I don't plan on paying for my kids to go to college. I will be getting a summer house with my life savings:) They can pay for it themselves like DH and I did.
@michelle142 You must try it! Order it in sometime when you've been abandoned to fend for your own dinner. Be sure to order veggie pakoras! They're probably as bad as timbits for you, but oh so delicious with tamarind sauce!
Most people try butter chicken curry first, as their main dish. But korma curries are as palatable to most so don't shy away from a korma if it sounds good. If you love spice and have an asbestos mouth, spicy vindaloos are for you.
I don't plan on paying for my kids to go to college. I will be getting a summer house with my life savings:) They can pay for it themselves like DH and I did.
My kids can take out loans for school. My dh and I cant take out low interest loans for retirement to live on. I had loans (they will be paid off in 3 years yay!), dh has LOTS of student loans (will be paid off in the year 2040). We have a 529 for henry and will for #2 but there's no way we'll pay for more than a year or two.
According to the estimator when I set up Henry's 529 - 4 years at a state school with housing and living expenses will cost 300,000 dollars when henry goes to college in 2031.
I don't plan on paying for my kids to go to college. I will be getting a summer house with my life savings:) They can pay for it themselves like DH and I did.
That is an interesting one.
DH and I had totally different experiences. I took out loans (2 years at a private and 3 years at a state school) and he did 4 years at a state school paid for by his parents. So of course we have differing opinions. DH said we are paying for school and I said there is nothing wrong with taking out loans. We have 17 years to battle this one out.
We aren't paying for our kids college either.. nevermind the fact that will have two going at the same exact time. We both paid our own way & are very responsible w/our money bc of it. I think our kids would rather us save for our retirement instead of live in their basement later on (I'm exaggerating, but still). Unless of course we become super rich.. then we'll help them out.
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UO: I have a very strong dislike of last names as first names. I don't know why but it bothers me. It doesn't affect how I feel about the kid or anything I just find myself shaking my head about it. There are some names that blur the lines a little like Thomas and it doesn't apply to them either.
My goal is this...Its something I have always wanted to do as a parent. And if possible would like to, and now that we are having one I have started preparing for it.
I would like to gift my child XXXX amount of dollars. I will give them the option of ....
A) Using it towards college
Using it towards a down payment on their first house
C) Using it towards a wedding
D) Any combination A-C
Whatever their choice is, will be their choice and is final. My thought process is that DH and I will begin teaching the value of money, credit, debt, equity an early enough age where LO can put himself in a position to be best prepared for the future.
Perhaps, he will work hard at school and gain scholarships, and be able to supplement tuition with the money he will receive.
I dont want him to be so saddled with school debt that he feels limited and restricted later in life. but I also dont want to simply be an ATM.
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@mandamoochie My thoughts exactly! DH and I make it a priority to save for retirement because when that day comes, you have what you have. No one's giving you a loan then.
Overall I feel as if people typically want to do whatever their parents did/didn't do for them. But in our circle, we get s@$& for feeling this way since most of our friends had help from their parents. Glad to see it's not as much of an "UO" as I thought.
I get annoyed with all the "this post doesnt go in this thread" and the "here we go again" rants. Just ignore them if they bother you and stop trying to be a control freak
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All of this college talk makes me ashamed to admit how many years I have been going and how many times I have changed my major and my dad keeps paying and has barely given me a deadline of when to finish school, (before my niece starts college, 4yrs) I don't know if he would really stop paying for it but I'm not going to risk it.
I'm with @jaztastic in the $$. For school thing, except I'd take out the wedding option.
I teach at university and I see far too many students who ought not to be there wasting theirs or their parents' money! It is a shame that some people feel like a university degree is necessary when a trade would be much more appropriate, enjoyable, and lucrative for some people.
It is crazy how many of my peers from undergrad are still paying off their degrees while working at a job they could have gotten right out if high school! Sure, some will be promoted further with a degree than without, but I bet a pile of them would be much happier fixing cars or computer networks than selling shirts.
@jaztastic I like that idea! It doesn't "punish" people for getting scholarships, going to a trade school, or not getting married
That was my hope. I want to help them succeed at whatever plan they have for the future.
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I'm with @jaztastic in the $$. For school thing, except I'd take out the wedding option.
I teach at university and I see far too many students who ought not to be there wasting theirs or their parents' money! It is a shame that some people feel like a university degree is necessary when a trade would be much more appropriate, enjoyable, and lucrative for some people.
It is crazy how many of my peers from undergrad are still paying off their degrees while working at a job they could have gotten right out if high school! Sure, some will be promoted further with a degree than without, but I bet a pile of them would be much happier fixing cars or computer networks than selling shirts.
I added wedding in there, because while my parents couldnt help me with my college tuition at the time. They did a WONDERFUL job in coming through for me when I got married. They allowed me to have the wedding I dreamed about, and I think it was also a reward for putting myself through college and not really being a problem child per se.
If my child doesnt need me to assist with college, and is fine with their living arrangements, but they want to spend money on a wedding, Im okay with that. And I really had these thoughts more so with a daughter in mind.
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@michelle142 is she doing a PhD or something? Medicine and now in her specialization?
10 years isn't too long for some career paths.
Personally I would have stayed in undergrad forever! I loved undergrad because I love learning and being kind of spoon fed! But, I was paying for most myself so I had to make the decisions based on finances.
My UO is actually one that's formed by a comment that I read on the Baby Names board. It really resonated with me, and now I think I'm in total agreement: the reason that I'm personally uncomfortable with traditionally male names for girls is that it's so readily accepted as "cool," just like a little girl being a tomboy is cool, just like a girl can wear boy's clothes with no real consequence (for the most part), just like girls can play with boys' toys, just like it's so "cool" to find girls/women who are into football or beer or cars.
But there's no corresponding gender bleed the other direction for boys to have a space to emulate traditionally girly things. No one thinks a boy named Jessica is cool, in fact, you'd probably have everyone ask if you're okay in the head, and then question if you actually hate your son. Even if the name was something that, to me, sounds kinda masculine anyway, like Madison. I can feel myself taking this too far, but hey, it's my UO: I think it is just part of a larger insidious sexism that also says it's not okay in any way for boys to emulate girls/women, because of the devaluation of anything associated with femininity.
/rant over
PS even though this is in UO, I still feel a bit uneasy posting it (though I obviously feel strongly) because frankly, I know a lot of people who love "boy" names for their girls and are not consciously trying to be sexist... I guess, for me, I just can't unthink about the above now that it's been thought.
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My UO is actually one that's formed by a comment that I read on the Baby Names board. It really resonated with me, and now I think I'm in total agreement: the reason that I'm personally uncomfortable with traditionally male names for girls is that it's so readily accepted as "cool," just like a little girl being a tomboy is cool, just like a girl can wear boy's clothes with no real consequence (for the most part), just like girls can play with boys' toys, just like it's so "cool" to find girls/women who are into football or beer or cars.
But there's no corresponding gender bleed the other direction for boys to have a space to emulate traditionally girly things. No one thinks a boy named Jessica is cool, in fact, you'd probably have everyone ask if you're okay in the head, and then question if you actually hate your son. Even if the name was something that, to me, sounds kinda masculine anyway, like Madison. I can feel myself taking this too far, but hey, it's my UO: I think it is just part of a larger insidious sexism that also says it's not okay in any way for boys to emulate girls/women, because of the devaluation of anything associated with femininity.
/rant over
PS even though this is in UO, I still feel a bit uneasy posting it (though I obviously feel strongly) because frankly, I know a lot of people who love "boy" names for their girls and are not consciously trying to be sexist... I guess, for me, I just can't unthink about the above now that it's been thought.
I never liked at it that way but I'll never be able to look at it the same way again. Thanks. And in fairness, Ashley became a very popular name for boys for a while. They're are other names that seem very feminine to me that people name boys too like Skylar. *I appreciate you're point and completely understand. This is just a devils advocate type thing.
I haven't been able to post much, but I thought I would catch a quick UO:
I don't like the "Spam" posts every day. Most days, I don't get to look at the boards until around noon. This means that by the time I can read anything, there's like 3-4 pages and then lunch is over. If there weren't this general posting rule, I would feel free to just start my own and read the posts that I find interesting and comment as I want.
All this to say, I'm bummed that no one's going to "know" me on this board for this reason. I loved the board I participated in with my DS. And I know that saying this isn't going to change it. And, I may just decide to post what I want anyways, not in the spam board... we'll see.
this is exactly how i feel. I loved my BMB for DS2. We still stay in contact. I think the rule thing is a little much. Isnt the beauty of the message board freedom to say what you want?
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My goal is this...Its something I have always wanted to do as a parent. And if possible would like to, and now that we are having one I have started preparing for it.
I would like to gift my child XXXX amount of dollars. I will give them the option of ....
A) Using it towards college
Using it towards a down payment on their first house
C) Using it towards a wedding
D) Any combination A-C
Whatever their choice is, will be their choice and is final. My thought process is that DH and I will begin teaching the value of money, credit, debt, equity an early enough age where LO can put himself in a position to be best prepared for the future.
Perhaps, he will work hard at school and gain scholarships, and be able to supplement tuition with the money he will receive.
I dont want him to be so saddled with school debt that he feels limited and restricted later in life. but I also dont want to simply be an ATM.
My opinion is if we can afford it and have money left over why not. As long as our children appreciate it. I consider myself extremely lucky. I went to an expensive private college for 5 years and my parents paid all 5 years and rent. They also paid for my entire wedding and gave me no budget. I know this might seem or sound braggy. But i realize the opportunities that I have been given. I worked really hard in school. I stayed 5 years because I was a dual degree major. I've always had a job since I was 14. I come from a self made wealthy family. Both my parents came from working class families and my father worked his ass off to get where he is today. He instilled this in us to never take advantage of what we have. My parents have always said if they can't provide us with the best life we can have then all the hard work isn't worth it. They could afford school for us. My sister also went to boarding school on top of college as she was falling behind in public school. They were able to afford my wedding and they will be able to afford all the gifts they will give their grandchildren. Over the years they have invested well and will be able to provide us with all of these things with-out sacrificing their retirement. I feel that if in 20 years my husband and I are in the same position we will prob do the same. My husband has a very good job and invests all our money wisely. we don't live beyond our means. Many people have judged me based on my family and thought that I was a spoiled brat because I have all these things. I did grow up in a town where everyone expected these things. I had friends that expected nice cars in high school. I never expected anything. And I can tell you this if my parents said they couldn't give me something I would in no way stomp my feet and demand it. If parents are able to, there is still a way to shower your children with support and not completely spoil them.
I haven't been able to post much, but I thought I would catch a quick UO:
I don't like the "Spam" posts every day. Most days, I don't get to look at the boards until around noon. This means that by the time I can read anything, there's like 3-4 pages and then lunch is over. If there weren't this general posting rule, I would feel free to just start my own and read the posts that I find interesting and comment as I want.
All this to say, I'm bummed that no one's going to "know" me on this board for this reason. I loved the board I participated in with my DS. And I know that saying this isn't going to change it. And, I may just decide to post what I want anyways, not in the spam board... we'll see.
this is exactly how i feel. I loved my BMB for DS2. We still stay in contact. I think the rule thing is a little much. Isnt the beauty of the message board freedom to say what you want?
I really don't think you need to never post a new discussion because of the random threads. If you have a topic you want to discuss and get opinions on, by all means post it.
Just not the ones that you can logically know if everyone of the hundreds of people on the board posted their own thread for it would be super annoying and out of control (sex, I felt the baby, aw our announcement, I have an ultrasound/appt today, etc)
I haven't been able to post much, but I thought I would catch a quick UO:
I don't like the "Spam" posts every day. Most days, I don't get to look at the boards until around noon. This means that by the time I can read anything, there's like 3-4 pages and then lunch is over. If there weren't this general posting rule, I would feel free to just start my own and read the posts that I find interesting and comment as I want.
All this to say, I'm bummed that no one's going to "know" me on this board for this reason. I loved the board I participated in with my DS. And I know that saying this isn't going to change it. And, I may just decide to post what I want anyways, not in the spam board... we'll see.
this is exactly how i feel. I loved my BMB for DS2. We still stay in contact. I think the rule thing is a little much. Isnt the beauty of the message board freedom to say what you want?
I a pretty sure some of this is directed at my response to your post today about no longer wanting to punch people, or wanting too again (I don't remember which one it was)
My comment was saying you may get more responses if you post in the daily thread, at that point you had around 127 views and no responses. I was just trying to be helpful that people tend to want to chat about random stuff/commiserate, etc in the daily threads and you may get more feedback there.
do what you want, but if you post every little thought that pops into your head as a new thread don't be frustrated when you get crickets.
bhjones1980 - it wasnt directed at you entirely. your response just triggered my comment. I just feel like this board has a lot of rules. And you are definitely not on the parties that seems so picky about them.
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I don't plan on paying for my kids to go to college. I will be getting a summer house with my life savings:) They can pay for it themselves like DH and I did.
That is an interesting one.
DH and I had totally different experiences. I took out loans (2 years at a private and 3 years at a state school) and he did 4 years at a state school paid for by his parents. So of course we have differing opinions. DH said we are paying for school and I said there is nothing wrong with taking out loans. We have 17 years to battle this one out.
We aren't paying for our kids college either.. nevermind the fact that will have two going at the same exact time. We both paid our own way & are very responsible w/our money bc of it. I think our kids would rather us save for our retirement instead of live in their basement later on (I'm exaggerating, but still). Unless of course we become super rich.. then we'll help them out.
We don't plan to pay for our kids' college either. Everyone in our families is horrified. We might help them out senior year if they have kept their grades up and been responsible. DH and I both saw so many of our college friends get bogus degrees because they thought those classes were easy or fun and they didn't have to pay for it. Now they can't get a decent job and they blame the economy.
My UOs: - The only sport I watch on a regular basis is hockey. I do enjoy watching curling during the Olympics too. Football sucks. So does Basketball. Minor League baseball games are fun if it is sunny, and you get to go eat a hotdog, fries and enjoy being outside. It has way more to do with the experience than the actual baseball.
- I don't care for Beyonce at all. However, my taste in music is VERY different anyway.
Were we separated at birth (with regards to sports especially)?
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We aren't paying for our kids college either.. nevermind the fact that will have two going at the same exact time. We both paid our own way & are very responsible w/our money bc of it. I think our kids would rather us save for our retirement instead of live in their basement later on (I'm exaggerating, but still). Unless of course we become super rich.. then we'll help them out.
I am extremely responsible with my money and my parents paid for my school. It has nothing to do with who paid or not. I think its how my parents raised me. But i agree if you can afford it you should.
@CogDis *stuck in the box!*
Nope. She started out in Biology (2 years), then moved to a different state and did 2 years of an undeclared major, then decided on Environmental Soil Science as a major & Spanish as a minor - that took 4 years. Now she's on year 2 of her masters program. She's supposed to graduate in November. I think.
She's also been to a total of 4 different colleges during this 10 year span.
@crabigator I feel compelled to respond to the boy-name for girl thing and I want to preface by saying I completely hear you and your message of a larger subtext of sexism in name selection. Additionally, I by no means am trying to convince anyone because I love the names I am considering and understand their personal meaning which my child will hopefully cherish as well. (I love discussion not fighting! Please read it this way!)
I have openly shared my love of boy names for girls and this is where context and reasoning is important. I do not like the names that I like simply because they are boy names... But rather their personal familial meaning as well as their "sound." The sound component for me separates it because the boy names I like have similar sounds to girl names. Charlie (Ashley, Brittany, MacKenzie etc) is one. And Elliott (Charlotte, Bridgette etc) have effeminate sounds which removes, for me, their masculinity and would still befit a girlie girl. Identity issue averted? Maybe.
I am not a tomboy by any means, though I participate and am empowered by sports, as I feel athleticism is a universal interest and source of accomplishment for many.
And finally, speaking to the point about the lack of equality on the boy's with girl's names portion, there I have no argument. I agree. There is a discrepancy there. Having said that, I do know that as a parent I may not name my son a unisex name (just as I would forgo "Butch" or "Hank" or anything uber masculine) because as a parent you have a right to personal preference, but I would support their choices to explore typical "girl" hobbies, clothes etc and let them share with me if those interest are simply curiosity or perhaps a larger question of identity.
bhjones1980 - it wasnt directed at you entirely. your response just triggered my comment. I just feel like this board has a lot of rules. And you are definitely not on the parties that seems so picky about them.
They're not hard and fast rules, but threads like our "daily randoms" are there for a reason: a catch all for random thoughts. If everyone treated this board like their own personal twitter feed I personally would never participate. Too much clutter. To be completely honest I don't need to read an entire new thread dedicated to whether or not someone feels like punching someone else.
If you have an interesting thought you'd like to open for debate, create a new thread and we'd be happy to participate.,
Couldn't agree more. I thinks its easier frankly. Many times there is a thread on the first page that has already answered my questions (this is the reason I don't start than many threads). If I do have question that is a bit similar sometimes i notice I get more feedback in a random thread than posting my own.
@erobbins09 That was such a sweet and measured response, thanks! And I'm all for discussion as well -- these are thoughts and opinions that also change for me personally over time, and feel very very personal, so I knew there were plenty of other valid opinions, as well as opportunities for me to further evolve my thinking on the issue.
I guess here's where I am now: I personally have no connection to any names that are traditionally boy names (I have a daughter, and don't know yet about this pregnancy, so we might be in the situation of naming a girl again). But, to take one of my examples, I LOVE football and most other sports too. I'm pretty sure that my enjoyment of football has nothing to do with wanting to be cool or wanting to emulate men, either in general or in my life. I like football because I like football. You like names like Charlie and Elliott because you do! I would never tell you you're wrong or misguided for liking them (and if it seemed that way from my other post, I sincerely apologize.).
However, what makes me uncomfortable is that there's an overriding sense in our culture that I am cooler for liking football than my husband would be for liking clothes shopping, or getting a manicure. That it's adorable for you to name a girl Charlie, but not adorable at all if you named a boy Madison (which, as I noted, sounds like a lot like "acceptable" male names).
So I guess what I'm struggling to articulate is that my real problem is with society being so accepting of choices that go one way, but not the other.
PS @jennwilhoite -- thanks for your response! Ashley was actually a male name first, but according to Wikipedia (that bastion of accuracy -- perhaps someone else has a better resource?), "...it gained popularity as a female first name in the United States in the late 20th century. Its sudden rise in popularity is generally attributed to the emergence of the female soap opera character Ashley Abbott on The Young and The Restless in 1982." I'm still wondering if there is a female name that has regularly started to be used for males?
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On the Beyonce topic, I'm not much of a fan. Although her VMA's performance was pretty good.
But what the hell is a "surfbort"?
I think its in her drunk in love song? I THINK.
One of my friends just explained "surfboard" to me the other day. I also had no idea what Beyoncé was talking about. Whether or not this is the correct answer, I have no idea
Apparently it's when two people have sex in the tub (or hot tub) and the woman is on top. The man, therefore, is her surfboard. :-??
Multiple meanings... Ive heard surfboard referred to having a bald eagle, and surfing used to refer to the woman being on top position.
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@crabigator I didn't know that but it's neat. I tried to find something on boy names that used to be girl names with no luck. I actually really like the point that you made and I think it's incredibly valid. I'm probably going to keep looking for girls names that are acceptable for boys now though. This is a very interesting topic to me.
Does this board really have a lot of rules? I know, in the very beginning, where there were 1000 different threads about symptoms, and then nub theories, that we really directed people towards the daily posts...but I think a lot of that has calmed down, no? I feel like the daily spam/random threads are just for random thoughts and ongoing conversation that you have throughout the day. I post what I ate for lunch, or if I splurged on more donuts, or if there were free hotdogs in the building (like today, yay!)...but none of those topics are really thread worthy IMO. I know the OP in the name thread was kind of directed to the baby names board, but that's just because they're the experts. I still think it was ok to talk about it.
I do want to know if we're (the board, in general) being too board police-ey, though, because the intent was to avoid the multiple threads about the same topic...not genuine discussions that people want to have.
I agree. I don't want people to feel like they can't start discussions.
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Maybe Ill get some for lunch.
You must try it! Order it in sometime when you've been abandoned to fend for your own dinner. Be sure to order veggie pakoras! They're probably as bad as timbits for you, but oh so delicious with tamarind sauce!
Most people try butter chicken curry first, as their main dish. But korma curries are as palatable to most so don't shy away from a korma if it sounds good. If you love spice and have an asbestos mouth, spicy vindaloos are for you.
Now I must have Indian!
According to the estimator when I set up Henry's 529 - 4 years at a state school with housing and living expenses will cost 300,000 dollars when henry goes to college in 2031.
We aren't paying for our kids college either.. nevermind the fact that will have two going at the same exact time. We both paid our own way & are very responsible w/our money bc of it. I think our kids would rather us save for our retirement instead of live in their basement later on (I'm exaggerating, but still). Unless of course we become super rich.. then we'll help them out.
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IUI #3 April - CD3 U/S 4-10. Letrozole, Follistim, Ovidrel CD11 - Cancelled.. TI w/5 follicles-BFN
IUI #3.1 May - CD3 U/S 5-6, Follistim start 5-11 thru 5-17, u/s 5-18 3 mature w/ a close 4th, IUI 5-20 - BFP!
Beta #1 12dpo - 164 & progesterone - 89!, Beta #2 16 dpo - 1189, 5w3d - u/s shows TWINS!
6/19- u/s showed heartbeats! Baby A 111 & Baby B 118, both measuring 6w1d
7/3- Baby A hb 170, Baby B hb 166 - both measuring perfect.
7/18 - Baby A 165, Baby B 171 - both measuring right on track & moving all around!
Waited a long time, tried a lot of stuff, science made me a mom.
Overall I feel as if people typically want to do whatever their parents did/didn't do for them. But in our circle, we get s@$& for feeling this way since most of our friends had help from their parents. Glad to see it's not as much of an "UO" as I thought.
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I teach at university and I see far too many students who ought not to be there wasting theirs or their parents' money! It is a shame that some people feel like a university degree is necessary when a trade would be much more appropriate, enjoyable, and lucrative for some people.
It is crazy how many of my peers from undergrad are still paying off their degrees while working at a job they could have gotten right out if high school! Sure, some will be promoted further with a degree than without, but I bet a pile of them would be much happier fixing cars or computer networks than selling shirts.
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Waited a long time, tried a lot of stuff, science made me a mom.
10 years isn't too long for some career paths.
Personally I would have stayed in undergrad forever! I loved undergrad because I love learning and being kind of spoon fed! But, I was paying for most myself so I had to make the decisions based on finances.
But there's no corresponding gender bleed the other direction for boys to have a space to emulate traditionally girly things. No one thinks a boy named Jessica is cool, in fact, you'd probably have everyone ask if you're okay in the head, and then question if you actually hate your son. Even if the name was something that, to me, sounds kinda masculine anyway, like Madison. I can feel myself taking this too far, but hey, it's my UO: I think it is just part of a larger insidious sexism that also says it's not okay in any way for boys to emulate girls/women, because of the devaluation of anything associated with femininity.
/rant over
PS even though this is in UO, I still feel a bit uneasy posting it (though I obviously feel strongly) because frankly, I know a lot of people who love "boy" names for their girls and are not consciously trying to be sexist... I guess, for me, I just can't unthink about the above now that it's been thought.
I really don't think you need to never post a new discussion because of the random threads. If you have a topic you want to discuss and get opinions on, by all means post it.
Just not the ones that you can logically know if everyone of the hundreds of people on the board posted their own thread for it would be super annoying and out of control (sex, I felt the baby, aw our announcement, I have an ultrasound/appt today, etc)
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My comment was saying you may get more responses if you post in the daily thread, at that point you had around 127 views and no responses. I was just trying to be helpful that people tend to want to chat about random stuff/commiserate, etc in the daily threads and you may get more feedback there.
do what you want, but if you post every little thought that pops into your head as a new thread don't be frustrated when you get crickets.
We aren't paying for our kids college either.. nevermind the fact that will have two going at the same exact time. We both paid our own way & are very responsible w/our money bc of it. I think our kids would rather us save for our retirement instead of live in their basement later on (I'm exaggerating, but still). Unless of course we become super rich.. then we'll help them out.
We don't plan to pay for our kids' college either. Everyone in our families is horrified. We might help them out senior year if they have kept their grades up and been responsible.
DH and I both saw so many of our college friends get bogus degrees because they thought those classes were easy or fun and they didn't have to pay for it. Now they can't get a decent job and they blame the economy.
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*stuck in the box!*
Nope. She started out in Biology (2 years), then moved to a different state and did 2 years of an undeclared major, then decided on Environmental Soil Science as a major & Spanish as a minor - that took 4 years. Now she's on year 2 of her masters program. She's supposed to graduate in November. I think.
I feel compelled to respond to the boy-name for girl thing and I want to preface by saying I completely hear you and your message of a larger subtext of sexism in name selection. Additionally, I by no means am trying to convince anyone because I love the names I am considering and understand their personal meaning which my child will hopefully cherish as well. (I love discussion not fighting! Please read it this way!)
I have openly shared my love of boy names for girls and this is where context and reasoning is important. I do not like the names that I like simply because they are boy names... But rather their personal familial meaning as well as their "sound." The sound component for me separates it because the boy names I like have similar sounds to girl names. Charlie (Ashley, Brittany, MacKenzie etc) is one. And Elliott (Charlotte, Bridgette etc) have effeminate sounds which removes, for me, their masculinity and would still befit a girlie girl. Identity issue averted? Maybe.
I am not a tomboy by any means, though I participate and am empowered by sports, as I feel athleticism is a universal interest and source of accomplishment for many.
And finally, speaking to the point about the lack of equality on the boy's with girl's names portion, there I have no argument. I agree. There is a discrepancy there. Having said that, I do know that as a parent I may not name my son a unisex name (just as I would forgo "Butch" or "Hank" or anything uber masculine) because as a parent you have a right to personal preference, but I would support their choices to explore typical "girl" hobbies, clothes etc and let them share with me if those interest are simply curiosity or perhaps a larger question of identity.
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On the Beyonce topic, I'm not much of a fan. Although her VMA's performance was pretty good.
But what the hell is a "surfbort"?
I think its in her drunk in love song? I THINK.
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I guess here's where I am now: I personally have no connection to any names that are traditionally boy names (I have a daughter, and don't know yet about this pregnancy, so we might be in the situation of naming a girl again). But, to take one of my examples, I LOVE football and most other sports too. I'm pretty sure that my enjoyment of football has nothing to do with wanting to be cool or wanting to emulate men, either in general or in my life. I like football because I like football. You like names like Charlie and Elliott because you do! I would never tell you you're wrong or misguided for liking them (and if it seemed that way from my other post, I sincerely apologize.).
So I guess what I'm struggling to articulate is that my real problem is with society being so accepting of choices that go one way, but not the other.
PS @jennwilhoite -- thanks for your response! Ashley was actually a male name first, but according to Wikipedia (that bastion of accuracy -- perhaps someone else has a better resource?), "...it gained popularity as a female first name in the United States in the late 20th century. Its sudden rise in popularity is generally attributed to the emergence of the female soap opera character Ashley Abbott on The Young and The Restless in 1982." I'm still wondering if there is a female name that has regularly started to be used for males?
Waited a long time, tried a lot of stuff, science made me a mom.
BFP 6/15/14 EDD: 2/24/15