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lalaith50 · September 2013

katykatykaty said:

lalaith50 said:

ellajune2012 said:
I am also born & raised Catholic - I'm a bit lapsed now because of some fundamental things I think are wrong with the Church - but I fully support gay marriage and contraceptives. I'm also pretty sure most Catholics who say they are against contraceptives are lying. I mean... there just can't be that many infertile married couples in the Catholic church, right?

Wow. that's a pretty ignorant statement. Clearly, you know NOTHING about fertility awareness methods. Worked for me and my husband while we used it for 1.5 years, and all of our friends that we know who used (of which there are quite a few.)

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but how is practicing FAM any different than using contraceptives? They're both preventing getting pregnant. Wouldn't Jesus be against both of them?

Not a stupid question. :-)

Technically, FAM involves using condoms or abstinence during fertile periods. NFP (which is really what I'm referring to, as it's the one approved by the Catholic Church,) requires abstinence around ovulation as a way of postponing getting pregnant.

You're right they both prevent pregnancy, but artificial barrier methods or hormones actually DO something to *prevent* pregnancy, while not having sex simply... doesn't do anything. I think it's obvious that at various points in a couple's relationship it is logical and healthy for them to abstain - for example, while one partner is ill, or postpartum while the wife heals, for example. It makes sense to me that we as humans have been given intellects by God that we can use to decide whether or not we should have sex- God doesn't force us to ever have sex with our spouse! And deciding you don't want to have sex b/c you know now is not a good time to get pregnant is similar to deciding not to have sex b/c someone is sick or whatever.

God doesn't expect us to just walk out into a street without looking for cars and just trust him that he will take care of us! No! He GAVE us our intellects and prudent judgement, and expects us to use them, and by using NFP to decide to abstain we aren't doing anything to prevent pregnancy.

It makes sense in my head, but I'm never very good at explaining it... here's another article that might explain it better...

https://www.priestsforlife.org/articles/nfpdifferences.html

As for "Jesus being against both," Catholics often use 1 Corinthians 7:5 to as why it's ok to abstain from sex - "Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time so you may devote yourselves to prayer." As the article above that I linked to explains a bit, the decision to postpone pregnancy for Catholics is not one to be taken lightly - like 1 Corinthians says, it should really involve quite a bit of prayer and discernment.

springbaby03 · September 2013

Katykatykaty... I gotta run anyway, she's all your ladies.

Enjoy.

iheartbooks · September 2013

YankeePeach08 said:

Minnow1984 said:

Minnow1984 said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
Kalpa521 said:

babylimas said:

Kalpa521 said:

Nickiechan said:
I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.

I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable'

Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

Huh?? Ok... I don't agree with the president of CFA on his 'personal' beliefs, but just because he voiced his honest opinion about something (That is unpopular) doesn't justify me not going to CFA.

I apologize for turning FFFC into a UO....

It is Friday!

I didn't say anything about whether or not you are justified to boycott cfa. I said that you don't really seem like you support gay marriage.

Just because I eat at Chickfila? I still don't understand...
Not because you eat there. I don't care where the heck you eat to be honest. I have issue with you claiming to support gay marriage all while excusing a public and powerful persons hatred and violence towards gay people. You say that you don't agree with people boycotting the chain because of one persons personal opinion. That person is the president of the organization and is directly profiting from your eating there and in turn using that money to fund violence against gay people. Eat there if you want. Hand the president a big fat cheque too, but don't excuse or minimize his hatred and violence and then claim to be a supporter of gay people.

I think that's a little harsh... I don't think it's quite that black and white where you can automatically say that just bc someone eats at chick fil a they don't support gay marriage. I have plenty I gay friends who eat there and it would be ludicrous to say they don't support gay marriage. I think it's more of a disagreement over whether someone views spending money at an establishment as the same thing as supporting all the causes that organization does it doesn't support. I personally agree that spending money at chick fil a, because the company supports organizations opposed to gay marriage, is akin to my supporting those causes. But some people, gay people included, do not view spending money there in that way. It's a difference in opinion of where you think the line is drawn on your money actually supporting or not supporting something , not a difference in opinion over whether you think it is or is not right to support gay marriage.

I don't know how I can be more clear. What I have issue with is that she says she supports gay marriage in the very same paragraph where she minimizes and downplays the presidents hatred and violence against gay people as a simple personal opinion. Again if you eat there or have eaten there doesn't mean you a homophobic BUT if you think " boycotting the chain because of 'one persons personal' opinion is stupid" than you cannot possibly understand and be an ally to the gay community.

Except that I know gay people who think that exact thing, and it would be ridiculous to say that they don't understand or are not an ally to the gay community. Like I said, I don't think the issue is that black and white.

Oh great...now we are going to bring race into this...I'm off to get some
popcorn :P

Woooow that comment had absolutely ZERO to do with race. The expression refers to colors, as in, colors on the color wheel.

legallyginger · September 2013

lalaith50 said:

ellajune2012 said:

I am also born & raised Catholic - I'm a bit lapsed now because of some fundamental things I think are wrong with the Church - but I fully support gay marriage and contraceptives. I'm also pretty sure most Catholics who say they are against contraceptives are lying. I mean... there just can't be that many infertile married couples in the Catholic church, right?

Wow. that's a pretty ignorant statement. Clearly, you know NOTHING about fertility awareness methods. Worked for me and my husband while we used it for 1.5 years, and all of our friends that we know who used (of which there are quite a few.)

I wouldn't say that Catholics who say they're against contraception are lying. I would say though that a large, large majority of Catholics, at least in America, have no problem at all with contraceptives.

I live in the most Catholic state in the country and don't know anyone opposed to contraceptives, especially of the younger genaration. I know I've seen news reports about polls that found similar things.

bumpuser9058414 · September 2013

Has anyone seen Aziz Ansari on Jimmy Kimmel talking about the whole Chick-Fil-A debacle? It's honestly hilarious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1gCy0mW5Fw

bumpuser9058414 · September 2013

springbaby03 said:

KTdid81 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.

Gross. I'd rather ban guns than know that people who actually believe this crap argument are the ones that are carrying the guns.
@kalpa521 What a load of shit! Have you ever been robbed by a maniac pointing a gun in your face? That's what I thought NO! If you had you wouldn't make ignorant comments on a situation you have never been in. I would have liked for someone to stand up and try to help me and my child when we were being robbed by deadly force. God forbid your ever in a situation that forces you to eat your words. Perhaps the gunman will let you go out of the goodness of his thug heart and there will be no need for someone to come to your aid. Here's to hoping! Keeping my fingers crossed! And btw - you have no idea what I have and have not faced when it comes to violence so back the F off.

Or what? Nothing. Your more transparent than you'd like to be. Shut the hell up with your ignorant never been there comments then ill back off.

lalaith50 · September 2013

ellajune2012 said:

lalaith50 said:

ellajune2012 said:
I am also born & raised Catholic - I'm a bit lapsed now because of some fundamental things I think are wrong with the Church - but I fully support gay marriage and contraceptives. I'm also pretty sure most Catholics who say they are against contraceptives are lying. I mean... there just can't be that many infertile married couples in the Catholic church, right?

Wow. that's a pretty ignorant statement. Clearly, you know NOTHING about fertility awareness methods. Worked for me and my husband while we used it for 1.5 years, and all of our friends that we know who used (of which there are quite a few.)

Clearly you know nothing about me, or I would laugh in your face. Yeah, I'm well aware of women's cycle and how fertility works - I know more than I would ever want to know. Years of TTC, charting, opks etc. will do that to a person. That being said I HIGHLY, HIGHLY doubt that most Catholics I know are using that to avoid getting pregnant. And even if they were, they would still be violating the "purpose" of sex according to the Catholic church, so they would still be going against "official" teachings. Unless these teachings have changed since my 20+ years of listening to priests and other Catholics going on about them, that is.

Unfortunately, you are right that "most Catholics are using that to avoid getting pregnant." But that is not at all what you originally said, and my issue is with your original statement which is completely WRONG and even offensive (towards those who are using NFP as well as those who are truly infertile,) that sounds like you think Catholics who say they are against contraception are either lying, or else they are infertile.

StephBrim24 · September 2013

::peeks in this thread and tiptoes ever so carefully back out::

Mcsweets · September 2013

CHalePhoto said:

We've known the genders for almost 3 weeks and haven't told anyone yet (except you guys!)...

We keep lying saying we don't know yet because I want to do something "special" but don't want to do a full-on gender reveal. *sigh* My indecisiveness is causing extreme procrastination.
I must have missed the announcement since 3 weeks ago is when I was working out of town! What are the genders?! :-) I'm so excited to find out mine in 3 weeks. @mcsweets

@CHalePhoto - we have one of each!!! 3 weeks will go by fast, although I'm sure you don't feel like that

YankeePeach08 · September 2013

Minnow1984 said:

Minnow1984 said:

Kalpa521 said:

Kalpa521 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I'm sorry but to me it doesn't sound like you support gay marriage.

I don't think eating at Chick-fil-a has anything to do with supporting gay marriage. If you want to make it that, it's a personal decision, but it would serve no purpose to apply that onto third parties. I am involved in gay marriage advocacy groups and eat Chick-fil-a pretty frequently. I like to keep my chicken sandwiches and my political views separate. Hell, I live in the South, if I chose restaurants based on the owners' views, I would never eat.

eta: I mean that first sentence with specificity to the above comment. Your conclusion had no logic. Obviously for some it has to do with gay marriage.
I will be more specific. This below in her statement is what makes me believe she isn't really a supporter of gay marriage despite her saying she is: 'president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable' Using language like Entrapment, personal views and unreasonable all make it seem like she's more an advocate for the president than gay marriage.

Huh?? Ok... I don't agree with the president of CFA on his 'personal' beliefs, but just because he voiced his honest opinion about something (That is unpopular) doesn't justify me not going to CFA.

I apologize for turning FFFC into a UO....

It is Friday!

I didn't say anything about whether or not you are justified to boycott cfa. I said that you don't really seem like you support gay marriage.

Just because I eat at Chickfila? I still don't understand...
Not because you eat there. I don't care where the heck you eat to be honest. I have issue with you claiming to support gay marriage all while excusing a public and powerful persons hatred and violence towards gay people. You say that you don't agree with people boycotting the chain because of one persons personal opinion. That person is the president of the organization and is directly profiting from your eating there and in turn using that money to fund violence against gay people. Eat there if you want. Hand the president a big fat cheque too, but don't excuse or minimize his hatred and violence and then claim to be a supporter of gay people.
I think that's a little harsh... I don't think it's quite that black and white where you can automatically say that just bc someone eats at chick fil a they don't support gay marriage. I have plenty I gay friends who eat there and it would be ludicrous to say they don't support gay marriage. I think it's more of a disagreement over whether someone views spending money at an establishment as the same thing as supporting all the causes that organization does it doesn't support. I personally agree that spending money at chick fil a, because the company supports organizations opposed to gay marriage, is akin to my supporting those causes. But some people, gay people included, do not view spending money there in that way. It's a difference in opinion of where you think the line is drawn on your money actually supporting or not supporting something , not a difference in opinion over whether you think it is or is not right to support gay marriage. I don't know how I can be more clear. What I have issue with is that she says she supports gay marriage in the very same paragraph where she minimizes and downplays the presidents hatred and violence against gay people as a simple personal opinion. Again if you eat there or have eaten there doesn't mean you a homophobic BUT if you think " boycotting the chain because of 'one persons personal' opinion is stupid" than you cannot possibly understand and be an ally to the gay community.

Except that I know gay people who think that exact thing, and it would be ridiculous to say that they don't understand or are not an ally to the gay community. Like I said, I don't think the issue is that black and white.

Oh great...now we are going to bring race into this...I'm off to get some popcorn :P
Woooow that comment had absolutely ZERO to do with race. The expression refers to colors, as in, colors on the color wheel.

cdnmomma · September 2013

@springbaby03. I clearly can't let things go easily. If my response about choosing to be robbed rather than being shot by a gun wielding hot headed idiot is what has you so hot headed, this is what it was in response to:
Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.

In this instance ya I would rather hand over what I have than have gunshots going on around me. And i don't see how it relates to the situation you described with your daughter. Obviously terrible that that happened but your reaction to the above post is kinda crazy...and hot headed.

iheartbooks · September 2013

Fair enough... But with the way this thread is going right now I'm worried about being wrongly accused of starting a race war, yikes!

BoogieMonster629 · September 2013

Netflix is babysitting the kids I'm babysitting today. I'm tired.

Nickiechan · September 2013

I have one... DH and I play video games all through the night on Friday and Saturday night almost till 2am (not recently since I've been extremely exhausted). The next morning I let DS watch cartoons while we wake up or sober up in DH case (if he has been drinking)... DS enjoys Sid the Science Kid.

Mcsweets · September 2013

This is redic for a Friday.

Soooo how about dem Bears?

iheartbooks · September 2013

See my above comment on why I clarified

BoogieMonster629 · September 2013

Mcsweets said:

This is redic for a Friday.

Soooo how about dem Bears?

I'm pissed they beat the Steelers

Zombielove126 · September 2013

I have been bi sexual in my past, more than just a drunken girl kiss in college. Like, a full on serious relationship with a woman. I definitely support gay rights. Oh, and I eat at Chick Fil A! I don't give a fuuuuuck! Those are my confessions:)

Nickiechan · September 2013

Wow Bump slow down! Burp...

Nickiechan · September 2013

Wow Bump slow down! Burp... triple post

Nickiechan · September 2013

Zombielove126 said:

I have been bi sexual in my past, more than just a drunken girl kiss in college. Like, a full on serious relationship with a woman. I definitely support gay rights. Oh, and I eat at Chick Fil A! I don't give a fuuuuuck! Those are my confessions:)

You sound like a lot like me.
I've also been bi-sexual in my past. With relationships and everything... I support gay rights 100%.

AriaAmante143 · September 2013

My FFFC is when it comes to online forums, I try to keep my opinions on hot button issues to myself. Sometimes I can't bite my tongue, but usually I refrain from saying anything at all. It just turns into an internet screaming match, that dissolves into name calling and I don't understand how that's enjoyable for anyone.

AKPuffin · September 2013

katykatykaty said:

springbaby03 said:

KTdid81 said:

Kalpa521 said:

I think people who boycott Chickfila because the president was set in an entrapment statement for voice his personal views are unreasonable... Every time I go into Chickfila I get great service! I support gay marriage, but boycotting a franchise just because of one person's 'personal' views is stupid.
I feel the same way about people boycotting Starbucks because they don't allow guns on the premise. Actually, I think it's way more dumb that people are boycotting coffee because of guns.
I wish all gun carriers would boycott all the places I go to. I don't care to be in a coffee shop or anywhere else where people are carrying guns.

Banning guns doesn't keep you protected. You think the criminal who is going to rob you gives a shit whether or not you "banned" guns? No. But that registered carrier might just save you from the criminal. Oh, except now he can't take his registered weapon with him. Oh well, maybe you can throw hot coffee on the criminal.

Gross. I'd rather ban guns than know that people who actually believe this crap argument are the ones that are carrying the guns.
@kalpa521 What a load of shit! Have you ever been robbed by a maniac pointing a gun in your face? That's what I thought NO! If you had you wouldn't make ignorant comments on a situation you have never been in. I would have liked for someone to stand up and try to help me and my child when we were being robbed by deadly force. God forbid your ever in a situation that forces you to eat your words. Perhaps the gunman will let you go out of the goodness of his thug heart and there will be no need for someone to come to your aid.

@springbaby03
Liz would be sad that you used her picture for that rant.
ETA: But on a serious note, no I've never been in that situation. But I can honestly tell you that I wouldn't want some random person "defending" me in that situation by pointing a gun at the criminal who was pointing a gun at me. Who knows what that would cause him to do... Likely freak out and shoot everyone. I'd rather hand over whatever he's asking for and hope that he doesn't shoot me anyway.

@katykatykaty Here's to hoping criminals who want to take your belongings and or do you bodily harm will be nice enough to let you live!

katykatykaty · September 2013

@akpuffin Can you explain what you envision happening if some random person with a gun showed up while a criminal was pointing a gun at me? I'd honestly like to know why people think that would increase my chance of survival. But I agree, here's to hoping.

Yenemous · September 2013

HappyWife01 said:
I plan on playing the game on google's website a lot today. It's fun and my high score is 130 pieces of candy

I spent my fair share of time playing this today too!

AKPuffin · September 2013

@katykatykaty I was being sarcastic when I said here's to hoping. Putting stock in hope doesn't usually get people very far (I hope I can pay my bills this month or I hope a catastrophe won't ever happen to me). A stranger carrying a weapon is not going to worry about you if a criminal intends to do you harm, said stranger will be worrying about themselves as will the criminal. You need to be concerned with your own self preservation and stop wondering if a law abiding, gun carrying citizen is going to do you more harm than a criminal with a gun. I kind of wonder if you're not just making these comments to stir the pot so to speak.

karacakes98 · September 2013

Holy wow. What a trainwreck.

I love CFA. In fact, I just might eat there for dinner.

I think that posting links to old threads in an effort to get people to turn on someone that you don't like is really immature.

cdnmomma · September 2013

WickedNE said:
@kalpa521 I don't think @nickiechan has to clarify anything to anyone. It seems like this is a hot button issue for you, so maybe you are reading more into what she said initially. But it does not come off that she is against gay marriage.

And if anyone here was against it, is it really our place to attack them and go on and on about it? No one here was callous or rude about it. It's a personal belief that we could go on here for days in discussion. Thankfully, that's not why we're here.

I suggested she clarify because she said she may have been misunderstood. And i wasn't judging her opinion but the contradiction in her post. At any rate, it's Friday, it's 5pm where I am, and that means the weekends here! I'm off to put my feet up and enjoy the gorgeous sunshine!

Happy weekend all!

AriaAmante143 · September 2013

bunnyfungo said:
Trim yo' quote trees. That is all.

PLEASE!!

cdnmomma · September 2013

One final thought @nickiechan - I appreciate that you took back your comment about hate. Big of you and classy to do so.

cdnmomma · September 2013

FarmBoysWife said:

Kalpa521 said:

WickedNE said:
@kalpa521 I don't think @nickiechan has to clarify anything to anyone. It seems like this is a hot button issue for you, so maybe you are reading more into what she said initially. But it does not come off that she is against gay marriage.

And if anyone here was against it, is it really our place to attack them and go on and on about it? No one here was callous or rude about it. It's a personal belief that we could go on here for days in discussion. Thankfully, that's not why we're here.
I suggested she clarify because she said she may have been misunderstood. And i wasn't judging her opinion but the contradiction in her post. At any rate, it's Friday, it's 5pm where I am, and that means the weekends here! I'm off to put my feet up and enjoy the gorgeous sunshine!

Happy weekend all!
I love that line. It screams "I'm a newb and can't play with the big girls so I'm going to "peace out" in what looks like a graceful way, but really I look like a putz "

I am a newb and proud of it

now seriously I'm gonna go play in the sun while its still out! - said the putz

cdnmomma · September 2013

FarmBoysWife said:

Kalpa521 said:

FarmBoysWife said:

Kalpa521 said:

WickedNE said:
@kalpa521 I don't think @nickiechan has to clarify anything to anyone. It seems like this is a hot button issue for you, so maybe you are reading more into what she said initially. But it does not come off that she is against gay marriage.

And if anyone here was against it, is it really our place to attack them and go on and on about it? No one here was callous or rude about it. It's a personal belief that we could go on here for days in discussion. Thankfully, that's not why we're here.
I suggested she clarify because she said she may have been misunderstood. And i wasn't judging her opinion but the contradiction in her post. At any rate, it's Friday, it's 5pm where I am, and that means the weekends here! I'm off to put my feet up and enjoy the gorgeous sunshine!

Happy weekend all!
I love that line. It screams "I'm a newb and can't play with the big girls so I'm going to "peace out" in what looks like a graceful way, but really I look like a putz "
I am a newb and proud of it now seriously I'm gonna go play in the sun while its still out! - said the putz
I seriously expected come back and see a attitude filled post.. I like your attitude. May the sun not burn your skin!

Lol thanks FBW. You're growing on me too

katykatykaty · September 2013

AKPuffin said:
@katykatykaty I was being sarcastic when I said here's to hoping. Putting stock in hope doesn't usually get people very far (I hope I can pay my bills this month or I hope a catastrophe won't ever happen to me). A stranger carrying a weapon is not going to worry about you if a criminal intends to do you harm, said stranger will be worrying about themselves as will the criminal. You need to be concerned with your own self preservation and stop wondering if a law abiding, gun carrying citizen is going to do you more harm than a criminal with a gun. I kind of wonder if you're not just making these comments to stir the pot so to speak.

I'm not trying to stir the pot. I'm anti-guns. I have the same question about what you just said though. Say a criminal does pull a gun on me while he's robbing me... What do you think will happen if I pull out my own gun? I would think he would shoot me if he saw me going for something that might be a gun. Or he will shoot me when he sees me pointing a gun back at him. I just don't see how my carrying a gun would be protection.

AKPuffin · September 2013

katykatykaty said:

So if you hate guns why are we even having this conversation? If you aren't willing to carry one the point is moot. Maybe you should get yourself some pepper spray. ETA: quote tree trim fail.

katykatykaty · September 2013

I didn't start the conversation. And I do carry pepper spray, thanks.

I just don't understand the reasoning behind carrying in public places. I understand people say it's for defense, but when I really break down each scenario, I can't think of any good outcomes. I can get having one in your home, I guess, but I will never understand carrying in public.

benevolentforce · September 2013

FarmBoysWife said:

I have an odd question,. Any of you actually been held up a gunpoint?

Cause let me tell you from experience.. You aren't thinking about how to defend yourself. You go into survival mode.. Even hitting our silent alarm never crossed my mind.. I could hardly get my drawer open..

I have. It's surreal... in the worst way. Like during a car accident where everything slows down. Or, at least that was my experience. I was a senior in high school (a private HS), and the kid with the gun had gotten it from his parent's house. He put it to my head and told me to give him all the candy I had. I did, and he fucked around with the gun a bit more before running off.

lazyreader · September 2013

My husband and I both have our concealed weapons permit. I do not carry daily, but sometimes he needs to hand the pistol off to me so I carry it. legally.

The questions that people are asking about situational awareness are like asking a soccer player where are you going to go with the ball in the middle of the game and do what with it...? There are so many factors that an inexperienced shooter has NO IDEA about it's impossible to come up with a real answer. I've quizzed my hubs - who carries daily - on what would happen in xyz situation and he always ends up asking me a billion questions before I give up realizing that he's a well trained professional and knows what the fuck he's doing. No he's not a cop.

fuck you to whomever made the general comment that people who legally carry weapons are hot headed idiot maniacs etc. You're false assumption seems to be that people who go the legal route are at the same level of society scum as the people who choose to rob at gunpoint.

And btw just because someone draws their gun (in defense of whatever situation) doesn't mean they will shoot it.

Just because this pot is nice and hot already (and I have no shame posting this before going back to my disgusting amounts of assigned reading)... I have been told (this does not mean I agree) by MANY Marines/Sheriffs/professional gun smiths/etc that if I am home alone and someone breaks into my house and threatens to cause me or my family harm (I'm sure there's a more specific legal phrase): Shoot to kill... Why? Because a dead person cannot defend themselves in court.

Mcsweets · September 2013

Kacie said:

My husband and I both have our concealed weapons permit. I do not carry daily, but sometimes he needs to hand the pistol off to me so I carry it. legally.

The questions that people are asking about situational awareness are like asking a soccer player where are you going to go with the ball in the middle of the game and do what with it...? There are so many factors that an inexperienced shooter has NO IDEA about it's impossible to come up with a real answer. I've quizzed my hubs - who carries daily - on what would happen in xyz situation and he always ends up asking me a billion questions before I give up realizing that he's a well trained professional and knows what the fuck he's doing. No he's not a cop.

fuck you to whomever made the general comment that people who legally carry weapons are hot headed idiot maniacs etc. You're false assumption seems to be that people who go the legal route are at the same level of society scum as the people who choose to rob at gunpoint.

And btw just because someone draws their gun (in defense of whatever situation) doesn't mean they will shoot it.

Just because this pot is nice and hot already (and I have no shame posting this before going back to my disgusting amounts of assigned reading)... I have been told (this does not mean I agree) by MANY Marines/Sheriffs/professional gun smiths/etc that if I am home alone and someone breaks into my house and threatens to cause me or my family harm (I'm sure there's a more specific legal phrase): Shoot to kill... Why? Because a dead person cannot defend themselves in court.

Bazam.

AKPuffin · September 2013

@katykatykaty people carried concealed weapons for the same reason you carry pepper spray, a gun just leaves a lasting impression! @kacie Bazinga! You said what I wanted to but couldn't seem to get out in an understandable fashion. Also, I think I

you!

springbaby03 · September 2013

There are clearly several angles to the gun issue. I thought Akpuffin was speaking from the -we keep guns in our home- view point.
Maybe it was the sign that threw me off.

Being robbed at gun point is no walk in the park. In my expierience I fought back until I knew they had a gun, then I completly froze until I made a quick exit.
So yea I agree with farmboyswife. Its a stunning situation even if I had a gun I wouldn't have remembered how to move my hand to get it out, let alone actually use it.

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