Preschool Indecision

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

But, again, do you need a structured preschool environment to learn those things?

ILoveBoys · October 2013

KateMW said:

CinemaGoddess said:

You mean negative attitudes about not being in the higher level reading groups and whatnot?

Kids notice these things at a very young age. My daughter is dyslexic and noticed from K on that people were better readers than her. It really did a number of her confidence. Now that she's caught up and passed her reading level, it's one of her greatest sources of pride about school.

That's great!!! I dated a guy in college who was dyslexic and he said its super hard. She/you should be so proud.

Andrewsgal · October 2013

I have worked with so many kids who have convinced themselves they are dumb. They are not, but it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

notkateanymore · October 2013

CinemaGoddess said:

KateMW said:

CinemaGoddess said:

You mean negative attitudes about not being in the higher level reading groups and whatnot?

Kids notice these things at a very young age. My daughter is dyslexic and noticed from K on that people were better readers than her. It really did a number of her confidence. Now that she's caught up and passed her reading level, it's one of her greatest sources of pride about school.

But this is a good thing, though. Right?

Totally but the lack of confidence bled over into other things and totally wrecked school for her and we still deal with the fall out from it. I mean, we changed schools because of it...had to leave her rich person private school for public school even.

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

Andrewsgal said:

I have worked with so many kids who have convinced themselves they are dumb. They are not, but it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

But this has an opposite. You tell a kid (especially a girl) that he/she's smart from a young age, he/she may not work as hard as a child who actually has to work for their education.

foxmini · October 2013

CinemaGoddess said:

Andrewsgal said:

I have worked with so many kids who have convinced themselves they are dumb. They are not, but it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

But this has an opposite. You tell a kid (especially a girl) that he/she's smart from a young age, he/she may not work as hard as a child who actually has to work for their education.

You don't have a background in education, do you? As I said, there is a ton of educational research. Many, many studies have been done. Self-efficacy is one of the most important things for students to develop.

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

foxmini said:

CinemaGoddess said:

Andrewsgal said:

I have worked with so many kids who have convinced themselves they are dumb. They are not, but it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

But this has an opposite. You tell a kid (especially a girl) that he/she's smart from a young age, he/she may not work as hard as a child who actually has to work for their education.

You don't have a background in education, do you? As I said, there is a ton of educational research. Many, many studies have been done. Self-efficacy is one of the most important things for students to develop.

Nope, but I have two almost-3 year olds.

But thanks for the condescending attitude. That was much appreciated in a completely legitimate series of questions.

Andrewsgal · October 2013

CinemaGoddess said:

Andrewsgal said:

I have worked with so many kids who have convinced themselves they are dumb. They are not, but it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

But this has an opposite. You tell a kid (especially a girl) that he/she's smart from a young age, he/she may not work as hard as a child who actually has to work for their education.

There is just not a lot of research to back this up. However there is tons of research on SFP just google it.

foxmini · October 2013

CinemaGoddess said:

foxmini said:

CinemaGoddess said:

Andrewsgal said:

I have worked with so many kids who have convinced themselves they are dumb. They are not, but it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

But this has an opposite. You tell a kid (especially a girl) that he/she's smart from a young age, he/she may not work as hard as a child who actually has to work for their education.

You don't have a background in education, do you? As I said, there is a ton of educational research. Many, many studies have been done. Self-efficacy is one of the most important things for students to develop.

Nope, but I have two almost-3 year olds.

But thanks for the condescending attitude. That was much appreciated in a completely legitimate series of questions.

I wasn't being condescending. I don't know your lyfe, maybe you're a professor of education at Harvard. And I answered your question. Telling kids that they're smart is never bad. Giving them free grades so they think they're smart and don't have to work is bad. But that's not the same thing.

Andrewsgal · October 2013

You know that we base rates in which we build prisons on third grade literacy rates?

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

No, because not a lot of research has been done on this phenomenon. It's a new area of study, from what I understand.

I'm not saying that what is learned in preschool isn't important. I'm wondering if there is a need for a structured preschool environment (which is a question that has yet to be answered.). I mean, what happens when Montessori kids go to kindergarten or higher level of public school? They don't have the traditional structured day but they're still learning the same information.

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

foxmini said:

CinemaGoddess said:

foxmini said:

CinemaGoddess said:

Andrewsgal said:

I have worked with so many kids who have convinced themselves they are dumb. They are not, but it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

But this has an opposite. You tell a kid (especially a girl) that he/she's smart from a young age, he/she may not work as hard as a child who actually has to work for their education.

You don't have a background in education, do you? As I said, there is a ton of educational research. Many, many studies have been done. Self-efficacy is one of the most important things for students to develop.

Nope, but I have two almost-3 year olds.

But thanks for the condescending attitude. That was much appreciated in a completely legitimate series of questions.

I wasn't being condescending. I don't know your lyfe, maybe you're a professor of education at Harvard. And I answered your question. Telling kids that they're smart is never bad. Giving them free grades so they think they're smart and don't have to work is bad. But that's not the same thing.

That's not what I was saying at all.

foxmini · October 2013

CinemaGoddess said:

No, because not a lot of research has been done on this phenomenon. It's a new area of study, from what I understand.

I'm not saying that what is learned in preschool isn't important. I'm wondering if there is a need for a structured preschool environment (which is a question that has yet to be answered.). I mean, what happens when Montessori kids go to kindergarten or higher level of public school? They don't have the traditional structured day but they're still learning the same information.

I don't know which preschools you've been to but "structured" isn't really the word I'd use to describe them. Free play is important, exposure is important, socialization is important. Rote memorization is not nearly as important, which is what several people have said.

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

foxmini said:

CinemaGoddess said:

No, because not a lot of research has been done on this phenomenon. It's a new area of study, from what I understand.

I'm not saying that what is learned in preschool isn't important. I'm wondering if there is a need for a structured preschool environment (which is a question that has yet to be answered.). I mean, what happens when Montessori kids go to kindergarten or higher level of public school? They don't have the traditional structured day but they're still learning the same information.

I don't know which preschools you've been to but "structured" isn't really the word I'd use to describe them. Free play is important, exposure is important, socialization is important. Rote memorization is not nearly as important, which is what several people have said.

So the preschools teach the reading and whatnot in that environment, yes?

Andrewsgal · October 2013

Okay so we know tons of research has been done on the benifits of preschool. There has never ever been a study done that say preschool is harmful. Bottom line. Why would I not send my kid? I am a huge proponent of universal preK. I think it should be offered and affordable to everyone. Not just my kid because we can afford it. I am convinced it is just another factor in the gap between lower and upper class getting wider and wider.

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

Andrewsgal said:

Okay so we know tons of research has been done on the benifits of preschool. There has never ever been a study done that say preschool is harmful. Bottom line. Why would I not send my kid? I am a huge proponent of universal preK. I think it should be offered and affordable to everyone. Not just my kid because we can afford it. I am convinced it is just another factor in the gap between lower and upper class getting wider and wider.

I 100% agree with this.

Andrewsgal · October 2013

CinemaGoddess said:

Andrewsgal said:

Okay so we know tons of research has been done on the benifits of preschool. There has never ever been a study done that say preschool is harmful. Bottom line. Why would I not send my kid? I am a huge proponent of universal preK. I think it should be offered and affordable to everyone. Not just my kid because we can afford it. I am convinced it is just another factor in the gap between lower and upper class getting wider and wider.

I 100% agree with this.
See we're not all bitchy elitist here;)

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

No, but the jury's still out on how many of you are condescending twats.

Andrewsgal · October 2013

So your here just to argue and insult the SAHM board? Okay.

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

amy052006 said:

CinemaGoddess said:

Andrewsgal said:

Okay so we know tons of research has been done on the benifits of preschool. There has never ever been a study done that say preschool is harmful. Bottom line. Why would I not send my kid? I am a huge proponent of universal preK. I think it should be offered and affordable to everyone. Not just my kid because we can afford it. I am convinced it is just another factor in the gap between lower and upper class getting wider and wider.

I 100% agree with this.

Which is why in this thread I was advocating for free Obama socialst pre-school for everyone -- because of the financial issue the OP brought up.

Also, I just have to throw in there my other thing on pre-school -- lots of research proves that many kids that don't have it eventually catch up around 2nd grade. BUt in a typical elementary school set-up, the damage is done. The kid is labeled "slow", "behind", "difficult", whatever. Why would you saddle you kid with that if you have an alternative?

But why would you need to send the kid to preschool if you can teach them the requirements yourself or send them somewhere not labeled as a "preschool" but still gives the same type of instruction?

That's why I kept mentioning the structured preschool environment. If your kid can walk into kindergarten knowing all the things andrews mentioned in her post without ever having set foot in a preschool, is the need for a legit preschool environment needed?

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

Andrewsgal said:

So your here just to argue and insult the SAHM board? Okay.

I was using amynumber's phrasing from the Parenting thread about this.

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

CinemaGoddess said:

Andrewsgal said:

So your here just to argue and insult the SAHM board? Okay.

I was using amynumber's phrasing from the Parenting thread about this.

RE: the bolded:

DID YOU NOT GO TO PRESCHOOL?

Andrewsgal · October 2013

Because it's more than that. I only listed the academic things nothing about the social or classroom expectations which can not be taught at home. I also verb seriously doubt the regular joe without a teaching certificate has the skills to teach the skills necessary. Hell I would go as far to say that people don't even know what their kids need to know.

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

gwapes said:

No, but the jury's still out on how many of you are condescending twats.
Can we be strong friends now? What OK.

IDK. How good are you at thumb wrestling? All my strength is in my thumbs.

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

Andrewsgal said:

Because it's more than that. I only listed the academic things nothing about the social or classroom expectations which can not be taught at home. I also verb seriously doubt the regular joe without a teaching certificate has the skills to teach the skills necessary. Hell I would go as far to say that people don't even know what their kids need to know.

But if your kid's in a DC?

Andrewsgal · October 2013

CinemaGoddess said:

Andrewsgal said:

Because it's more than that. I only listed the academic things nothing about the social or classroom expectations which can not be taught at home. I also verb seriously doubt the regular joe without a teaching certificate has the skills to teach the skills necessary. Hell I would go as far to say that people don't even know what their kids need to know.

But if your kid's in a DC?

Almost all our daycares have amazing curriculum. Daycares and preschools are the same here as far as getting kids prepared for kinder.

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

So what I'm taking away from this discussion is:

Preschool is necessary for structured days, transitions, independent play, solidifying knowledge necessary in Kindergarten (or starting knowledge if the kid isn't that familiar with the concepts) all in order for the kid to not be socially stigmatized in school and/or create a solid basis for future education?

Andrewsgal · October 2013

Good summary. But I would say preschool or daycare yes.

CinemaGoddess · October 2013

Andrewsgal said:

Andrewsgal said:

Because it's more than that. I only listed the academic things nothing about the social or classroom expectations which can not be taught at home. I also verb seriously doubt the regular joe without a teaching certificate has the skills to teach the skills necessary. Hell I would go as far to say that people don't even know what their kids need to know.

But if your kid's in a DC?
Almost all our daycares have amazing curriculum. Daycares and preschools are the same here as far as getting kids prepared for kinder.

Yeah, our DC goes from standard DC to a preschool environment, even though it's not technically called a preschool. There are other legit preschools here that have preschool hours and whatnot, but no DC options.

Andrewsgal · October 2013

Really the big difference between our DC and preschools is hours. DC are 6-6 abs preschools are 9-2 oh and of course price.

Andrewsgal · October 2013

CnAmom said:

Our (the royal our) DC centers don't focus so much on the academics, as far as I know. ::shakes fist at bassackwards town I live in::

ours are actually really good. I considered their pre K program for J but it was to expensive as I would have to pay full time DC prices.

foxmini · October 2013

gwapes said:
Do not have thumbs. The rumps said to say jajajaja to the babes. So I did. The babes got the chomps on thumbs. Maybe it was the garlic.

/dead

Love My Lil Princess 509 · October 2013

Lol...I'm certified to teach, so does that mean I get out of sending lo to preschool lol. I see a lot of research thrown around. I guess many of you forget that intelligence is genetic as well right. There are some children who just have a hard time grasping certain concepts. The biggest problem I've seen is parents who give 2 craps about school and that attitude is passed down. The kids I've seen who have been the most far behind are the one whose reading logs have not a single book logged in or parent signature. The parent isn't involved, why should the kid care? Having a positive attitude and to want to learn, that's the key here, comes from home.

ILoveBoys · October 2013

JellyBellyStar said:
As for the rest...you know what my kid goes twice a week to "preschool" and it's great for her. I have friends who send their kids to daycare 50 hours a week and their kids are thriving. If you don't want to send your kid that's your choice but I find it ridiculous to act as if a kid is being punished for going (as op implied).

Haha!!! I never said anywhere (nor do I THINK) that she would be being punished at preschool.

And as far as the show you say I turned it into, besides that, I think there was some good conversation. I learned things today I didn't know.

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