WHEN DID U FIND GENDER?

missemmawoodhouse · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I wasn't arguing, I was simply asking a question. As for science, it is all an argument, all they do is try to prove each other wrong every chance they get. It changes constantly. Not really a fan. Good luck in your pursuit to change the entire population's opinion on the name of a party. @mmk29

Legit LOL that "gender reveal party" is a universal thing. Everyone in the world knows the sky is orange, @mmk29! Stop telling me it is blue! :P

Peony1982 · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
If we can't use the term GENDER, then why is it called a gender reveal party?? Should we change the name to sex reveal party?

No, we should abolish them altogether bc they are just big AW-fests

LizQ2 · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I wasn't arguing, I was simply asking a question. As for science, it is all an argument, all they do is try to prove each other wrong every chance they get. It changes constantly. Not really a fan. Good luck in your pursuit to change the entire population's opinion on the name of a party. @mmk29

You're not a fan of science? Ummm okay, that's different.

mmk29 · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I wasn't arguing, I was simply asking a question. As for science, it is all an argument, all they do is try to prove each other wrong every chance they get. It changes constantly. Not really a fan. Good luck in your pursuit to change the entire population's opinion on the name of a party. @mmk29

I happen to be a very big fan of science and logic for that matter. Thanks for the good luck, at least I'm working toward being sympathetic toward a populations feelings.

gerblah · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I wasn't arguing, I was simply asking a question. As for science, it is all an argument, all they do is try to prove each other wrong every chance they get. It changes constantly. Not really a fan. Good luck in your pursuit to change the entire population's opinion on the name of a party. @mmk29

Did you just say that you are not a fan of science?

mmk29 · May 2015

gerblah said:

ShianeNicole said:
I wasn't arguing, I was simply asking a question. As for science, it is all an argument, all they do is try to prove each other wrong every chance they get. It changes constantly. Not really a fan. Good luck in your pursuit to change the entire population's opinion on the name of a party. @mmk29
Did you just say that you are not a fan of science?

She did and apparently the name of some party is wayyyy more important than that of the feelings of a significant amount of people.

thegingeravenger · May 2015

amanda97531 said:
So... After reading the almost constant debate about gender vs. sex on this board and doing my own research I have a question. I hope that no one takes this the wrong way because I'm genuinely curious and believe in equality and being sensitive to others, which is why I have the question in the first place. Once you find out the sex is it no longer appropriate to buy and/or register for gender specific items? This might be an ignorant question and if it is I'm sorry. I just don't want to be offensive to anyone and a lot of you ladies seem to want to help.

Disclaimer: I am an ally, but I'm relatively new in the grand scheme of things. I have family that is gay, but I don't know anyone personally that is transgender (that I know of).

I wouldn't think so. In my mind, it's just the idea that someone's gender is set in stone before birth. Everyone picks their gender in the long run. It's just the difference between being closed minded and not acknowledging that it's an issue or being able to accept that your child may identify as the opposite sex one day. Admittedly, I could be way off base there. Great question. If I'm wrong, please tell me!

Elyse1384 · May 2015

mmk29 said:

gerblah said:

ShianeNicole said:
I wasn't arguing, I was simply asking a question. As for science, it is all an argument, all they do is try to prove each other wrong every chance they get. It changes constantly. Not really a fan. Good luck in your pursuit to change the entire population's opinion on the name of a party. @mmk29
Did you just say that you are not a fan of science?
She did and apparently the name of some party is wayyyy more important than that of the feelings of a significant amount of people.

In fairness the party in question has balloons and cake. Boring science just has facts and relevant information to the human species

LinMmmm · May 2015

gerblah said:

ShianeNicole said:
I wasn't arguing, I was simply asking a question. As for science, it is all an argument, all they do is try to prove each other wrong every chance they get. It changes constantly. Not really a fan. Good luck in your pursuit to change the entire population's opinion on the name of a party. @mmk29
Did you just say that you are not a fan of science?

What!?! "Not a fan" of science says the person with a pg test in their profile pic. #firstworldproblems

doodleoodle · May 2015

thegingeravenger said:

amanda97531 said:
So... After reading the almost constant debate about gender vs. sex on this board and doing my own research I have a question. I hope that no one takes this the wrong way because I'm genuinely curious and believe in equality and being sensitive to others, which is why I have the question in the first place. Once you find out the sex is it no longer appropriate to buy and/or register for gender specific items? This might be an ignorant question and if it is I'm sorry. I just don't want to be offensive to anyone and a lot of you ladies seem to want to help.
Disclaimer: I am an ally, but I'm relatively new in the grand scheme of things. I have family that is gay, but I don't know anyone personally that is transgender (that I know of).

I wouldn't think so. In my mind, it's just the idea that someone's gender is set in stone before birth. Everyone picks their gender in the long run. It's just the difference between being closed minded and not acknowledging that it's an issue or being able to accept that your child may identify as the opposite sex one day. Admittedly, I could be way off base there. Great question. If I'm wrong, please tell me!

Thank you so much for your response! I have a younger sibling that recently told me they are experiencing gender dysphoria (their words) and they have asked, "When do you find out the gender of the baby?" So it never occurred to me that term could be offensive until I read it here. So I did some Googling and I understand how some may be sensitive to the word. I then became concerned that assigning a gender to our babies based on the sex could be offensive to some. I just didn't know if maybe I was taking it too far or not.

dogsombrero · May 2015

For those who don't understand gender vs sex. My brother is a gay male his girlfriend is a transgendered woman (aka born with boy bits identifies as female).

To her it is offensive to be called male etc although she is very kind and gracious about informing others of the right terms to use and takes the time to educate others.

Yes those who use sex/gender interchangeably do not mean harm but it is not correct. This is something that we should all be aware of and try to improve. It does the writer or speaker no harm to treat each individual with respect in regards to their identities.

kmkrushi · May 2015

thegingeravenger said:

amanda97531 said:
So... After reading the almost constant debate about gender vs. sex on this board and doing my own research I have a question. I hope that no one takes this the wrong way because I'm genuinely curious and believe in equality and being sensitive to others, which is why I have the question in the first place. Once you find out the sex is it no longer appropriate to buy and/or register for gender specific items? This might be an ignorant question and if it is I'm sorry. I just don't want to be offensive to anyone and a lot of you ladies seem to want to help.
Disclaimer: I am an ally, but I'm relatively new in the grand scheme of things. I have family that is gay, but I don't know anyone personally that is transgender (that I know of).

I wouldn't think so. In my mind, it's just the idea that someone's gender is set in stone before birth. Everyone picks their gender in the long run. It's just the difference between being closed minded and not acknowledging that it's an issue or being able to accept that your child may identify as the opposite sex one day. Admittedly, I could be way off base there. Great question. If I'm wrong, please tell me!

I definitely went girly pink with DD'S room and stuff at the beginning. As she's grown I've allowed her to be herself and she's moved away from some of the girly frills. I got her cars and dolls to play with, and she does. She's pretty rough and tumble, but still loves to dance and put on jewelry.

I'm not really sure if that helped answer your question. But I think it's more about allowing children to grow up to be the person they are.

ShianeNicole · May 2015

I really don't agree with 90% of this conversation. I'm not insensitive to a population, I don't judge transgender people. I just prefer to raise my child according to the bible rather than science. People in this generation get so sensitive over words and personally I don't care what society thinks of me or my family. We live according to our church and God. That is all. Most of you will be judgemental about that but not about the world we live in today. Everyone has a choice, and we choose our church's view. That is all.

lakesideknitter · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I don't judge transgender people...
...Most of you will be judgemental [sic] about that but not about the world we live in today.

I think you contradicted yourself there? Are we supposed to be judgmental or no?

QueenWaldorf · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I really don't agree with 90% of this conversation. I'm not insensitive to a population, I don't judge transgender people. I just prefer to raise my child according to the bible rather than science. People in this generation get so sensitive over words and personally I don't care what society thinks of me or my family. We live according to our church and God. That is all. Most of you will be judgemental about that but not about the world we live in today. Everyone has a choice, and we choose our church's view. That is all.

This is what give Christians like myself a bad name.
I really don't know which part of the Bible says being sensitive to all people regardless of the way they live their lives is not in accordance with the faith.
I'd love to be enlightened though.

mmk29 · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I really don't agree with 90% of this conversation. I'm not insensitive to a population, I don't judge transgender people. I just prefer to raise my child according to the bible rather than science. People in this generation get so sensitive over words and personally I don't care what society thinks of me or my family. We live according to our church and God. That is all. Most of you will be judgemental about that but not about the world we live in today. Everyone has a choice, and we choose our church's view. That is all.

I didn't realize the church has such a strong stance on "gender reveal parties". I apologize.

doodleoodle · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I really don't agree with 90% of this conversation. I'm not insensitive to a population, I don't judge transgender people. I just prefer to raise my child according to the bible rather than science. People in this generation get so sensitive over words and personally I don't care what society thinks of me or my family. We live according to our church and God. That is all. Most of you will be judgemental about that but not about the world we live in today. Everyone has a choice, and we choose our church's view. That is all.

I respect your viewpoint 100% and I think it's wrong to poke fun at you for saying you're not a fan of science. I also agree that there are a lot of overly sensitive people on both sides, religious and otherwise. I don't think that using the term sex instead of gender has to impact the way you raise your child or necessarily mean you've changed your viewpoint. It's just being sensitive to a growing population of people that are really struggling.

MadBloom · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I wasn't arguing, I was simply asking a question. As for science, it is all an argument, all they do is try to prove each other wrong every chance they get. It changes constantly. Not really a fan. Good luck in your pursuit to change the entire population's opinion on the name of a party. @mmk29

Honestly if you look how these conversations go here and consider this pool of people to be a microcosm of the world as a whole then you can clearly determine that your stance is the minority.

No one is trying to change an "entire populations opinion". It seems like it's a small minority that's fighting back and making a stink about things. Those in the minority are going to look pretty silly in a few years.

ShianeNicole · May 2015

No we are not, but I think I will be judged for following the bible. Clearly what I just said.

ShianeNicole · May 2015

I agree @amanda97531 I know sex and gender are two different things. I just don't have the same viewpoint when it comes to them. I agree with your point that it doesn't change our views! Thank you

doodleoodle · May 2015

You're welcome @ShianeNicole

ShianeNicole · May 2015

I don't know anyone at all that calls it a "sex reveal party" that's what I was referring to as the entire population. The entire population of people who say gender reveal party. @MadBloom

QueenWaldorf · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I don't know anyone at all that calls it a "sex reveal party" that's what I was referring to as the entire population. The entire population of people who say gender reveal party. @MadBloom

The entire population has gender reveals?
Well this is news to me. :-??

thefithuntress · May 2015

amanda97531 said:
So... After reading the almost constant debate about gender vs. sex on this board and doing my own research I have a question. I hope that no one takes this the wrong way because I'm genuinely curious and believe in equality and being sensitive to others, which is why I have the question in the first place. Once you find out the sex is it no longer appropriate to buy and/or register for gender specific items? This might be an ignorant question and if it is I'm sorry. I just don't want to be offensive to anyone and a lot of you ladies seem to want to help.

Hey. You're awesome. It's great that you're asking questions and being nice to everyone. That's what this discussion is all about, being sensitive and compassionate. I love how PP's answered this and I figured I'd share too.

We're doing a gender-neutral nursery, stroller, car seat, some clothing items, etc. Regardless of the sex of our baby we both have a certain style so our baby will have a lot of geeky onesies. I will probably dress my baby in cute dresses once in a while or suspenders and a bow tie, depending on whether baby's a boy or girl biologically. When my child develops a preference I'll support it. I read comic books and played video games and had Barbie dolls. Who knows what our kids will like? I think the overall point is to show openness and compassion from the get-go, and to encourage your child to be comfortable in their own skin. That is my top priority as a parent, aside from the obvious stuff like food and shelter.

QueenWaldorf · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
No we are not, but I think I will be judged for following the bible. Clearly what I just said.

I'd also like to point out that this group has been sensitive enough to ensure they don't offend someone for their gender identity that I truly believe they will not be judgmental based on beliefs but may be turned off by your attitude.

doodleoodle · May 2015

@thefithuntress Awe shucks... I think you're awesome! Thanks for your response. That really helps. I felt kind of silly asking and that some people might have taken it the wrong way because it's such a sensitive subject, but I'm glad that I did. I think we'll probably end up doing something similar with a gender neutral nursery and buying a variety of clothes and toys. If I had a little girl I just wanted to be able to put her in dresses sometimes and I've seen such cute little suits too. I was so torn. Thanks again to everyone who responded!

thefithuntress · May 2015

amanda97531 said:
@thefithuntress Awe shucks... I think you're awesome! Thanks for your response. That really helps. I felt kind of silly asking and that some people might have taken it the wrong way because it's such a sensitive subject, but I'm glad that I did. I think we'll probably end up doing something similar with a gender neutral nursery and buying a variety of clothes and toys. If I had a little girl I just wanted to be able to put her in dresses sometimes and I've seen such cute little suits too. I was so torn. Thanks again to everyone who responded!

NEVER be afraid to ask a question. We all have a lot to learn from one another.

ShianeNicole · May 2015

I disagree. I feel like the science comments were very judgemental. @QueenWaldorf

DrMommaDVM · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I really don't agree with 90% of this conversation. I'm not insensitive to a population, I don't judge transgender people. I just prefer to raise my child according to the bible rather than science. People in this generation get so sensitive over words and personally I don't care what society thinks of me or my family. We live according to our church and God. That is all. Most of you will be judgemental about that but not about the world we live in today. Everyone has a choice, and we choose our church's view. That is all.

"And God looked down upon the Earth and said 'Thou shalt use the word gender to describe thy anatomical sex' ".

ShianeNicole 3:27

thefithuntress · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I disagree. I feel like the science comments were very judgemental. @QueenWaldorf

What is it about science that you don't like besides the "arguing?" I'd call it trial and error which is essential to draw the correct conclusions, but I want to hear more about your point of view.

I'll be honest, I'm athiest and find comfort in science, but I would never judge you for your faith. You are entitled to believe whatever you wish and I'd like to know more from your perspective.

I also don't necessarily see how our belief in where we came from/where we go when we die affects the people we are here and now. I think compassion and understanding is a must regardless of whether you think there's a god or not.

LinMmmm · May 2015

thefithuntress said:

ShianeNicole said:
I disagree. I feel like the science comments were very judgemental. @QueenWaldorf
What is it about science that you don't like besides the "arguing?" I'd call it trial and error which is essential to draw the correct conclusions, but I want to hear more about your point of view.

I'll be honest, I'm athiest and find comfort in science, but I would never judge you for your faith. You are entitled to believe whatever you wish and I'd like to know more from your perspective.

I also don't necessarily see how our belief in where we came from/where we go when we die affects the people we are here and now. I think compassion and understanding is a must regardless of whether you think there's a god or not.

You pull on my heartstrings.

ShianeNicole · May 2015

Making fun of the bible is just beyond words. Yet somehow I still have mercy and feel for you. Good luck on your journey. @DrMommaDVM

DrMommaDVM · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
Making fun of the bible is just beyond words. Yet somehow I still have mercy and feel for you. Good luck on your journey. @DrMommaDVM

Not making fun of the Bible. Just pointing out your poor interpretation of it. Not surprised you missed the point though.

gumby22c · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
Making fun of the bible is just beyond words. Yet somehow I still have mercy and feel for you. Good luck on your journey. @DrMommaDVM

It was lighthearted. I'm a Christian, but I didn't take offense to that.

Also, the way you refuse to just talk like a normal person about differing views is what's kind of pissing people off. Mercy?? You aren't God, what mercy could you possibly need to show us?

ShianeNicole · May 2015

You're a Christian but didn't take offense to someone making fun of the Bible.. yikes X_X

DrMommaDVM · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
You're a Christian but didn't take offense to someone making fun of the Bible.. yikes X_X

You make some really great arguments....

The point is that you are using your religion to justify your willful and harmful misuse of language. Nobody's buying what you're selling.

gumby22c · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
You're a Christian but didn't take offense to someone making fun of the Bible.. yikes X_X

Yea I didn't take it as making fun of the Bible. I think you really kind of blowing that out of proportion. But I can see we'll never see eye to eye on that, so it's ok. Agree to disagree.

urby87 · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
You're a Christian but didn't take offense to someone making fun of the Bible.. yikes X_X

I took it as poking fun at using the Bible as an excuse to be insensitive about something that's never actually mentioned in the Bible.

fitmama89 · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
I agree @amanda97531 I know sex and gender are two different things. I just don't have the same viewpoint when it comes to them. I agree with your point that it doesn't change our views! Thank you

@ShianeNicole Hope your kid doesn't grow up and come out as LGBT seeing as though you clearly don't have the same "viewpoint". Yikes!

jscasher · May 2015

ShianeNicole said:
You're a Christian but didn't take offense to someone making fun of the Bible.. yikes X_X

Urgh just stop. Christians like YOU are what drove me to question religion as a whole and turn to atheist views. Christians who judge others defeat the entire purpose of what Christianity is about. That "holier than thou" attitude and the high horse ya'll ride in on seriously is what drove me away. There are amazing, loving, kind Christians out there who will respect and care for ANYONE. pretty sure that's what god would have wanted.

But no, please, keep referring to an antiquated, mistranslated book to prove your point. I also hope you don't eat bacon or wear clothes of two different cloths, because that's forbidden in the old testament as well. Oh and tattoos. And mixing meat and dairy. Working on a sunday.

Edit: I have nothing against Christians. I'm merely trying to say that you shouldn't pick and choose your beliefs from the Bible. If you're going to quote scripture about homosexuality, you better be prepared for me to come back regarding the above mentioned other sins found in the old testament. What I DO NOT respect is lack of tolerance for people whose beliefs differ from yours, and those that look down on them because of that.

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