I'm glad you're questioning what is injected in you in general, especially while pregnant. I really encourage you to research further before getting vaccinated. Not only does the package insert say that it has never been tested for safety on pregnant women, but the vaccine in itself is showing to be pretty useless. Even the cdc is questioning its efficacy. I do not vaccinate mysel or my children ever, so take it for what you want. I am not a "crazy anti vaxer," and I know these boards heavily promote vaccines in the name of science, but honestly, its not crazy or anti science to question what you inject into your body. It's incredibly healthy and freeing to be informed and to know why. Please research and make an informed decision.
The CDC is questioning the long term efficacy, the point of getting tdap during pregnancy is to provide your baby with protection for the first few months of their life before they can be vaccinated themselves. Not taking everying as fact without questioning is one thing but when every major medical group universally recommends something, you can bet that there's enough support behind it to justify that recommendation. Doctors and researchers spend decades in school to be able to do what they do, I would be more apt to trust them than something I read on the internet from someone with questionable credentials.
I'm glad you're questioning what is injected in you in general, especially while pregnant. I really encourage you to research further before getting vaccinated. Not only does the package insert say that it has never been tested for safety on pregnant women, but the vaccine in itself is showing to be pretty useless. Even the cdc is questioning its efficacy. I do not vaccinate mysel or my children ever, so take it for what you want. I am not a "crazy anti vaxer," and I know these boards heavily promote vaccines in the name of science, but honestly, its not crazy or anti science to question what you inject into your body. It's incredibly healthy and freeing to be informed and to know why. Please research and make an informed decision.
I do the alternative schedule and am curious where you've read that the CDC is questioning its efficacy. I know gardasil has been pretty much proven ineffective, and the original "designer" has said its a sham...
Here is a study over the same thing the article talks about...
That article is taking about para pertussis, not pertussis. I'm not getting into a whole conspiracy theory thing and I sense that is where this is going. There is ample evidence that vaccinating during pregnancy provides temporary immunity to the baby. There is ample evidence that vaccination is overwhelmingly safe. No amount of internet reading is going to put you on par with a trained professional.
Okay I'll bite on this so are you trying to say that it's better to not vaccinate at all then to try and prevent these terrible illnesses with vaccinations? Also do you feel vaccinations are a cause of autism? Your answers to these two questions will give you any credibility to me and may fight the crazy antivaxer label so I personally would love to hear your take on it.
I'm glad you're questioning what is injected in you in general, especially while pregnant. I really encourage you to research further before getting vaccinated. Not only does the package insert say that it has never been tested for safety on pregnant women, but the vaccine in itself is showing to be pretty useless. Even the cdc is questioning its efficacy. I do not vaccinate mysel or my children ever, so take it for what you want. I am not a "crazy anti vaxer," and I know these boards heavily promote vaccines in the name of science, but honestly, its not crazy or anti science to question what you inject into your body. It's incredibly healthy and freeing to be informed and to know why. Please research and make an informed decision.
I do the alternative schedule and am curious where you've read that the CDC is questioning its efficacy. I know gardasil has been pretty much proven ineffective, and the original "designer" has said its a sham...
A recent study came out showing that immunity from the accelluar vaccine isn't as long lasting as they thought. I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head but by 5 years out, something like 70% of vaxed kids aren't immune anymore. The whole cell vaccine given before the 90s was much better but had a higher likelihood of cauing febrile seizures in kids, prompting the switch to the acellular version. They're now looking at alternative options to prevent having to revaccinate people frequently while avoiding the febrile seizure issues. Short term its still quite effective which is what matters when you get it during pregnancy, but long term it may not be as great as they thought.
Ok.... I have witnessed babies with whooping cough and it's awful and deadly. I chose to get the vaccine so that when baby is born I won't pass the virus to her if I had it. We offer it at 28 weeks. Before I worked ob/gyn and sports medicine I worked in a pediatric office and to see these babies and kids who get sick when it is preventable is heartbreaking. I do agree with a "delayed "schedule as in instead of baby getting 5 shots at a time only getting 2 within a weeks time ( one in each thigh) that way if there's a reaction you know what one caused it. guadasil only covers certain strains of hpv as does cervarix. Just like the flu shot (quadrivalent or not) only covers you from certain strains of the flu. Be careful where you get your information and check your sources.
I would recomended anyone who is questioning the benefits of this vaccine visit the 'Light for Riley' facebook page. There is a video on there of Riley in a pertussis induced coughing fit just before he passed away.
I meant I'm worried about getting the shot while pregnant with a growing baby inside of me. Baby will be vaccinated after birth regardless.
If you question it, it's for a reason. Do your research and know 100% that you do/don't want to. You can't undo it once it's done. I'm not saying don't get it. I don't think it's anyone's place to tell you what to put into your body, but please,please, please do research into possible side effects for you and your baby.
...or ask your doctor about the side effects, and address any of your findings from Dr. Google, and wherever else, with your doctor. There are too many articles and junk out there written by people with agendas with research results taken out of context. It's also easy to misinterpret these things because many of us on here (including myself) are NOT doctors nor trained medical professionals.
Anyone who uses Fox News as a credible resource should have their advice taken with a grain of salt. "Because doctors have a short class on vaccines." Are you a trained medical professional? Do you have your phd on vaccinations and side effects? I'd love to see your diploma. If you want to go scoff at the polio vaccine then do it on your own time. None of your articles are from reliable sources and anyone with a class on critical thinking can tell the difference.
You'll find anything even close to resembling anti-vax convo gets shut down pretty quickly on these boards. I suggest doing your own research and talking to trusted health care professionals, and getting lots of opinions from educated sources who aren't strangers on the internet. If you decide against vaccines during pregnancy, it's best not to mention it on TB unless you're looking to stir the pot or get flamed.
I meant I'm worried about getting the shot while pregnant with a growing baby inside of me. Baby will be vaccinated after birth regardless.
If you question it, it's for a reason. Do your research and know 100% that you do/don't want to. You can't undo it once it's done. I'm not saying don't get it. I don't think it's anyone's place to tell you what to put into your body, but please,please, please do research into possible side effects for you and your baby.
...or ask your doctor about the side effects, and address any of your findings from Dr. Google, and wherever else, with your doctor. There are too many articles and junk out there written by people with agendas with research results taken out of context. It's also easy to misinterpret these things because many of us on here (including myself) are NOT doctors nor trained medical professionals.
Or when you go to the doctor, ask for the actual package insert from the vaccine and read the potential side effects yourself (there won't be any for baby because it hasn't been tested), because most doctors had one short class on vaccine reactions and honestly don't know.
ETA, then research it, discuss it with your care provider, do what you need to do to understand it and feel comfortable with your decision. Just don't get pushed into something you are not comfortable with.
There is no such thing as a class on vaccine reactions. There are classes on vaccines themselves but a class solely to discuss reactions is ridiculous. Vaccines are also discussed in context in other courses about immunology, virology, and various other types of pathogens. Those topics all greatly contribute to the understanding of why vaccines are important. Also, their med school training means they likely understand that insert better than you do. Things that sound scary to an untrained person aren't actually scary when you know what you're talking about.
You claim to not be a "crazy antivaxer" (your words, not mine) yet you're pulling all the standard antivaxer lines. Inserts list adverse events aka something that happened during the trial that we are legally mandated to report. If someone breaks their leg during the trial, they are legally required to include that information on the insert. If a child is diagnosed with autism during the trial, they are legally required to report that as well. There is no proof of cause but it has to be reported.
Last comment. "Do your research" is an awful phrase. You want to do research? Come to work with me and do some cell culture, grow some bacteria, run some PCRs and westerns and northerns. Do some virus titers. THAT is research. Sitting on your computer reading free public access articles (higher profile ones are usually $30+ or require a subscription to the journal that's ungodly expensive unless you get it free from your university) and news stories about papers is not research.
Trust the people who have spent over a decade getting specialized training. You don't assume you know more than a pilot because you read a few things about flying and heard a story about a pilot falling asleep at the control. You call a plumber when your plumbing is screwy, you don't try to fix it yourself based on what you found on the internet. You don't try to build your own house, you hire a contractor who knows what they're doing. Why is it that medicine has a double standard? People pushing an anti-vax, do your own research and don't trust the professionals agenda are dangerous, plain and simple and I'm tired of it.
I meant I'm worried about getting the shot while pregnant with a growing baby inside of me. Baby will be vaccinated after birth regardless.
If you question it, it's for a reason. Do your research and know 100% that you do/don't want to. You can't undo it once it's done. I'm not saying don't get it. I don't think it's anyone's place to tell you what to put into your body, but please,please, please do research into possible side effects for you and your baby.
...or ask your doctor about the side effects, and address any of your findings from Dr. Google, and wherever else, with your doctor. There are too many articles and junk out there written by people with agendas with research results taken out of context. It's also easy to misinterpret these things because many of us on here (including myself) are NOT doctors nor trained medical professionals.
Or when you go to the doctor, ask for the actual package insert from the vaccine and read the potential side effects yourself (there won't be any for baby because it hasn't been tested), because most doctors had one short class on vaccine reactions and honestly don't know.
ETA, then research it, discuss it with your care provider, do what you need to do to understand it and feel comfortable with your decision. Just don't get pushed into something you are not comfortable with.
There is no such thing as a class on vaccine reactions. There are classes on vaccines themselves but a class solely to discuss reactions is ridiculous. Vaccines are also discussed in context in other courses about immunology, virology, and various other types of pathogens. Those topics all greatly contribute to the understanding of why vaccines are important. Also, their med school training means they likely understand that insert better than you do. Things that sound scary to an untrained person aren't actually scary when you know what you're talking about.
You claim to not be a "crazy antivaxer" (your words, not mine) yet you're pulling all the standard antivaxer lines. Inserts list adverse events aka something that happened during the trial that we are legally mandated to report. If someone breaks their leg during the trial, they are legally required to include that information on the insert. If a child is diagnosed with autism during the trial, they are legally required to report that as well. There is no proof of cause but it has to be reported.
Last comment. "Do your research" is an awful phrase. You want to do research? Come to work with me and do some cell culture, grow some bacteria, run some PCRs and westerns and northerns. Do some virus titers. THAT is research. Sitting on your computer reading free public access articles (higher profile ones are usually $30+ or require a subscription to the journal that's ungodly expensive unless you get it free from your university) and news stories about papers is not research.
Trust the people who have spent over a decade getting specialized training. You don't assume you know more than a pilot because you read a few things about flying and heard a story about a pilot falling asleep at the control. You call a plumber when your plumbing is screwy, you don't try to fix it yourself based on what you found on the internet. You don't try to build your own house, you hire a contractor who knows what they're doing. Why is it that medicine has a double standard? People pushing an anti-vax, do your own research and don't trust the professionals agenda are dangerous, plain and simple and I'm tired of it.
It's humorous that telling anyone to do research makes me crazy, yet you think that medicine is a one size fits all and people should just say yes to whoever has a medical degree, and still I'm the crazy one. In what other area of life is it okay to just do whatever someone says because they went to school for a long time? And no, vaccine reactions are not covered extensively in med school, nor are they often brought up to doctors after med school, so many of them don't know. That's why research and a good conversation with your care provider can be very useful. "Do your research is an awful phrase" is SO much of what's wrong with the world. Have you experienced a vaccine injury? Have you been close to a vaccine injured child? Terrible things happen from vaccines. It doesn't mean they happen often , thank God, but they do, and people have a right to know and to question vaccines and then to make their own decision on putting them in their body.
but do you honestly think that the POSSIBLE side effects of the vaccine are more "terrible" than if the child was to contract the illness?????? Your argument is dangerously one-sided. If you are going to tell people that they should research vaccines you should also tell them to research the diseases you are telling them not to vaccinate against. Tell them to research what will happen if their child contracts whooping cough, measles, polio, bacterial menegitis...then I guess try to explain to them how the possible side effects of vaccines are more "terrible" than these deadly diseases.
You know what, I rather take a chance with a 'vaccine injury ' then let my child grow through the hell my mom went through with Polio. Her dozens of surgeries as a toddler and young child, Trach, respiratory failure and years of physical disabilites sounds like a peach.
It's to bad there's no vaccine for Jenny McCarthy syndrome.
And it's TOO bad there is no vaccine for the propped use of to/too/two. I honestly still don't know who Jenny McCarthy is. All this is beyond the point. I answered the OPs question with what I believe, which is that it is okay to question the vaccine and to understand it before making the decision. The end.
actually, you VERY selectively cherry picked which points to address while clearly ignoring a lot of excellent points. It's a bit silly to come in and make some of the comments you made and then expect to just say, "the end" when you have obviously run out of material.
I'll definitely vaccinate my child, I'm mostly concerned about getting it while pregnant (and have something happen like lose baby because of it). I'll talk to my ob about it. I was curious if a lot of people get the tdap while pregnant because most of the people I've talked to were never offered the shot during pregnancy.
It's to bad there's no vaccine for Jenny McCarthy syndrome.
And it's TOO bad there is no vaccine for the propped use of to/too/two. I honestly still don't know who Jenny McCarthy is. All this is beyond the point. I answered the OPs question with what I believe, which is that it is okay to question the vaccine and to understand it before making the decision. The end.
actually, you VERY selectively cherry picked which points to address while clearly ignoring a lot of excellent points. It's a bit silly to come in and make some of the comments you made and then expect to just say, "the end" when you have obviously run out of material.
Oh, my material has most definitely not run out. Give me a soapbox, and I'll talk to you for hours about vaccines, but this thread wasnt to argue vaccines.
So initially you were fine coming in and making anti-vax comments... and now suddenly it's not a thread to argue about vaccines? Yah, still sounds like u have run of material. Something to consider while up on your soap box--- if your platform is going to be the "terrible side effects of vaccinations," then for the love of public safety, please also tell people to research the effects of the diseases you are telling them not to vaccinate against. It would be a terrible thing to tell someone not to vaccinate their child and then to later learn that child has contracted one of these diseases. If that were me I would never be able to live with myself
I'm glad you're questioning what is injected in you in general, especially while pregnant. I really encourage you to research further before getting vaccinated. Not only does the package insert say that it has never been tested for safety on pregnant women, but the vaccine in itself is showing to be pretty useless. Even the cdc is questioning its efficacy. I do not vaccinate mysel or my children ever, so take it for what you want. I am not a "crazy anti vaxer," and I know these boards heavily promote vaccines in the name of science, but honestly, its not crazy or anti science to question what you inject into your body. It's incredibly healthy and freeing to be informed and to know why. Please research and make an informed decision.
I'm glad you're questioning what is injected in you in general, especially while pregnant. I really encourage you to research further before getting vaccinated. Not only does the package insert say that it has never been tested for safety on pregnant women, but the vaccine in itself is showing to be pretty useless. Even the cdc is questioning its efficacy. I do not vaccinate mysel or my children ever, so take it for what you want. I am not a "crazy anti vaxer," and I know these boards heavily promote vaccines in the name of science, but honestly, its not crazy or anti science to question what you inject into your body. It's incredibly healthy and freeing to be informed and to know why. Please research and make an informed decision.
You absolutely did not tell OP to research the disease, you only told her to research the vaccines side effects..... but go on with your dilusional self
It's to bad there's no vaccine for Jenny McCarthy syndrome.
And it's TOO bad there is no vaccine for the propped use of to/too/two. I honestly still don't know who Jenny McCarthy is. All this is beyond the point. I answered the OPs question with what I believe, which is that it is okay to question the vaccine and to understand it before making the decision. The end.
It's to bad there's no vaccine for Jenny McCarthy syndrome.
And it's TOO bad there is no vaccine for the propped use of to/too/two. I honestly still don't know who Jenny McCarthy is. All this is beyond the point. I answered the OPs question with what I believe, which is that it is okay to question the vaccine and to understand it before making the decision. The end.
actually, you VERY selectively cherry picked which points to address while clearly ignoring a lot of excellent points. It's a bit silly to come in and make some of the comments you made and then expect to just say, "the end" when you have obviously run out of material.
Oh, my material has most definitely not run out. Give me a soapbox, and I'll talk to you for hours about vaccines, but this thread wasnt to argue vaccines.
I wish there was a vaccine to make sure people remembered to use apostrophes when joining two words like was and not. Key is when you want to be a grammar Nazi, you proof read your own attempts at witty come backs.
I'll definitely vaccinate my child, I'm mostly concerned about getting it while pregnant (and have something happen like lose baby because of it). I'll talk to my ob about it. I was curious if a lot of people get the tdap while pregnant because most of the people I've talked to were never offered the shot during pregnancy.
Again, I haven't heard or read about deaths of a baby while pregnant and getting the vaccine...Or am I missing that info? I wouldn't trust that article you posted. Just talk to your doctor whether it's offered to you or not and maybe read around a bit more. It's ultimately your decision.
I didn't even bother reading through all the comments because I know how these discussions normally go. I, 100% without a doubt, will be getting it and so will my H and my mom. H contracted pertussis before I got pregnant with my first. After watching a grown man go through it, it scares the hell out off me to even think about my poor little newb contracting it.
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Re: Are you getting the tdap shot in third tri? *when will you get the tdap shot (what week)?* Thanks!
I have witnessed babies with whooping cough and it's awful and deadly. I chose to get the vaccine so that when baby is born I won't pass the virus to her if I had it. We offer it at 28 weeks.
Before I worked ob/gyn and sports medicine I worked in a pediatric office and to see these babies and kids who get sick when it is preventable is heartbreaking.
I do agree with a "delayed "schedule as in instead of baby getting 5 shots at a time only getting 2 within a weeks time ( one in each thigh) that way if there's a reaction you know what one caused it.
guadasil only covers certain strains of hpv as does cervarix. Just like the flu shot (quadrivalent or not) only covers you from certain strains of the flu.
Be careful where you get your information and check your sources.
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Your argument is dangerously one-sided. If you are going to tell people that they should research vaccines you should also tell them to research the diseases you are telling them not to vaccinate against. Tell them to research what will happen if their child contracts whooping cough, measles, polio, bacterial menegitis...then I guess try to explain to them how the possible side effects of vaccines are more "terrible" than these deadly diseases.
It's a bit silly to come in and make some of the comments you made and then expect to just say, "the end" when you have obviously run out of material.
Something to consider while up on your soap box--- if your platform is going to be the "terrible side effects of vaccinations," then for the love of public safety, please also tell people to research the effects of the diseases you are telling them not to vaccinate against. It would be a terrible thing to tell someone not to vaccinate their child and then to later learn that child has contracted one of these diseases. If that were me I would never be able to live with myself
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