call the "Whole Foods Effect" or something. They can look at a map and find all the Whole Foods stores and know that the kids within a five-mile radius won't be vaccinated.

    He was joking (in that I'm-joking-and-I'm-saying-I'm-joking-but-really-this-is-90%-true kind of way), but I thought it was pretty funny.

    Also. I secretly love Chuck E Cheese. I love pizza. I love ski ball. Win/win.

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  • F47F47 member
    This may get buried in the Weekly Randoms Thread, and maybe that's for the better, but it also doesn't warrant its own thread. I was listening to a radio interview with Hugh Grant over the weekend on a long drive, and the subject of marriage and monogamy came up. He was saying how he fervently doesn't agree that humans are meant to be in committed, long-term, 50-year marriages. It's not natural. Then he went on to say how having an affair may actually be good for a marriage, when it's understood by both parties that it will happen, but won't take away from the marriage itself. It was on Howard Stern, and I'm sure it's been reported on since if you want to look it up.

    But, it got me thinking. What are your thoughts on monogamy and marriage? Do you feel like there's only one person out there for you? Or, that you could have made it work with any number of people you know or haven't even met?

    Just a little deep thinking to liven up our Thursday, ladies.
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  • @annabenanna Aw man! You just ruined Justin Timberlake for me! I feel like the last 16 years of my life was all wasted now. Lol

    E will be 18 on July 24th
    Z was born October 16, 2016
    #3 Due October 9, 2018

    MC - November 29, 2012
    CP - November 15, 2014
    D&C for MMC - October 13, 2015




  • @f47 the concept of "multiple wives" is very popular in Tanzania. My FIL actually has two wives, though at this point it's basically like he has divorced the first wife and they are on decent terms with each other. But for a long time he spent a week with one and then a week with another. 
    DH has told me he could never ever love another woman the way he loves me and even if I died he doesn't  he could remarry even. But it was something we talked about a lot before hand because I am wayyyyyyyyyy too jealous to handle him being with someone else.

    With many of the Maasai in rural villages the wives are like "co-wives" and all help out with raising the children, keeping house, ect. ect and the husband basically just rotates who he is sleeping with that night. 

    Before I was married I was told many times by married men that they would take me for a second wife. I always declined, haha. But for many women here, their reality is that they share their husband, whether with another wife, or just an assortment of "side chicks", many men here feel that if your wife isn't putting out as much as you want (even if its because she just birthed your child) than you are free to look elsewhere. Or if your wife has trouble getting (or staying) pregnant, than it is highly supported that you would take another wife. 

    A HUGE problem here is actually the number of men who take a second, younger, wife and leave their first wife (along with their children) and essentially completely abandon them. 
    *American in Tanzania, East Africa, since 2013
    DH - Tanzanian
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    @kmolleltz WOW. Your stories are always so interesting. The first time I read that through, I thought you said your FI has two other wives. Then I thought, "Isn't she married?" Then I reread.

    Yeah, I'm with you in that I'm way too jealous of a person to EVER be ok with DH having a discreet affair. Granted, that's not the culture in the US. Hugh Grant (like, why is he an expert? lol. It's just the interview I heard) said he respects the French and Italian cultures where marriages are very important, and relationships are loving, but it's just generally accepted that there might be a 5 p.m. visitor around, and it's not discussed or boasted about. Now, that's a major generalization of a huge group of people he made there, but perhaps those cultures are more open to this particular lifestyle.

    I definitely wouldn't be down for the sister wives thing, but sometimes when my toddler is acting up, I might think that would be a good idea for a hot second. lol. "Here you go. YOU deal with him!" :D
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  • @F47 DH believes we're soulmates. Honestly, I believe that there are probably a number of men I could have married and been happy with, that we chose each other and work hard at our relationship, and I think that makes what we have even more beautiful than if we were soulmates.

    As far as open marriages, I think that whatever two people agree on is their own business. I have friends who have all sorts of different arrangements with their husbands. I personally don't associate with them anymore. DH and I don't care for that lifestyle and feel that it creates too many potential problems that we don't want to get drug into. But it's none of our business.

    Personally, we are both far too possessive to ever even have a threesome, let alone any kind of open marriage. Lol

    E will be 18 on July 24th
    Z was born October 16, 2016
    #3 Due October 9, 2018

    MC - November 29, 2012
    CP - November 15, 2014
    D&C for MMC - October 13, 2015




  • @annabenanna TOTALLY a glorified chuck e cheese! There used to be another place like that in the LA area, but it was a mom and pop place and it shut down :( I don't know that we'll be going to Au Fudge... I think I'd rather just get a sitter for that price! 

    Me: 31 | DH: 43
    BFP #1: 7/15/15, SB: 11/14/15
    Rainbow baby DS born 9/29/16!!
    BFP #3 3/26/18 | Due 12/3/18
  • @F47
    I wouldn't say I'm scared of monogamy, because I've always been faithful in my relationships.  But when DH and I decided to get married I was scared of long-term committment.  It was a total psychological thing.  I didn't want to be with anyone else.  It's just that my longest relationship previously had been less than a year, so who was I to say that I could be with just one person for the rest of my life?  
    We discussed that in the future we'd be open to alternatives (whatever that may look like), provided we communicated openly and honestly with each other.  The Dan Savage podcast talks about the concept of monogam-ish.  Sounds great in theory, but I'm not sure how that would work in practice for us.  But knowing that DH was willing to see how our relationship evolved made me feel secure in settling down.  
    Me: 36 & DH: 40
    Married: November 2015
    DD 10/19/2016
    BFP:  8/20/2018 - EDD 5/4/2019
  • @F47 I love Dan Savage! 

    Me: 32 & DH: 37
    Married: November 2014
    TTC #1 Since: October 2015
    BFP #1: 11/18/15 - CP
    BFP #2: 2/8/16 - EDD 10/20/16
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    DS Born 10/16/16

  • I'm a jealous person and so is my husband, so that would never happen. I'm one of those sappy people that believes we both went down the paths that led us to each other, that we were "meant to be" and all that. That doesn't mean we don't have to work at our relationship, but I couldn't see myself with anyone else and neither could he. 
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    @F47 I also don't believe in the "soulmate" theory. There are millions of people in this world and the odds that I found that ONE, is unrealistic to me. I am lucky that I found a person that has the same values, morals and relationship goals as me, who is willing to make it work no matter what. @krzyriver , I love how you put it... the fact that we have these people to MAKE our relationships and make them work - that's something really special. 
    Now on monogamy, I think that as human beings we are meant to be monogamous and that is why the subject is so hotly debated. I think it is in our nature to be monogamous. 

    I have a friend who just divorced her husband, the main reason being because she kept having affairs. Her thinking is "maybe I'm just one of those people who can't be monogamous". I love and support her, but I KNOW there are some deeper psychological things going on that lead her to cheat. Looking at it in a completely animalistic way, penguins mate for life. I think humans are meant to do the same, however, we are obviously so much more complex and advanced that psychology and experiences come into play. I know several poly-amorous couples, and they all have serious issues when it comes down to it with trust, jealousy and all that. 

    ETA - @bamacoop I'm with you on Chuck E. Cheese. I loved it as a kid (although my parents practically NEVER took us there) and am so excited to have a kid to take him there. There is one by our house and I think about that every time we pass it. I too, love pizza and ski ball! 
    Me: 31 | DH: 43
    BFP #1: 7/15/15, SB: 11/14/15
    Rainbow baby DS born 9/29/16!!
    BFP #3 3/26/18 | Due 12/3/18
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    I want to give a well-written response to my own question, but I guess the fact is I don't know how I feel. Basically, everything that everyone is saying resonates with me.

    I would like to believe in the idea of soulmates, but I don't think I do. I'm more on the boat of there could be several people out there for me, and it's all about recognizing when you've got one of those people, and working to keep that relationship strong.

    But, I can see the argument from the nonbelievers, too. Committing to one person as early as your late teens/early 20s/mid 20s/early 30s, and being with just that one person for the rest of your life can seem very daunting. I think it gets tied in with our FOMO culture - and what else could be out there for me?

    I do feel fortunate that I didn't get married until I was 26, so I had time to live the single life. But, even saying that is assuming that someone who met their significant other in high school, for instance, is somehow missing out, which isn't fair to say or assume.
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  • MRSCORKER said:
    @F47 I love Dan Savage! 
    I used to listen to him all the time!  He definitely has some interesting perspectives on sex and relationships.  I need to catch back up :) 
    Me: 36 & DH: 40
    Married: November 2015
    DD 10/19/2016
    BFP:  8/20/2018 - EDD 5/4/2019
  • @copperboom86 articulated my thoughts exactly. Way more eloquently than I could have! :) 
  • @CopperBoom86 Preach, girl! I agree wholeheartedly.

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  • bamacoop said:

    @annabenanna HAHA, YES!

    I actually have used coconut oil in my hair and hear from legit sources (not just from healthymom.com or granolagirl.com or imbetterthanyoucauseimvegan.com or theworldisshitandieatonlywhatcomesoutofmyownbutthole.com) that it has some great health benefits, so I want to try and cook with it more.

    See, this is the problem for me. I'm all for questioning things. Question your doc by getting a second or third opinion; question big Pharma and see if you can treat your whatever naturally; question the government; question everything! Sure, go ahead! But don't take 10 minutes to look up one documentary about one kid who had an adverse reaction to the MMR vaccine and then start a crusade against all vaccines ever for everyone for all time! Don't cure your acne with coconut oil and then assume that it's the end-all-be-all only acne medication that will ever work for anyone forever! Don't have one instance in which your doctor was wrong and then assume all doctors are stupid, moronic, evil buttwads who are only out to scalp your kids and make money from their bleeding brains!

    Also apropos: I watched a Ted talk yesterday that was great about how people can be wrong but feel so strongly that they are right that they actually convince themselves they are right. That's my cousin in a nutshell right there.

    I am actually somebody who does use essential oils and coconut oil, and I do believe in their therapeutic properties to a certain extent.  But I would also never use coconut oil for acne - it is known to clog pores - just in case anybody is getting any ideas.  :)
  • @CopperBoom86 reads my mind again.

    Except I don't think soulmates have to be romantic. I don't think they necessarily exist romantically as in there's ONE person you're supposed to marry and be with for the rest of your life. I think they can exist on a platonic level. 

    Im glad to know the history of a soulmate though. Interesting stuff!! 
    Me:33
    DH: 34
    Married: May 2011
    TTC #1: May 2015
    DS: 10/20/2016
    TTC #2: June 2019
    #2 EDD: 2/20/2020
  • Y'all... My bestie is taking me out for a pedicure and dinner as a thanks for watching their son over the weekend and my back hurts so bad I ALMOST want to cancel. This is no bueno 
  • @bnsmith85, i feel you on the back pain.  I feel like you and I have the same back pains.  LOL.  How is your massager working for you?  I find that it just helps my pain temporarily and then it's back again. :(  
  • @F47 I like how you worded the statement about "recognizing" when you have one of those people that you jive well with and working hard to stay together. 
    Like PB goes with so much. Jelly, chocolate, graham crackers, honey, apple butter, bananas, apples, etc. I am PB and I chose jelly and we shall be PB and J and stick with it. 
    I also like the way @CopperBoom86 said it. Totally agree. 
    We are a social animal though and love sharing our lives with other humans! I think this is why marraige is so popular. 
  • I was so fair behind that these are random comments and I don't remember who to tag  :#

    dtap- it's a bummer to have to get it again when I got it just 3 years ago when pregnant with dd but totally worth it to protect the baby. Everyone who had been around dd had it then so I think everyone is good with it for this Lo. I do worry because dd is going into preschool (Disney world for germs it seems) but the daycare/preschool we picked did have a clause in the contract about havin to pay an extra $50 if you knowingly sent your kid in sick (had a list of criteria) and they would immediately be sent home anyway. So I hope that is enough deterrent so dd doesn't bring a lot of illnesses around the baby. 

    Cancer and holistic treatments: I have a cousin who thought the same thing. She's very hippie, is a practicing psychic and all of that so when she was diagnosed with breast cancer she thought that there was a better approach to the treatment. Around Christmas her health plummeted (she's a mom of 4) and she finally took the recommended steps and is now recovering. It baffles me because she lost her mom to cancer at 14, her aunt has the breast cancer gene and just had a double mastectomy to rid herself of it and her uncle has leukemia (all her mother's siblings basically). She has sat and watched those people suffer, has suffered the loss of her mother but she was sooo close to repeating it for her own children. I'm glad she's still with us and I think understands the balance better. 

    Monogamy and soul mates: simply, I believe in monogomy but as someone mentioned, I do not think that marriage stops us from being sexually attracted to other people. I know there are Friends lovers on the board so they'll understand the reference but dh and I have a running 'list'. It's a big joke really but it's our way of saying that we find someone attractive without having to actually say it. Would we ever actually do anything about those feelings? No. We love each other and (even though we both come from divorced families) don't take the idea of divorce and cheating lightly. But I think it's healthy for us to be able to express those feelings. 

    With soulmates, no I don't believe that my husband is my soulmate. I do believe in the coincendences it took for us to meet (Unbearable Lightness of Being). And (again can't remember who said it) I definitely agree that a soul mate can be anyone in your life. If you are open to the idea of past lives (I mentioned in a WAY earlier thread that I was raised Christian but also to believe in past lives) then your soul mate is anyone who shows up in every life, they could be you SO, your kids, your bf, etc. Dont you find that there are one (or more) people in your life who just 'get' you? Without having to say very much? Or that you can go months without talking but then you both get a random thought and connect again? 

    And finally back pain- it's kicking my ass! I don't remember having a problem with it when I was pregnant before and I worked full time as a teller (so on my feet a lot). Just going to the grocery store had me practically limping from the back pain. 

    WOW this is what happens when I don't bump all day!!! So many thoughts. Way sorry for the book I just wrote.!
  • coconut oil is a good lube for ttc since its natural and not water based. that's all I've got for now. 
  • I don't believe in soul mates but I doubt there's anyone else out there I could stand to be with other than my husband. Certainly no one I could find, because he would also be a hermit like me.


  • What are your plans on swaddling baby?

    I was all about it.  Didn't even think twice about it..I already even have swaddle sacks and peapods....but then DH goes:  "i think you ought to research, see if it's really necessary... I've found that with the girls (my stepdaughters) every time they got loose from their swaddle it would wake them up and disrupt their sleep".

    Anyone have a similar experience?  
  • @mrszoess, we were using coconut oil for lube too....then one of my friends said she got a really nasty yeast infection and her doctor told her it was because she was using coconut oil!!!  I googled it, and there were similar reports.  so we stopped using it.  it freaked me out.  
  • @annabenanna oh shoot. well it conceived twice (once mmc) soooo maybe I'll lay off since we aren't ttc anymore lol (every time I smell it I'm like oh I can't cook with this stuff...)
  • So my dd just came back from her grandmother's and they sent the unfinished slices of pizza they had given her for dinner home too. now all I want is pizza so dh is running to get me some  :#
  • @annabenanna  I plan to swaddle, but if he busts out or doesn't like it then we won't. Everything that I've read says that most babies find it comforting, but I'm not going to force him into a swaddle. I do have some sleep sacks already too... heck, I'D sleep in a sleep sack if I could. Those things look comfy! 

    Me: 31 | DH: 43
    BFP #1: 7/15/15, SB: 11/14/15
    Rainbow baby DS born 9/29/16!!
    BFP #3 3/26/18 | Due 12/3/18
  • @Annabenanna - I'm going to be the swaddle queen!  I say that now as a FTM.  If the baby gets loose in a swaddle, it wasn't tight enough.  Have your read or seen Happiest Baby on the Block?  It goes through swaddling as a main way to comfort and soothe your baby.  I was nervous at first and looked at just doing the easy velcro/snap swaddles, but learned through my classes that those tend to get lose and stretch after a bit.  I can't wait to swaddle my LO with all the pretty A&A blankets.  Don't give up on the idea yet!!
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