Hi mommys okay first off I am writing this post for ANSWERS not to be JUDGED I am currently 18 weeks and 5 days and only yesterday did I fully quit smoking weed. I smoked because it helped me so much with my morning sickness and to get a appetite. . . I am reading everywhere that they test the baby's urine, first poop, cord blood ect when the baby is born. . my question is how far back can all of those test go ? (The poop, pee, cord blood) and will they take my baby from me because of it? I heard its a new law in Florida please someone give me accurate answers and experiences .. . will I be okay since i quit? Or Will the THC appear?
I can't say for sure but I used to be somewhat involved in drug testing for a company I worked for. With 20+ weeks of sobriety under your belt by that point from a testing standpoint you would likely be okay. If I remember right, at that point only a hair test could (maybe) go back that far. Good for you in taking this step!
Idk Florida's laws on this. I do know that we have a lot of ladies drive here (Asheville, Nc) from Tennessee cuz they will test and arrest mothers for testing positive for weed there. I find this crazy cuz a lot of these moms don't get prenatal care because they are too afraid the dr will test, and they will end up giving birth in jail. I'm not saying it's ok to smoke pot while preggo. I am saying that criminalizing it causes more harm to the baby than good.
As far as how long it's in your system, I would assume the same amount of time to be out of your system as a non pregnant person. But I don't have any specific knowledge on this.
It took my best friend a couple months to get the thc out of her system. You should be ok drink your water and sweat but you have plenty of time to be in the clear.
I don't know the medical side of things, so I'm not sure how long that stuff stays in their system, but I do know the social services side - legally, they can remove a child who tests positive at birth. The thing is, social services isn't looking for a way to take kids out of their home, they're looking for ways to keep kids in the home (or return them home ASAP) - within reason. If you haven't used in months and you're obviously committed to being a parent, no social worker would even want to remove a child and no judge would sign an order for removal even if they did. The best thing you can do right now though is to talk with your doctor, ask how long it takes to leave yours and baby's system, make sure its safe to go off cold turkey, and see what resources there are for pregnant mothers who have used or are using substances so that if (slim slim chance) it's a problem, you can easily show that you have been working on it for months and are fully committed to staying clean. Bottom line is, yes legally they could remove, but I would not be at all worried as long as you do not use again.
Thc sticks to fat cells. Before I got pregnant it took me 4 months to get clean from weed with no exercise and I'm 200 lbs. Every time you smoke it sets you back 45 days. So stay clean and drink water. Really, you'll be fine.
On the bump for 21 weeks it says that baby's first bowel movement is beginning to form. I'm not sure if it had started sooner than that. I"m assuming since that stays in the baby the whole rest of the time, if it's there now, it might still be there at birth. This is no way shape or form medical advice, but since you said you stopped around 18 weeks, it's likely there won't be anything.
I don't think hospitals here (KY) routinely check for drug use unless the mother/baby is symptomatic. Usually it takes pot about 30 days to get out of your system, unless you're heavier like me and @sphillips18 and then it takes a couple weeks longer. A salvia test goes back 3 days, and a hair test can show drug usage for years, but is expensive to test which is why it isn't common.
I hope you stopped not just out of fear of getting caught, but because it's truly what is best for your baby's health. My daughter is adopted and has permanent issues from her birth mother smoking pot during pregnancy. The choices you make now have life long consequences for your baby's life.
I'm not sure how things work everywhere, but I know here where I live they always check baby's poo etc for lots of reasons, they aren't looking for drugs and no one is out there to get you. They would only specifically look for drugs if they had suspicion or good reason (like you've had children taken from you in the past) but I also know that they can go pretty far back with the samples they collect. Just because the THC is out of your urinary system in 30-45 days doesn't mean they still can't get a positive sample from another means. Overall, I wouldn't worry unless you think they have some other reason to test you. Even if they did open an investigation on you doesn't mean they would take or keep your baby. The ultimate goal is to always keep children with their parents whenever possible.
I hope you stopped not just out of fear of getting caught, but because it's truly what is best for your baby's health. My daughter is adopted and has permanent issues from her birth mother smoking pot during pregnancy. The choices you make now have life long consequences for your baby's life.
Don't really agree totally with @piscesmommy222 As much as I do not agree with smoking pot during pregnancy, I know 2 women who smoked cigs heavily and smoked pot. They also both drank alcohol and snorted cocaine throughout there entire pregnancy. Disgusting right? These are my hubby's friends partners, not my friends I'd like to add.
They both went on to have healthy babies, no breathing problems whatsoever. I was gobsmacked. There tougher than we think our LO's but that doesn't give us the right to abuse our bodies whilst pregnant like they did.
I don't think hospitals here (KY) routinely check for drug use unless the mother/baby is symptomatic. Usually it takes pot about 30 days to get out of your system, unless you're heavier like me and @sphillips18 and then it takes a couple weeks longer. A salvia test goes back 3 days, and a hair test can show drug usage for years, but is expensive to test which is why it isn't common.
I don't know about for the rest of KY but in northern KY and Cincinnati area because of the heroin epidemic new laws have been passed in the last year that require every single mom be drug tested (I'm not sure if it's urine or blood) upon being triaged in L&D. If youre urine pops positive for anything, state law requires baby be kept in the hospital for 72 hours to monitor for withdrawal symptoms since they take a minimum of 48 hours to show up. It doesn't mean baby will be removed from you and it doesn't mean baby isn't in your custody in the hospital it just means they can't be discharged at the normal 24 hours.
I have some chronic health issues and have to take narcotic pain medication daily so I've discussed this in depth with my OB and hospital social worker. Since my med is prescribed by a physician as a medical treatment its a diffferent situation but even with it being explained baby will still be held and tested at birth so they know what to watch for. I know I will have a positive drug test because of the Norco I take.
As for the THC, chances are they will test your urine/blood for drugs and only if that pops positive do they test baby. It's not normal protocol to test every baby being born for drugs if there is no reason to believe mom is on drugs based on a negative drug test. If you stop using now, I'm sure that it will be out of your system by the time baby is born. Your body metabolizes things even faster when pregnant.
I'd also strongly encourage you to be honest and open with your OB/midwife about your drug use. I have no judgment for you but your medical team needs to know what's going on. They can work with you and help you get any resources you may need to continue a healthy lifestyle for the remainer of your pregnancy. As pp said, social services doesn't want to take kids unless they absolutely have to. In having a dialogue with your Dr now it will further prove you were honest about your situation and have been working on sobriety.
While I don't agree with smoking anything or drinking while pregnant, I don't necessarily agree with it having to be a life change. I think smoking pot is FAR less harmful than drinking alcohol, and I think it just needs to be fully legalized and regulated. Plus, OP asked for people not to judge.
I hope you stopped not just out of fear of getting caught, but because it's truly what is best for your baby's health. My daughter is adopted and has permanent issues from her birth mother smoking pot during pregnancy. The choices you make now have life long consequences for your baby's life.
Don't really agree totally with @piscesmommy222 As much as I do not agree with smoking pot during pregnancy, I know 2 women who smoked cigs heavily and smoked pot. They also both drank alcohol and snorted cocaine throughout there entire pregnancy. Disgusting right? These are my hubby's friends partners, not my friends I'd like to add.
They both went on to have healthy babies, no breathing problems whatsoever. I was gobsmacked. There tougher than we think our LO's but that doesn't give us the right to abuse our bodies whilst pregnant like they did.
Wow this is wonderful information. Glad to know drugs don't hurt babies. You clearly know more than me who is raising a child affected by in utero drug use!
While I don't agree with smoking anything or drinking while pregnant, I don't necessarily agree with it having to be a life change. I think smoking pot is FAR less harmful than drinking alcohol, and I think it just needs to be fully legalized and regulated. Plus, OP asked for people not to judge.
Please go back and read these posts. No one made judgements, only shared important facts. Judgement would sound like, "wow you are selfish, immature, and don't deserve to have children since you are doing drugs while pregnant." No one said that. It's natural to be concerned.
I'll just say this, I've known mothers that smoked pot during their entire pregnancy and the babies were born perfectly healthy. Marijuana is the least of your worries and alcohol is way worse. Use your best judgement. Honestly if I wasn't dealing with army doctors for this pregnancy I would have smoked weed for my morning sickness too.
Ps many drug affected newborns show up"healthy" at birth and later develop issues with their IQ, motor skills, sensory processing disorders, ADD, ADHD, impulse control problems, immune issues, the list goes on and on.
I would ask the doctor for information on the new law. You don't have to give all the information that you are smoking although I feel like your doctor should be informed about it. I do hope that you do quit only because it's just not safe to assume the baby will be ok because other mothers have smoked with their babies and they were ok. It's not the worst thing but it can do damage.
I hope you stopped not just out of fear of getting caught, but because it's truly what is best for your baby's health. My daughter is adopted and has permanent issues from her birth mother smoking pot during pregnancy. The choices you make now have life long consequences for your baby's life.
Don't really agree totally with @piscesmommy222 As much as I do not agree with smoking pot during pregnancy, I know 2 women who smoked cigs heavily and smoked pot. They also both drank alcohol and snorted cocaine throughout there entire pregnancy. Disgusting right? These are my hubby's friends partners, not my friends I'd like to add.
They both went on to have healthy babies, no breathing problems whatsoever. I was gobsmacked. There tougher than we think our LO's but that doesn't give us the right to abuse our bodies whilst pregnant like they did.
Wow this is wonderful information. Glad to know drugs don't hurt babies. You clearly know more than me who is raising a child affected by in utero drug use!
@piscesmommy222 Oh here we go, all I was saying is that I know 2 women who had heathy babies despite their very unhealthy livestyle I was trying to make the op feel better so she doesn't worry.
And no, I clearly DONT know any better, Im not a doctor or medically trained in anyway.
It is common sense that if I'm saying I am raising a child with life long consequences from her birth mother's drug use, and then you reply saying that you know women who did drugs and everything was fine and babies are tougher than we think (when you have no first hand direct experience) I might find that bothersome and inaccurate information.
Ps many drug affected newborns show up"healthy" at birth and later develop issues with their IQ, motor skills, sensory processing disorders, ADD, ADHD, impulse control problems, immune issues, the list goes on and on.
Both are now 6 years old, one had twins, they are at the top of the class school wise and have no behavioural problems. The other is the same, highly intellectual.
Again I am not justifying it! Just that that isn't always the case.
It is common sense that if I'm saying I am raising a child with life long consequences from her birth mother's drug use, and then you reply saying that you know women who did drugs and everything was fine and babies are tougher than we think (when you have no first hand direct experience) I might find that bothersome and inaccurate information.
You knew what you were saying when you said it.
I know what I said as I said it lol?? I wasn't aiming it at you personally, I mentioned you as what you said isn't always the case. I was looking out for the op, like I said in my previous post, I don't agree with it at all, I was trying to make the op feel better about it all.
If you're getting regular prenatal care, they test for drugs while you're pregnant. I am sure they've already flagged your medical file to have you checked at delivery.
Neither am I saying that. there are some selfish women out there who don't give a flying f**k about the baby their carrying. That's what I was trying to say before. Fortunately for them they went on to have healthy kids.
Kidding....kind of... @x0rissa - I'm sure you'll be find. Don't let stuffy people worry you. I'm in your same boat, and it's no one else's business WHY you chose to quit. I quit around 12 weeks, because I didn't feel I needed it to choke down even water (they put me on Zofran, and I've never seen a lawyers commercial for 'if your baby has a cleft pallet or any other birth defect from smoking weed' but I have seen one for Zofran, so I stopped the zofran, and took a hit..judge me all you like, idgaF.)
As long as you've quit, even just until you're done breastfeeding, good for you. And that's not a judgement. I don't know about the laws in Florida, hell, I dont even know the laws here in California, but it's not something to stress about. If you quit, you quit. I did see a PP say they *might* keep you both in the hospital for 72 hours, but baby is still in your custody, and as long as after your birth you don't say "man, somebody pack a bowl!" I think you'll be fine. Good luck, and PM me if you need support!
Edited to add: My mom told me when she was pregnant with me and my 2 siblings, she smoked cigs heavily, drank Vodka, and smoked the occasional joint (times were different.. I wasn't around for them, but we all know about pregnancy in the 50's...). I don't have asthma, I don't have learning disabilities, and I'm perfectly healthy. My friend Adam, his mom was a junkie during both her pregnancy with him and his brother. We're all in our late 20s. we're all fine.
I don't know that AL tests everyone or not. I do hear about moms testing positive, but I don't know if it's routine or they were symptomatic. CPS does try to keep baby with mom though. I worked at a daycare where some parents had got into some sort of trouble and CPS had classes they could attend on different topics that the kids parents were taking in order to keep the kids in the home. At times I hear about children having to be removed, but meth is usually involved around here. I do agree with pp, I would tell your OB. That way everyone is on the same page and even though they may test you on delivery, you won't have to stress out about them finding out at delivery.
I don't think hospitals here (KY) routinely check for drug use unless the mother/baby is symptomatic. Usually it takes pot about 30 days to get out of your system, unless you're heavier like me and @sphillips18 and then it takes a couple weeks longer. A salvia test goes back 3 days, and a hair test can show drug usage for years, but is expensive to test which is why it isn't common.
I don't know about for the rest of KY but in northern KY and Cincinnati area because of the heroin epidemic new laws have been passed in the last year that require every single mom be drug tested (I'm not sure if it's urine or blood) upon being triaged in L&D. If youre urine pops positive for anything, state law requires baby be kept in the hospital for 72 hours to monitor for withdrawal symptoms since they take a minimum of 48 hours to show up. It doesn't mean baby will be removed from you and it doesn't mean baby isn't in your custody in the hospital it just means they can't be discharged at the normal 24 hours.
I have some chronic health issues and have to take narcotic pain medication daily so I've discussed this in depth with my OB and hospital social worker. Since my med is prescribed by a physician as a medical treatment its a diffferent situation but even with it being explained baby will still be held and tested at birth so they know what to watch for. I know I will have a positive drug test because of the Norco I take.
As for the THC, chances are they will test your urine/blood for drugs and only if that pops positive do they test baby. It's not normal protocol to test every baby being born for drugs if there is no reason to believe mom is on drugs based on a negative drug test. If you stop using now, I'm sure that it will be out of your system by the time baby is born. Your body metabolizes things even faster when pregnant.
I'd also strongly encourage you to be honest and open with your OB/midwife about your drug use. I have no judgment for you but your medical team needs to know what's going on. They can work with you and help you get any resources you may need to continue a healthy lifestyle for the remainer of your pregnancy. As pp said, social services doesn't want to take kids unless they absolutely have to. In having a dialogue with your Dr now it will further prove you were honest about your situation and have been working on sobriety.
I live in Kentucky and I haven't heard of the required test after birth but I think they only do it if they are suspicious of the mother using during pregnancy.
Thank god I live in Colorado. Weed has been the only thing to help my MS and my emotional state. Op, I would advise you to drink tea, water and exercise as much as possible. Depending on how heavy a smoker you are, it can take up to 3 mos to get clean.
I've heard stories on both spectrums in Colorado. If the baby tests positive, then the state takes the baby away. I've also heard many women here in Colorado smoke their entire pregnancy and the state did nothing. Now mind you, this is in Colorado. Not Florida.
I'm not a big poster here and I don't care what anyone has to say about my choices. There is plenty of evidence that women have been using cannabis during pregnancy for thousands of years with no detrimental effects to their unborn children. I've read stories of women with HG smoking and it literally saving their lives and the life of their unborn child. Considering there are cannibinoid receptors in our brains and in our breastmilk I'm very pro cannabis and I've enjoyed this pregnancy much more than my previous ppregnancies because of it. But I also think more research needs to be done.
I guess my question to you is why are you so worried about it now if your baby is going to test positive as you should have stopped smoking weed the minute you found out you was pregnant. I have no sympathy whatsoever for mothers who continue to use drugs or drink alcohol even after the fact they find out they are pregnant. And as for you saying you saying you used because it helps with morning sickiness that's just complete crap because they have medicine for morning sickness and my god stop using that as your excuse to your continued use of getting high even after you knew you was pregnant. I have been around people who use all my life as well as family members and yes yes and yes it can and will affect your unborn baby!!!!!!
I didn't end up reading every post so I hope this isn't repeating any information. I'm not sure how much you smoked during your pregnancy but I have heard that quiting cold turkey if you've smoked during the first 2-3 months of pregnancy can result in the baby going into shock. This is pregnant lady gossip/hear say though so I would do some research on that.
My friend smoked through pregnancy and her baby is healthy. Her mother smoked through pregnancy and all of her children were healthy physically but had behavioral issues that may have been triggered by the drug use during breast feeding and pregnancy (based on what I read on the subject and this particular family). So it may be something you should watch for over time. I hope everything works out for you.
i would like to point out that smoking weed is not the same as doing heroin, crack, coke, meth etc.. While the US government might classify them the same, weed is not the same. When @piscesmommy222 said the mother of her child did drugs while pregnant, I wonder if the mother only smoked weed or consumed other drugs as well. Did Pisces monitor the mothers lifestyle and she knows for sure that weed was the sole reason her child has these issues? Is it possible for some clarification?
I've had friends who've smoked weed while pregnant... I would never take that chance, personally, but their babies were healthy.
Also, I'm confused by some of the ladies' compulsion to share that mother's who did hard drugs while pregnant had babies who were born perfectly healthy? Ok?? What's the point of sharing that... To say sometimes gambling with your child's life does not kill them or permanently damage them?? Thanks for sharing... Completely pointless to share that but ok..
A very close family member of mine was born with cerebral palsy due to her mother's heavy drug use while pregnant.. So the fact that SOME children are lucky enough not to be physically and mentally handicapped due to their mother's negligence while pregnant doesn't seem like an important point to bring up on a freaking pregnancy board to me.
OP, baby should be fine. Haven't really heard of weed hurting anyone, ever. But, the fact is that it's still illegal in Florida so it's probably best to have stopped. It just isn't worth the chance of CPS getting involved. Good luck with everything.
i would like to point out that smoking weed is not the same as doing heroin, crack, coke, meth etc.. While the US government might classify them the same, weed is not the same. When @piscesmommy222 said the mother of her child did drugs while pregnant, I wonder if the mother only smoked weed or consumed other drugs as well. Did Pisces monitor the mothers lifestyle and she knows for sure that weed was the sole reason her child has these issues? Is it possible for some clarification?
I did not say drugs,I said weed.yes weed causes damage in the vast majority.yes I know the birth mother, know her cps case, know why child was taken away. There is clarification.
Wanted to add, sorry it's so hard to believe that smoking drugs while pregnant can do damage. I'm shocked about some of the responses here, thought this was really common knowledge.
So since you have no hard facts to give that is what you come up with? I'm not gonna go back and forth anymore, these comments are just plain immature.
I'm glad I spoke up because clearly there is a serious need for education out there. (If anyone has any questions please pm me.) I hope my comments have helped someone. Best of luck to the OP and everyone else. I have said my peace.
Well there are drugs that your doctor will prescribe you that will put your baby at a higher risk than some drugs you can get on the street. But the feds make more money from that than MJ, so basically most of you are brainwashed lol, cant really grow out of that. Cigarettes are like the worse and some pregnant women smoke all the way through. My mom smoked with me and I scored a 32 on my act without studying I work at a hospital now working with ebola patients. Give her a break I'm SOO PRO-CANI!!!
Re: smoking weed, cps
I'm not saying it's ok to smoke pot while preggo. I am saying that criminalizing it causes more harm to the baby than good.
As far as how long it's in your system, I would assume the same amount of time to be out of your system as a non pregnant person. But I don't have any specific knowledge on this.
They both went on to have healthy babies, no breathing problems whatsoever. I was gobsmacked. There tougher than we think our LO's but that doesn't give us the right to abuse our bodies whilst pregnant like they did.
I have some chronic health issues and have to take narcotic pain medication daily so I've discussed this in depth with my OB and hospital social worker. Since my med is prescribed by a physician as a medical treatment its a diffferent situation but even with it being explained baby will still be held and tested at birth so they know what to watch for. I know I will have a positive drug test because of the Norco I take.
As for the THC, chances are they will test your urine/blood for drugs and only if that pops positive do they test baby. It's not normal protocol to test every baby being born for drugs if there is no reason to believe mom is on drugs based on a negative drug test. If you stop using now, I'm sure that it will be out of your system by the time baby is born. Your body metabolizes things even faster when pregnant.
I'd also strongly encourage you to be honest and open with your OB/midwife about your drug use. I have no judgment for you but your medical team needs to know what's going on. They can work with you and help you get any resources you may need to continue a healthy lifestyle for the remainer of your pregnancy. As pp said, social services doesn't want to take kids unless they absolutely have to. In having a dialogue with your Dr now it will further prove you were honest about your situation and have been working on sobriety.
feel better so she doesn't worry.
And no, I clearly DONT know any better, Im not a doctor or medically trained in anyway.
I was merely commenting on 2 women I knew.
That was all. Wind your neck in.
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It is common sense that if I'm saying I am raising a child with life long consequences from her birth mother's drug use, and then you reply saying that you know women who did drugs and everything was fine and babies are tougher than we think (when you have no first hand direct experience) I might find that bothersome and inaccurate information.
You knew what you were saying when you said it.
Again I am not justifying it! Just that that isn't always the case.
I was looking out for the op, like I said in my previous post, I don't agree with it at all, I was trying to make the op feel better about it all.
Jeez that is all.
Kidding....kind of... @x0rissa - I'm sure you'll be find. Don't let stuffy people worry you. I'm in your same boat, and it's no one else's business WHY you chose to quit. I quit around 12 weeks, because I didn't feel I needed it to choke down even water (they put me on Zofran, and I've never seen a lawyers commercial for 'if your baby has a cleft pallet or any other birth defect from smoking weed' but I have seen one for Zofran, so I stopped the zofran, and took a hit..judge me all you like, idgaF.)
As long as you've quit, even just until you're done breastfeeding, good for you. And that's not a judgement. I don't know about the laws in Florida, hell, I dont even know the laws here in California, but it's not something to stress about. If you quit, you quit. I did see a PP say they *might* keep you both in the hospital for 72 hours, but baby is still in your custody, and as long as after your birth you don't say "man, somebody pack a bowl!" I think you'll be fine. Good luck, and PM me if you need support!
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My mom told me when she was pregnant with me and my 2 siblings, she smoked cigs heavily, drank Vodka, and smoked the occasional joint (times were different.. I wasn't around for them, but we all know about pregnancy in the 50's...). I don't have asthma, I don't have learning disabilities, and I'm perfectly healthy. My friend Adam, his mom was a junkie during both her pregnancy with him and his brother. We're all in our late 20s. we're all fine.
CPS does try to keep baby with mom though. I worked at a daycare where some parents had got into some sort of trouble and CPS had classes they could attend on different topics that the kids parents were taking in order to keep the kids in the home.
At times I hear about children having to be removed, but meth is usually involved around here.
I do agree with pp, I would tell your OB. That way everyone is on the same page and even though they may test you on delivery, you won't have to stress out about them finding out at delivery.
I've heard stories on both spectrums in Colorado. If the baby tests positive, then the state takes the baby away. I've also heard many women here in Colorado smoke their entire pregnancy and the state did nothing. Now mind you, this is in Colorado. Not Florida.
I'm not a big poster here and I don't care what anyone has to say about my choices. There is plenty of evidence that women have been using cannabis during pregnancy for thousands of years with no detrimental effects to their unborn children. I've read stories of women with HG smoking and it literally saving their lives and the life of their unborn child. Considering there are cannibinoid receptors in our brains and in our breastmilk I'm very pro cannabis and I've enjoyed this pregnancy much more than my previous ppregnancies because of it. But I also think more research needs to be done.
Gl op!
My friend smoked through pregnancy and her baby is healthy. Her mother smoked through pregnancy and all of her children were healthy physically but had behavioral issues that may have been triggered by the drug use during breast feeding and pregnancy (based on what I read on the subject and this particular family). So it may be something you should watch for over time. I hope everything works out for you.
Also, I'm confused by some of the ladies' compulsion to share that mother's who did hard drugs while pregnant had babies who were born perfectly healthy? Ok?? What's the point of sharing that... To say sometimes gambling with your child's life does not kill them or permanently damage them?? Thanks for sharing... Completely pointless to share that but ok..
A very close family member of mine was born with cerebral palsy due to her mother's heavy drug use while pregnant.. So the fact that SOME children are lucky enough not to be physically and mentally handicapped due to their mother's negligence while pregnant doesn't seem like an important point to bring up on a freaking pregnancy board to me.
OP, baby should be fine. Haven't really heard of weed hurting anyone, ever. But, the fact is that it's still illegal in Florida so it's probably best to have stopped. It just isn't worth the chance of CPS getting involved. Good luck with everything.
I'm glad I spoke up because clearly there is a serious need for education out there. (If anyone has any questions please pm me.) I hope my comments have helped someone. Best of luck to the OP and everyone else. I have said my peace.
Edited for spelling error