open/conceal carry

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ldsmith2213 said:

I’m not so disillusioned to believe that anything I say on an internet forum will change your mind regarding the use of firearms for you and your loved one’s safety.  However, let me remind you of a few things and at the same time, bring some of you back to reality.  If you want to skip the actual evidence and see my summary below, you’ll get the basic idea of my post.

1. There are bad people in the world (I know, this is a surprise to many of you).
2. Bad people (see #1) can, will, and want to do bad/evil things to good people (i.e. the ladies of this forum).
3. Here in America (for you Canadians and uneducated Americans), we have the constitutionally protected right as an individual to bear arms (see the 2008 DC v Heller SCOTUS decision).  You should accept this as the fact it is, and not try to argue with me over your interpretation of Constitutional law.
4. In regards to #3, it is a right, not a requirement.  If you choose NOT to carry a firearm, that’s fine.  If I choose to carry a firearm, that is also fine.  You don’t criticize me for my choice, and I won’t criticize you for your choice.
5. A firearm is a safe and reasonable means of protection (https://gunssavelives.net/) when bad people (#1) try to do bad things to good people (#2).  Obviously, I can’t shoot someone for calling me names.  That would be “illegal,” there are laws against that.  There are also laws against speeding, doing cocaine, and beating your elderly grandmother; but these things happen, just like people do dumb stuff with guns.  Saying you should outlaw guns because people break the law is equivalent to saying we should outlaw cars, straws (for snorting crack), and grandchildren because people do illegal things with them.  If someone does something stupid with a gun, the person should be punished as allowed by law.
6. There are other methods of self-protection that are just as reasonable and valid as owning a firearm (https://www.taser.com/, https://www.mace.com/, etc.).  If you are uncomfortable using a firearm, I suggest you look into these methods.  If you are uncomfortable using even those methods, please by all means, see my summary below.
7. While firearms can be dangerous, they are not as dangerous as many of you have alluded to in this thread.  If you take the time to look at the evidence (and not the nightly news); you would find that youngster death attributed to firearms is much lower than many of you have suggested.  For instance; “firearm suicide” only becomes ranked at all as the #5 reasons for death when your child becomes age 10-14 (https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_Unintentional_Deaths_2010-a.pdf). Prior to this, firearm suicide doesn’t make the list.  In fact, firearms related child death occurs at such a low rate, the CDC has failed to list steps to reduce child death by firearm in their 2007 Nation Action Plan for Reducing Childhood Unintentional Injuries, nor do they address firearms in the “Child Injuries are Preventable” section of their website (https://www.cdc.gov/safechild/NAP/background.html).  My guess is, if firearms really were a significant threat to children, the CDC and other agencies would offer more guidance on them. 

In summary, firearms aren’t the evil many of you believe they are.  If you really want to support a cause that is likely to address the reasons most children lose their lives, donate money to, or volunteer your time with congenital deformity/disease gouprs, motor-vehicle accident groups, or swimming pool safety groups. 

For those of you who choose not to carry any means of protection, I offer you the words of wisdom from a Colorado university as your last line of defense.  When you find yourself shoved into the back of your SUV by an angry, aggressive, and unrelenting attacker hell-bent on unleashing his will on you, leaving you sexually, physically, and emotionally scarred for life try telling him you have a disease or vomiting on him.  I’m sure it will help.  And remember most importantly … when seconds matter most; the police are only a few minutes away. 

All of this.

Minipenguin

You are all crazier than a bag of wet cats.

nikki912

amhah09 said:

nikki912 said:

amhah09 said:

nikki912 said:

amhah09 said:

Crazies as in someone that responds to only debate threads and gets irrationally upset over things they cannot control? 

Or just the people you disagree with? 

I'm thinking the ones who carry guns in their diaper bags...to play dates. Or the ones who don't want their kids in my care because I *don't* have a gun. Or the ones who are scared of an intruder so they lock themselves in their bedroom at night...while their child is exposed in the other room.

Thanks for this. As i've already stated, my door had a push lock and would be no harder to open than a door that was just closed. its not like i left the front door open with a sign that says- "Hey take my kid but leave me alone." What silly thing i do for peace of mind and has absolutely no ill effect on my child, should not incite ridicule. You are hung up on a situation that doesn't even exist. 

Doesn't mean I don't think it's absurd. 

okay well you are entitled to your own opinion. Even if its unfair. 

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amhah09 said:

Goodness you are missing the point entirely. What I find absurd is locking yourself in a room with your child in the other room, not that locking your door at night makes you feel safe. In none of those other instances are those women putting themselves before their child. I don't care if you think it doesn't hinder your ability to get to your kid. If you think running through an open door isn't any faster than having to stop and open one whether it is locked or not then you are mistaken. Even if it only slows you down slightly you cannot deny that it doesn't hinder you in some way and that it is still an obstacle between you and your child.

Well then we are talking about sleeping preferences. Am I the only parent that closes my child's door and my own whether I am alone or not? If I am then I would reconsider this practice but closing bedroom doors at night is how I and my husband were
raised.

ETA: this is also with a baby monitor-if I didn't have one I would sleep with the doors open.

amhah09

@nikki912 FFS I'm not talking sleeping preference. I'm talking about you being so terrified that someone is going to come into your house at night that you lock yourself in your room. Which is fine...if you didn't have a child down the hall. If you're so scared that someone's going to come into your house (and I can relate to that) then what is your protection for your child? Your locked door serves as an obstacle between you and that child. If you see an intruder in the hall on your video monitor then that intruder is getting to your kid faster than you are.

If you take away the fear of an intruder then I DGAF if you sleep with your doors closed or not. I find that odd, but like you said, other people were raised that way.

AcaAwkward

Damn. I take DD swimming for 2 hours and SHIT BLOWS UP.

nikki912

amhah09 said:

@nikki912 FFS I'm not talking sleeping preference. I'm talking about you being so terrified that someone is going to come into your house at night that you lock yourself in your room. Which is fine...if you didn't have a child down the hall. If you're so scared that someone's going to come into your house (and I can relate to that) then what is your protection for your child? Your locked door serves as an obstacle between you and that child. If you see an intruder in the hall on your video monitor then that intruder is getting to your kid faster than you are.

If you take away the fear of an intruder then I DGAF if you sleep with your doors closed or not. I find that odd, but like you said, other people were raised that way.

Since you couldn't possibly understand my exact situation or the layout of my house or the confidence I have in my ability to wake up if a car door slams outside, this conversation Is worthless.

I have never and would never put myself before my child.

sleepy33

Minipenguin

nikki912 said:

@nikki912 FFS I'm not talking sleeping preference. I'm talking about you being so terrified that someone is going to come into your house at night that you lock yourself in your room. Which is fine...if you didn't have a child down the hall. If you're so scared that someone's going to come into your house (and I can relate to that) then what is your protection for your child? Your locked door serves as an obstacle between you and that child. If you see an intruder in the hall on your video monitor then that intruder is getting to your kid faster than you are. If you take away the fear of an intruder then I DGAF if you sleep with your doors closed or not. I find that odd, but like you said, other people were raised that way.

Since you couldn't possibly understand my exact situation or the layout of my house or the confidence I have in my ability to wake up if a car door slams outside, this conversation Is worthless. I have never and would never put myself before my child.

Do serial killer rapists usually slam their doors?

Amjoy25

Minipenguin said:

You are all crazier than a bag of wet cats.

Minipenguin

nikki912 said:

Minipenguin said:

nikki912 said:

@nikki912 FFS I'm not talking sleeping preference. I'm talking about you being so terrified that someone is going to come into your house at night that you lock yourself in your room. Which is fine...if you didn't have a child down the hall. If you're so scared that someone's going to come into your house (and I can relate to that) then what is your protection for your child? Your locked door serves as an obstacle between you and that child. If you see an intruder in the hall on your video monitor then that intruder is getting to your kid faster than you are. If you take away the fear of an intruder then I DGAF if you sleep with your doors closed or not. I find that odd, but like you said, other people were raised that way.

Since you couldn't possibly understand my exact situation or the layout of my house or the confidence I have in my ability to wake up if a car door slams outside, this conversation Is worthless. I have never and would never put myself before my child.

Do serial killer rapists usually slam their doors?

Flagged for bullying. And being a fucking lunatic.

amhah09

nikki912 said:

amhah09 said:

@nikki912 FFS I'm not talking sleeping preference. I'm talking about you being so terrified that someone is going to come into your house at night that you lock yourself in your room. Which is fine...if you didn't have a child down the hall. If you're so scared that someone's going to come into your house (and I can relate to that) then what is your protection for your child? Your locked door serves as an obstacle between you and that child. If you see an intruder in the hall on your video monitor then that intruder is getting to your kid faster than you are.

If you take away the fear of an intruder then I DGAF if you sleep with your doors closed or not. I find that odd, but like you said, other people were raised that way.

Since you couldn't possibly understand my exact situation or the layout of my house or the confidence I have in my ability to wake up if a car door slams outside, this conversation Is worthless.

I have never and would never put myself before my child.

Okay so stop defending yourself. You're not going to change my mind, I think it's crazy. My opinion of the matter isn't going to change how you sleep at night and I don't expect it to. Your continued explanations only make me think it's more crazy that you are not seeing the issue.

nikki912

Minipenguin said:

nikki912 said:

Minipenguin said:

nikki912 said:

@nikki912 FFS I'm not talking sleeping preference. I'm talking about you being so terrified that someone is going to come into your house at night that you lock yourself in your room. Which is fine...if you didn't have a child down the hall. If you're so scared that someone's going to come into your house (and I can relate to that) then what is your protection for your child? Your locked door serves as an obstacle between you and that child. If you see an intruder in the hall on your video monitor then that intruder is getting to your kid faster than you are. If you take away the fear of an intruder then I DGAF if you sleep with your doors closed or not. I find that odd, but like you said, other people were raised that way.

Since you couldn't possibly understand my exact situation or the layout of my house or the confidence I have in my ability to wake up if a car door slams outside, this conversation Is worthless. I have never and would never put myself before my child.

Do serial killer rapists usually slam their doors?

Flagged for bullying. And being a fucking lunatic.

I havent said a single crazy thing on this thread, some may have disagreed with what ive said but im not a lunatic.  i dont know why you felt the need to come into a thread you werent apart of and try to make me feel like an idiot when i have been nothing but respectful to everyone else on this thread. 

as for your snark- i was talking about neighbors- not serial rapists.

Minipenguin

@nikki912 Sorry, I didn't realize this was a private thread. Usually I use e-mail when I have things I don't want strangers commenting on but I can see why that would be a hassle.

Also not sure what the neighbor's car has to do with your loaded gun, locked door, and defenseless kid.

Heeb918

Minipenguin said:

nikki912 said:

Minipenguin said:

nikki912 said:

@nikki912 FFS I'm not talking sleeping preference. I'm talking about you being so terrified that someone is going to come into your house at night that you lock yourself in your room. Which is fine...if you didn't have a child down the hall. If you're so scared that someone's going to come into your house (and I can relate to that) then what is your protection for your child? Your locked door serves as an obstacle between you and that child. If you see an intruder in the hall on your video monitor then that intruder is getting to your kid faster than you are. If you take away the fear of an intruder then I DGAF if you sleep with your doors closed or not. I find that odd, but like you said, other people were raised that way.

Since you couldn't possibly understand my exact situation or the layout of my house or the confidence I have in my ability to wake up if a car door slams outside, this conversation Is worthless. I have never and would never put myself before my child.

Do serial killer rapists usually slam their doors?

Flagged for bullying. And being a fucking lunatic.

Really cool of you to flag her for defending herself from the actual bullying and then use profanity. Winner.

sleepy33

Your board, as a whole:

amhah09

Minipenguin said:

nikki912 said:

Minipenguin said:

nikki912 said:

amhah09 said:

@nikki912 FFS I'm not talking sleeping preference. I'm talking about you being so terrified that someone is going to come into your house at night that you lock yourself in your room. Which is fine...if you didn't have a child down the hall. If you're so scared that someone's going to come into your house (and I can relate to that) then what is your protection for your child? Your locked door serves as an obstacle between you and that child. If you see an intruder in the hall on your video monitor then that intruder is getting to your kid faster than you are.

If you take away the fear of an intruder then I DGAF if you sleep with your doors closed or not. I find that odd, but like you said, other people were raised that way.

Since you couldn't possibly understand my exact situation or the layout of my house or the confidence I have in my ability to wake up if a car door slams outside, this conversation Is worthless.

I have never and would never put myself before my child.

Do serial killer rapists usually slam their doors?

Flagged for bullying. And being a fucking lunatic.




Totally uncalled for.

nikki912

Minipenguin said:

@nikki912 Sorry, I didn't realize this was a private thread. Usually I use e-mail when I have things I don't want strangers commenting on but I can see why that would be a hassle.

Also not sure what the neighbor's car has to do with your loaded gun, locked door, and defenseless kid.

Way to read a thread- I don't own a gun.

squeakyfrog15

Would y'all leave @nikki912 alone? And please don't get upset with me. I don't expect anything good from this thread, but the constant questioning is not getting you anywhere! So she locks her door with a push button lock...if she bumps the non the wrong way it will unlock. If her child has a nightmare she will hear. Chances are if she locks her door she sleep super light! I know when my hubby is gone for the night every creak wakes me! At the moment his gun is on the floor under his night stand! Will it stay there when we have kids...no but is that your business? Nope:) we haven't talked about it yet so no answers for you. As a second degree black belt I'm prepared to take care of myself...but when I was followed one late night by 5 drunk idiots, I was lucky someone showed up! So am I freaked to be alone yes, should I me messed with or made fun of? No. Just leave her alone and realize this thread isn't going anywhere new. Now lets see what other topics we can ruin!?

ETA: typos...I give up on spelling and autocorrect:/

bkeane619

jovencita1224

I don't carry regularly anymore, but I carried all of the time when I was a LEO. My husband is currently a LEO and he carries almost always and it doesn't bother me. Why?

We live near a major city. Much of the crime is committed here by hard core gang members. A bunch of the local departments put together a gang task force. One day, the head of the task force got a text message photo of his kid getting on (or off) the school bus. You better believe that most of the cops here, especially those with kids, carry off duty.

bkeane619

BiggerinRealLife

Wow. What I don't understand is why people can't leave well enough alone. I saw this thread when it first came out and read it because I didn't understand the title. When I realized it was for people who carry guns - which is not me - I left because I would have nothing to contribute to the conversation, being that I don't believe in carrying guns. But people are free to discuss whatever they'd like, so long as it's legal, and the OP seemed to be genuinely asking for other gun owner's feedback. Nice convo, I left them to it. I just checked back in because I wanted to see what was making this thread so popular for days on end. And my goodness! Why can't we leave things alone? If someone is talking about something currently legal that we don't happen to agree with, why not just make another thread about how we WON'T be doing whatever the other thread is about and talk about it with people who agree? Why try to sow discord when there doesn't need to be any? Especially since the OP wasn't saying "ok, I've got a gun, let's all buy guns!" she was asking for opinions from people sharing her situation.

Let's put the verbal guns down, call a cease fire, and make peace, people. This board belongs to all of us, and we are a diverse group, indeed. All points of view should be welcomed here. Just maybe not in the same thread.

That may be a little Pollyanna-esque, but that's my two cents.

bkeane619

hlm184

I suppose I shouldn't mention the forum my husband is on where they discuss which diaper bags work best for carrying short barreled rifles, huh?

Tossing a gun randomly into any bag is Not Smart.

However, there are purses and diaper bags that are designed to safely hold a firearm.  So long as the bag is never left unattended, not a problem.

bkeane619

Mrs550

This thread is out of control. You should just carry a brick.....

nikki912

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carolinaBK18

I live in NYC where guns are illegal. I like it that way. The regional differences on this board are really interesting to say the least! 

nikki912

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hlm184

amy052006 said:

hlm184 said:

I suppose I shouldn't mention the forum my husband is on where they discuss which diaper bags work best for carrying short barreled rifles, huh?

Tossing a gun randomly into any bag is Not Smart.

However, there are purses and diaper bags that are designed to safely hold a firearm.  So long as the bag is never left unattended, not a problem.

And again, those of us with older, mobile children have explained to you at great length how there is absolutely no way you can make sure this will never happen on a playground.

Trust me, the first time your kiddo bolts towards the street, you will see.

What I mean by not unattended is quite literally never physically off your person.  You cannot set it down.  Ever.