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Re: Serious, non-offensive question about all your views on religion & TTC

  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    I should have clarified in regards to my military reference - was not specifically about religion soley.  I used that comment in reference to being de-sensitized to things life, in general.  Ok great that you're military husbands or military friends learned to be sensitive, I was not apart of their units & vice versa, so neither they nor you know what I learned/didn't learn.  I never got deployed, so I know nothing about any cultural training.  I say that my military life has something to do with it, b/c I personally went through things that taught me to stop being so damn sensitive when someone is not directly offending me.

    So what, you would rather I did not understand the process, then end up being one of the women that says the very thing you find offensive?  Would you rather I did not ask my so called stupid question & instead post a "praise be my goddess for willing me to be pregnant"?  Yeah cuz being ignorant is SOOOOO much better than being knowledgable!

    I did not come here to troll.  I did originally come here for support, but frankly, I've gotten that elsewhere.  I still hang around, because reasons.  I did not initially mean to start drama, but if you're all going to make that assumption, I might as well play along.

    I came out of lurking b/c I wanted to understand something that has never been an issue in my world.  B/c I seem to live around a bunch of insensitive, not caring, every man for themselves, type of people.  People who will speak about their religions & not give a shit who cares.  So excuse me for trying to break myself away from the attitude I've been surrounded by & instead get to know a new way of thinking.
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    DovahFel said:

    I also am a believer in God.  There are limits to what I tolerate though. "God's Plan" stuff doesn't bug me.  What bugs me is when someone is a jerk, THEN brings God into the equation to somehow justify their miserable attitude.

    Frankly, I feel many people on this board have a pretty intolerant view of religion (for example: Those saying "Never bring it up in a public forum." I mean seriously, this is stupid.  Many people make their faith a central part of their lives.  Would you tell someone who was gay to NEVER mention it? Pretty intolerant IMHO) However, MOST people here are extremely tolerant unless you are being a jerk about it.

    Want to talk about what you believe God's will for your life is? Great. Want to discuss how you feel that God's timing is for you to wait? Awesome.     Want to try to tell someone else what YOU think God's plan for their life is? I tend to get all kinds of twitchy at that.Tell me that God is punishing someone by withholding children? Buddy, unless you are a prophet (and that stopped a looooong time ago) we're gunna go rounds.

    I won't get pissy at someone of a faith other than mine celebrating what they believe and finding solace in that.  I won't get pissy if a homosexual is on here talking about the love they have for their partner. Faith, just like sexual orientation, extends further than the bedroom/church doors respectively. This is why both are or SHOULD BE protected status. But if you use EITHER as a mode for hatred or to put others down, I lose all respect for you.


    Thank you for your full explanation.  I truly appreciate it
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    @littleliverpill:  Sorry for some reason when I typed that, the quote button was being dumb.  I was not talking directly to you, I was referring to the overall comments I've gotten, and to the earlier comments about my brain not being smarter than a 5 year old, or my stupidity...

    And to be honest, yeah why not play a damn troll, if no matter how I try to interact, I am seen as such?  I am not going to be a gbcb person just because I am not liked.  There are probably some legit newbies coming here for legit reasons.  But they say one damn thing wrong and all flaming hell breaks loose.  Then they turn around & get pissy, and start calling you nasty names (which yes is horrible).  Because instead of understanding that not everyone has the same common sense, the same manners, or whatever, you just turn around and "you obviously do not belong here".

    I am by no means saying any of you deserve the shitty stuff that these cbgb women will say directly towards you (like the *C* word stuff).  I am just saying that perhaps there should be some more acceptance here.  This is a public forum, not a damn sorority where you go through hazing in order to be apart of the club.  Ladies tell me I do not know how to socialize or how to, in a phrase, come at people.  Funny thing is, IRL, I have no problem socializing.  Perhaps I socialize differently on the internet, IDK.  However, that does not mean I don't belong here.  It means, I'm on a public forum that can't ban me for no good reason, and so I freely stay.  Whether anyone likes it or not.  So be my guest, continue to call me a troll, flame me.  And I will continue to ask questions as they arise in my not smart brain.
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  • mers90mers90 member
    I don't have a problem when people talk about their beliefs and their personal TTC journey, but I'm an atheist (I was a Wiccan actually, most women on my mother's family are ... But I changed my minds growing up ... But honestly, is my favourite religion) and I hate comments like "oh, I'm sorry you've tried for 2 years, but God has a plan for you" I always feel like "so I should just wait with my legs crossed until someone decides it's my time to get pregnant?" ... I believe in science, and I know the reason I've got PCOS is only because the chemistry in my body is messed up, not because someone decided that 10% to 20% of women should suffer from it. And well, again, I respect religious people, I avoid the subject most of the time and not everyone knows I'm an atheist ... But I'm not gonna let people disrespect my beliefs, because I've been told "maybe you'll get pregnant when you start believing" ... And I refuse to believe I'm being punished.
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    I believe God has a plan for my and my husband that someday includes a family, or else he would not have given us such a strong desire to have one.  We want a baby NOW but since I'm not pregnant yet I have to believe that there is a reason.  Maybe we need to have more money saved, more debts paid off, etc.  I don't try to understand God's will.
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  • MrsAtkinsToBeMrsAtkinsToBe member
    edited August 2014
    That's awesome that you're still here, that inspires me :-) I'm a Christian and I was ridiculed too, it wasn't because of my beliefs it just seems sometimes ppl are hostile toward the choices of others... I was told this isn't the site for me and I was called names on a grade school level which I found hurtful but I'm sticking around and you should too.
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  • WolFoxWolFox member
    Oh good, a religious conversation... 

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  • lilsneezylilsneezy member
    edited August 2014
    IrisPetals said:
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    So what, you would rather I did not understand the process, then end up being one of the women that says the very thing you find offensive?  Would you rather I did not ask my so called stupid question & instead post a "praise be my goddess for willing me to be pregnant"?  Yeah cuz being ignorant is SOOOOO much better than being knowledgable!

    I did not come here to troll.  I did originally come here for support, but frankly, I've gotten that elsewhere.  I still hang around, because reasons.  I did not initially mean to start drama, but if you're all going to make that assumption, I might as well play along.

    I came out of lurking b/c I wanted to understand something that has never been an issue in my world.  B/c I seem to live around a bunch of insensitive, not caring, every man for themselves, type of people.  People who will speak about their religions & not give a shit who cares.  So excuse me for trying to break myself away from the attitude I've been surrounded by & instead get to know a new way of thinking.
    You do know that topics like religion and politics aren't just sensitive subjects to TB, right? I don't know what bubble you live in, but where I come from (planet Earth) the topic of religion makes people uncomfortable. Did you ever hear of the separation of church and state? Yeah, that's a real thing. Stop blaming the military for your ignorance. 
    IrisPetals said:
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    And to be honest, yeah why not play a damn troll, if no matter how I try to interact, I am seen as such?  I am not going to be a gbcb person just because I am not liked.  There are probably some legit newbies coming here for legit reasons.  But they say one damn thing wrong and all flaming hell breaks loose.  Then they turn around & get pissy, and start calling you nasty names (which yes is horrible).  Because instead of understanding that not everyone has the same common sense, the same manners, or whatever, you just turn around and "you obviously do not belong here".

    I am by no means saying any of you deserve the shitty stuff that these cbgb women will say directly towards you (like the *C* word stuff).  I am just saying that perhaps there should be some more acceptance here.  This is a public forum, not a damn sorority where you go through hazing in order to be apart of the club.  Ladies tell me I do not know how to socialize or how to, in a phrase, come at people.  Funny thing is, IRL, I have no problem socializing.  Perhaps I socialize differently on the internet, IDK.  However, that does not mean I don't belong here.  It means, I'm on a public forum that can't ban me for no good reason, and so I freely stay.  Whether anyone likes it or not.  So be my guest, continue to call me a troll, flame me.  And I will continue to ask questions as they arise in my not smart brain.
    If you're getting support from somewhere else then why are you still here? We don't need a resident WK. If you get something out of lurking here, great. But we get nothing out of you participating. You've given out bad advice, wrong information, and really haven't contributed anything useful to the TTC process (which is why we're all here, in case you forgot). There are plenty of people who lurk on this site who don't say anything and don't stir up drama. You act like it's your duty to be here. It's not. But I'm guessing that stems from your military background too?
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    fuzzylogic said:
    bibliothecary said:
    WolFox said:
    Oh good, a religious conversation... 
    Those always go well.

    This is how they should go:

    Religious person: So, I actively practice a religion. How about you?
    Non-religious person: Nah, it's not my thing. But it's cool that you do!
    Religious person: Thanks! That's really neat that you do your own thing. More power to you!
    Non-religious person: Thank you! How about we go work toward some shared goal that will benefit humankind?
    Religious person: That would be fantastic. Let's go be helpful together!



    Excellent.

    "Hey, I've done a lot of reflection and figured out a way of understanding the world that makes me feel better and fits in well with how I want to live my life. The conclusions I've come to are personal and unique, and are therefore not necessarily right for other people. Placing those ideas onto others or judging others for coming to their own, separate conclusions would be inappropriate."



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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    GhostMonkey said:

    You are desensitized to shit and yet you have never set foot out of country?

    And no, you are not desensitized in the military. If anything it goes the other way, EVEN IF YOU AREN'T DEPLOYED EVER. I can't figure out if you are just that stupid that you can't understand things or if you are so removed from reality and have never had to own up to anything in your life that you feel the need to deflect anything and everything and won't take responsibility for anything ever. I have a feel it is the second. Please get some help and do not have a child until you get some serious therapy and until you can accept responsibility for your own life and quit blaming others for your shortcomings.


    I have been through therapy thank you, though not for the things you speak ok. Do not ridicule me and tell me I not to have a child. That is not your place to do. I'm sure there's something about you that I could then have a reason to tell you not to have a baby, but Ooops that would be me deflecting responsibility. I did indeed own up to my mistake, and apologized a million times but I guess you decided to bypasss all that.

    We're you in the military? Doesn't sound like it. So do not tell me no it was not the military. You don't know me, you don't know what I've been through. So in your little world not being deployed means I've never experienced things and therefore it's bullshit- honey you have a thing to learn. I've experienced plenty that gave me an outlook on life which allows me not to get pissy everytime someone wants to express themselves. I've learned that everyone is entitled to their opinions and entitled to speak them. I'm entitled to not like them certainly, but I'm not entitled to mock them, as I feel you've just done.

    I seem detached from reality? Perhaps to you, but I am very much living in reality. Which is why I would never dream of telling another ttc woman not to have a baby. But I guess in your fucked up world that's very acceptable. I would hate to know you in person


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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    @GhostMonkey‌: and since you'll probably bypass everything I said there too, here's exactly how I own up to it. I'm not sorry I asked. Apologies for the offense in it yes. But no I'm not sorry that I come from a world of tolerance, a world that allows me to socialize with people without hating on them the moment they disagree with my views. A world where telling someone who is ttc NOT to have a baby, is the cruelest offense. Since you don't live in my world, I'll make pardon your ignorance on manners.

    Yes I have been surrounded by religious hypocrisy, ignorance, all the evangelical type of religion. And instead of "leave god out of it" I let it roll off my shoulders and move along. Why? Because their god means nothing to me. I have not had this happen yet but as example (since a lot of ladies here are Christians and still appalled) if another wiccan told me their god wills/not wills things for them or others, good for them! But that is not the same way I believe therefore whatever nonsense they speak of does not hurt me. If it's directed towards me then yes perfectly acceptable to get mad. Otherwise, it's spilt milk. Why bitch and whine and retaliate with nasty words over, over what? Over their expression of beliefs, that in the end will not change mine?

    Whatever reality you live in is sad, because you waste so much energy getting upset over someone else's expressed opinions, when they do not directly affect you. And then you fight fire with fire, which yeah that totally makes you right. SMH. Did that make you feel better to tell me not to have a baby? Does that help you to sleep at night? So sad...
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    edited August 2014
    @Encchanted:  What did I say that was hateful?  Please enlighten me, I see no mistake such as that.  I did not direct any offense to any specific person, with the exception of GhostMonkey since she felt justified in her direct offence.
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  • TrampslikeusTrampslikeus member
    If everyone stopped responding to you, would you continue posting here and replying to yourself?   Just curious.

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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    Trampslikeus said:
    If everyone stopped responding to you, would you continue posting here and replying to yourself?   Just curious.
    Hahaha it's a thought, I mean I do enjoy talking to myself, the conversations can be quite entertaining =))
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    @DarcyHermione  Yay me!  Maybe I'm not a lost cause afterall.
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    DaBearsFansWife said:
    *raises hand* I don't think you were in the military.
    Ok, and???

    I assure you I was.  I could possibly post a picture, but considering what kind of board this is, someone will just turn around and mock me for it.
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    GhostMonkey said:
    DaBearsFansWife said:
    *raises hand* I don't think you were in the military.
    I wouldn't be surprised if she was. DH has some pretty, um, interesting soldiers straight out of boot camp.

    I would be surprised if she was even given the option to re-enlist.

    Oh you're such a peach aren't you?  I did indeed reenlist, with a lovely bonus and choice of duty station.  I must've been a good enough soldier that they practically begged me to stay in once my contract was over.  But I choose to get out to follow another career.
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  • DaBearsFansWifeDaBearsFansWife member
    edited August 2014
    IrisPetals said:


    GhostMonkey said:


    DaBearsFansWife said:

    *raises hand*

    I don't think you were in the military.

    I wouldn't be surprised if she was. DH has some pretty, um, interesting soldiers straight out of boot camp.

    I would be surprised if she was even given the option to re-enlist.


    Oh you're such a peach aren't you?  I did indeed reenlist, with a lovely bonus and choice of duty station.  I must've been a good enough soldier that they practically begged me to stay in once my contract was over.  But I choose to get out to follow another career.
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    IrisPetals said:
    they practically begged me to stay in once my contract was over.  But I choose to get out to follow another career.

    Right.  That was because you're such a speshul snowflake. Not because that's standard operating procedure.   They also begged my mentally ill, pathological liar, quite possibly cognitively impaired deadbeat-dad brother in law to reenlist.  So, congratulations on being in that boat with him. Or something.

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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    Ah gotta love all the hating.  Yes, yes because this is what it's like to be on the bump.  We can all mock you, be nasty and offend you, call you a liar, and yep we are right.  But you stranger do the same and we will rip you to shreds.
    Double standard fuckery, gotta love it.
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    edited August 2014
    cateyes55413 said:
    AnnaTTCat32 said:
     
    IrisPetals said:

     
    Oh you're such a peach aren't you?  I did indeed reenlist, with a lovely bonus and choice of duty station.  I must've been a good enough soldier that they practically begged me to stay in once my contract was over.  But I choose to get out to follow another career.
    Really?  A peach? 
    The military begs everyone to re-enlist. It hurts their numbers when soldiers do not re-enlist. I have seen the worst soldiers ever get begged to stay so retention remains high. And the bonus is not based on "good behavior" it is based on whatever that branch/MOS is giving at the moment. This just further proves you were probably never in the military. People like you who are posers make people like me (who were in, deployed and saw combat), so angry. Just when I thought today was better than yesterday! 
    The particular MOS I was in, at the time was actually at max capacity that they were not accepting new soldiers into it, and they were pushing others out the door when their ETS came up.  So yes, they did want me to stay, not b/c it's typical protocol.  Also the bonuses that are being given, there are stipulations, such as any marks upon your record.  They don't just hand it out to anyone, as you said it's based on whatever your MOS is giving, and my dear that was how it was in my MOS.
    But here, some damn proof:  I was a 68R, formally known as 91R.  I received BCT at Fort Jackson, SC.  Went on to AIT at Fort Sam Houston, TX, which is the center of all 68 MOS.  My 1st duty station was NEDVC, then I reenlisted for SCADVC.  Let's see, for awhile I was indifferent to changing from BDUs to ACUs, because I actually enjoyed shining my boots.  Class As are a pain in the ass, though I prefer the skirt rather than pants.  I went through WLC, which was like BCT for SGTs.... I could go on... Shall I continue?  Or shall I dumb that down for the civilians?
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    .... still not buying it...
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    GhostMonkey said:
    Oh hai PERSEC violation.

     


    Coming from a civilian....  =))
    "PERSEC focuses on protecting information such as rank, your home address and information about your family."
    I gave out none of those.  This also pertains moreso to people who are still in.  As I am not.  Also, you can look up all those terms and locations, and it's everywhere on the internet, so um yeah.... but thumbs up on looking like a dumbass calling me out for something you don't even know about
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    DaBearsFansWife said:
    .... still not buying it...
    Ok and I care?  Oh wait, I don't
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  • DaBearsFansWifeDaBearsFansWife member
    edited August 2014
    IrisPetals said:


    GhostMonkey said:

    Oh hai PERSEC violation.

     



    Coming from a civilian....  =))
    "PERSEC focuses on protecting information such as rank, your home address and information about your family."
    I gave out none of those.  This also pertains moreso to people who are still in.  As I am not.  Also, you can look up all those terms and locations, and it's everywhere on the internet, so um yeah.... but thumbs up on looking like a dumbass calling me out for something you don't even know about


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    Pretend I bolded the part about all those terms being on the Internet.

    That's probably where you found them.
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    Hey here's something funny, I thought all of you were just gonna ignore me?
    For people who call me out for stirring up drama, you sure as hell love feeding into it.  Jokes on you, I'm enjoying all this.
    :))
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    cjchio said:
    Hey here's something funny, I thought all of you were just gonna ignore me?
    For people who call me out for stirring up drama, you sure as hell love feeding into it.  Jokes on you, I'm enjoying all this.
    :))
    So you admit you're trolling?
    I wasn't one before, but sure why not ;)
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    I'm just going to interject with this...

    I seriously can't believe this thread is still going on! Every time I refresh and see the yellow flag I'm all "holy fuck, she's not worth it!!"

    OP: WE NO LIKEY

    But this troll seems hungry so carry on with the feeding ladies :)
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  • IrisPetalsIrisPetals member
    Oh yes, because banning is how you really stick it to me huh.  I bet you go around IRL, meet a stranger, find something you don't like about them and say "I ban you".  Nice ladies, nice.
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