This may get me flamed but look... It's almost 3 am, and I literally woke up from a crappy cold infested sleep with this uo in my head...
Marriage is the only relationship where we make a legally binding commitment, before God, to another person. While I definitely agree that there are valid reasons for divorce, I also believe that in some situations (like mine) it takes a stronger person to stay in the marriage and work things out, than it does to leave. When you get married you make vows... Mine said "for better or for worse".
I agree to a certain extent, but if one person is cheating, I find it completely acceptable for the other person to seek a divorce. It's not just an issue of trust at that point; it's endangering that person's health too (STDs, etc.)
ETA: Oh, and how did I forget this. Physical abuse is unacceptable. That equals automatic divorce for me too.
ET also add: Emotional abuse is a no go too. I guess basically what I meant by saying I agree to a certain extent is that I think it's bullshit when someone is like, "I need to find myself" or wants to get out of a marriage because they feel trapped or because times get a little tough after having a baby. Get some counseling, reassess, and then go through with it if it still makes sense down the road. But if there's cheating, emotional, or physical abuse, proceed to the nearest exit.
@PinkPuffyHeart2 I agree with you completely!! And think that the divorce rate in our nation is just one more sign of how desperately all people need Christ in their lives.
My UO: I think that if possible (I know it's not in all cases) Moms should stay home with their children. Now before you all flame me, like I said...I know in some cases Moms have to work to help provide for their families. I see NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, however I believe that Moms should be the ones raising their own children, not day cares.
There is so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to start. I personally would love to stay home with my son, but it's not feasible without a lot of sacrifices. However, I would never judge someone else who would want to work if they want, even if they could afford to live on one income. It's their choice, not yours or mine. Secondly, just because I work does not mean daycare is "raising my child" as you put it. They are supervising his naps, play times, and feeding times like I would at home. My husband and I are the ones making the decisions as to how he is raised. We are the ones already trying to expose him to as many cultural experiences as possible from a young age. We are the ones comforting him when he is sick, making his homemade baby food, providing for him emotionally and financially. Finally, what you said is extremely sexist. Why should the mom automatically be the one who stays home? Why not the dad?
And @PPH2 I think it's far more damaging for a child to have parents in an unhappy, unhealthy relationship than have parents who get divorced. As JAN said, you are the example for your daughter. Be strong for the both of you.
I'm thankful to be able to choose to stay home with our daughter. But that doesn't make my choice right for everyone. My mother flat out told us she was a better mother when she was able to get out of the house and work. That wasn't what was best for our family so I stayed home. No one should be shamed for their choices.
UO: I hate the comments from last weeks UO about SAHM's not having a boss to answer or anywhere to be when they are sleep deprived. It felt patronizing to me. Sleep deprived is sleep deprived. It sucks both ways- but mine isn't less annoying because I don't have a job. I still have to get up and go about my day taking care of a tiny human, a house, going to appointments etc. After a few rough nights- I feel sleep deprived to the point where I almost feel unsafe watching my child by myself. And I can't take a nap when she does all the time- I have stuff to do when she's sleeping.
But are you risking getting fired or looking bad in front of your boss because of it? Being sleep deprived sucks either way, but there's more at stake when you work.
I work, but I think sleep deprivation is just as important for SAHM. If they screw up badly due to it, it's not just their jobs at stake; it could be their child's safety or life.
I am not really liking Juan Pablo, I feel as if he is a bit of a skank. He seems to be a little full of himself. I hope he grows on me because I can't stop watching....
As a SAHM im going to weigh in.
Sometimes i feel that J would benefit MORE from daycare. I read a lot of posts on here that make me question whether or not me being home with him every day is the best for him (or myself).
I feel that he'd probably benefit from interacting with other babies and that id benefit mentally by going to work even if its just for a few days a week.
I think I will stop doubting my decision to stay home once we start doing some mommy & me stuff.
Its very hard for me to adjust to not making my own money. I hate feeling bad if i want to buy something.
My hubby tells me that im nuts and just buy what i want/need but im just not built that way. Its a very hard adjustment. I never thought that id doubt my decision to be a sahm but sometimes i do. Im sure that i will work (at least part time) again eventually.
Hope that made sense im half asleep nursing J. Cant wait to see where this thread goes. 10? 15? 20? Pages??
Bat signals going up!?
I did not care for "Froze" at all. The only things I liked was the song "Let it Go" and Kristoph and his moose elk thingy...they were funny. Other than that I hated it.
It really upsets me when people say faith and God can fix everything and especially save marriages. Unfortunately, there are more things at work in this world than good and God.
This may get me flamed but look... It's almost 3 am, and I literally woke up from a crappy cold infested sleep with this uo in my head...
Marriage is the only relationship where we make a legally binding commitment, before God, to another person. While I definitely agree that there are valid reasons for divorce, I also believe that in some situations (like mine) it takes a stronger person to stay in the marriage and work things out, than it does to leave. When you get married you make vows... Mine said "for better or for worse".
Well pin a rose on your god damn nose. I guess I'm not strong huh. I suggest you grow a pair and be a better example for your daughter. No one gets married to get divorced but at some point you have to ask yourself when is enough enough. No one is in my situation but all you do is complain and play the victim. Stick up for yourself or else stop complaining. Like I said yesterday people treat you how you want to be treated. I wouldn't advocate divorce because it fucking sucks. It is the worse thing I've had to do and IMO it takes a stronger person to leave because I owe myself more and my beautiful girls. And yes it takes a strong person to stay and work through it. The key word here is strong. I don't get any of that from you. I see a weak woman. I call a spade a spade. But I know tons of women who wished the only problem with their husband was oh he is going to go away and leave us and I'm sick. SERIOUSLY. What about women who are single mothers and take care of themselves and a family sick or not? Women who have spouses deployed or who are widows? They do it alone. To me those are the strongest women. It is hard but at least you have a husband who will come home to you. You make me sick. I'm not at your household but if it isn't that bad and you said vows before god then stop complaining and see if God can help you through it. I would also pray he finds a pair of cujones for you to grow.
It's fine that you feel that way. I wasn't suggesting that you are not strong. I was using my own personal experience in my own marriage. And I get that I have been complaining a lot and sounding whiney. You don't have to agree that I am strong, I know who I am and don't need you to tell me.
PPH... I'm sorry I'm not sorry, but with all the complaining you have been doing about your marriage as of late, I think it's a little holier than thou to come on here and start talking about how it's unpopular to fight FOR your marriage. I doubt growing up in an unhappy household is what God wants for any child. I think that parents need to stick together and have a good relationship for their child, but that doesn't always mean as husband and wife.
I can understand that. I'm not trying to be holier than though, just was thinking how right now the relationship sucks but that doesn't mean it's worth throwing in the trash. It just means we have hit that "worse" part. I never said I was staying with him for our child. I'm staying with him for him... Because despite a rough patch, I know we can work it out and will be better in the end.
This may get me flamed but look... It's almost 3 am, and I literally woke up from a crappy cold infested sleep with this uo in my head...
Marriage is the only relationship where we make a legally binding commitment, before God, to another person. While I definitely agree that there are valid reasons for divorce, I also believe that in some situations (like mine) it takes a stronger person to stay in the marriage and work things out, than it does to leave. When you get married you make vows... Mine said "for better or for worse".
I agree to a certain extent, but if one person is cheating, I find it completely acceptable for the other person to seek a divorce. It's not just an issue of trust at that point; it's endangering that person's health too (STDs, etc.)
ETA: Oh, and how did I forget this. Physical abuse is unacceptable. That equals automatic divorce for me too.
ET also add: Emotional abuse is a no go too. I guess basically what I meant by saying I agree to a certain extent is that I think it's bullshit when someone is like, "I need to find myself" or wants to get out of a marriage because they feel trapped or because times get a little tough after having a baby. Get some counseling, reassess, and then go through with it if it still makes sense down the road. But if there's cheating, emotional, or physical abuse, proceed to the nearest exit.
This may get me flamed but look... It's almost 3 am, and I literally woke up from a crappy cold infested sleep with this uo in my head...
Marriage is the only relationship where we make a legally binding commitment, before God, to another person. While I definitely agree that there are valid reasons for divorce, I also believe that in some situations (like mine) it takes a stronger person to stay in the marriage and work things out, than it does to leave. When you get married you make vows... Mine said "for better or for worse".
@pinkpuffyheart2 - then I suggest you contact your religious leader to get some marital counseling for yourself and your husband instead of constantly complaining about it on an internet forum.
You have a good point. And we have sort of done that. Sorry to drag you all into my mess... I won't talk about it anymore.
I'm on an extended maternity leave for another two weeks but not working isn't an option right now. Between this and my "science experiment" baby that's been a teething nightmare, I'm kind of over UO's. Let me know when it's okay to wear yoga pants to the grocery store without judgment. JFC!
And @PPH2 I think it's far more damaging for a child to have parents in an unhappy, unhealthy relationship than have parents who get divorced. As JAN said, you are the example for your daughter. Be strong for the both of you.
I agree, and we are generally happy but obviously not lately. If it is happening all the time it's completely unhealthy for all involved, and the relationship should be reevaluated/counseling sought, etc...
@pinkpuffyheart2 I want this to come out right because I really like you. Please think about this: If you want to talk about a traditional Christ-centered marriage, there is a fundamental problem. I don't see anything in your posts that shows that your husband is living in a Christ-centered marriage. He does not honor and respect you like he said he would in his vows. He is not making your happiness a priority like he should. The marriage can only truly be a marriage if the work is being done on both sides. Staying in a marriage like this (which my mom did because it was the Christian thing to do) only teaches daughters (my mom has 4) to be doormats who may later find themselves in dangerous relationships. Two of my sisters did.
I hope you can take all of the feedback here and do what it truly best for you and your beautiful daughter. PM or FB message me anytime.
Thank you. You have a really good point and I have taken it to heart. I would never stay if I felt like it was unhealthy for my child or for me. I appreciate the inbox offer
Wow...it's not even morning yet here! But, I just wanted to weigh in about the sleep deprivation being harder for working moms. Sleep deprivation is sleep deprivation. Regardless if you're working or SAHM it makes everything harder. Stop comparing
And @phishgirl29 I gave up and wear yoga pants to the store...I'm comfy and i could care less what others think! They should try dressing themselves with a screaming baby attached. I draw the line at pajama pants though
I am a Christian, I've been divorced. Yes, I know what the bible says about divorce, but more importantly than what I believe about the bible, I believe in a forgiving God. I was in an emotionally abusive relationship, I was belittled and talked down to on a daily basis. I was made to feel less than, even as I was supporting him through law school. He lied to me about his fertility and allowed me to think for two years that I was the reason we couldn't have children (yes, I so desperately wanted to have a child to fix our marriage). I stayed because it was what I had been taught was the right thing to do. And then one day, I had a break through and it became so clear to me, God valued me as a person and my health and happiness and would forgive me for breaking my covenant with him. This is more pointed at @pinkpuffyheart than any other woman. I am all for religious freedom and I clearly see the separation of church and state in marriage (I'm pro gay marriage).
Take some of the advice from the women on this board and seek counseling. Because, sharing what you have about your marriage and trying to crusade for Christ is making a mockery of what I believe. There are reasons why people hate Christians...
I'm so sorry for what you went through. I wasn't trying to make this about religion, although yes I believe in God, I have been far ((Insert the universe)) from what I would consider a Christian lately. I fail every day. I agree about the counseling. And I don't believe divorce is wrong in all circumstances- I think you did the right thing and it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks about it being right or wrong.
@pinkpuffyheart2 Have you asked him to go to marriage counseling with you?
No. We did premarital counseling and it brought up a ton of issues (not about our relationship but issues that would affect our relationship, if that makes sense) and talking it out made things worse in my opinion... And we fought real hard our first 3 months of marriage. So to be honest, I am the one who doesn't want it-- but-- I would totally do it... And I can see how we really may need to now.
I don't care if she vents but at what point do you say ok what steps am I taking to better this situation. No one told her to get divorced. I said she needs to be stronger that is all. She went there and said not fighting for your marriage is weak. Of course I take that to heart, how many other ladies are getting divorced with a 7 month old in tow? Me! I never said she should get divorced. I don't advocate that shit. I vented my probs here and once they continued I chose not to share. Because if I keep complaining and stay, I look like an idiot. To each their own but don't cry and whine about shit and then don't like the answers you receive. It is weak. And for the record I'm the strongest fucking person I know. Do you know how hard it is to wake up in the morning and see two girls and know that nothing you can do will make their dad want to stay? Or that when your 11 year old asks why are you crying and you have to put on a brave face so she will feel secure? Or that no matter what you do you can't make someone be something they are not? That is strength. I just can't.
Whoa...I understand it's not possible in all cases, and I'm not judging the Moms who have to provide. Single mothers, primary bread winners ect, perhaps I should have been more specific in my OP. Possibly, if having your DH stay home with the kids was a workable situation for your family yes, that is a better option in my opinion then a daycare.
So you're just judging SOME moms, not ALL moms. Oh ok then, that's totally fine. Idiot.
No one goes into a marriage with hey, I'll just divorce if I get bored. My marriage may not be Christ centric, but we do have faith. We talked long and hard before we got married and to us, divorce will not be an option, but that doesn't mean it isn't better for others. Heck, I cheered when my parents announced their divorce (long story).
And also EFF YOU for putting fuel to mommy wars. Some moms work, some stay home, some balance between both. It's all WORK and it's HARD for all of us some days. And you can bet that working moms have INSANE guilt at times for not being with their kids. If you are lucky enough to be able to stay home, don't attack those of us who don't or can't.
And @sweetbabypea you know I PPH you, but I don't think anyone said it isn't hard as heck staying home on no sleep etc, but there is a whole level of fear of losing that income and living in a cardboard box that can really make no sleep hard on a working mom, the same way no sleep I might hurt my baby when I fall asleep walking up the stairs is for a SAHM. Ya know?
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@pinkpuffyheart2 Have you asked him to go to marriage counseling with you?
No. We did premarital counseling and it brought up a ton of issues (not about our relationship but issues that would affect our relationship, if that makes sense) and talking it out made things worse in my opinion... And we fought real hard our first 3 months of marriage. So to be honest, I am the one who doesn't want it-- but-- I would totally do it... And I can see how we really may need to now.
If talking out your issues made it worse you have more problems than you understand. Seriously. If you can't communicate about issues how do you plan to resolve them?
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WTF is wrong with wearing yoga pants to the store?!
And holy hell to the daycare raising your kids.... That is SUCH ignorance. J may spend more waking hours with our DCP during the week but he sure as heck still knows who mom and dad are and gets happy when we walk through the door.
I don't care if she vents but at what point do you say ok what steps am I taking to better this situation. No one told her to get divorced. I said she needs to be stronger that is all. She went there and said not fighting for your marriage is weak. Of course I take that to heart, how many other ladies are getting divorced with a 7 month old in tow? Me! I never said she should get divorced. I don't advocate that shit. I vented my probs here and once they continued I chose not to share. Because if I keep complaining and stay, I look like an idiot. To each their own but don't cry and whine about shit and then don't like the answers you receive. It is weak. And for the record I'm the strongest fucking person I know. Do you know how hard it is to wake up in the morning and see two girls and know that nothing you can do will make their dad want to stay? Or that when your 11 year old asks why are you crying and you have to put on a brave face so she will feel secure? Or that no matter what you do you can't make someone be something they are not? That is strength. I just can't.
Again, I wasn't trying to pinpoint you in your situation because for one thing, I don't know much about it other than what you shared here and I was on your side... But I do disagree with the idea that it is always stronger to leave. It's not always stronger to leave. Sometimes it is stronger to stay. That's all I'm saying- and again to be clear this has nothing to do with your divorce. I am speaking from the viewpoint of my own marriage.
You know how you said that you haven't told any of your friends outside of the bump about your divorce? It's the same for me with my complaints. I don't tell my friends or family because I don't want them to worry but sometimes you need to vent. And I consider most of the people on this board "friends" and intelligent people who can not only commiserate but can offer good outside insight. But I also understand that no one really truly gives a crap... And I'm fine with that.
I truly am sorry for hurting your feelings or making it seem like I was calling you weak. I know you are strong. I also know I am strong.
Re: UO
yes, with strawberry. That was the only kind the grocery store sold. Maybe they were old, do these things expire? I should check the date.
yes, with strawberry. That was the only kind the grocery store sold. Maybe they were old, do these things expire? I should check the date.
Nope. They are just nasty.
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all of this.
BUT I also think this is something people say when they are searching for answers and the right way to do things. You might be on to something here!
Are you upset DH and I are getting divorced?
No. Why'd you ask that?
Just curious.
I'm happy because you won't be sad anymore. And Harper and I can still see him. So you get to be happy and we get to be happy.
SHE IS 11 folks. It doesn't take a rocket scientist (although she isn't far from it
I completely agree!
You have a good point. And we have sort of done that. Sorry to drag you all into my mess... I won't talk about it anymore.
And @phishgirl29 I gave up and wear yoga pants to the store...I'm comfy and i could care less what others think! They should try dressing themselves with a screaming baby attached. I draw the line at pajama pants though
I agree about the counseling. And I don't believe divorce is wrong in all circumstances- I think you did the right thing and it really doesn't matter what anyone thinks about it being right or wrong.
Do you know how hard it is to wake up in the morning and see two girls and know that nothing you can do will make their dad want to stay?
Or that when your 11 year old asks why are you crying and you have to put on a brave face so she will feel secure? Or that no matter what you do you can't make someone be something they are not?
That is strength. I just can't.
No one goes into a marriage with hey, I'll just divorce if I get bored. My marriage may not be Christ centric, but we do have faith. We talked long and hard before we got married and to us, divorce will not be an option, but that doesn't mean it isn't better for others. Heck, I cheered when my parents announced their divorce (long story).
And also EFF YOU for putting fuel to mommy wars. Some moms work, some stay home, some balance between both. It's all WORK and it's HARD for all of us some days. And you can bet that working moms have INSANE guilt at times for not being with their kids. If you are lucky enough to be able to stay home, don't attack those of us who don't or can't.
And @sweetbabypea you know I PPH you, but I don't think anyone said it isn't hard as heck staying home on no sleep etc, but there is a whole level of fear of losing that income and living in a cardboard box that can really make no sleep hard on a working mom, the same way no sleep I might hurt my baby when I fall asleep walking up the stairs is for a SAHM. Ya know?
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@jancandance I love you.
I'm the breadwinner, but in a pretty decent marriage. Does that mean my baby will be only half messed up?
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And holy hell to the daycare raising your kids.... That is SUCH ignorance. J may spend more waking hours with our DCP during the week but he sure as heck still knows who mom and dad are and gets happy when we walk through the door.
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You know how you said that you haven't told any of your friends outside of the bump about your divorce? It's the same for me with my complaints. I don't tell my friends or family because I don't want them to worry but sometimes you need to vent. And I consider most of the people on this board "friends" and intelligent people who can not only commiserate but can offer good outside insight. But I also understand that no one really truly gives a crap... And I'm fine with that.
I truly am sorry for hurting your feelings or making it seem like I was calling you weak. I know you are strong. I also know I am strong.