I completely agree that WIC should not offer formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed. Breastfeeding isn't easy whether you work or stay home but it's the right choice. 98% of the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed aren't very good excuses.
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed.
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for the rant! One of the great hormonal perks pregnancy has offered me.
Maybe people who formula feed feel judged by people and that is why they seem to demand extra respect. I mean, read the bolded. Judgey much?
My UO is that I crack up over how opinionated FTM-to-be are on any and every baby issue, from vaccines, bottle types, BF/FF, labor plans, etc etc..
Im a FTM and I'll admit I don't know squat about parenting. But I can't agree with you about not having an opinion on vaccines. That's science, not parenting. Vaccines don't cause harm but not vaccinating can kill your kid or someone else's. People who don't vaccinate are dumb. I'm hoping to find a pediatrician who refuses to care for kids who are not vaccinated. I don't want to sit in the waiting room with your kid who might have measles.
This is very true, opinions on vaccines are not something that you change based on your experience as a parent.
Agreed100%. Btw we vaccinate according to official schedule. That was not the best example of opinionated opinion and I am retracting that one. How about stuff like I will never offer my kid a paci or I will only use 100% organic/all natural stuff or My kid will not watch a lick of tv till they are 10 etc etc...
I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THE "VACCINATION VS. NON-VACCINATION" MOVEMENT. Particulary from this Facebook page called Natural Parenting. UGH the two sides will NEVER agree so lets just drop it ok?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
The reason why the pro-vaccination movement doesn't get dropped is that many people believe that not vaccinating children is a public health issue rather than just a parenting one. Those who choose not to vaccinate aren't just potentially harming their own children, they're also taking herd immunity away from those who aren't able to vaccinate for health/age reasons.
one issue i have with cloth diapering is that both dh and i work full time. my child care situation will most likely be my mom and MIL and i feel like it's awkward to ask them to wash out pee and poop from a cloth diaper. i'm sure they would if i asked them to but it seems regular diapers are much easier. i should mention im not really educated on cloth diapering
what do moms who send their kids to daycare do?
All of what @abbyful said. DH and I work full time, and our dcp just throws them in a wetbag for us. We do use these disposable liners so that she just tosses the poop in the trash. Easy peasy.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed.
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for the rant! One of the great hormonal perks pregnancy has offered me.
Maybe people who formula feed feel judged by people and that is why they seem to demand extra respect. I mean, read the bolded. Judgey much?
Breastfeeding is better than formula feeding, that's a fact. So when people don't approve of formula feeding it's based off of facts not judgements or opinions. It's annoying for strangers to demand extra respect for doing nothing that deserves it.
I think most people would agree if you are not choosing the best option for your child, it's a poor choice. Everyone judges for one reason or another, mine just happens to be related to formula feeding. Isn't this the thread for unpopular opinions?
I completely agree that WIC should not offer formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed.
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for the rant! One of the great hormonal perks pregnancy has offered me.
Maybe people who formula feed feel judged by people and that is why they seem to demand extra respect. I mean, read the bolded. Judgey much?
Breastfeeding is better than formula feeding, that's a fact. So when people don't approve of formula feeding it's based of facts not judgements or opinions.
I think most people would agree if you are not choosing the best option for your child, it's a poor choice. Everyone judges for one reason or another, mine just happens to be related to formula feeding. Isn't this the thread for unpopular opinions?
You don't know why these women choose formula over breast milk though. Maybe they have a crappy supply, maybe their child has an allergy and needs a special formula... lumping all formula moms together and saying it's a "poor choice" is judgey. Just because it's not the choice for you, doesn't mean it's a poor choice for someone else.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed. Breastfeeding isn't easy whether you work or stay home but it's the right choice. 98% of the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed aren't very good excuses.
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
Woah. Way to attack people there. Women who don't breastfeed are lazy? 98% of the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed "aren't very good." Those are some pretty strong and unsubstantiated facts right there.
Mommy shaming bullshit.
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I completely agree that WIC should not offer formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed. Breastfeeding isn't easy whether you work or stay home but it's the right choice. 98% of the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed aren't very good excuses.
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
I want to become a CLC so I obviously love and support breastfeeding. That said, sometimes women arent being lazy and sometimes they are. LLL and WIC agree breastfeeding is best and educate but I dont feel either put FF mothers down. At least thats how it was when I went to my LLL meetings.
WIC, Im on it and agree with the drs note. Not like the dr wont write one if you just choose to FF. You need a note to get soy milk so why not?
CD, doing it round 2, well half and half. My daycare sucks with it! I used the disposiable liners, told them to just toss them. Never did, just rolled it all up and put it in a pkastic bag in my wet bag. Smh....mind you, I work there. Not in that room though. Im going to let them use disposibles and last diaper change, make it a cd.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer
formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay
for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed. Breastfeeding isn't
easy whether you work or stay home but it's the right choice. 98% of
the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed aren't very good excuses.
On
the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on
TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because
they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast
feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for
their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most
informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best
decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some
reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for
my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
Woah. Way
to attack people there. Women who don't breastfeed are lazy? 98% of the
excuses mothers make to not breastfeed "aren't very good." Those are
some pretty strong and unsubstantiated facts right there.
Mommy shaming bullshit.
Believe it or not, there are TONS of women who choose not to breastfeed because they say it's too much work or they feel awkward doing it. Umm yes, those are are pretty poor and lazy excuses. I am not referring to women who don't have a good supply or can't breastfeed because of work. I am specifically referring to women who just "don't feel like" breastfeeding.
Did you know that less than 20% of women breastfeed after 3 months and less than 40% do before 3 months? Do you really think 60% of women have a legitimate excuse not to breastfeed? I guess before formula was invented all infants just starved to death. You are no more informed if you actually think most women aren't breastfeeding because of reasons outside of their control.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed.
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for the rant! One of the great hormonal perks pregnancy has offered me.
Maybe people who formula feed feel judged by people and that is why they seem to demand extra respect. I mean, read the bolded. Judgey much?
Breastfeeding is better than formula feeding, that's a fact. So when people don't approve of formula feeding it's based off of facts not judgements or opinions. It's annoying for strangers to demand extra respect for doing nothing that deserves it.
I think most people would agree if you are not choosing the best option for your child, it's a poor choice. Everyone judges for one reason or another, mine just happens to be related to formula feeding. Isn't this the thread for unpopular opinions?
Wow Judegey McJudgerson.
With my first, I was able to breastfeed just fine. And then I went back to work and had to pump Guess what? I didn't respond to the pump well, no matter what I tried - supplements, different pumps, hand expressing, you name it, I tried it, and drove myself absolutely crazy in the process. And eventually, there came a day where I couldn't pump enough to feed my child, and I'd run out of what little I'd frozen before I went back to work. So I had to make the "poor choice" of giving him formula or underfeeding him.
I'm not saying I deserve accolades for giving my kid formula, and I don't deny that breastfeeding is the better option, but to call it a "poor choice"? As if I had a damn choice? That's bullshit.
I sure hope you don't have any problems breastfeeding.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer
formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay
for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed. Breastfeeding isn't
easy whether you work or stay home but it's the right choice. 98% of
the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed aren't very good excuses.
On
the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on
TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because
they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast
feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for
their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most
informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best
decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some
reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for
my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
Woah. Way
to attack people there. Women who don't breastfeed are lazy? 98% of the
excuses mothers make to not breastfeed "aren't very good." Those are
some pretty strong and unsubstantiated facts right there.
Mommy shaming bullshit.
Believe it or not, there are TONS of women who choose not to breastfeed because they say it's too much work or they feel awkward doing it. Umm yes, those are are pretty poor and lazy excuses. I am not referring to women who don't have a good supply or can't breastfeed because of work. I am specifically referring to women who just "don't feel like" breastfeeding.
Did you know that less than 20% of women breastfeed after 3 months and less than 40% do before 3 months? Do you really think 60% of women have a legitimate excuse not to breastfeed? I guess before formula was invented all infants just starved to death. You are no more informed if you actually think most women aren't breastfeeding because of reasons outside of their control.
Why the fuck do you care? Is it affecting YOU or YOUR baby?
I am going to try breastfeeding but from what I've read it can be very tough for type 1 diabetics to do. Blood sugars get wonky and it's hard on mom. I refuse to further stress myself or my kid out by forcing something that makes us unhappy. I guess I'd be lazy in your eyes.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer
formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay
for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed. Breastfeeding isn't
easy whether you work or stay home but it's the right choice. 98% of
the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed aren't very good excuses.
On
the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on
TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because
they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast
feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for
their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most
informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best
decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some
reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for
my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
Woah. Way
to attack people there. Women who don't breastfeed are lazy? 98% of the
excuses mothers make to not breastfeed "aren't very good." Those are
some pretty strong and unsubstantiated facts right there.
Mommy shaming bullshit.
Believe it or not, there are TONS of women who choose not to breastfeed because they say it's too much work or they feel awkward doing it. Umm yes, those are are pretty poor and lazy excuses. I am not referring to women who don't have a good supply or can't breastfeed because of work. I am specifically referring to women who just "don't feel like" breastfeeding.
Did you know that less than 20% of women breastfeed after 3 months and less than 40% do before 3 months? Do you really think 60% of women have a legitimate excuse not to breastfeed? I guess before formula was invented all infants just starved to death. You are no more informed if you actually think most women aren't breastfeeding because of reasons outside of their control.
Similar to what I bolded, I've had women tell me BFing is disgusting and that's why they make formula now. And they've tried to talk me out of BFing.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed. Breastfeeding isn't easy whether you work or stay home but it's the right choice. 98% of the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed aren't very good excuses.
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
I'm sorry but this is bs. UO is one thing but this is not just stating an opinion.
Breastfeeding isn't an option for some for tons of reasons. I will attempt to BF because I want to but if it doesn't work, then I'm not going to beat myself up about it.
I am 1 of 4 kids and 3 of us were straight formula because my mom didn't produce. She finally produced with my brother and BFd for over a year. He barely finished high school, has ADD/ADHD and my sister who was only FF is getting her 2nd PHD .
Maybe you should keep your "facts" to yourself because this world is not 1 size fits all. There are always exceptions which keep fact from being fact.
one issue i have with cloth diapering is that both dh and i work full time. my child care situation will most likely be my mom and MIL and i feel like it's awkward to ask them to wash out pee and poop from a cloth diaper. i'm sure they would if i asked them to but it seems regular diapers are much easier. i should mention im not really educated on cloth diapering
what do moms who send their kids to daycare do?
I have no desire to CD, but my MIL CD-ed all 4 of her kids. So when she babysits, she still dumps poop out of a disposable diaper into the toilet before throwing the diaper away.
If it's something you're interested in, I would ask your moms what they think.
I don't CD myself, though I am contemplating it for this one.
I could be wrong, and that is very likely, but I'm pretty sure that you are supposed to dump the poop out of disposable diapers before putting them in the trash anyways. Something about human waste and the spread of disease if it is put in a land fill. Clearly I've done a ton of research on it.
Maybe in an ideal world. No one IRL does that except my MIL. I can also guarantee you that they don't do it at daycares.
I'm not saying most people do. Hell I don't do it most of the time. I'm just saying that you're "supposed" to do it.
Yeah I did this until my son's massive dumps started clogging my toilet.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed. Breastfeeding isn't easy whether you work or stay home but it's the right choice. 98% of the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed aren't very good excuses.
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
Woah. Way to attack people there. Women who don't breastfeed are lazy? 98% of the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed "aren't very good." Those are some pretty strong and unsubstantiated facts right there.
Mommy shaming bullshit.
Believe it or not, there are TONS of women who choose not to breastfeed because they say it's too much work or they feel awkward doing it. Umm yes, those are are pretty poor and lazy excuses. I am not referring to women who don't have a good supply or can't breastfeed because of work. I am specifically referring to women who just "don't feel like" breastfeeding.
Did you know that less than 20% of women breastfeed after 3 months and less than 40% do before 3 months? Do you really think 60% of women have a legitimate excuse not to breastfeed? I guess before formula was invented all infants just starved to death. You are no more informed if you actually think most women aren't breastfeeding because of reasons outside of their control.
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Your inflexibility and unwillingness to accept that when it comes to feeding their baby every mother does her best is not going to serve you well.
BF is extremely challenging for some women. Who are you to say if they've given it enough effort and for long enough?
My DS has allergies and reflux and was moved to a hypoallergenic formula that was a Godsend after we struggled with BF for 5 long, excruciating weeks. I never felt like BF was a good bonding experience; DS and I were uncomfortable, tense, and miserable all day every day.
You should take a step back and consider how challenging it is to make the decision to introduce formula when you had planned on BF all along. If BF doesn't work out for you and you haven't softened up on this issue you won't cope well with having to make that adjustment.
R.e. "Not producing enough" with regards to breastfeeding (I am not quoting here because I'm speaking generally to the subject as it was brought up multiple times). I think there is a difference between a perceived under supply/no supply versus a physical one. It's rare that a woman cannot produce enough if she is breast feeding right.
What tends to happen is that some are misinformed with how breastfeeding works. It's a supply and demand system. If we remove the supply at any time (even if it's just skipping one feed so that someone else can give a bottle) then you affect your supply. If you don't express your breasts (manually or via a pump) for every bottle your infant gets, then you adversely affect your supply. All it takes is just one time skipping the pump while the baby gets a bottle for you to lose it.
This all ties into proper breastfeeding education and breast feeding supposed post partum. It's a very large commitment to breast feeding and If there isnt enough support in place to help you and baby maintain breastfeeding, then "failure" can happen.
I agree with your statement to a degree. My mom just had a series of bad luck when it came to the first 3 of us kids. She kept clogging, getting mastitis, infections, she under produced from day 1 and the doctor made her stop for her health and our health. She kept trying though and had very little problems on #4, finally. She kept trying because she really wanted to BF all of us but it did not happen.
I have known many ladies that production has been an issue for. Even with stimulation and pumping stimulation it just didn't work for them. They went to FF because they would rather their child eat than starve with 1/3 of the supply they should be getting.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed. Breastfeeding isn't easy whether you work or stay home but it's the right choice. 98% of the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed aren't very good excuses.
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
What the actual fuck? It's an UO thread, not an excuse to be an asshole thread. I'm so angry I'm actually shaking. And having a hard time typing this.
I FF my DD. It's not a fucking poor choice. It was my only fucking choice. I tried EVERYTHING FOR FUCKING MONTHS to get my breast feeding to work. Ever hear if a supplementor from medela? I had to tape, yes tape (which for your ever loving wisdom, rips a fucking layer of skin off every single time) tubes to my breast every single time I breast fed so my DD could get formula and breast milk as I didn't have enough. She was expelling too much energy and not gaining weight. So I had no choice. So poor choice? Yes, keeping my baby alive was a poor choice, wasn't it?
The kicker? After months and months of trying everything, I find out I didnt actually have enough breast tissue to breast feed. Want to know why?!? Because I almost died TWICE while pregnant with DD. And guess what! Your body would rather keep you alive than fucking produce breast tissue and breast milk.
Breast isn't always best. Especially when your own sanity is at risk. Breastfeeding doesn't just come naturally to everyone. Your comment is very ignorant, go educate yourself better because obviously you are only looking at webpage that support your opinion.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed. Breastfeeding isn't easy whether you work or stay home but it's the right choice. 98% of the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed aren't very good excuses.
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
Um what? So we should punish the baby and not give him/her any food because the mom can't/won't breastfeed? WTF is wrong with you?
I don't think 98% of the people that don't breastfeed have a crappy reason for it. That seems pretty high. I know this only accounts for 10%ish of people, but if you have infertility issues you are more likely to have a lower milk supply (PCOS especially). What if breastfeeding is too stressful for the mom (which equals a stressed out baby)? Yes - we all know breast is best, but there are times where it just doesn't work out.
Sounds like you've been pretty fortunate in life, not everyone is so lucky.
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Seriously. I just can't deal with the fucking mommy judgements. Aren't we all in this shit together? Don't judge my choices and I won't judge yours*.
*I won't judge your choices as long as you aren't putting your or my child in danger. If you're going to birth at home unassisted, I'm judging the shit out of you.
A friend told me yesterday that her parents (back in the 80's) were poor and couldn't afford formula and her mom couldn't BF. So she had whole milk starting the day she came home from the hospital.
Just throwing this out there. I had breast reduction surgery before DD was born. Won't go into details but it was something I needed to do. I was told I probably would not be able to bf. I tried and exclusively did for 2 weeks after she born, loved it, but her weight was dropping and I was told to supplement with formula. I could not pump or feed her more than an ounce, and after sucking down a 4 ounce bottle that's not ok for a hungry baby.
I was working a minimum wage job at the time and thank god was able to receive WIC.
She is also very intelligent and hardly ever gets sick. Crazy, I know.
I highly doubt you or your child is any better for breastfeeding. This time around, I will still bf however much I can. No WIC though, and that damn formula isn't cheap.
If you ask, I will tell you it was too hard to breastfeed my first.
It was TOO HARD.
Was I lazy? No.
Two days after I got out of the hospital, I was projectile vomiting and went to the ER. I forgot my pump at home. The ER staff wouldn't let me borrow one. I was there for 12 hours.
I still tried. I did everything I could for the next two weeks. My son was attached to my breast nearly 24/7. I was getting zero sleep. I had the baby blues bad because I wasn't allowed to breastfeed anywhere outside of my bedroom, so I felt like a prisoner (I lives with my parents, my brother and dad and uncle didn't need to see my boobs according to my mom). On top of that, when I started crying because my son stopped latching, my now ex told me it was a good thing because breastfeeding is disgusting. So that's what I had to deal with. After trying everything for another week to get him to latch again while pumping constantly to keep up with his demand, I decided crying over feeding him and constantly being stressed because I couldn't pump enough to keep him fed wasn't worth it.
But usually I don't tell that story. I just say it was too hard and /story.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer
formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay
for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed. Breastfeeding isn't
easy whether you work or stay home but it's the right choice. 98% of
the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed aren't very good excuses.
On
the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on
TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because
they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast
feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for
their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most
informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best
decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some
reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for
my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
Woah. Way
to attack people there. Women who don't breastfeed are lazy? 98% of the
excuses mothers make to not breastfeed "aren't very good." Those are
some pretty strong and unsubstantiated facts right there.
Mommy shaming bullshit.
Believe it or not, there are TONS of women who choose not to breastfeed because they say it's too much work or they feel awkward doing it. Umm yes, those are are pretty poor and lazy excuses. I am not referring to women who don't have a good supply or can't breastfeed because of work. I am specifically referring to women who just "don't feel like" breastfeeding.
Did you know that less than 20% of women breastfeed after 3 months and less than 40% do before 3 months? Do you really think 60% of women have a legitimate excuse not to breastfeed? I guess before formula was invented all infants just starved to death. You are no more informed if you actually think most women aren't breastfeeding because of reasons outside of their control.
You are an asshole. Wtf? And yea, I just called you a name because you deserved it. I FF both my boys and your opinion on BF is whack. I'm not even getting in to why I did because your not worth me typing it out, but I'm going to assume your calling me lazy and that's far from what the fuck I am. How dare you? I mean really, who do you think you are?
WAIT GUYS! I figured it out! Alicia Silverstone is on our BMB. Seriously, STFU.
Shit got real in UO Thursday today. I said I hate little dogs and no one flinched, but mention BF vs FF and watch out!!
::stands back and grabs popcorn::
Return to the previous conversation.
Wow this UO got pretty lively! It's really unfortunate to me that people judge other mom's decisions, especially when the alternative to their decision is letting their baby starve to death. Word to the wise: formula is not poison. Yes breast is better but it's not like people are pouring cyanide down their kids' throats. My mom fed me formula from day 1 and I'm purty smrt and can spel real good. (you wouldn't believe how many times I had to un-spell check that sentence)
I'm really pissed off right now.....how dare someone attack one of our loss moms? @marissa61681 you can STFU and your an asshole too. And yea, I'm calling names and I don't care. And it's unrelated to this UO but I need to put it out there.
Shit got real in UO Thursday today. I said I hate little dogs and no one flinched, but mention BF vs FF and watch out!!
::stands back and grabs popcorn::
Return to the previous conversation.
I don't think that it was that BF vs FF was mentioned. It's that someone as an asshole about it.
I completely agree that WIC should not offer formula without a doctors note. It's not fair that taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice to be lazy and not breastfeed. Breastfeeding isn't easy whether you work or stay home but it's the right choice. 98% of the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed aren't very good excuses.
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
Woah. Way to attack people there. Women who don't breastfeed are lazy? 98% of the excuses mothers make to not breastfeed "aren't very good." Those are some pretty strong and unsubstantiated facts right there.
Mommy shaming bullshit.
Agreed! This is bullshit! Not that we will be on WIC, but I still feel like people will judge me for not breastfeeding and that really sucks. I for one really hope I can breastfeed, but unfortunately I had to have several lumps removed from my breasts before I got pregnant. They told me that due to where some of the incisions are and some of the stuff they cut out that I may not be able to. So in order for me to be healthy I had to chance not being able to breastfeed!
We cloth diaper. Its not hard and we have no problem with daycare. We use biodegradable liners so when DS poops that gets dumped in the compost at home and the trash at daycare or if we are out.
I am a STM but I think its really unfair to say a FTM can't have an opinion just because they don't have experience yet. I have plenty of opinions on things I have no experience with. I think there is a huge difference in having an opinion and being a judgy asshat who doesn't listen openly to others opinions. I can respect your opinion without agreeing. This world would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed on everything.
My UO stems from the mommy group I am a part of on FB. So maybe it doesn't apply here and I really hope it doesn't. I am beginning to think their are alot of women out there that really sell themselves short. If my husband did half the stuff these woman in my mommy groups husbands do he would be out the door in two seconds flat. I get everyone has bad moments and does douchy things from time to time but when you vent about your husband being an asshat every other day you need to stop venting on the internet and do something about it.
We cloth diaper. Its not hard and we have no problem with daycare. We use biodegradable liners so when DS poops that gets dumped in the compost at home and the trash at daycare or if we are out.
I really hope that is not compost you use on a garden that grows anything you consume. Feces in compost is not recommended.
We cd and our old daycare would just put it in the wetbag as is and I cleaned then out when we got home. Changing childcare this time around, so hopefully I can get the new place to do the same.
We cloth diaper. Its not hard and we have no problem with daycare. We use biodegradable liners so when DS poops that gets dumped in the compost at home and the trash at daycare or if we are out.
I really hope that is not compost you use on a garden that grows anything you consume. Feces in compost is not recommended.
We cd and our old daycare would just put it in the wetbag as is and I cleaned then out when we got home. Changing childcare this time around, so hopefully I can get the new place to do the same.
No we don't use it to grow any food. My parents use it for grass fertilizer. They have like 10 acres of land which is about half yard half woods.. We don't even have a yard right now. We just have the compost to help my parents out.
Shit got real in UO Thursday today. I said I hate little dogs and no one flinched, but mention BF vs FF and watch out!!
::stands back and grabs popcorn::
Return to the previous conversation.
Meh, as someone who has owned a lot of different breeds of dogs in varying sizes in my lifetime (toy poodle, papillon, cocker spaniel, springer spaniel, lab, english setter, german shorthair pointer, german shepherd, sheltie, collie, dachshund, mutt, and I'm probably forgetting a few), I honestly roll my eyes and typically ignore it when people say they don't like dogs based on size, to me that just says they haven't worked with many dogs and/or have only been around untrained small dogs. Temperament/personality traits are based on breed, not size. There are small dogs that act like "big dogs", and big dogs that act like "small dogs". There are breeds in all sizes I wouldn't mind owning in the future, and breeds in all sizes I have zero desire to ever own.
I hate when people do pregnancy announcements on holidays or big celebrated days on Facebook.
I think it comes from being a loss momma, holidays and special days are awful. There's enough sadness/envy to deal with day to day but these days are x1million worse. Add in all the announcements = full on ugly cry and huge meltdowns.
That being said, I don't judge people for doing it, I just wish people weren't so cliche by doing these things.
BFP#4 3/17/14 - rainbowBaby BOY arrived 11/10/14 !!
I had every intention of bf my daughter. She was born with a cleft pallet and ended up having a feeding tube put in place. I still pumped for 4 months and I would feel so guilty and stress myself out sooo bad waking up multiple times during the night symultaniously pumping and balling my eyes out until my husband put his foot down and said we were formula feeding. I am educated. I know the benefits of breast feeding. I know people don't mean to be offensive to me when they go off about bf, but it is hard for me not to get offended when someone tells me all these benefits my kid missed out on and then tries to put a bandaid on it by saying "you had a good reason though"
I think that when we talk about programs such as WIC or SNAP we may not realize that we are evaluating them from our own position of privilege. Please keep in mind that when we talk about WIC participants we are talking about women that may
be homeless or rely on shelters
live in crowded conditions
have no examples of breastfeeding in their community
have caregivers unwilling to handle breast milk
are food insecure and/or live in food deserts
take extended trips on public transportation to get to work or to the doctor or to the WIC office
work low wage jobs that discourage taking breaks even though it is legally required
be under so much financial strain that she has issues of depression or anxiety
I would never want to put another barrier, such as getting a doctor's note, in front of a woman struggling to feed herself and her family.
Re: UO Thursday!
On the same note, my unpopular opinion is of pregnant women (especially on TB) who demand extra respect for their choice to formula feed because they are tired of everyone lecturing them on the benefits of breast feeding. Nobody deserves extra respect for making a poor choice for their baby. It's a doctors job to help you make the healthiest and most informed decision so when they find out that you aren't making the best decision, of course they are going to say something.
If for some reason I had to formula feed I would admit it's not the best choice for my child, not demand special treatment because of it.
Sorry for ranting, breastfeeding is a hot subject for me.
**TW Living Child**
BFP 2/2014 - DS - 10/2014
Agreed100%. Btw we vaccinate according to official schedule.
AMEN!!!! Thank you!
I think most people would agree if you are not choosing the best option for your child, it's a poor choice. Everyone judges for one reason or another, mine just happens to be related to formula feeding. Isn't this the thread for unpopular opinions?
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WIC, Im on it and agree with the drs note. Not like the dr wont write one if you just choose to FF. You need a note to get soy milk so why not?
CD, doing it round 2, well half and half. My daycare sucks with it! I used the disposiable liners, told them to just toss them. Never did, just rolled it all up and put it in a pkastic bag in my wet bag. Smh....mind you, I work there. Not in that room though. Im going to let them use disposibles and last diaper change, make it a cd.
Believe it or not, there are TONS of women who choose not to breastfeed because they say it's too much work or they feel awkward doing it. Umm yes, those are are pretty poor and lazy excuses. I am not referring to women who don't have a good supply or can't breastfeed because of work. I am specifically referring to women who just "don't feel like" breastfeeding.
Did you know that less than 20% of women breastfeed after 3 months and less than 40% do before 3 months? Do you really think 60% of women have a legitimate excuse not to breastfeed? I guess before formula was invented all infants just starved to death. You are no more informed if you actually think most women aren't breastfeeding because of reasons outside of their control.
Wow Judegey McJudgerson.
With my first, I was able to breastfeed just fine. And then I went back to work and had to pump Guess what? I didn't respond to the pump well, no matter what I tried - supplements, different pumps, hand expressing, you name it, I tried it, and drove myself absolutely crazy in the process. And eventually, there came a day where I couldn't pump enough to feed my child, and I'd run out of what little I'd frozen before I went back to work. So I had to make the "poor choice" of giving him formula or underfeeding him.
I'm not saying I deserve accolades for giving my kid formula, and I don't deny that breastfeeding is the better option, but to call it a "poor choice"? As if I had a damn choice? That's bullshit.
I sure hope you don't have any problems breastfeeding.
I am going to try breastfeeding but from what I've read it can be very tough for type 1 diabetics to do. Blood sugars get wonky and it's hard on mom. I refuse to further stress myself or my kid out by forcing something that makes us unhappy. I guess I'd be lazy in your eyes.
I'm sorry but this is bs. UO is one thing but this is not just stating an opinion.
Breastfeeding isn't an option for some for tons of reasons. I will attempt to BF because I want to but if it doesn't work, then I'm not going to beat myself up about it.
I am 1 of 4 kids and 3 of us were straight formula because my mom didn't produce. She finally produced with my brother and BFd for over a year. He barely finished high school, has ADD/ADHD and my sister who was only FF is getting her 2nd PHD .
Maybe you should keep your "facts" to yourself because this world is not 1 size fits all. There are always exceptions which keep fact from being fact.
Me 32 and DH 40
Fur-baby named Bella
1 MC Nov. 2013
DD born Nov. 2, 2014
Little 2 EDD Oct. 1
Yeah I did this until my son's massive dumps started clogging my toilet.
Logan born October 31, 2011
to attack people there. Women who don't breastfeed are lazy? 98% of the
excuses mothers make to not breastfeed "aren't very good." Those are
some pretty strong and unsubstantiated facts right there.
Believe it or not, there are TONS of women who choose not to breastfeed because they say it's too much work or they feel awkward doing it. Umm yes, those are are pretty poor and lazy excuses. I am not referring to women who don't have a good supply or can't breastfeed because of work. I am specifically referring to women who just "don't feel like" breastfeeding.
Did you know that less than 20% of women breastfeed after 3 months and less than 40% do before 3 months? Do you really think 60% of women have a legitimate excuse not to breastfeed? I guess before formula was invented all infants just starved to death. You are no more informed if you actually think most women aren't breastfeeding because of reasons outside of their control.
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Your inflexibility and unwillingness to accept that when it comes to feeding their baby every mother does her best is not going to serve you well.
BF is extremely challenging for some women. Who are you to say if they've given it enough effort and for long enough?
My DS has allergies and reflux and was moved to a hypoallergenic formula that was a Godsend after we struggled with BF for 5 long, excruciating weeks. I never felt like BF was a good bonding experience; DS and I were uncomfortable, tense, and miserable all day every day.
You should take a step back and consider how challenging it is to make the decision to introduce formula when you had planned on BF all along. If BF doesn't work out for you and you haven't softened up on this issue you won't cope well with having to make that adjustment.
I agree with your statement to a degree. My mom just had a series of bad luck when it came to the first 3 of us kids. She kept clogging, getting mastitis, infections, she under produced from day 1 and the doctor made her stop for her health and our health. She kept trying though and had very little problems on #4, finally. She kept trying because she really wanted to BF all of us but it did not happen.
I have known many ladies that production has been an issue for. Even with stimulation and pumping stimulation it just didn't work for them. They went to FF because they would rather their child eat than starve with 1/3 of the supply they should be getting.
Me 32 and DH 40
Fur-baby named Bella
1 MC Nov. 2013
DD born Nov. 2, 2014
Little 2 EDD Oct. 1
I FF my DD. It's not a fucking poor choice. It was my only fucking choice. I tried EVERYTHING FOR FUCKING MONTHS to get my breast feeding to work. Ever hear if a supplementor from medela? I had to tape, yes tape (which for your ever loving wisdom, rips a fucking layer of skin off every single time) tubes to my breast every single time I breast fed so my DD could get formula and breast milk as I didn't have enough. She was expelling too much energy and not gaining weight. So I had no choice. So poor choice? Yes, keeping my baby alive was a poor choice, wasn't it?
The kicker? After months and months of trying everything, I find out I didnt actually have enough breast tissue to breast feed. Want to know why?!? Because I almost died TWICE while pregnant with DD. And guess what! Your body would rather keep you alive than fucking produce breast tissue and breast milk.
Breast isn't always best. Especially when your own sanity is at risk. Breastfeeding doesn't just come naturally to everyone. Your comment is very ignorant, go educate yourself better because obviously you are only looking at webpage that support your opinion.
Dx: PCOS
DS1 born 11/2014
DS2 born 11/2018
3 previous losses
Rainbow baby due 12/2021 - Team Green
*I won't judge your choices as long as you aren't putting your or my child in danger. If you're going to birth at home unassisted, I'm judging the shit out of you.
Me 32 and DH 40
Fur-baby named Bella
1 MC Nov. 2013
DD born Nov. 2, 2014
Little 2 EDD Oct. 1
I was told I probably would not be able to bf. I tried and exclusively did for 2 weeks after she born, loved it, but her weight was dropping and I was told to supplement with formula. I could not pump or feed her more than an ounce, and after sucking down a 4 ounce bottle that's not ok for a hungry baby.
I was working a minimum wage job at the time and thank god was able to receive WIC.
She is also very intelligent and hardly ever gets sick. Crazy, I know.
I highly doubt you or your child is any better for breastfeeding. This time around, I will still bf however much I can. No WIC though, and that damn formula isn't cheap.
If you ask, I will tell you it was too hard to breastfeed my first.
It was TOO HARD.
Was I lazy? No.
Two days after I got out of the hospital, I was projectile vomiting and went to the ER. I forgot my pump at home. The ER staff wouldn't let me borrow one. I was there for 12 hours.
I still tried. I did everything I could for the next two weeks. My son was attached to my breast nearly 24/7. I was getting zero sleep. I had the baby blues bad because I wasn't allowed to breastfeed anywhere outside of my bedroom, so I felt like a prisoner (I lives with my parents, my brother and dad and uncle didn't need to see my boobs according to my mom). On top of that, when I started crying because my son stopped latching, my now ex told me it was a good thing because breastfeeding is disgusting. So that's what I had to deal with. After trying everything for another week to get him to latch again while pumping constantly to keep up with his demand, I decided crying over feeding him and constantly being stressed because I couldn't pump enough to keep him fed wasn't worth it.
But usually I don't tell that story. I just say it was too hard and /story.
Logan born October 31, 2011
You are an asshole. Wtf? And yea, I just called you a name because you deserved it. I FF both my boys and your opinion on BF is whack. I'm not even getting in to why I did because your not worth me typing it out, but I'm going to assume your calling me lazy and that's far from what the fuck I am. How dare you? I mean really, who do you think you are? WAIT GUYS! I figured it out! Alicia Silverstone is on our BMB. Seriously, STFU.
I don't think that it was that BF vs FF was mentioned. It's that someone as an asshole about it.
Agreed! This is bullshit! Not that we will be on WIC, but I still feel like people will judge me for not breastfeeding and that really sucks. I for one really hope I can breastfeed, but unfortunately I had to have several lumps removed from my breasts before I got pregnant. They told me that due to where some of the incisions are and some of the stuff they cut out that I may not be able to. So in order for me to be healthy I had to chance not being able to breastfeed!
We cloth diaper. Its not hard and we have no problem with daycare. We use biodegradable liners so when DS poops that gets dumped in the compost at home and the trash at daycare or if we are out.
I am a STM but I think its really unfair to say a FTM can't have an opinion just because they don't have experience yet. I have plenty of opinions on things I have no experience with. I think there is a huge difference in having an opinion and being a judgy asshat who doesn't listen openly to others opinions. I can respect your opinion without agreeing. This world would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed on everything.
My UO stems from the mommy group I am a part of on FB. So maybe it doesn't apply here and I really hope it doesn't. I am beginning to think their are alot of women out there that really sell themselves short. If my husband did half the stuff these woman in my mommy groups husbands do he would be out the door in two seconds flat. I get everyone has bad moments and does douchy things from time to time but when you vent about your husband being an asshat every other day you need to stop venting on the internet and do something about it.
We cd and our old daycare would just put it in the wetbag as is and I cleaned then out when we got home. Changing childcare this time around, so hopefully I can get the new place to do the same.
I think it comes from being a loss momma, holidays and special days are awful. There's enough sadness/envy to deal with day to day but these days are x1million worse. Add in all the announcements = full on ugly cry and huge meltdowns.
That being said, I don't judge people for doing it, I just wish people weren't so cliche by doing these things.
BFP#4 3/17/14 - rainbow Baby BOY arrived 11/10/14 !!
DX: Uterine Septum - Resection 9/5/13 || MTHFR Hetero A1298C || My Chart
I would never want to put another barrier, such as getting a doctor's note, in front of a woman struggling to feed herself and her family.