Can you all go away now? I get it. I'm terrible. My son is going to have a horrible life because mommy and daddy are going to tell him to man up if he cries over dumb things as a preteen and won't let him have tea parties or wear dresses. Now. How the hell do you close these boards from further commenting.
Nice try. You cant tell anyone how to post and you cant close this thread.
Maybe, instead of being so defensive, you should take a few days and really think about what all of these posters are saying. They might have some really valid points, that could help build or save your relationship with your son.
I just figured since it's my thread originally I could close it. My bad. This community is hilarious. You're all loving and nurturing and "here to help" until someone has differing views. I don't worry about my relationship with my son. For all of my siblings and relatives and friends sons all turned out to be boyish boys (who love their parents) because of HOW THEY WERE RAISED.
Quote fail....
What is your definition of 'boyish'? If your son is gay but 'boyish' is this still ok to you? I'm confused on what 'boyish' means to you? That he doesn't play with tea sets? That he doesn't show emotions? That he's straight? What is it?
this is so sexist i cant even handle it. you realize men are human too, yes? they feel emotions just as women do, yet they are expected to "man up". i sure hope he turns out to be the "man" you're expecting him to be, for his sake. so heartbreaking.
Can you all go away now? I get it. I'm terrible. My son is going to have a horrible life because mommy and daddy are going to tell him to man up if he cries over dumb things as a preteen and won't let him have tea parties or wear dresses. Now. How the hell do you close these boards from further commenting.
Nice try. You cant tell anyone how to post and you cant close this thread.
Maybe, instead of being so defensive, you should take a few days and really think about what all of these posters are saying. They might have some really valid points, that could help build or save your relationship with your son.
I just figured since it's my thread originally I could close it. My bad. This community is hilarious. You're all loving and nurturing and "here to help" until someone has differing views. I don't worry about my relationship with my son. For all of my siblings and relatives and friends sons all turned out to be boyish boys (who love their parents) because of HOW THEY WERE RAISED.
I absolutely believe this. I'm sure where you live, these beliefs are the norm and yes I'm thankful I don't live there but I'm sure however you raise your son, he will fit in just fine with the rest of the folks that share your beliefs.
I do happen to believe that a lot of what you're saying is what's wrong with the world today but there's nothing I can really do to change that.
My heart hurts for little boys that are not allowed to feel and express deep emotions. What is wrong with a man having a tender sensitive heart? I was raised by one of those tender hearted men. He raised his kids to have a love for art and music, taught us to garden, loved to decorate and encouraged his kids to read and love history. he was such a wonderful dad and he raised successful children. I have a family, my sister graduated college and works full time in her field of study, my brother is in the air force and my other brother is in college. Nobody was damaged by having a sensitive dad. We benefited from being raised by someone who was himself and didn't apologize for it. So I don't appreciate when parents say they will make sure their kids fit their stereotypical gender roles. It isn't fair to the kid or the people those kid's lives will touch as they grow.
I'm just sitting here after enjoying some lasagna that my DH made this afternoon after he told me to put my feet up and relax. He also did the grocery shopping and bought me flowers and told me I'm beautiful.
I'm just sitting here after enjoying some lasagna that my DH made this afternoon after he told me to put my feet up and relax. He also did the grocery shopping and bought me flowers and told me I'm beautiful.
He should really "man up".
I also want to add that whether or not your son loves hockey, hunting or other "man stuff" is not a reflection of your parenting whatsoever. He's going to like what he's going to like and he who he is going to be. However, whether or not he's comfortable in his own skin will be a reflection on your parenting.
OP I was totally on your side re Fat Baby. Now I am saddened by your comments. Have any of you seen this video? I think it's pretty powerful and fits in well here. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJQBjWYDTs
OP I was totally on your side re Fat Baby. Now I am saddened by your comments. Have any of you seen this video? I think it's pretty powerful and fits in well here. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XjJQBjWYDTs
My heart hurts for little boys that are not allowed to feel and express deep emotions. What is wrong with a man having a tender sensitive heart? I was raised by one of those tender hearted men. He raised his kids to have a love for art and music, taught us to garden, loved to decorate and encouraged his kids to read and love history. he was such a wonderful dad and he raised successful children. I have a family, my sister graduated college and works full time in her field of study, my brother is in the air force and my other brother is in college. Nobody was damaged by having a sensitive dad. We benefited from being raised by someone who was himself and didn't apologize for it. So I don't appreciate when parents say they will make sure their kids fit their stereotypical gender roles. It isn't fair to the kid or the people those kid's lives will touch as they grow.
Unfortunately I think that if the OP's son did all those things you described, it would be frowned upon and that's a shame. I'm not sure where OP lives but it's quite clear the things you listed about your dad are NOT things OP or her community/friends/family/peers would accept. It's too bad really but that's what she sees as normal and it blows me away because that's nothing like the beliefs of the area I live in and the people I know. So completely different.
I was all for you OP because I've called my LO a "chubba wubba" (Affectionately, I am a bigger woman so I do know how words can hurt.) But now...?
Your backwoods, backwards views are absolutely disgusting. It breaks my heart that you're going to try to mold your child into something he might not even be, and that's cruelty in my eyes.
Boys and men have the same right to show and feel emotions as women and girls do. Women and girls have the same right to enjoy hunting and football as men and boys do. This thread has broke my heart in more ways than one. You're setting your son up for a lifetime of disappointment.
All of you ladies that say you are heartbroken for my unborn child: chill with the melodrama. There's nothing wrong with male chefs. Holy shit. Alright, since everyone keeps asking, I would have a hard time with my son being gay. We'd accept it, and love him regardless, but it'd be rough considering we both come from Christian homes. We're taught to love the sinner and hate the sin though, so it wouldn't make me love my baby boy any less. "Man up" is something I'm told as a girl. It just means stop acting like a little baby. I tell my brother to man up when he makes a football play and hurts his hand and makes that "I just got shot" face. I tell my DH to man up when the dog pukes and he doesn't want to clean it up. Yes I know "acting like a girl" has a negative connotation, and I know I used it negatively, sorry feminists (not being sarcastic, seriously, sorry). I won't be forcing things my child hates down his throat after he tries them and hates them, but he will try them, and I see no harm in that. MEN ARE ALLOWED TO SHOW EMOTION. I never said they weren't. I said if he's being a girl (sorry I'll change it), if he's being a baby about something and he's not a baby, I'm going to call him out on it. Not rudely, but I'll ask him if he's 2 and if he's not 2 then why is he acting like it. I like when my DH cries over the baby kicking for the first time, or when my dad has those moments of emotionally telling all of us kids how much he loves and misses us. My father is a great balance of a man. He's the manliest person I've ever met. He hunts and he fishes and he works on trucks and he knows everything you need to know about them. But he'll do dinner (always something on the BBQ), bring my mom flowers, and watch One Tree Hill with me. I am not saying men showing emotions is bad. I am saying we will raise our son to like boy things, and teach our children not to be sensitive about everything. Even when we have a girl.
Can you all go away now? I get it. I'm terrible. My son is going to have a horrible life because mommy and daddy are going to tell him to man up if he cries over dumb things as a preteen and won't let him have tea parties or wear dresses. Now. How the hell do you close these boards from further commenting.
I just want my child to be happy. The only difference between a boy and a girl is how they pee. Gender stereotypes are ridiculous. I hunt, fish, live on a farm, enjoy baseball and played sports growing up. My parents never once said a thing about it and I would never say anything to my future daughter if she did the same. You can try to force a child to be a certain way but you will always loose. Either the kid will listen and be unhappy with life and develop depression or worse and/or will realize how wrong you are and will hate you for it if you are unwilling to change your thinking.
I'm going to go play some call of duty ... I mean mop the floors and cook while wearing a dress.
"I am saying we will raise our son to like boy things, and teach our children not to be sensitive about everything. Even when we have a girl." You are driving me insane because you seem to be deliberately missing the point. You can't raise your son to like ANYTHING he doesn't have an inclination to like. These boys & girls that come out of our bodies are individuals. They don't know what "boys like" or are supposed to like. They know what appeals to them. Period. Literally NOTHING YOU DO will program them as you desire.
Some kids are sensitive by nature. That's not a bad thing. There is strength in sensitivity. Listening & being quick to comfort are not negative things. Stop saying they are.
If my kid (2) falls down I help them back up & if he wants cuddles or to breast feed-- I do. Because until they are young men they are still babies. Your babies.
My little girl is dramatic by nature. I don't tell her to buck up. I stop, listen & ask how I can help. If I want to raise strong children I do so by fostering an understanding, NOT suppression of sad emotions or needy emotions.
Sometimes they hurt or feel frustrated. Telling them to "man up" doesn't acknowledge their real, valid emotions. It rug-sweeps them so they learn not to deal with them. It rug sweeps them so they learn to perform for you & "be a man". Later that comes out as anger, aggression & fear.
Sensitive does not equal weak. It equals awareness of their needs. Please look outside these rigid, unbending mind sets that teach you oppression, suppression & favoring the strong. The strong don't get that way by never being weak.
Guys. I grew up doing "boyish" things. I hunt and bail hay and fish and loved the dirt and know how to change my own whatever needs changed on a car. I was also a cheerleader and then a cheerleading coach and do prom & wedding makeup. I am not saying boys can't cook and girls can't bait a damn hook. Yes I stirred the pot. Some of you modest Molly's pissed me the fuck off and I started being more extreme than I should have been. It's just ridiculous how butt hurt internet strangers can get. And I'm still pissed some of you women said you were heartbroken for my son. You know nothing about this pregnancy and how much it was wanted and how many issues we've had during the pregnancy and how the health of our little one (and myself recently) is #1 priority. I want my son to enjoy gender norm things. I don't see that as a crime. I just don't.
Every overly sensitive adult I know has over-nurturing parents. Not exaggerating. Every single one of them. I'm not saying I won't be a nurturing mom. I'll probably be really annoying at first with all my affection and protection. But I don't think it's normal for a 15 year old boy to cry because he fell and skinned his knee up at soccer practice. And yes I know that our children are individuals, but WE ARE THEIR PARENTS AND THEIR ATTITUDES REFLECT OUR PARENTING and argue with me all you want, I'll always believe that.
Guys. I grew up doing "boyish" things. I hunt and bail hay and fish and loved the dirt and know how to change my own whatever needs changed on a car. I was also a cheerleader and then a cheerleading coach and do prom & wedding makeup. I am not saying boys can't cook and girls can't bait a damn hook. Yes I stirred the pot. Some of you modest Molly's pissed me the fuck off and I started being more extreme than I should have been. It's just ridiculous how butt hurt internet strangers can get. And I'm still pissed some of you women said you were heartbroken for my son. You know nothing about this pregnancy and how much it was wanted and how many issues we've had during the pregnancy and how the health of our little one (and myself recently) is #1 priority. I want my son to enjoy gender norm things. I don't see that as a crime. I just don't.
Just catching up. Oh man, this went so far off the rails, and honestly OP, you've got no one to blame for that but yourself. Call out everybody else's "melodrama" all you want, but these gender norm issues are REAL issues, and girl, the issues here are YOURS.
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This thread frustrates me and saddens me for the OP's son. This little boy has such weight on him already. Heaven forbid if he is overweight, effeminate and not "gender normal".
Every overly sensitive adult I know has over-nurturing parents. Not exaggerating. Every single one of them. I'm not saying I won't be a nurturing mom. I'll probably be really annoying at first with all my affection and protection. But I don't think it's normal for a 15 year old boy to cry because he fell and skinned his knee up at soccer practice. And yes I know that our children are individuals, but WE ARE THEIR PARENTS AND THEIR ATTITUDES REFLECT OUR PARENTING and argue with me all you want, I'll always believe that.
Ok OP, asides from your views on gender (which while I totally disagree, I doubt my tirade on the subject will change your mind) I'm going to offer you some language to use.
What I'm hearing from your posts is that you want your child to be resilient. Resilience is the ability to bounce back and deal with difficult situations. There are lots of amazing resources about resilience and how to develop it in children. It will really help you when your son is older because hearing "I want you to be/show resilience" or (even better) "I like how you're being resilient" is a far more affirming, positive statement than "Stop being feminine/weak".
This isn't new age parenting, these are established, scientifically proven methods to increase life skills that will help him become a well-rounded, functioning adult. It will also help him define what strengths he has outside of his masculinity. Both women and men have to be resilient.
I think you'll be glad to hear that one thing parents can do to improve resilience is to allow children to fall down, make mistakes and even, yes, participate in team sports. Your role as a parent then would be to aid your son in getting back up and processing emotions *healthily* rather than picking up the pieces for them if that makes sense. I dare say if you use language such as "resilient" rather than "not feminine" you'll find a lot more support for the kind of parent you want to be from a broader range of mums.
All of you ladies that say you are heartbroken for my unborn child: chill with the melodrama. There's nothing wrong with male chefs. Holy shit. Alright, since everyone keeps asking, I would have a hard time with my son being gay. We'd accept it, and love him regardless, but it'd be rough considering we both come from Christian homes. We're taught to love the sinner and hate the sin though, so it wouldn't make me love my baby boy any less. "Man up" is something I'm told as a girl. It just means stop acting like a little baby. I tell my brother to man up when he makes a football play and hurts his hand and makes that "I just got shot" face. I tell my DH to man up when the dog pukes and he doesn't want to clean it up. Yes I know "acting like a girl" has a negative connotation, and I know I used it negatively, sorry feminists (not being sarcastic, seriously, sorry). I won't be forcing things my child hates down his throat after he tries them and hates them, but he will try them, and I see no harm in that. MEN ARE ALLOWED TO SHOW EMOTION. I never said they weren't. I said if he's being a girl (sorry I'll change it), if he's being a baby about something and he's not a baby, I'm going to call him out on it. Not rudely, but I'll ask him if he's 2 and if he's not 2 then why is he acting like it. I like when my DH cries over the baby kicking for the first time, or when my dad has those moments of emotionally telling all of us kids how much he loves and misses us. My father is a great balance of a man. He's the manliest person I've ever met. He hunts and he fishes and he works on trucks and he knows everything you need to know about them. But he'll do dinner (always something on the BBQ), bring my mom flowers, and watch One Tree Hill with me. I am not saying men showing emotions is bad. I am saying we will raise our son to like boy things, and teach our children not to be sensitive about everything. Even when we have a girl.
So much ignorance here it makes me cringe. As a Psychology major and having received a degree in Psychology i'm so irritated by the damage you will cause in your children's future. This way of thinking is harmful and dangerous and can set these poor children up for so much pent up anger/anxiety/depression. I wish you could just know how harmful this is
All of you ladies that say you are heartbroken for my unborn child: chill with the melodrama. There's nothing wrong with male chefs. Holy shit. Alright, since everyone keeps asking, I would have a hard time with my son being gay. We'd accept it, and love him regardless, but it'd be rough considering we both come from Christian homes. We're taught to love the sinner and hate the sin though, so it wouldn't make me love my baby boy any less. "Man up" is something I'm told as a girl. It just means stop acting like a little baby. I tell my brother to man up when he makes a football play and hurts his hand and makes that "I just got shot" face. I tell my DH to man up when the dog pukes and he doesn't want to clean it up. Yes I know "acting like a girl" has a negative connotation, and I know I used it negatively, sorry feminists (not being sarcastic, seriously, sorry). I won't be forcing things my child hates down his throat after he tries them and hates them, but he will try them, and I see no harm in that. MEN ARE ALLOWED TO SHOW EMOTION. I never said they weren't. I said if he's being a girl (sorry I'll change it), if he's being a baby about something and he's not a baby, I'm going to call him out on it. Not rudely, but I'll ask him if he's 2 and if he's not 2 then why is he acting like it. I like when my DH cries over the baby kicking for the first time, or when my dad has those moments of emotionally telling all of us kids how much he loves and misses us. My father is a great balance of a man. He's the manliest person I've ever met. He hunts and he fishes and he works on trucks and he knows everything you need to know about them. But he'll do dinner (always something on the BBQ), bring my mom flowers, and watch One Tree Hill with me. I am not saying men showing emotions is bad. I am saying we will raise our son to like boy things, and teach our children not to be sensitive about everything. Even when we have a girl.
So much ignorance here it makes me cringe. As a Psychology major and having received a degree in Psychology i'm so irritated by the damage you will cause in your children's future. This way of thinking is harmful and dangerous and can set these poor children up for so much pent up anger/anxiety/depression. I wish you could just know how harmful this is
How is it ignorant and dangerous to have my son participate in stereotypical male things? I'll agree I've been a little asshole in above posts. But I'm pretty sure the one you just decided to say is ignorant and tell me I'm going to fuck my child up by parenting how I am is the least ignorant thing I've posted on here. I know so many men raised this way and not one of them will refer to their childhood as damaging or dangerous.
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Re: Fat baby
Quote fail....
What is your definition of 'boyish'?
If your son is gay but 'boyish' is this still ok to you? I'm confused on what 'boyish' means to you? That he doesn't play with tea sets? That he doesn't show emotions? That he's straight? What is it?
i sure hope he turns out to be the "man" you're expecting him to be, for his sake. so heartbreaking.
I absolutely believe this. I'm sure where you live, these beliefs are the norm and yes I'm thankful I don't live there but I'm sure however you raise your son, he will fit in just fine with the rest of the folks that share your beliefs.
I do happen to believe that a lot of what you're saying is what's wrong with the world today but there's nothing I can really do to change that.
He should really "man up".
OP I was totally on your side re Fat Baby. Now I am saddened by your comments. Have any of you seen this video? I think it's pretty powerful and fits in well here.
Unfortunately I think that if the OP's son did all those things you described, it would be frowned upon and that's a shame. I'm not sure where OP lives but it's quite clear the things you listed about your dad are NOT things OP or her community/friends/family/peers would accept. It's too bad really but that's what she sees as normal and it blows me away because that's nothing like the beliefs of the area I live in and the people I know. So completely different.
But now...?
Boys and men have the same right to show and feel emotions as women and girls do. Women and girls have the same right to enjoy hunting and football as men and boys do.
This thread has broke my heart in more ways than one. You're setting your son up for a lifetime of disappointment.
There's nothing wrong with male chefs. Holy shit.
Alright, since everyone keeps asking, I would have a hard time with my son being gay. We'd accept it, and love him regardless, but it'd be rough considering we both come from Christian homes. We're taught to love the sinner and hate the sin though, so it wouldn't make me love my baby boy any less.
"Man up" is something I'm told as a girl. It just means stop acting like a little baby. I tell my brother to man up when he makes a football play and hurts his hand and makes that "I just got shot" face. I tell my DH to man up when the dog pukes and he doesn't want to clean it up. Yes I know "acting like a girl" has a negative connotation, and I know I used it negatively, sorry feminists (not being sarcastic, seriously, sorry). I won't be forcing things my child hates down his throat after he tries them and hates them, but he will try them, and I see no harm in that. MEN ARE ALLOWED TO SHOW EMOTION. I never said they weren't. I said if he's being a girl (sorry I'll change it), if he's being a baby about something and he's not a baby, I'm going to call him out on it. Not rudely, but I'll ask him if he's 2 and if he's not 2 then why is he acting like it. I like when my DH cries over the baby kicking for the first time, or when my dad has those moments of emotionally telling all of us kids how much he loves and misses us. My father is a great balance of a man. He's the manliest person I've ever met. He hunts and he fishes and he works on trucks and he knows everything you need to know about them. But he'll do dinner (always something on the BBQ), bring my mom flowers, and watch One Tree Hill with me. I am not saying men showing emotions is bad. I am saying we will raise our son to like boy things, and teach our children not to be sensitive about everything. Even when we have a girl.
I just want my child to be happy. The only difference between a boy and a girl is how they pee. Gender stereotypes are ridiculous. I hunt, fish, live on a farm, enjoy baseball and played sports growing up. My parents never once said a thing about it and I would never say anything to my future daughter if she did the same.
You can try to force a child to be a certain way but you will always loose. Either the kid will listen and be unhappy with life and develop depression or worse and/or will realize how wrong you are and will hate you for it if you are unwilling to change your thinking.
I'm going to go play some call of duty ... I mean mop the floors and cook while wearing a dress.
You are driving me insane because you seem to be deliberately missing the point. You can't raise your son to like ANYTHING he doesn't have an inclination to like. These boys & girls that come out of our bodies are individuals. They don't know what "boys like" or are supposed to like. They know what appeals to them. Period. Literally NOTHING YOU DO will program them as you desire.
Some kids are sensitive by nature. That's not a bad thing. There is strength in sensitivity. Listening & being quick to comfort are not negative things. Stop saying they are.
If my kid (2) falls down I help them back up & if he wants cuddles or to breast feed-- I do. Because until they are young men they are still babies. Your babies.
My little girl is dramatic by nature. I don't tell her to buck up. I stop, listen & ask how I can help. If I want to raise strong children I do so by fostering an understanding, NOT suppression of sad emotions or needy emotions.
Sometimes they hurt or feel frustrated. Telling them to "man up" doesn't acknowledge their real, valid emotions. It rug-sweeps them so they learn not to deal with them. It rug sweeps them so they learn to perform for you & "be a man". Later that comes out as anger, aggression & fear.
Sensitive does not equal weak. It equals awareness of their needs. Please look outside these rigid, unbending mind sets that teach you oppression, suppression & favoring the strong. The strong don't get that way by never being weak.
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This thread frustrates me and saddens me for the OP's son. This little boy has such weight on him already. Heaven forbid if he is overweight, effeminate and not "gender normal".
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What I'm hearing from your posts is that you want your child to be resilient. Resilience is the ability to bounce back and deal with difficult situations. There are lots of amazing resources about resilience and how to develop it in children. It will really help you when your son is older because hearing
"I want you to be/show resilience" or (even better) "I like how you're being resilient" is a far more affirming, positive statement than
"Stop being feminine/weak".
This isn't new age parenting, these are established, scientifically proven methods to increase life skills that will help him become a well-rounded, functioning adult. It will also help him define what strengths he has outside of his masculinity. Both women and men have to be resilient.
I think you'll be glad to hear that one thing parents can do to improve resilience is to allow children to fall down, make mistakes and even, yes, participate in team sports. Your role as a parent then would be to aid your son in getting back up and processing emotions *healthily* rather than picking up the pieces for them if that makes sense. I dare say if you use language such as "resilient" rather than "not feminine" you'll find a lot more support for the kind of parent you want to be from a broader range of mums.
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