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  • ShakeyJakeyShakeyJakey member
    AnyMax said:

    I find it funny that, of all the side-eye-able things posted on our bmb today, a bat call was put out for the HP hate, and everything else was left alone.

    Just tell us where to go girl

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    I thought @ambershaw512‌ practiced voodoo? Is that not accurate ?
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    CarmAlarm said:

    I thought @ambershaw512‌ practiced voodoo? Is that not accurate ?

    Ooooo plot twist

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    MermaidsMagic said:


    knovitski said:

     What are you afraid will happen if your child sees magic/sorcery and thinks it's real anyway??

    They'll denounce Jesus can come hang out with us heathens. 

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  • peanutbuttervibespeanutbuttervibes member
    My aunt did not allow her children to believe in Santa because she thought if they found out he was fake, they would think the same about god, but she also used to spank us, (her nieces), so there's that...
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    knovitski said:

    I find the HP debate very interesting... I grew up in a very Christian household, but my mom never sheltered us from magic or other "evils" out there (which I don't believe magic is evil anyway). There is value in entertainment and imagination. The Christian college that I attended actually had a very interesting class on why Harry Potter is still totally appropriate for everyone, regardless of beliefs (this was during the time that a lot of the bad hype started about how it was against religious beliefs to watch/read HP). What are you afraid will happen if your child sees magic/sorcery and thinks it's real anyway??

    I'm not afraid for her to see magic/ sorcery her favorite movie is little mermaid, she watches it 100 times a week. I was never sheltered from evils. But let me say this again, if my children want to watch or decorate in harry potter @lstrejcek‌ then fine but it won't be in my house. I don't like lord of the rings I think its stupid and it actually scared me the first time I watched it, my children won't be allowed to watch that either. I just don't like things like that and it won't be watched in my house.

    I never said waving a magic wand or playing dress up was going to magic happen. All kid shows make them use their imaginations and that's perfectly fine, I don't think a 5 yr old should watch harry potter. I don't think magic is evil, but it also depends on how it is used. And where in the hell did anyone get that I said imagination or magic is bad? I said its the difference between cartoons and real people. Its much easier for a child to see cailou or a Disney show and use their imagination rather than seeing real people and monsters from harry potter use sorcery. I also said nothing about religion.

    There is nothing I'm afraid to show my children, I just don't want them to watch harry potter because I don't like it, I don't think its appropriate for children.
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    steelersgirl83 said:



    MermaidsMagic said:


    steelersgirl83 said:

    I thought childhood was all about using your imagination and playing pretend? Little girls can play princess, and dress-up. Little boys can play army and whatnot. Doesn't it promote good use of imagination? Get them outside? Get them away from the tv in general? Personally, I think a childhood spent with no Disney movies, or HP, or any type of fantasy/magic movies/shows would be pretty damn boring. Hell, even Cailou has pretend scenes of him using his imagination.I mean Santa, the Easter Bunny, even Halloween FFS.

    I think if someone is avoiding magic because of religious reasons they aren't doing Santa, Easter Bunny or Halloween.

    Yeah, probably so. But these were just examples of pretend/imagination/fantasy. I was more going with the not allowing your kids to watch fantasy programs because you are worried they won't understand the difference between real and make believe.


    I'm not worried about the difference of real and fake, its the difference of sorcery used for evil and magic that's uses the imagination. They are so different.
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    ambershaw512 said:

    steelersgirl83 said:



    MermaidsMagic said:


    steelersgirl83 said:

    I thought childhood was all about using your imagination and playing pretend? Little girls can play princess, and dress-up. Little boys can play army and whatnot. Doesn't it promote good use of imagination? Get them outside? Get them away from the tv in general? Personally, I think a childhood spent with no Disney movies, or HP, or any type of fantasy/magic movies/shows would be pretty damn boring. Hell, even Cailou has pretend scenes of him using his imagination.I mean Santa, the Easter Bunny, even Halloween FFS.

    I think if someone is avoiding magic because of religious reasons they aren't doing Santa, Easter Bunny or Halloween.

    Yeah, probably so. But these were just examples of pretend/imagination/fantasy. I was more going with the not allowing your kids to watch fantasy programs because you are worried they won't understand the difference between real and make believe.


    I'm not worried about the difference of real and fake, its the difference of sorcery used for evil and magic that's uses the imagination. They are so different.

    You don't like real life actors doing it, but it's okay for cartoons...but your not worried about real vs fake? It's a stretch and it sounds like you're not really sure why you don't want your kids watching it. Your posts contradict each other and you sound like an ignorant control freak.
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    knovitski said:

    @alexisann4250 Spanking is actually very common, even in religious families. Many will reference Proverbs 13:24 which says if you love your child you should discipline them (specifically with a rod). I certainly don't agree with this, but just noting that although it may seem counterintuitive, discipline and religion are linked.

    I never said it wasn't common or how I felt about it, just that she felt comfortable spanking other people's kids. Which to me, is not ok.

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    Another UO: I actually like Caillou.
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    mrsdanielleM2010 said:

    ambershaw512 said:


    I never said waving a magic wand or playing dress up was going to magic happen. All kid shows make them use their imaginations and that's perfectly fine, I don't think a 5 yr old should watch harry potter. I don't think magic is evil, but it also depends on how it is used.

    But evil loses in Harry Potter. The message is that there are good and bad people in the world, which is reality even if some of them are magic and some aren't. In the end, good triumphs which makes Harry Potter redemptive... A Christian theme. Show your kids what you want, ban what you want... But now that I've seen your rationale I say I disagree completely.
    You needed her rationale to disagree? ;)


                                                         
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    mrsdanielleM2010 said:

    ambershaw512 said:


    I never said waving a magic wand or playing dress up was going to magic happen. All kid shows make them use their imaginations and that's perfectly fine, I don't think a 5 yr old should watch harry potter. I don't think magic is evil, but it also depends on how it is used.

    But evil loses in Harry Potter. The message is that there are good and bad people in the world, which is reality even if some of them are magic and some aren't. In the end, good triumphs which makes Harry Potter redemptive... A Christian theme. Show your kids what you want, ban what you want... But now that I've seen your rationale I say I disagree completely.
    This is why I said it depends on how its used. I just don't like how harry potter uses it and I couldn't even watch one whole movie to get any kind of christian theme from it.
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    @ambershaw512

    I'm not worried about the difference of real and fake, its the difference of sorcery used for evil and magic that's uses the imagination. They are so different.
    You don't like real life actors doing it, but it's okay for cartoons...but your not worried about real vs fake? It's a stretch and it sounds like you're not really sure why you don't want your kids watching it. Your posts contradict each other and you sound like an ignorant control freak.
    Exactly. Now I'm confused about what the issue is. In previous posts, you said that your issue with HP is that your child won't know the difference between real and fake (actors vs cartoons), then you said you don't want them to watch it because you don't like it / the movies scared you, and then the issue is that sorcery is used for evil and you are now not concerned about differentiating between real and fake. Have I kept track of this correctly? Obviously what you choose to let your children watch is totally up to you and fine, but know your reasoning for it and stick to it.

    Its easy for kids to see cartoon and say fake and with real people its harder for them to understand its fake. I'm not worried between real and fake. Its evil and imagination. Disney, no let's go with barney, has magic everywhere but it shows kids how to use there imagination. Harry potter is sorcery and spells, there are monsters and evil blah blah. Its not creating a healthy imagination to me.
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    ambershaw512 said:
    I never said waving a magic wand or playing dress up was going to magic happen. All kid shows make them use their imaginations and that's perfectly fine, I don't think a 5 yr old should watch harry potter. I don't think magic is evil, but it also depends on how it is used.
    But evil loses in Harry Potter. The message is that there are good and bad people in the world, which is reality even if some of them are magic and some aren't. In the end, good triumphs which makes Harry Potter redemptive... A Christian theme. Show your kids what you want, ban what you want... But now that I've seen your rationale I say I disagree completely.
    This is why I said it depends on how its used. I just don't like how harry potter uses it and I couldn't even watch one whole movie to get any kind of christian theme from it.
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    @ambershaw512

    I'm not worried about the difference of real and fake, its the difference of sorcery used for evil and magic that's uses the imagination. They are so different.
    You don't like real life actors doing it, but it's okay for cartoons...but your not worried about real vs fake? It's a stretch and it sounds like you're not really sure why you don't want your kids watching it. Your posts contradict each other and you sound like an ignorant control freak.

    Exactly. Now I'm confused about what the issue is. In previous posts, you said that your issue with HP is that your child won't know the difference between real and fake (actors vs cartoons), then you said you don't want them to watch it because you don't like it / the movies scared you, and then the issue is that sorcery is used for evil and you are now not concerned about differentiating between real and fake. Have I kept track of this correctly? Obviously what you choose to let your children watch is totally up to you and fine, but know your reasoning for it and stick to it.
    Its easy for kids to see cartoon and say fake and with real people its harder for them to understand its fake. I'm not worried between real and fake. Its evil and imagination. Disney, no let's go with barney, has magic everywhere but it shows kids how to use there imagination. Harry potter is sorcery and spells, there are monsters and evil blah blah. Its not creating a healthy imagination to me.

    How do you figure?  What about when you go to Disney or other such places and you see these cartoon characters "brought to life" by people in suits??

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    mrsdanielleM2010 said:

    AnyMax said:

    mrsdanielleM2010 said:

    ambershaw512 said:


    I never said waving a magic wand or playing dress up was going to magic happen. All kid shows make them use their imaginations and that's perfectly fine, I don't think a 5 yr old should watch harry potter. I don't think magic is evil, but it also depends on how it is used.

    But evil loses in Harry Potter. The message is that there are good and bad people in the world, which is reality even if some of them are magic and some aren't. In the end, good triumphs which makes Harry Potter redemptive... A Christian theme. Show your kids what you want, ban what you want... But now that I've seen your rationale I say I disagree completely.
    You needed her rationale to disagree? ;)
    Oh Max, I'm still naive enough to give the benefit of the doubt? Either that or I just wanted to see what would happen.
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    shimmer475 said:
    I'm not one to tell people how to do their job because I don't want people to tell me how to do my job BUT when I walk in for blood work and tell the lady I have awful veins and butterfly needles usually work better please just take my word for it. Nope she says I got this stabs me once and didn't get the vein, tries again, guess what she can't get the vein! Gives up and has another nurse do it, the other nurse uses a butterfly needle and gets it first try. I was so upset she didn't listen to me! I was there for a 2 hour glucose test, should have only taken 3 needles instead since this woman knew what she was doing and didn't listen to me I ended up with 5 needles!
    You seriously have the same UO as I did! I got stuck twice on Monday in both arms for the same reason. At my 3 hour today, two students tried and couldn't do it and the supervisor came over and had to do it. I had hear complete my last three draws...I am pissed and look like a junky now. Not to mention huge bruises all over my arms =(.
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    @ambershaw512‌ my only question: are they allowed to read Harry Potter in your house? (When they get old enough to read, obvi)

    Also, I freaking love HP. I have a secret crush on Hermione as the MN for this baby girl
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    crystalangel79 said:
    I have never actually seen/read Harry Potter (it was well after my childhood) so would have to actually see it before making my opinion about it... I don't have any opinion one way or the other at the moment.  

    I may get flamed for this but DH and I will not teach that Santa or Easter Bunny are real in our home. Sure, we will tell the stories, see it on cartoons/tv, have Santa decorations, talk about the history of St. Nicholas, do Easter egg hunts, etc... but we will not actually tell our kids that a man in a red suit comes into our home leaving presents or that a ginormous fluffy bunny leaves eggs in our yard. We will not sign gifts from Santa or the EB but we will read the Night Before Christmas, watch the Polar Express, eat chocolate bunnies, talk about the "story" of it, etc. It's a personal choice and yes it has a lot to do with our faith and keeping focused on that instead of telling our kids that myth is reality. I have no problem with others who do this of course. Flame Away... 

    As for not letting a kid see a particular show or movie, eh... to each their own. I may not agree with the rationale because yes I think kids can see myth vs reality. I love the magical story (with real actors) of Narnia written by the christian author with a christian story (CS Lewis) and my children will see that (and likely HP once I view it first). As I stated, I have no problem with my kids learning about the myth of magic, mermaids, talking animals in Disney, HP, Narnia, Mickey Mouse, Santa Claus or Easter Bunny as told in stories/legend but not to tell them any of it is reality. That being said, whatever... is it going to warp a child if he/she doesn't see HP or LOTR? Nah. NBD to me. 

    The one thing I would agree with is age appropriateness. Is it appropriate for a 5 year old to watch LOTR... not to me. To each their own but that is more of a violence/scary issue that I think is more appropriate for a 12-13 year old, not the content or idea of myth vs reality. I think kids should embrace, see and use their imagination so long as guiding parents keep reality vs myth in perspective. I love LOTR (also written by a Christian author with christian themes). 

    That all being said... I agree that many kids will still read/watch things their parents don't wish them too... part of growing up so it is important we DO teach them and let them see myth and reality. 
    I have a friend who does this. Her 2 year old is already taught that Santa is not real. I don't flame it. I understand your point but at the same time it makes me sad. Why not let your kids believe in magic? And I don't mean magic literally, and I'm also not directing this as you, Crystal. More of a rhetorical question. I just like the idea of myth and imagination when kids are young and don't need to be exposed to the reality of the world we live in just yet. 
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    mrsdanielleM2010 said:

    AccioPizza said:

    @ambershaw512‌ my only question: are they allowed to read Harry Potter in your house? (When they get old enough to read, obvi)

    Also, I freaking love HP. I have a secret crush on Hermione as the MN for this baby girl

    Your name has a Harry Potter spell in it, so don't be offended if @ambershaw512‌ chooses to pretend you didn't respond. You know, cause sorcery and evil and stuff.
    Bahahahahahahahhahaha!!!! I'm seriously dying to know though so I hope she does
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    suitern said:

    shimmer475 said:
    I'm not one to tell people how to do their job because I don't want people to tell me how to do my job BUT when I walk in for blood work and tell the lady I have awful veins and butterfly needles usually work better please just take my word for it. Nope she says I got this stabs me once and didn't get the vein, tries again, guess what she can't get the vein! Gives up and has another nurse do it, the other nurse uses a butterfly needle and gets it first try. I was so upset she didn't listen to me! I was there for a 2 hour glucose test, should have only taken 3 needles instead since this woman knew what she was doing and didn't listen to me I ended up with 5 needles!
    You seriously have the same UO as I did! I got stuck twice on Monday in both arms for the same reason. At my 3 hour today, two students tried and couldn't do it and the supervisor came over and had to do it. I had hear complete my last three draws...I am pissed and look like a junky now. Not to mention huge bruises all over my arms =(.
    If students did your stick, they more than likely (at least I HOPE) asked your permission. They're students, ergo, they're still learning and making mistakes. I don't get how you're pissed. I know it sucks to get bruised up and it's a pain...but again: students.
    Also, just a general comment...I hope everyone knows how much practice it takes to get GOOD at phlebotomy. It's hard and not everyone's veins aren't the same. We don't have x-ray vision and a lot of the time, we can't SEE the vein that we're going for/that's good enough to stick...we go by feel.
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    AccioPizza said:
    @ambershaw512‌ my only question: are they allowed to read Harry Potter in your house? (When they get old enough to read, obvi) Also, I freaking love HP. I have a secret crush on Hermione as the MN for this baby girl
    Your name has a Harry Potter spell in it, so don't be offended if @ambershaw512‌ chooses to pretend you didn't respond. You know, cause sorcery and evil and stuff.
    Bahahahahahahahhahaha!!!! I'm seriously dying to know though so I hope she does
    but would she even understand the connection? having not read the books, nor watched one entire movie? yet somehow finding them to have no redeeming qualities? yeah, right.

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    AccioPizza said:

    @ambershaw512‌ my only question: are they allowed to read Harry Potter in your house? (When they get old enough to read, obvi)

    Also, I freaking love HP. I have a secret crush on Hermione as the MN for this baby girl

    No, if they wanna read it somewhere else fine but not in my house.
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    @brittneyandadam‌ im capable of seeing the difference between real and fake. I have faith that my kids can too, once they are taught. SIL kid is 6 and he wholeheartedly believes in HP and thinks its real but batman is fake. And he has been told but more than one person its fake. And just because Precious scared the shit out of me the first time I watched has nothing to do with why I won't show the movie to my kids.

    @kaitlinr87‌ if they watch the movie or read the book somewhere else fine, I've already said this. But its not gonna happen in my house.

    @bmwaters21‌ you have a good point. I guess when they are at the age that they can understand and school assignments like @brittneyandadam‌ said then that will have to be a serious talk.

    @CarmAlarm‌ a book is one thing, pot is another.

    @AccioPizza‌ im not banning all book, DD loves to read and I read to her every single day all day long. I just don't want my kids reading harry potter. When it comes time for them to be school assignments which I've never heard of then we will cross that bridge when it comes. But for now I stand by my opinion that my kids will not be allowed to read or watch HP.
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