June 2014 Moms

The SleepEasy Thread

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Re: The SleepEasy Thread

  • Nunz we have a similar bedtime for the kiddos! What are you doing for daylight savings? I pushed their first nap to 2.5 hours but it's 4:50 now but feels like 5:50 (when we'd start winding down for the night)

    We held him out so bedtime was at 6:30 by the new clock. It was tough, but he made it. We used the method outlined in the book - really stretched out the time between that first nap.
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  • Ok so I'm looking to try this. And have been letting LO CIO. But she seems to go for long stretches and whenever we check in her she cries even harder. Before I implement SES, any suggestions?
  • @CAMag‌ her longest stretch was today which was just over an hour. I just ordered the book and had previously tried BW. You make a good point. I think I will wait and read the book first and implement and then ask.. Feeling like I pulled the trigger early!
  • @camag My H struggled with this as well, but that first night he got a full night's sleep, he ate his words! I kept telling him that DD wasn't crying because she was hurt or sad. She's just frustrated about learning a new skill.
  • @CAMag‌ I have a hard time with the crying but have to tell myself... if I go in and pick them up, short term they'll be happy but I will have made them cry for nothing. When we do let them CIO again, they'll be confused and scared and cry even more next time. The whole reason we started cio was because I know with twins they're gonna cry (that's just our reality!) But I wanted them to have some sort of structure with it so it wouldn't be so confusing and frustrating for them. That's meaner to me than following the sleep training ya know?

    (I know YOU know all this lol... just ammo in your arsenal to tell hubby when he's having a hard time. He's not alone in his feelings. It does get get easier when you see progress! And every night I go over our previous night/day's sleep and I see we're moving in the right direction and that makes me happy!)

  • Jazznit1984Jazznit1984 member
    edited November 2014
    I thought I'd be the tough one and it turns out my hubby is! I'm constantly having to battle my inner cuddle monster. So hard. Thanks for starting this thread. It's been very encouraging !
  • MegEL85 said:
    Bad night
    What's the rundown?

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  • nunzchucksnunzchucks member
    edited November 2014
    Awesome @nicolemcm‌! He's learning!
    What happened @MegEL85‌? Do you think it could have been a bit of an extinction burst? Or maybe a tough time with the time change?

    DS did not adjust completely to the time change, he was up chatting at 4:30. Hopefully that will get better tonight.
  • So . . all naps on day one yesterday were horrific consisting of less than ten mins of crying before falling asleep but then staying asleep for only 15-20 mins and then crying the remainder of the hour until we picked him up. No problem staying awake till the next nap though.

    Night 2 . . Is this progress? He WAS super tired when we put him down at 7:45 (prob from less napping) and was basically asleep instantly upon entering his crib. I did a dream feed at 9:30, LO fussed once at 11 and once at 12 but no check ins required, then I had a tech fail and missed the alarm for my 12:45am feed I am weaning but managed to still wake up before LO and nursed for 5 mins at 1:20. At 3:45 i nursed him for 4 mins.

    So here's where it gets rough, at 5:25 DS wakes up and I can see him trying to go back to sleep . . But nope, so he cries on and off until 6:30 when I went in to feed him and get him up for the day. Advice here? I feel like maybe he's hungry in the morning, should I add another feeding at like 5am?

    I think we might try to move the bed time back to 7am tonight, especially if naps are hard again. Also, it's okay to get them when they are crying and it's the designated wake up time, right? I feel like that's kind of sending mixed messages but obviously can't wait forever for LO to stop crying to get him up. And do I make the first nap 1.5 hours from when he actually woke at 5:25 this morning?

    Man I'm tired. Sorry this is long and kind of scattered. Thanks for the help though :)
  • @RoccoStar‌ You're doing exactly what you should be doing for naps. He will get there. Naps are hard. Stay consistent.


    I'm not entirely convinced he's hungry. Remember we just went thru the time change. His body may still think it is an hour later than it is. This is where you've got to be tough and let him work it out. Page 242-244 deals with some troubleshooting tips. DS was up 1 hr earlier today as well.


    For early waking (but still in crib), you are not going to adjust the first nap any earlier than the 2 hr window from your intended wake time. Review page 88. Does that make sense?
  • @RoccoStar‌ Yes - ok to get them if crying at designated wake time. Be positive and happy - "You did it! You stayed in your crib all night!"
  • CAMag said:

    Anyone else feel like they needed/need to ship DH off before doing this? My lovely hubs is having a hard time. I went to get groceries during the boys' nap today, which I've been doing CIO with for a while & he had 'rescued' one of the boys. He also left the room when one of them was crying because he was 'so obviously awake' (nope, fell asleep about a minute later). He's on board, but says listening to them cry hurts his soul! Lol.

    DH and I got into an argument because he refuses to read the book. I think he finally got it when we were having trouble with nap #3 yesterday and I couldn't remember what the book said to do. I pointed out that it would be really nice if he had read the book like I asked him to do 100 times! He has been really great with helping otherwise. He's been doing the dreamfeed so far and taking the first shift. I'm the one with the hurt soul ;)
  • Jenn111211Jenn111211 member
    edited November 2014

    @CAMag‌ I have a hard time with the crying but have to tell myself... if I go in and pick them up, short term they'll be happy but I will have made them cry for nothing.

    This is exactly what I'm trying to remind myself. I feel like now that I've started, there is no going back. It would just confuse and frustrate DD even more.

    -stuck in the box-

  • Night 2 went pretty well. Asleep after 30 minutes. She woke up once, but was able to put herself back to sleep after about 10 minutes. We pretty much stopped check-ins because they just make her more upset.

    Naps are a bigger struggle. The first two naps went well yesterday and today (so far), but nap #3 was a complete disaster. Screamed the entire hour on the first attempt and for about 30 minutes in the second attempt and only slept about 15 mins total. I'm changing our routine to make sure I nurse her well before it's time to go down. I think she thought she was being nursed to sleep and then was upset when she was brought to the crib instead. Poor thing. It was heartbreaking :(
  • @Jenn111211‌ That last nap can be hard. They still need it now, but it is ok for it to be a short blip nap to get to 3-4 hrs of total day sleep. Eventually, LO will grow out of that nap. I think this happened around 7 mo with DD.
  • Oh yes, now I remember . . beware the too early nap schedule (which we are now on for today, oops). Nap 1 for today was status quo, 20 mins each of crying, sleep and play. Nap 2 had only 1 minute of crying before sleeping for 45 mins and then 15 mins intermittent crying/fussing. Is the general consensus that if LO wakes up crying he needs more sleep? This feels like a really FTM question . .
  • RoccoStar said:

    Oh yes, now I remember . . beware the too early nap schedule (which we are now on for today, oops). Nap 1 for today was status quo, 20 mins each of crying, sleep and play. Nap 2 had only 1 minute of crying before sleeping for 45 mins and then 15 mins intermittent crying/fussing.

    Is the general consensus that if LO wakes up crying he needs more sleep? This feels like a really FTM question . .

    I don't know if it is necessarily always true, but in general, when my kids are sleeping well, they are waking up happy or calm.
  • RoccoStar said:
    Oh yes, now I remember . . beware the too early nap schedule (which we are now on for today, oops). Nap 1 for today was status quo, 20 mins each of crying, sleep and play. Nap 2 had only 1 minute of crying before sleeping for 45 mins and then 15 mins intermittent crying/fussing. Is the general consensus that if LO wakes up crying he needs more sleep? This feels like a really FTM question . .
    I'm with you on the naps. We're on day 7 and we've had success with two naps (one that was 1hr20min, one that was 2 hours). Other than that our naps are just like yours. Today he did play around for the 15min before the hour mark hit on his first nap, which is the first time that has ever happened. Progress I guess?

    Our day seems to go like this:
    Bed at 8pm, up at 7am. Feed.
    Can barely stretch to 2 hours; is usually giving tired cues at 1 hour.
    Nap at 9am, 45minutes sleeping, 15 crying w/check-ins. Feed.
    Gets fussy 1.5 hours after nap #1 ends, try to stretch to at least 11am.
    Nap at 12pm, 40min sleeping, 20 crying. Feed.
    Gets fussy at almost 2 hours
    Nap at 3pm, 45min-1hr. Feed.
    Nap at 5pm, 20-40min., crying.
    Feed at 720, Bed by 8.

    So he always fights going down for naps super hard (I can try early or late and he just cries and claws at me during his entire routine). Then he wakes up crying and extremely cranky. I can NEVER get him to go past 2 hours post-nap before he's crying and acting like he's tired. I've tried bumping his bedtime earlier (7pm) and following through with naps, but nothing seems to change. Are naps supposed to be this bad? Any suggestions?

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  • @cinnamonsmiles How old is LO? 4 mo and how many weeks? I ask because closer to 4 mo, DS had to do 4 naps. By 4.5 mo, he was able to stretch each wake time an extra 30 min and do only three naps (see page 88 sidebar)
  • Also an excellent point @megel85!
  • @CAMag‌ Good Luck!!! You can do it!
  • @cinnamonsmiles How old is LO? 4 mo and how many weeks? I ask because closer to 4 mo, DS had to do 4 naps. By 4.5 mo, he was able to stretch each wake time an extra 30 min and do only three naps (see page 88 sidebar)

    He's 4mo 1week, but before we started sleep training he would nap between 30min and 2 hours, so I know he can go longer (even though the book says some cant). Same with eating - he used to eat every 3.5-4 even with STTN, but now he acts like he's starving at the 3hr mark. But I'll keep it up to see if after next week things improve. He really might be bored, but he goes to sleep within 2 minutes of me putting him down so it's hard to tell. DH is watching him tonight while I take an exam so I'm curious to see if he will act differently.

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  • Ok... we are starting this tonight. I am super nervous! LO is pretty good about putting himself to sleep initially but is a brute when he doesn't get fed immediately during nighttime wake ups. Planning to do weaning as well as sleep learning. I really hope I have the stamina to let him cry until he puts himself to sleep. He typically gets into a tizzy when he is just left there and it just escalates. Not expecting to get any sleep tonight but ready to fix his sleeping habits!
  • Good luck @shellbell813! Remember to be consistent. I'm rooting for you!
  • Well... It looks like i am joining you guys.  I read most of the book today and still am confused with a couple things.  

    LO always wakes up at the 10 hr mark & does not go back to sleep.  I was then getting her up and starting the day, but she is sleepy within an hour of waking up and gets really cranky by the time her first nap starts.  

    How can i get her to sleep the 11 hrs?  Should i do checks ins for the full hour? Her bedtime is 9:00pm.  I know its late but we keep her up so H can spend time with her after work.
  • Ok here we go! Night #1: in bed at 6:10, light fussing, asleep at 6:15. I think it's too good to stay this great but we'll see. She's a great napper (always has been) but has a major "pacifier crutch." Her biggest issue is that when she wakes during the night (about 3-4 wake ups) she can't go back to sleep because she can't get the pacifier in her mouth. Tonight I put her down without the pacifier. We'll see! I have to say that this thread and all of the feedback has been a great read (in addition to the book). Reading everyone's progress has made me make the leap and start tonight. H hasn't read anything so I'm doing this solo. I just want/need her to sleep for her and for us. Hoping everyone else continues to have great progress!
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  • Well... It looks like i am joining you guys.  I read most of the book today and still am confused with a couple things.  

    LO always wakes up at the 10 hr mark & does not go back to sleep.  I was then getting her up and starting the day, but she is sleepy within an hour of waking up and gets really cranky by the time her first nap starts.  

    How can i get her to sleep the 11 hrs?  Should i do checks ins for the full hour? Her bedtime is 9:00pm.  I know its late but we keep her up so H can spend time with her after work.

    Actually sleeping the full 11 hours can take some time. Pages 70 and 242-244 talks about what to do for early morning waking. They do recommend either not checking in or elongating check ins for waking with less than an hour to go.
  • If LO is crying and fussing during the pre-nap routine, do you fully settle them before you put them in the crib? Or do you just set them down crying after the normal amount of routine time? I've been just setting him down upset but I feel like I'm setting him up to fail this way. Naps are SO hard with SO much crying! Props to you @cinnamonsmiles‌ for lasting this long with it, I feel like I'm close to caving on nap training if it won't affect night training, and it's only day 2 :(
  • MegEL85 said:

    So, if babe is sick so you just go into survival mode?

    Basically. I've had DD nap on me if that's what it takes when she's sick. It really didn't happen too often. Since she was so good at sleeping, she was able to make it thru most nights and naps even when sick.
  • RoccoStar said:

    If LO is crying and fussing during the pre-nap routine, do you fully settle them before you put them in the crib? Or do you just set them down crying after the normal amount of routine time? I've been just setting him down upset but I feel like I'm setting him up to fail this way. Naps are SO hard with SO much crying! Props to you @cinnamonsmiles‌ for lasting this long with it, I feel like I'm close to caving on nap training if it won't affect night training, and it's only day 2 :(

    I do try to settle him, but for DS, his crying/fussing are usually because he's pretty tired and ready for nap.
  • RoccoStar said:
    If LO is crying and fussing during the pre-nap routine, do you fully settle them before you put them in the crib? Or do you just set them down crying after the normal amount of routine time? I've been just setting him down upset but I feel like I'm setting him up to fail this way. Naps are SO hard with SO much crying! Props to you @cinnamonsmiles‌ for lasting this long with it, I feel like I'm close to caving on nap training if it won't affect night training, and it's only day 2 :(
    I haven't been settling only because the things that relax him are the sleep associations (rocking, paci, feeding). LO has hated naps ever since he was born, so this isn't really too different than before. We actually started sleep training because he would not nap (and days of nonstop screaming from him not sleeping during the day made us decide to start).

    I will say that I can actually get stuff done now...while before there was nothing until bedtime. So I'll keep fighting back as long as it achieves his rest and my sanity (and both happiness!).

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  • I have a few questions before I jump in completely.

    -am I reading this thread correctly that baby should be 14 lbs before trying? (Don't worry. I plan to get the book. Just wanted clarification).

    -is part of the plan to wean fully from pacifiers?

    -has anyone had this not work? Or does it appear to be fairly fool proof?

    We are suffering from 20 minute naps. And the required nursing for nighttime wakeups. It's not awful at night but she's getting up 3x. Sometimes to eat, sometimes just because she's awake.

    Bedtime can be really hard. She'll lay in her crib and cry and fuss for 2 hours sometimes. She's so overtired.

    I'm nervous. I'm not quite ready yet but I'm preparing myself.
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  • @wareagle1220‌ from what I understood, baby should be 4 months and 14lbs before starting. Although it mentioned that most pediatricians will say 5 months and 15 lbs. Noah is 5 months today and 14 lbs or so.

    It isn't about weaning from pacifiers, you can give it to them when they are awake and going to bed or nap, but during check ins, there should be no contact or touching, so if baby cannot reapply the paci, they don't get it back. Correct me if I'm wrong there @nunzchucks‌ but that's what I understood.

    The book was pretty easy to understand and follow and made a lot of sense! We are starting tonight tho, so no idea how it will work.. :/
  • So night 1, he is sleeping good even without a swaddle. Went to sleep in under 20 minutes with just some whining and playing. The real fun will happen when he wakes up though.
  • @wareagle1220‌ from what I understood, baby should be 4 months and 14lbs before starting. Although it mentioned that most pediatricians will say 5 months and 15 lbs. Noah is 5 months today and 14 lbs or so.

    It isn't about weaning from pacifiers, you can give it to them when they are awake and going to bed or nap, but during check ins, there should be no contact or touching, so if baby cannot reapply the paci, they don't get it back. Correct me if I'm wrong there @nunzchucks‌ but that's what I understood.

    The book was pretty easy to understand and follow and made a lot of sense! We are starting tonight tho, so no idea how it will work.. :/

    Thanks ma'am! I hope you guys have a great response. I think LO is a little small and I'd like to wait until she's 5 months to start. That's in a week and a half. I'll have to look into the book. I know it's silly, but I feel like she's too young to wean her paci completely.
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