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UO Thursday 2/11/16

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  • @missnc77 YES! I was saying to MH that it feels like Bernie is talking about Monopoly money. He has such lofty ideas about radical social change, but it is in a fantasy world where there is no deficit and the streets are paved in free money. I tend to be more of a realist and get so frustrated because he talks like someone who is out of touch with the reality of the current American political and economic climate. I want to agree with him, I want to FEEL THE BERN, but I guess I am too jaded and too firmly planted on the ground to let my head get that far up in the clouds.  

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  • kami09 said:
    I don't really enjoy going out to the movies. I would much rather cuddle up on my couch at home and watch one. It is cheaper and I don't have to put pants on.
    This is going to sound so crazy...but after all those movie theater shootings, I can't go to a movie without glancing sort of suspiciously at everyone that comes in. It's on my mind way too much when I'm trying to enjoy a movie.


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    Honestly, I won't ever be able to go to an opening night movie after Aurora.
  • missnc77 said:
    AliciaD39 said:
     My tax bracket would also go up to 30%, but it is just 2.5% more than I pay now. The one I looked at was to cover healthcare, which I figured would make my $650+ healthcare month a cost go away and it wouldn't be too much of a burden. 

     I also know that someone that extreme wouldn't get all his ideals passed so I think it would be a happy medium when they would agree.





    You're okay that your taxes will go up in hopes your healthcare costs would go away, but you're also banking on the fact his ideals probably won't get passed and you'll get a watered down version of a campaign promise? Which most likely means, you'll still be paying for your healthcare. What's the point then? Since when has Congress ever agreed on a happy medium?

    Also, 2.5% is a lot. Look at it this way using a combined income of $140K as an example.

    Bush Tax Cuts (Jeb's alignment) - 25% = $35,000
    Obama Tax Bracket (Hillary's alignment) - 28% = $39,200
    Bernie - 30% = $42,000

    Difference from 25% to 30% equates to $583 per month.
    From 28% to 30% = $233 per month.

    So no, 2.5% doesn't sound like a lot, but are you really willing to give up another $233 per month from your household income on the chance that Congress will agree on a happy medium? Maybe because I've worked in politics I've become more jaded, but I'd rather just keep my $233.

    Plus if you've read the analysis on Bernie's tax plan and how cutting healthcare costs for employers while added other taxes in, you'd see that it may not be all sunshine and roses. Employers won't be saving money from cutting healthcare if they then have to pay other taxes. So where does that money come from? It's like a rabbit hole.
    I'm confused - has any candidate who has been elected able to get everything he campaigned for through? If you can tell me where that happens, please do because then of course my thinking would be wrong. However, I feel like everything in politics is about compromise.

    Also - I talked about one point in what you said. There are definitely other issues that are important outside of taxes. And yes, I would be willing to give up $233 a month of income if it came with a person who I aligned with other things about their platform. I'm not saying it is not a lot of money, and I'm grateful that I have it, but I do believe there are good things done with tax money. (i.e. John Green who said he was willing to pay taxes for schools, even though he didn't have kids, because he didn't want to live in a country of stupid people.)

    I'm in a camp where it is hard for me to understand those with school loans (why not go to a cheaper school? Why not work more during? Live at home? Etc.), but I definitely have seen the effects of outstanding medical bills on the working class. Can you find flaws in a universal healthcare? ABSOLUTELY. Can you find flaws in a current healthcare? ABSOLUTELY. I just do not want the working class to file for bankruptcy because they get life saving treatment. That is near and dear to me - every person has their sensitive issues. Would I be willing to risk a higher tax bracket in the hopes that it would benefit others? Yes.

    So maybe to me it is more than just an extra $233 a month.

    And as far as the rabbit hole, that hole has been going further and further with every single term. If there was someone who I felt like pushed important issues and was fiscally responsible, I would definitely check into them (i.e. why I said I was interested in Bloomberg above). However, I'm not seeing said candidate so I'm dealing with current options.
  • missnc77missnc77 member
    edited February 2016
    AliciaD39 said:

    I'm in a camp where it is hard for me to understand those with school loans (why not go to a cheaper school? Why not work more during? Live at home? Etc.), but I definitely have seen the effects of outstanding medical bills on the working class. Can you find flaws in a universal healthcare? ABSOLUTELY. Can you find flaws in a current healthcare? ABSOLUTELY. I just do not want the working class to file for bankruptcy because they get life saving treatment. That is near and dear to me - every person has their sensitive issues. Would I be willing to risk a higher tax bracket in the hopes that it would benefit others? Yes.
    The flaw with healthcare reform is that it never even got to the root of the issue - why is it so expensive in the first place? Instead of going for one approach of giving everyone free healthcare, I think we should start at the beginning. I immediately think of Martin Shkreli who artificially raised the price of Daraprim. All the sudden, people who could previously afford the drug couldn't. Healthcare reform as we know it wants to give money so it can be afforded.  Another example I read recently in the NYTimes talked about fraudulent insurance billing by hospitals. Some hospitals will say there was another doctor that participated in the surgery and charge thousands of dollars extra. As the patient/insurance client, we don't really know what the insurance company is getting billed, and the insurance company can't verify who was in the room during a surgery. So again, the cost is more expensive than what it should have been. Or another piece on how bad military hospitals are outside of labor and delivery. It would be financially better and better for the health of the patients to close down some of these smaller, under performing base hospitals and allow the people using them to go to other hospitals in the community. Why don't they do this? Because the states cry about all the jobs that will be lost, etc. etc. so the populations these hospitals serve have to continue to get crappy healthcare.

    I want healthcare reform to prevent these things from happening in the first place. But it's easier to throw money at a problem than to actually *reform* healthcare. I agree with you that I think if someone needs to go to the doctor or get a life saving treatment, they should have that access. Unfortunately, I don't think DC knows how to use my extra $233 a month to make that happen, so again, I'd rather keep it. Show me a real plan that makes logical sense and gets at the heart of the situation, and maybe I'll reconsider. "Free Healthcare!" doesn't get me there.


  • Another random yet mild thought from me - I strongly dislike the color purple. I can kind of deal with periwinkle or lavendar but straight up purple hurts my eyes. 
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  • missnc77 said:
    AliciaD39 said:

    I'm in a camp where it is hard for me to understand those with school loans (why not go to a cheaper school? Why not work more during? Live at home? Etc.), but I definitely have seen the effects of outstanding medical bills on the working class. Can you find flaws in a universal healthcare? ABSOLUTELY. Can you find flaws in a current healthcare? ABSOLUTELY. I just do not want the working class to file for bankruptcy because they get life saving treatment. That is near and dear to me - every person has their sensitive issues. Would I be willing to risk a higher tax bracket in the hopes that it would benefit others? Yes.
    The flaw with healthcare reform is that it never even got to the root of the issue - why is it so expensive in the first place? Instead of going for one approach of giving everyone free healthcare, I think we should start at the beginning. I immediately think of Martin Shkreli who artificially raised the price of Daraprim. All the sudden, people who could previously afford the drug couldn't. Healthcare reform as we know it wants to give money so it can be afforded.  Another example I read recently in the NYTimes talked about fraudulent insurance billing by hospitals. Some hospitals will say there was another doctor that participated in the surgery and charge thousands of dollars extra. As the patient/insurance client, we don't really know what the insurance company is getting billed, and the insurance company can't verify who was in the room during a surgery. So again, the cost is more expensive than what it should have been. Or another piece on how bad military hospitals are outside of labor and delivery. It would be financially better and better for the health of the patients to close down some of these smaller, under performing base hospitals and allow the people using them to go to other hospitals in the community. Why don't they do this? Because the states cry about all the jobs that will be lost, etc. etc. so the populations these hospitals serve have to continue to get crappy healthcare.

    I want healthcare reform to prevent these things from happening in the first place. But it's easier to throw money at a problem than to actually *reform* healthcare. I agree with you that I think if someone needs to go to the doctor or get a life saving treatment, they should have that access. Unfortunately, I don't think DC knows how to use my extra $233 a month to make that happen, so again, I'd rather keep it. Show me a real plan that makes logical sense and gets at the heart of the situation, and maybe I'll reconsider. "Free Healthcare!" doesn't get me there.


    I totally agree - start at the root. However, I do not see anyone proposing that - so in the meantime, we should limit healthcare to those that really need it because I insist on keeping $233 a month? That is too heavy of a burden for me to carry.

    It sounds like you and I are on the same page in terms of wanting the overall problem fixed (heard a story where they charged a woman $14 for every pill paper cup they gave her when they administered meds - over $10k worth!!) - which candidate is going to be the one to do that?
  • Speaking of Martin Shkreli, did anyone else find the Congress hearing that he was summoned to hilarious and disturbing at the same time?  It was like a massive face-off to see who could be the biggest a-hole--Shkreli or one of the congressmen.
  • Speaking of Martin Shkreli, did anyone else find the Congress hearing that he was summoned to hilarious and disturbing at the same time?  It was like a massive face-off to see who could be the biggest a-hole--Shkreli or one of the congressmen.
    I haven't looked at it, but now I'm very curious. I remember when the story first broke, and all the pictures of this CEO looked like he was trying to be in a rap video. He was an odd one, for sure. 
  • AliciaD39 said:
    Speaking of Martin Shkreli, did anyone else find the Congress hearing that he was summoned to hilarious and disturbing at the same time?  It was like a massive face-off to see who could be the biggest a-hole--Shkreli or one of the congressmen.
    I haven't looked at it, but now I'm very curious. I remember when the story first broke, and all the pictures of this CEO looked like he was trying to be in a rap video. He was an odd one, for sure. 
    It's worth watching, even if it's just for a good laugh.
  • Another random yet mild thought from me - I strongly dislike the color purple. I can kind of deal with periwinkle or lavendar but straight up purple hurts my eyes. 
    HA, when I moved into my new home, two of the bedrooms were straight up PURPLE. I was like UMMM that has got to go! I don't own one shade of purple item in my closet either. No thanks!
  • We just moved into a house and the room that is my office has lime green walls with a brown accent wall. I'm so excited for the painter to come tomorrow and give us an estimate.

    But - I want to paint them purple. Hahaha!
  • @AmmyBelle I think that was an excellent analysis, and I really appreciate the comparison. My biggest hurdle with Hilary is my perception that she can be bought (and some of her foreign policy).  I definitely think I have allowed it to color all the analysis I've read so I really need to go back taking that out of the equation, but it has been a real struggle for me. Probably because they will not release transcripts from her walstreet speaking engagements - why act like she has something to hide if she doesn't? 

    I do believe the smear campaign and Bill comments are ridiculously unfair. 

    Thanks for the perspective - something to think about!

  • I hate working. Maybe it's just my job but I've realized I hate working this week after having 2 weeks off.
    This can't possibly be an unpopular opinion.
    Yeah, I think the UO would be "I really like working."

    Which I do! But that's because I'm lucky enough to have a super cool boss and a job I like, which is unfortunately much more the exception than the norm.
  • @AliciaD39  - Anytime and same to you! I love politics talk, though I admit, given my current FB feed I am not very kind about Bernie supporters (perhaps it's the Berniebros, maybe just the same article over and over again saying how "revolutionary" things will be - you know what revolutionary? Russia in 1917, Cuba 1950s, etc - revolution without thought as to consequences is scary) 

    That being said, I think Bernie is a good person and I like him. I'm just never going to be -for- him. 

    Added to that, I suppose, is the independent - or rather, the case of an independent splitting the vote. Say we get Bernie as the Dem nominee - he's a self proclaimed socialist and very far to the left. A lot of Dems are not behind this brand of radical. Then Bloomi runs. He's just left wing enough (socially that is) to actually sway a lot of support from the Dems. Which means splitting that vote, which means it will be less likely that the Dems with get the win. 

    Alternatively, what is Cruz or Trump - the two candidates people generally seem to agree on as being far right and a little insane - win and face off against Bernie, with Bloomi as an independent ... now that may be interesting, but I am just too timid to bet on a good outcome :S 

    Anyways, am always up for politics, so feel free to debate me anytime! :D 
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  • businessmamabusinessmama member
    edited February 2016
    @AmmyBelle theberniebros are just trolling. And I can't imagine the craziness on facebook- I've stayed away from it the last three years.

    I am curious to your thoughts on the documentary Inequality for All, if you have seen it, and if you think any of the candidates would have any impact. 

    Also- my UO is how people are now bashing the scale. I get that it isn't the only tool we have to measure healthiness, but for me personally, it helps keep me in check. It may not work for everyone, but mine reminds me when I need to back off the junk occasionally. 
  • @AliciaD39 - it's on my list actually! I am sorely behind in watching things. Except the new season of The X-Files, which I make time for. (Priorities, am I right?) :)
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  • AmmyBelle said:
    @AliciaD39 - it's on my list actually! I am sorely behind in watching things. Except the new season of The X-Files, which I make time for. (Priorities, am I right?) :)
    Seen the one with Rhys Dharby in it yet! Yay for kiwis on screen
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  • Another random yet mild thought from me - I strongly dislike the color purple. I can kind of deal with periwinkle or lavendar but straight up purple hurts my eyes. 
    I feel the same way about bright orange. It was really fun working at Home Depot back in the day!
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  • KaKipKaKip member
    edited February 2016
    @AliciaD39 , I though Inequality for All was outstanding. I think I need to watch it again to full absorb the ideas as I am not an economics whiz but I think it is a very thought provoking movie. I'd def. say Bernie's message is closest.    
    Having said that, I still don't know who I support between Bernie and Hillary. 
  • KaKipKaKip member
    edited February 2016
    @AGK2015 , that is very helpful information. What about capital gains taxes?My understanding is that those are taxed at a lower rate than income.... If so, that just seems patently wrong to me. 
  • KaKip said:
    @AGK2015 , that is very helpful information. What about capital gains taxes?My understanding is that those are taxed at a lower rate than income.... If so, that just seems patently wrong to me. 
    Not super familiar with them (because I've never had to pay them), but I'm pretty sure you're right. For long term capital gains (on investments over a certain length of time), I think the rate is 0% for the first amount, around 15% for a big chunk over that, and it tops out at 20% no matter how much you make.  Encourages long term investing, which is great if you've actually got money to invest... but it also means that folks like Donald Trump and Warren Buffett, who aren't getting salaries like the rest of us are, are making out like bandits, compared to the rest of us.  

    The other big piece would be FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare), which are one flat rate for everybody on the first $118,500 of income.  You don't pay any SS taxes on income above $118,500 (you do still pay a little bit towards Medicare); people who make less than $118,500 pay a higher percentage of their income towards FICA taxes than those who make more.  
  • I'm going to deviate from politics with my UO.  My UO is probably not really a true UO.  I'm sure many probably share my same predicament.

    My UO is the vague picture (with no word) instructions on baby stuff on how to collapse it and put it back up again.  Today I scored a Fisher Price Jumperoo thingy (closest thing I can find to call it online) at Once Upon A Child.  I got lucky and the person was bringing it in right when I got there so I waited around front and pounced on it as soon as they put a price on it.   I was driving the small truck (Ford Ranger - they are pretty small) and did not want to ride around with it in the back (I don't know how to work the straps).  After I bought it I took it outside and spent about 20 minutes or more (I kid you not) trying to figure out how to collapse it.  The diagram was vague and was positioned in a bad spot on the bottom of the plastic seat.  It even skipped a necessary step.   Please tell me that all the instructions on all baby stuff isn't that vague? 




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  • @nerdymama15 For the most it is unfortunately. HOWEVER, YouTube is awesome with instructions for a lot of things. I put my pack n play, bassinet, crib, stroller, and tricycle together all thanks to YouTube. The instructions were crap.
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  • @nerdymama15 For the most it is unfortunately. HOWEVER, YouTube is awesome with instructions for a lot of things. I put my pack n play, bassinet, crib, stroller, and tricycle together all thanks to YouTube. The instructions were crap.
    I LOVE YouTube.  YouTube helps me cook and taught me how to loom knit.


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    • EDD: 09/28/2015
    • Incomplete MC: 02/28/2015

    Second Pregnancy

    • BFP: 09/11/2015
    • EDD: 05/25/2016
    Baby Born
    04/15/2016



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  • ^ YouTube helped me pick a lock when the girl I babysit locked my son in our back bedroom. True story.

    But I can't tell you how many times I've put up the pnp and it's hit and miss whether it's going to take me 1 minute or 20. Those things can be so finicky!!
  • js8812js8812 member
    edited February 2016
    Sorry to keep Thursday's post going, but I was swamped yesterday.  FYI:

    https://www.vox.com/2016/1/22/10814798/bernie-sanders-tax-rates


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  • @js8812 Do you have the same thing for Hilary or the other candidates? I'm curious how they compare since it looks like Payroll taxes are what is recommended to change significantly. I can of course google it too :)
  • @AliciaD39 I haven't seen one like this.  I'll post it if I find one!
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