Ok I'll start...I know this is a sore spot for many people on here and I'm sorry. BUT...I loved high school! I graduated in 1997. Best years of my life up until I met husband. College and grad school paled in comparison to the fun and awesome memories I have of high school.
I loved HS too. Definitely better than college or grad school.
In honor of the holiday, I think that multiple scheduled trick-or-treating nights are dumb. You trick-or-treat on Halloween. Yup, I was one of those houses who didn't turn on their porch light last night. Come back tonight.
Multiple nights? Never had that anywhere we live. Wish we did since it is suppose to rain all.day.long. I don't blame you for not turning your lights on though.
I just thought about it for a few minutes and decided that classifying cheerleading as an activity rather than a sport strikes me as sexist. I feel like if it was a bunch of men dancing and tumbling and stunting no one would question its status as a sport. I mean, we consider shooting guns a sport and that's not anything physically demanding. (I'm making the argument that society as a whole finds shooting to be a sport based on the fact that it is included in the Olympics.)
My husband was totally a cheerleader. He considers it a sport. I've never considered it either way since I didn't cheer.
Apparently I have an UO: I don't mind high schoolers trick or treating. Now, if they are totally rude, one piece and bye bye, but often they are super polite. I would rather see them out and having fun than off vandalizing or at home on the computer. Soon enough they will be in college and either busy studyng or busy partying. Enjoy that piece of childhood while you can.
DH and I have discussed the cheating aspect. We both agree that there is a difference between having an relationship with someone else and having a one night stand that was not planned. We have also agreed that if one of us "slips" up that we would not tell the other because it would do no good.
Now with that said neither DH or I ever really go out and really never with out someone else. We are just home bodies and neither one of us would ever do anything to hurt the other.
Neither of us could justify ending our family over a "mistake."
It's too early for an UO (yeah it is 11 here but I didnt get up till 10 lol)
This may be a UO apparently but I don't see having sex with someone who's not your spouse as a "mistake". Grabbing somebody else's luggage at the airport is a mistake, choosing to fuck someone else isn't.
Unless DH is too intoxicated to consent to sex (in which case it would be rape not cheating) there's no excuses IMO
Completely agree.
In order for the cheating to happen they would have to:
1. Meet and flirt 2. Both make signs willing to progress further 3. Go somewhere to DTD 4. Take clothes of 5. Insert peen
To complete all that is a mission, not a mistake.
If DH cheated on me, I would leave him and make it hurt. I'm bitter that way.
I agree with @lizabethann06 as long as you are in costume.
I agree men should get some sort of say in abortion or not, but considering the woman has to carry said child, I don't agree with forcing a woman to. I wish there was a way to safely transport a fetus to a man so if he wants said baby, he can have said baby.
DH and I have cheated on each other. We grew up. We didn't ruin our relationship over it, and we trust each other completely.
I have no UO. I'm eating candy while DH makes pie. cue cavities.
because it didn't fucking snow enough for me to build my own
I think it's dumb when adults wear Halloween costumes. Especially to work, but even when trick-or-treating with your kid (in that case you should be wearing brightly colored reflective clothes for safety). Exceptions: Adult costume parties and volunteering at a haunted house, etc.
I love Halloween (it's my b-day - lots of costume parties!), but seeing an adult in a costume makes me cringe,
Lack of education is absolutely an issue when it comes to unplanned pregnancy, no question. All you need to do is look at the statistics of teenage/unplanned pregnancies in abstinence only education states. Parents should be educating their kids as to safe practices, but the reality is that many don't.
Me: 35 H: 35 Married: 4/5/13 "You know that place between sleep and awake, that place where you can still remember dreaming? That's where I will always love you. That's where I'll be waiting." ~Peter Pan
*TW*
BFP #1: 11/12/12 EDD 7/25/13 Baby boy: 7/27/13 BFP #2: 10/29/17 MMC dx @ 9 weeks BFP #3: 2/2/18 MC 2/7/18 BFP #4: 3/2/18 MC 3/9/18 RPL testing and hysteroscopy: all normal BFP #5: 4/1/18 MMC dx @ 14 weeks ----> genetically normal girl Hysteroscopy to remove scar tissue 9/28 BFP #6 11/5/18 EDD 7/20/19 Rainbow baby girl born 7/23/19 BFP #7 12/8/2021 EDD 8/22/2022
If DH ever cheated, his ass would be out so fast. Another UO, marital love is not unconditional. I love my children and my parents unconditionally. My love for my husband comes with a whole set of conditions, fidelity is one of them.
I agree with @lizabethann06 as long as you are in costume.
I agree men should get some sort of say in abortion or not, but considering the woman has to carry said child, I don't agree with forcing a woman to. I wish there was a way to safely transport a fetus to a man so if he wants said baby, he can have said baby.
DH and I have cheated on each other. We grew up. We didn't ruin our relationship over it, and we trust each other completely.
I have no UO. I'm eating candy while DH makes pie. cue cavities.
Agree with all of this. We even did the whole break/ open relationship /cheating (not sure what to call it) while dating. We grew up. If we hadn't seen what else was out there, we would have always wondered. I love knowing he couldn't find better, and I know I couldn't either (but he doesn't need to hear that).
On a lighter note, my UO is that I think Mumford and Sons is a terrible band. All the songs sounds exactly the same. I found a Buzzfeed that summarized the formula to their songs perfectly: guy starts singing, acoustic guitar, mandolin or some shit, bass in your face, everything gets quiet, mother-fuckin' BANJO!!
Me: 35 H: 35 Married: 4/5/13 "You know that place between sleep and awake, that place where you can still remember dreaming? That's where I will always love you. That's where I'll be waiting." ~Peter Pan
*TW*
BFP #1: 11/12/12 EDD 7/25/13 Baby boy: 7/27/13 BFP #2: 10/29/17 MMC dx @ 9 weeks BFP #3: 2/2/18 MC 2/7/18 BFP #4: 3/2/18 MC 3/9/18 RPL testing and hysteroscopy: all normal BFP #5: 4/1/18 MMC dx @ 14 weeks ----> genetically normal girl Hysteroscopy to remove scar tissue 9/28 BFP #6 11/5/18 EDD 7/20/19 Rainbow baby girl born 7/23/19 BFP #7 12/8/2021 EDD 8/22/2022
If DH ever cheated, his ass would be out so fast. Another UO, marital love is not unconditional. I love my children and my parents unconditionally. My love for my husband comes with a whole set of conditions, fidelity is one of them.
Agree. When you marry someone, you should be a grown up at this point- a grown up that has committed to one person and one person only. If MH cheated, I would never stay. The relationship is fucked at that point.
I'm wearing a costume at work today. I love halloween and I don't get to go to a party this year and since we are allowed to dress up, I decided too. I think it's fun to change things up for a day. Happy Halloween and happy birthday @elyse05
Ive said this every time this argument comes up and I will say it again. Lack of education in the sex/BC department is serious. Girls I knew thought drinking bleach would make you not be pregnant anymore. That doubling condoms was double the protection. Having sex in a pool wont get you pregnant. Having sex on your period wont get you pregnant. Going pee right after you have sex wont get you pregnant.
Education needs to be stepped up. I lost my virginity at 12. The reason I didn't get pregnant is because my mom had a real talk about sex and all with me.
Hell my FIL and his wife are trying to have a baby. Even they have no fucking clue about anything when it comes to making a baby, and he has four freaking kids. Three of which were failed BC.
Blah. I hate this argument. It gets me so worked up. Back to candy.
because it didn't fucking snow enough for me to build my own
My UO. A cheater is a cheater. Once a cheater, always a cheater.
Also, I won't stay in a relationship if he cheats. No amount of "I'm sorry, it meant nothing" will change anything. You had a choice and you made it, my choice will be leaving your sorry ass. I don't take divorce lightly, but this would be an exception. And I don't really commend the people who stay and "try to fix things". I don't judge them obviously, I don't really care what you do one way or another, but I definitely don't think they're "strong and brave" or whatever.
Luckily, DH and I are on the same page with this. We agreed before we even got engaged that if either of us cheated, we'd be burning their sh!t on the front lawn.
This exactly. DH and I agreed the same thing, neither of us has a tolerance for cheating.
Competitive cheerleading is absolutely a sport. I cheered in high school and a couple of my teammates went on to cheer at FSU. That shit is intense.
I cheated on every one of my boyfriends before DH. I was also young and stupid. I used to say that if DH ever cheated I'd leave, but now that there's a kid involved, things are different. I think of Miranda a la SATC movie and think I'd probably forgive. Let's hope I never have to find out.
@etoille and @maryannespier, thank you for capturing my liberal heart's sentiments and wording them perfectly.
re: abortion, I feel that a woman should absolutely be able to make the choice herself, and that sex education and access to birth control desperately need to be improved in this country.
I'll try and think of an UO...
Mom to three girls and pregnant with #4! L: 7/12/13 C: 5/11/15 E: 3/7/17 Due 11/10/18
Just because you're a SAHM or SAHD...doesn't mean your working SO should never have to help around the house. They should still pitch in, damnit. It gets old always doing the dishes, cleaning up the kitchen or scrubbing their nasty man bathroom.
I totally agree, and so does my husband thank goodness! He thinks my job is pretty darn tough and helps around the house a lot! He made dinner for us every night for the first 3 months. He's amazing
General response bc I didn't want the giant quote tree: Good men do get screwed bc it ultimately falls on the woman's choice. But that's how we are built. Man can't carry a pregnancy. I think in a perfect world, yes, there would be a discussion for both sides to weigh in and make a logical adult decision. But in reality, this isn't always the case. One of those pregnancy shows, I think it was "I'm having their baby", showed a girl who decided against adoption bc the dad said he wanted the baby. She told him time and time again she wasn't ready. He promised he would take the baby. Guess who's raising the baby? It just will never be that cut and dry. It's unfortunate to dads who care. But it is the nature of how we are built. And bc of this it lands on the mom... Ps- the birth control logic blows. I always felt that way, preg is 100% preventable. Until I realized we are all human and make mistakes. Meet my twins...
Prior to being pregnant I was VERY pro-choice. Now I feel like the lines have become very blurred for me. Therefore, the "choice" is a personal decision and government and the church have no business interfering in this decision. I really have a problem with people letting a governing body dictate personal values.
@LivvyKH I think it makes sense. It's your decision to establish what your values are. I just get so irate when religious and political arguments enter into personal decision making and determining personal values.
That's why I get upset with what I perceive as judgement from some religious groups. It is not their job to judge my values but to set their own values and live by them. If I am not personally hurting you or your family then why try to change what I believe.
I am not totally 100% Pro Life ( while I could never have an abortion, to each their own) I am completely against a woman making this choice with out even considering the Dad's wants or wishes.
It shouldn't be completely up to the woman at that point. If they are both on board for it great, if not then it shouldn't be allowed. Fathers have no rights at all when it comes to this and it really bothers me.
Going through pregnancy & childbirth solidified my opinion that it must be the choice of the woman. I can't even IMAGINE going through all of that if I didn't want to be pregnant. Even if I was going to adopt out and be done after birth (which isn't an easy choice). Pregnancy is a serious medical condition and its DANGEROUS. You could die. You could be confined to bedrest for months unable to work. You could have a terrible CS wound infection, or an emergency hysterectomy.
Even in a normal average pregnancy & childbirth, you often feel sick for months, you're not supposed to eat a bunch of foods, you can't take a whole host of medicines, you get to the point where you can barely walk and rolling over in bed is fucking agony. From 30-32 weeks I couldn't stand up straight because it felt like I was being ripped apart (diastasis recti). I spent weeks 38-42 with a baby's foot pushing upwards on my GD ribs and I just couldn't get comfortable for the life of me.
Pregnancy is wonderful and worth it when you want a baby. But to inflict on someone against their will it is CRUEL.
So is denying someone a child that is equally theirs, IMO. Yes, it's growing in the woman's body, but it took both people to make that baby and is both people's baby. I don't want to offend anyone and normally I wouldn't jump in on things this heated, but it's one thing I feel very strongly about. Men are constantly getting screwed and looked over when it comes to children and it's not fair. A father should have the right to know his child if he wants to.
I completely agree @kdasr. Killing someone's child is cruel. Being "forced" to be pregnant is not. Unless she was raped, she new the chance of pregnancy exisited.
My UO. A cheater is a cheater. Once a cheater, always a cheater
I agree in a way.
I think some people cheat purely because they are selfish dickheads. Those people will always cheat. I had a boyfriend like this in high school. He messaged me a few times in college wanting to hook up even though he was dating someone at the time. This guy would also steal things from his friends and had thousands of dollars of stolen clothes from stores in the mall. He just DGAF. (I know, I had great taste )
Then sometimes people cheat but it's not in line with their character. Maybe the relationship is in a bad place or something. I don't think a momentary lapse in judgement means that the person is a dirty cheater pants.
@etoille I agree with you there is complete asshattery on this issue and I agree unless we magically have a complete overhaul of the current party system our country will never solve this issue. As I have said before I am a libertarian. Someone help me understand the rights position on bc and abortion and welfare. I don't get it. "You can't take BC because its against gods plan, if you get pregnant you can't have an abortion because that was not in gods plan and be damned if you want a government handout because you can't afford your child...you should have planned better" The logic is not there for me. Flame away.
I don't much care for Halloween. What I mostly hate is how it's changed (here anyway). I wasn't allowed to trick or treat anymore after I turned 12. Now every time I open the door, the trick or treaters are usually 12 or older, with a mask if any costume at all, and totally impolite. I swear to you, I am not doling out one piece of candy to an adult tonight unless there's a toddler with them who can't ask for themselves. And I'm tempted to shame the ones who try.
Edit- stupid mobile posted before I was done being ranty.
DH informed me that because we park our cars outside of the garage every night we will be giving candy to all trick or treaters young, old, sweet and rude.
I can't describe how disappointed I am.
Wowza at accusing a good quarter of American women of being murderers, @provwife. How totally insensitive and ridiculous.
In my eyes, as a Christian, a mother and a daughter, I do consider life starting in the womb. I think it's insensitive and ridiculous to rreceive an abortion for convenience. To each their own. I have friends that have got abortions and I don't judge them by it or think they are "damned for hell", but I have never/will never support that decision.
In my eyes, as a Christian, a mother and a daughter, I do consider life starting in the womb. I think it's insensitive and ridiculous to rreceive an abortion for convenience. To each their own. I have friends that have got abortions and I don't judge them by it or think they are "damned for hell", but I have never/will never support that decision.
I'm confused. If you truly think these people "killed a child" (your words) then how the heck are you friends with them? How are you not judging them? And given you believe they have broken a Commandment, how are they not going to hell? Please explain.
I don't know their fate. That's not up to me to decide. You quoted, "killed a child", like I called it something it is not. What do you call iintentionally stopping a beating, human heart?
Re: UO
I lost my angels 07/2010, 04/2017, 10/2017
Meimsx no more
In order for the cheating to happen they would have to:
1. Meet and flirt
2. Both make signs willing to progress further
3. Go somewhere to DTD
4. Take clothes of
5. Insert peen
To complete all that is a mission, not a mistake.
If DH cheated on me, I would leave him and make it hurt. I'm bitter that way.
I love Halloween (it's my b-day - lots of costume parties!), but seeing an adult in a costume makes me cringe,
Married: 4/5/13
"You know that place between sleep and awake,
that place where you can still remember dreaming?
That's where I will always love you.
That's where I'll be waiting."
~Peter Pan
*TW*
BFP #2: 10/29/17 MMC dx @ 9 weeks
BFP #3: 2/2/18 MC 2/7/18
BFP #4: 3/2/18 MC 3/9/18
RPL testing and hysteroscopy: all normal
BFP #5: 4/1/18 MMC dx @ 14 weeks ----> genetically normal girl
Hysteroscopy to remove scar tissue 9/28
BFP #6 11/5/18 EDD 7/20/19
BFP #7 12/8/2021 EDD 8/22/2022
Married: 4/5/13
"You know that place between sleep and awake,
that place where you can still remember dreaming?
That's where I will always love you.
That's where I'll be waiting."
~Peter Pan
*TW*
BFP #2: 10/29/17 MMC dx @ 9 weeks
BFP #3: 2/2/18 MC 2/7/18
BFP #4: 3/2/18 MC 3/9/18
RPL testing and hysteroscopy: all normal
BFP #5: 4/1/18 MMC dx @ 14 weeks ----> genetically normal girl
Hysteroscopy to remove scar tissue 9/28
BFP #6 11/5/18 EDD 7/20/19
BFP #7 12/8/2021 EDD 8/22/2022
1. I cringe every time someone says they ate Chik-fil-a
2. It irks me when anyone asks for money for a gift
My UO: I cannot stand Bruno Mars, Robin Thicke, or eminem. I change the station immediately when any of their songs come on.
I like listening to m&s but I think that @cfreymc's description is accurate.
Happy birthday @Elyse05
I forgot how to uo today. Must nap. ..
L: 7/12/13
C: 5/11/15
E: 3/7/17
Due 11/10/18
L: 7/12/13
C: 5/11/15
E: 3/7/17
Due 11/10/18
I think in a perfect world, yes, there would be a discussion for both sides to weigh in and make a logical adult decision. But in reality, this isn't always the case. One of those pregnancy shows, I think it was "I'm having their baby", showed a girl who decided against adoption bc the dad said he wanted the baby. She told him time and time again she wasn't ready. He promised he would take the baby. Guess who's raising the baby? It just will never be that cut and dry. It's unfortunate to dads who care. But it is the nature of how we are built. And bc of this it lands on the mom...
Ps- the birth control logic blows. I always felt that way, preg is 100% preventable. Until I realized we are all human and make mistakes. Meet my twins...
That's why I get upset with what I perceive as judgement from some religious groups. It is not their job to judge my values but to set their own values and live by them. If I am not personally hurting you or your family then why try to change what I believe.
I completely agree @kdasr. Killing someone's child is cruel. Being "forced" to be pregnant is not. Unless she was raped, she new the chance of pregnancy exisited.
I think some people cheat purely because they are selfish dickheads. Those people will always cheat. I had a boyfriend like this in high school. He messaged me a few times in college wanting to hook up even though he was dating someone at the time. This guy would also steal things from his friends and had thousands of dollars of stolen clothes from stores in the mall. He just DGAF. (I know, I had great taste
Then sometimes people cheat but it's not in line with their character. Maybe the relationship is in a bad place or something. I don't think a momentary lapse in judgement means that the person is a dirty cheater pants.
That's just from my experience though.
I like the way @liz4444 put it.
As I have said before I am a libertarian.
Someone help me understand the rights position on bc and abortion and welfare. I don't get it.
"You can't take BC because its against gods plan, if you get pregnant you can't have an abortion because that was not in gods plan and be damned if you want a government handout because you can't afford your child...you should have planned better"
The logic is not there for me.
Flame away.
You quoted, "killed a child", like I called it something it is not. What do you call iintentionally stopping a beating, human heart?