open/conceal carry

amhah09 · August 2013

Andrewsgal said:
This is the thing that kills me about this thread. You have no idea your child can climb out of a crib until they do. You have no idea your child can unlock a door until they do. You have no IDE a child can reach or shoot a gun well until they do.

That's certainly how I feel about it. My kids have done a number of things I didn't think were possible, including taking the safety off the toilet seat lids which requires both hands and enough coordination that even my 28 year old husband struggles with it.

Edit: spelling

nikki912 · August 2013

Andrewsgal said:

This is the thing that kills me about this thread. You have no idea your child can climb out of a crib until they do. You have no idea your child can unlock a door until they do. You have no IDE a child can reach or shoot a gun well until they do.

For my own purposes there is no way my child was able to get to my weapons. He would have to climb out of the crib (possible), open his door (only possible if he was also able to move an object to stand on to reach the knob and then be smart enough to move the object out of the way to open the door completely- so we will say probable), and then come open my door (impossible as i always lock my bedroom door when my husband is out of town).

Other mothers may have a very similar set up. Don't assume you are the only one who thinks about child safety.

J&NL · August 2013

I'm confident my child is safe. Thank you for your concerns though.

jsoubel · August 2013

Does anyone else find it quizzical that women who are currently creating life within themselves are also willing to take someone else's life? I would give my life in a blink of an eye for my child, but I am not willing to take someone else's.

amhah09 · August 2013

nikki912 said:

Andrewsgal said:

This is the thing that kills me about this thread. You have no idea your child can climb out of a crib until they do. You have no idea your child can unlock a door until they do. You have no IDE a child can reach or shoot a gun well until they do.

For my own purposes there is no way my child was able to get to my weapons. He would have to climb out of the crib (possible), open his door (only possible if he was also able to move an object to stand on to reach the knob and then be smart enough to move the object out of the way to open the door completely- so we will say probable), and then come open my door (impossible as i always lock my bedroom door when my husband is out of town).

Other mothers may have a very similar set up. Don't assume you are the only one who thinks about child safety.

I'm sorry but I have to ask. Why do you lock your door when your husband is out of town and your child is in the other room?

nikki912 · August 2013

Andrewsgal said:

This is the thing that kills me about this thread. You have no idea your child can climb out of a crib until they do. You have no idea your child can unlock a door until they do. You have no IDE a child can reach or shoot a gun well until they do.

For my own purposes there is no way my child was able to get to my weapons. He would have to climb out of the crib (possible), open his door (only possible if he was also able to move an object to stand on to reach the knob and then be smart enough to move the object out of the way to open the door completely- so we will say probable), and then come open my door (impossible as i always lock my bedroom door when my husband is out of town).
Other mothers may have a very similar set up. Don't assume you are the only one who thinks about child safety.
I'm sorry but I have to ask. Why do you lock your door when your husband is out of town and your child is in the other room?

B/C im scared shitless someone will come in and rape me and for some unknown reason locking my bedroom door helps me sleep. I have a video monitor i keep on all night to watch my child. My personal experience based anxiety shouldn't concern you.

amhah09 · August 2013

nikki912 said:

amhah09 said:

nikki912 said:

Andrewsgal said:

This is the thing that kills me about this thread. You have no idea your child can climb out of a crib until they do. You have no idea your child can unlock a door until they do. You have no IDE a child can reach or shoot a gun well until they do.

For my own purposes there is no way my child was able to get to my weapons. He would have to climb out of the crib (possible), open his door (only possible if he was also able to move an object to stand on to reach the knob and then be smart enough to move the object out of the way to open the door completely- so we will say probable), and then come open my door (impossible as i always lock my bedroom door when my husband is out of town).
Other mothers may have a very similar set up. Don't assume you are the only one who thinks about child safety.
I'm sorry but I have to ask. Why do you lock your door when your husband is out of town and your child is in the other room?

amhah09 said:

amhah09 said:
B/C im scared shitless someone will come in and rape me and for some unknown reason locking my bedroom door helps me sleep. I have a video monitor i keep on all night to watch my child. My personal experience based anxiety shouldn't concern you.

I was actually genuinely curious what your reasoning was. I get irrational fears when my husband is out of town as well but I never could seem to shut my door with my kids in separate rooms because if I started thinking about someone coming into my house and not being able to get into my room then their next step would be to enter my kids' rooms. I would much rather someone enter my room than my kids, especially if I had a gun that I kept for exactly that reason. I just keep a toddler size golf club next to my bed.

bornmommy · August 2013

Does anyone else find it quizzical that women who are currently creating life within themselves are also willing to take someone else's life? I would give my life in a blink of an eye for my child, but I am not willing to take someone else's.

I'm sorry but, really? This comment is just absurd. We are pro-gun in my household and my husband has his concealed. In NO WAY does that make him willing to take someone else's life. Still, you better believe if its between saving me or our son and saving the person trying to harm us, he'll be shooting that asshole in center mass, no hesitations. Oh and me, as a pregnant woman and a mother, would have the same reaction.

hlm184 · August 2013

jsoubel said:

Does anyone else find it quizzical that women who are currently creating life within themselves are also willing to take someone else's life? I would give my life in a blink of an eye for my child, but I am not willing to take someone else's.

What does that have to do with anything?

I'm willing to DEFEND my life and my child's. If that requires taking someone else's, within the boundaries of legal self defense, sure.

nikki912 · August 2013

Andrewsgal said:

This is the thing that kills me about this thread. You have no idea your child can climb out of a crib until they do. You have no idea your child can unlock a door until they do. You have no IDE a child can reach or shoot a gun well until they do.

For my own purposes there is no way my child was able to get to my weapons. He would have to climb out of the crib (possible), open his door (only possible if he was also able to move an object to stand on to reach the knob and then be smart enough to move the object out of the way to open the door completely- so we will say probable), and then come open my door (impossible as i always lock my bedroom door when my husband is out of town).
Other mothers may have a very similar set up. Don't assume you are the only one who thinks about child safety.
I'm sorry but I have to ask. Why do you lock your door when your husband is out of town and your child is in the other room?

B/C im scared shitless someone will come in and rape me and for some unknown reason locking my bedroom door helps me sleep. I have a video monitor i keep on all night to watch my child. My personal experience based anxiety shouldn't concern you.

I was actually genuinely curious what your reasoning was. I get irrational fears when my husband is out of town as well but I never could seem to shut my door with my kids in separate rooms because if I started thinking about someone coming into my house and not being able to get into my room then their next step would be to enter my kids' rooms. I would much rather someone enter my room than my kids, especially if I had a gun that I kept for exactly that reason. I just keep a toddler size golf club next to my bed.

ive thought about this and i realized with my video monitor system (that goes off if there is noise in the hallway) i felt confident that i would be able to wake-up before my son would be in danger. However irrational that may be- i'd prefer not to talk about it anymore since i finally found a system that makes me feel safe enough to sleep!

amhah09 · August 2013

Edited: mobile gif fail

nikki912 · August 2013

HilarityEnsued said:

Why the eff would you lock your bedroom door when your kid is in the other room?

see above.

ETA: my kid was in a crib and could barely walk when this situation happened- its not like he was going to try and get in anyway.

hlm184 · August 2013

There's a joke about an old lady who gets pulled over and explains to the cops about all the guns she has in the car. He asks "what are you afraid of, ma'am?"

"Not a damn thing."

Seriously, it's not about fear or paranoia. It's about being prepared.

amhah09 · August 2013

nikki912 said:

amhah09 said:

nikki912 said:

amhah09 said:

nikki912 said:

Andrewsgal said:

This is the thing that kills me about this thread. You have no idea your child can climb out of a crib until they do. You have no idea your child can unlock a door until they do. You have no IDE a child can reach or shoot a gun well until they do.

For my own purposes there is no way my child was able to get to my weapons. He would have to climb out of the crib (possible), open his door (only possible if he was also able to move an object to stand on to reach the knob and then be smart enough to move the object out of the way to open the door completely- so we will say probable), and then come open my door (impossible as i always lock my bedroom door when my husband is out of town).
Other mothers may have a very similar set up. Don't assume you are the only one who thinks about child safety.
I'm sorry but I have to ask. Why do you lock your door when your husband is out of town and your child is in the other room?

amhah09 said:

amhah09 said:
B/C im scared shitless someone will come in and rape me and for some unknown reason locking my bedroom door helps me sleep. I have a video monitor i keep on all night to watch my child. My personal experience based anxiety shouldn't concern you.

I was actually genuinely curious what your reasoning was. I get irrational fears when my husband is out of town as well but I never could seem to shut my door with my kids in separate rooms because if I started thinking about someone coming into my house and not being able to get into my room then their next step would be to enter my kids' rooms. I would much rather someone enter my room than my kids, especially if I had a gun that I kept for exactly that reason. I just keep a toddler size golf club next to my bed.

ive thought about this and i realized with my video monitor system (that goes off if there is noise in the hallway) i felt confident that i would be able to wake-up before my son would be in danger. However irrational that may be- i'd prefer not to talk about it anymore since i finally found a system that makes me feel safe enough to sleep!

If it helps you sleep at night...

I could just imagine fumbling at my locked door in a panicked half asleep state and not being able to get to the intruder/my child before said intruder had them.

FYI - you aren't the only one here with personal experience-based anxiety but I still couldn't imagine leaving my child exposed while I was locked in my room, video camera and gun or not.

ZebNMichelle · August 2013

Zeb has a 45. I don't carry a gun but I walk with a body gard? ....

Andrewsgal · August 2013

Perhaps a gun is not the best way to deal with anxiety so overwhelming you lock yourself away from your child. In fact I am sure you should like the last person that should have a gun. Therapy stat!

nikki912 · August 2013

amhah09 said:

Andrewsgal said:

This is the thing that kills me about this thread. You have no idea your child can climb out of a crib until they do. You have no idea your child can unlock a door until they do. You have no IDE a child can reach or shoot a gun well until they do.

For my own purposes there is no way my child was able to get to my weapons. He would have to climb out of the crib (possible), open his door (only possible if he was also able to move an object to stand on to reach the knob and then be smart enough to move the object out of the way to open the door completely- so we will say probable), and then come open my door (impossible as i always lock my bedroom door when my husband is out of town).
Other mothers may have a very similar set up. Don't assume you are the only one who thinks about child safety.
I'm sorry but I have to ask. Why do you lock your door when your husband is out of town and your child is in the other room?

B/C im scared shitless someone will come in and rape me and for some unknown reason locking my bedroom door helps me sleep. I have a video monitor i keep on all night to watch my child. My personal experience based anxiety shouldn't concern you.

I was actually genuinely curious what your reasoning was. I get irrational fears when my husband is out of town as well but I never could seem to shut my door with my kids in separate rooms because if I started thinking about someone coming into my house and not being able to get into my room then their next step would be to enter my kids' rooms. I would much rather someone enter my room than my kids, especially if I had a gun that I kept for exactly that reason. I just keep a toddler size golf club next to my bed.

ive thought about this and i realized with my video monitor system (that goes off if there is noise in the hallway) i felt confident that i would be able to wake-up before my son would be in danger. However irrational that may be- i'd prefer not to talk about it anymore since i finally found a system that makes me feel safe enough to sleep!

If it helps you sleep at night... I could just imagine fumbling at my locked door in a panicked half asleep state and not being able to get to the intruder/my child before said intruder had them. FYI - you aren't the only one here with personal experience-based anxiety but I still couldn't imagine leaving my child exposed while I was locked in my room, video camera and gun or not.

it was a push lock. no fumbling required. and yes im aware that someone could easily open it with a pin. But why is my anxiety relief the sudden topic here?

i take it all back, you were all right and i was completely wrong. Ill never do it again. Let it go.

amhah09 · August 2013

Edited: dropping this

melzh · August 2013

I enjoy that if something were to arrise I can protect myself it is not about living in fear at all. However I know I cannot control other people's actions. I can ready myself because yelling NO STOP DONT HURT ME only goes so far when someone is in your house with a gun or knife. Will it happen? Probably not. Do I want to find out the hard way? No.

DemoDoll · August 2013

C_mo said:

I've been summoned here by @DemoDoll

That is all

I love you CMo!

mom2pottamus · August 2013

melzh said:

1- if I was on a playdate with you at the park you would not know I was carrying on most days.

This is the most disturbing thing I have ever read.

hlm184 · August 2013

mom2pottamus said:

melzh said:

1- if I was on a playdate with you at the park you would not know I was carrying on most days.

This is the most disturbing thing I have ever read.

How is that disturbing? Concealed means concealed. If you can't see it, how would you know it's there?

The only time I mention it is if I am going to someone's house and am required to by law (only some states require this).

chrismarc1492 · August 2013

I am so glad I live in a country that I don't need to wonder if just random people walking down the street are carrying. This, I am sorry, is crazy. The thought of so many people carrying guns around is terrifying to me personally.

Andrewsgal · August 2013

hlm184 said:

mom2pottamus said:

melzh said:

1- if I was on a playdate with you at the park you would not know I was carrying on most days.

This is the most disturbing thing I have ever read.

How is that disturbing? Concealed means concealed. If you can't see it, how would you know it's there?

The only time I mention it is if I am going to someone's house and am required to by law (only some states require this).

I would be livid like hit the ceiling livid if someone though they could carry while in my house around my kids. Not only would you never be invited over again I would make sure every mom with a kid my age in a 50 mike vicinity knew you were CC.

mom2pottamus · August 2013

hlm184 said:

mom2pottamus said:

melzh said:

1- if I was on a playdate with you at the park you would not know I was carrying on most days.

This is the most disturbing thing I have ever read.

How is that disturbing? Concealed means concealed. If you can't see it, how would you know it's there?

The only time I mention it is if I am going to someone's house and am required to by law (only some states require this).

The bolded part that says you can't see it MOST days. That doesn't mean concealed to me.

Also not being told someone who I was with is carrying a gun AROUND MY CHILDREN is fucking obnoxious.

You can tote your gun on playdates and be fine with it but I don't have to be.

edited

Andrewsgal · August 2013

I also agree that you jerks who choose to carry around my kids royally piss me off. If you want to carry fine, but keep your loaded gun away from my children.

ldsmith2213 · August 2013

I’m not so disillusioned to believe that anything I say on an internet forum will change your mind regarding the use of firearms for you and your loved one’s safety. However, let me remind you of a few things and at the same time, bring some of you back to reality. If you want to skip the actual evidence and see my summary below, you’ll get the basic idea of my post.

1. There are bad people in the world (I know, this is a surprise to many of you).
2. Bad people (see #1) can, will, and want to do bad/evil things to good people (i.e. the ladies of this forum).
3. Here in America (for you Canadians and uneducated Americans), we have the constitutionally protected right as an individual to bear arms (see the 2008 DC v Heller SCOTUS decision). You should accept this as the fact it is, and not try to argue with me over your interpretation of Constitutional law.
4. In regards to #3, it is a right, not a requirement. If you choose NOT to carry a firearm, that’s fine. If I choose to carry a firearm, that is also fine. You don’t criticize me for my choice, and I won’t criticize you for your choice.
5. A firearm is a safe and reasonable means of protection (https://gunssavelives.net/) when bad people (#1) try to do bad things to good people (#2). Obviously, I can’t shoot someone for calling me names. That would be “illegal,” there are laws against that. There are also laws against speeding, doing cocaine, and beating your elderly grandmother; but these things happen, just like people do dumb stuff with guns. Saying you should outlaw guns because people break the law is equivalent to saying we should outlaw cars, straws (for snorting crack), and grandchildren because people do illegal things with them. If someone does something stupid with a gun, the person should be punished as allowed by law.
6. There are other methods of self-protection that are just as reasonable and valid as owning a firearm (https://www.taser.com/, https://www.mace.com/, etc.). If you are uncomfortable using a firearm, I suggest you look into these methods. If you are uncomfortable using even those methods, please by all means, see my summary below.
7. While firearms can be dangerous, they are not as dangerous as many of you have alluded to in this thread. If you take the time to look at the evidence (and not the nightly news); you would find that youngster death attributed to firearms is much lower than many of you have suggested. For instance; “firearm suicide” only becomes ranked at all as the #5 reasons for death when your child becomes age 10-14 (https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_Unintentional_Deaths_2010-a.pdf). Prior to this, firearm suicide doesn’t make the list. In fact, firearms related child death occurs at such a low rate, the CDC has failed to list steps to reduce child death by firearm in their 2007 Nation Action Plan for Reducing Childhood Unintentional Injuries, nor do they address firearms in the “Child Injuries are Preventable” section of their website (https://www.cdc.gov/safechild/NAP/background.html). My guess is, if firearms really were a significant threat to children, the CDC and other agencies would offer more guidance on them.

In summary, firearms aren’t the evil many of you believe they are. If you really want to support a cause that is likely to address the reasons most children lose their lives, donate money to, or volunteer your time with congenital deformity/disease gouprs, motor-vehicle accident groups, or swimming pool safety groups.

For those of you who choose not to carry any means of protection, I offer you the words of wisdom from a Colorado university as your last line of defense. When you find yourself shoved into the back of your SUV by an angry, aggressive, and unrelenting attacker hell-bent on unleashing his will on you, leaving you sexually, physically, and emotionally scarred for life try telling him you have a disease or vomiting on him. I’m sure it will help. And remember most importantly … when seconds matter most; the police are only a few minutes away.

ldsmith2213 · August 2013

And for the record ...

If my child was on a play date with you and you didn't have a means of protection; I wouldn't want him around you. It be way to easy for someone to grab him and run off while you called the police.

Andrewsgal · August 2013

Give me an fucking break yes you have the right to carry a loaded weapon around children I have just as much righ to judge the shit out of you for it. Oh and we are responsible gun owners, so there blows your everyone against the, is uneducated and scared.

mrsfrytobe · August 2013

Do y'all people not watch the news? Do you really think we live in the land of puppies and rainbows? There are some serious sick people in our world! I have a gun by my bed and one in my car and a 24 gun safe loaded to the brim of nearly any kind of firearm you can think of! I grew up with guns and will bring my child into this world knowing everything there is to know about guns! You don't like guns, don't own one. Guns dont kill people! People kill people! Guns have so many safety options nowadays, but the whole point is to teach your child gun safety! And for the whole "someone growing a life, taking one..." You try to harm me or my family, or come onto my property unwelcomed, you won't be leaving alive I can promise you that! It's sad that we live in a world like this but reality check we do! If you feel safe protecting your family with a bat by your bed.. All power to ya! But as for me and my family, we will continue to be a pro gun family!

ldsmith2213 · August 2013

I didn't say you were uneducated and scared; you're comments made you seem uninformed.

Also, if you want to have a discussion about the facts I presented (how guns aren't as dangerous to children as you and others have implied, etc.); I'm happy to oblige. Otherwise, your profanity laced (another reason I wouldn't want you around my children) and emotional reaction is invalid.

Oh, do you feel me judging you? Because I am.

Andrewsgal · August 2013

You can judge me all you want as long as you keep your paranoia and loaded weapons away from my child.

Amazing that the majority of us have survived for 30 something years without having to shoot someone in this crazy world.

MyLuckyCharms · August 2013

so now its bad to have a playdate WITHOUT a loaded gun? lol

dear gun-toting loonies: be batshit crazy all you want but please please PLEASE stay very, very far the fvck away from my child and future child(ren). Thank you.

ldsmith2213 · August 2013

melzh said:

I usually carry with a belt holster. With my expanding belly my belt will soon not fit. I am thinking of investing in the thigh holster or the over-shoulder ones... both are pretty expensive comjng in over $100 for my choice gun. My question is if any mamas have experience with either of these type holsters.

To the OP; I was just talking to my husband and he brought up the idea of a belly band holster? Most guys wear the gun in the middle when they wear them, but we could rotate the holster to our shooting hand. I know they make them to go around some pretty big dude-belly's so, hopefully we can find one to fit? Obviously, I haven't tried the idea, and don't know anyone that does. But it's something to think about.

nikki912 · August 2013

Holls2011 said:

The thought of someone carrying a loaded gun in their diaper bag or purse around at a park near my kid scares me more than there actually being a need for the gun.

lyndsihutson · August 2013

Well, I am not going to read 7 pages of nonsense but I will say that I always have my .380 LCP with me at all times in public and my Glock 40 easily available at home. There are FAR too many Home invasions and public armed robberies. I have no problem choosing to end your life over you ending mine. That said, OP, I kept mine in my bag or in a little pouch in my hand while getting gas. And for those who are wondering if anyone has a REASON to carry. My dad had a man open fire on him and hold a group of people hostage at gun point in 2011. I have also been in a situation at a gas station where i was being ambushed. Luckily i got out of there quickly because i didnt have a gun on me. Wont make that mistake again with my child especially. Not in this day and age!

rockyrollgirl · August 2013

ldsmith2213 said:
And for the record ...

If my child was on a play date with you and you didn't have a means of protection; I wouldn't want him around you. It be way to easy for someone to grab him and run off while you called the police.

And just when I thought this thread could not possibly get more crazy.....

mrsfrytobe · August 2013

I wish I lived in a country that needed guns only for hunting! I'd also rather have a gun and not need it rather than need one and not have one.

ldsmith2213 · August 2013

LoisLayn23 said:

C_mo said:

Interjecting here again... I haven't read all of the responses so bare with me.

As a Canadian gun owner, I cannot imagine having loaded guns around my kids... like, at all. All of our guns are kept safely stored and unloaded unless they are going to be used imminently for hunting. I cannot imagine owning a gun for the purpose of harming another person, for protection or otherwise. I guess its a cultural thing, but I cannot imagine being so scared of the people around me to carry a gun with me. Ever.

I know this doesn't really apply to these BSC women tossing guns in their diaper bags, but DH carries everywhere. He is a police officer and having his off duty weapon on his person is part of getting dressed every day. It's not about fear. It's about preparedness, and the reason he carries isn't for personal protection. It's because if something catastrophic were to happen, he would be called to action to protect others, the general public, whoever is in imminent danger. He took an oath to protect people, not just our family.

Are you looney enough to actually believe that a police office doesn't carry a gun for "protection" of himself? You think he carries it because it evens out the weight of his radio on the other hip? PUUHHHLLLEEAASSEEE. Police officers are issued guns to protect themselves firstly, and others if they can. Are you even aware that not too long ago the Supreme Court ruled the police have no DUTY to protect the citizens (2005 SCOTUS decision).

hlm184 · August 2013

ldsmith2213 said:

melzh said:

I usually carry with a belt holster. With my expanding belly my belt will soon not fit. I am thinking of investing in the thigh holster or the over-shoulder ones... both are pretty expensive comjng in over $100 for my choice gun. My question is if any mamas have experience with either of these type holsters.

To the OP; I was just talking to my husband and he brought up the idea of a belly band holster? Most guys wear the gun in the middle when they wear them, but we could rotate the holster to our shooting hand. I know they make them to go around some pretty big dude-belly's so, hopefully we can find one to fit? Obviously, I haven't tried the idea, and don't know anyone that does. But it's something to think about.

To get things back on track...

I have a belly band. I don't recommend it. It relies on tension around your belly, I can't imagine that would be comfortable. Additionally, I personally am not confident enough with the configuration of the holster to carry in condition 1.

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