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April 2014 Moms
open/conceal carry
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Re: open/conceal carry
Highly doubt my 3 year old will figure it out, much less me not wake up the minute she opens her door. I don't just keep it in the open so she can walk in and go "oh mommy a toy!" Then shoot herself. I'm very cautious when it comes to my weapons. They stay locked away when we aren't using them except for the nights H isn't home.
Did you not catch the Army wife bit? We don't always have a lot of options, and time to choose where you live is often very limited, if you even get a chance to have heels on the ground to check it out first.
Your point is invalid. I have to put my kid in the car to get her to school and food from the grocery store so she can eat. I own a car to survive as we have no public transit. Owning a gun is a choice not a necessity.
no please tell me you do not keep a loaded weapon next to your bed. Responsible gun ownership at its finest. This is why people don't believe anyone when they say they are a responsible gun owner.my kids are amazing sleepers yet still come into my room every so often.
We have loaded guns on both side of the bed, in locked safes that can open by key or code.
Unfortunately, reckless assholes can usually find a way to kill people regardless of their weapon of choice....cars, knives, fists...
not as easily. It's much much easier to KILL someone outright and quickly with a gun. I mean you can do it with knives and fists but it's much harder. Especially fists. Very hard to kill someone with your fists.
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You have a valid point definitely, but in your response forgot the whole car thing. Yes...cars. Are we all irresponsible jerks for putting our children in cars every day? I work in a pediatric intensive care unit, and you know what outright and quickly kills my patients?...cars. I'm not saying "oh go sling your gun around on your hip while juggling your bambino on the other", I'm just saying let's think about, statistically, what kills our children? Guns...sure. But car accidents, just for an example, kill them way more often, and we don't necessarily get upset over people driving kids around...even properly restrained! I've also watched several kids die this year because they contracted pertussis (were not vaccinated). There are many, many things that can harm our children.
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Oh come on. You're comparing apples to oranges now. A car's intended purpose is not to kill or injure. #logicfail
And as for this little "debate" about ccw, I live in downtown St. Louis and yes I know it was my choice to live here. When you get to know the city, it's beautiful. That being said, there are also people that live here that try and make this place not so beautiful. I take comfort in knowing that I am always able to defend myself in a world where that is becoming a very real need. I hope that I never have to draw my weapon but I am glad that I have it. That, to me, sounds a hell of a lot better than being unprepared and taken advantage of.
Unfortunately, reckless assholes can usually find a way to kill people regardless of their weapon of choice....cars, knives, fists...
not as easily. It's much much easier to KILL someone outright and quickly with a gun. I mean you can do it with knives and fists but it's much harder. Especially fists. Very hard to kill someone with your fists.
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You have a valid point definitely, but in your response forgot the whole car thing. Yes...cars. Are we all irresponsible jerks for putting our children in cars every day? I work in a pediatric intensive care unit, and you know what outright and quickly kills my patients?...cars. I'm not saying "oh go sling your gun around on your hip while juggling your bambino on the other", I'm just saying let's think about, statistically, what kills our children? Guns...sure. But car accidents, just for an example, kill them way more often, and we don't necessarily get upset over people driving kids around...even properly restrained! I've also watched several kids die this year because they contracted pertussis (were not vaccinated). There are many, many things that can harm our children.
Oh! I forgot ATVs, bicycles (usually vs. car, though), POOLS (biggie!), non-accidental traumas (i.e. child abuse)...
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You have a valid point definitely, but in your response forgot the whole car thing. Yes...cars. Are we all irresponsible jerks for putting our children in cars every day? I work in a pediatric intensive care unit, and you know what outright and quickly kills my patients?...cars. I'm not saying "oh go sling your gun around on your hip while juggling your bambino on the other", I'm just saying let's think about, statistically, what kills our children? Guns...sure. But car accidents, just for an example, kill them way more often, and we don't necessarily get upset over people driving kids around...even properly restrained! I've also watched several kids die this year because they contracted pertussis (were not vaccinated). There are many, many things that can harm our children.
Your point is invalid. I have to put my kid in the car to get her to school and food from the grocery store so she can eat. I own a car to survive as we have no public transit. Owning a gun is a choice not a necessity.
So you think my point that car accidents kill children more often than guns do is invalid? Well...I'd have to disagree. I do agree with you that having a gun is a choice...but...technically having a car could be as well. Why not move to a city with public transit? I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I'm trying to shed light on the fact that guns do not automatically = dead children...bc that seems to be what some folks have extrapolated this thread out to be. Just trying to get people to opens their minds a little. Thanks for reading my responses.
All of those things are not designed to hurt and kill. They are all also deadly when used wrong. I am a big pool safety freak. I am also a gun safety freak. Guns are designed to kill. Pools, cars, bikes not so much. I do however think parents should be held responsible if they are not using any of these responsibility, just like a gun own who carries in her diaper bag or purse.
Haha yes I agree with you! I thought that night warrant a response like that...sorry! I know my stance and have no desire to hash it out with others. So don't worry, you won't see me partaking in those conversations.
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You have a valid point definitely, but in your response forgot the whole car thing. Yes...cars. Are we all irresponsible jerks for putting our children in cars every day? I work in a pediatric intensive care unit, and you know what outright and quickly kills my patients?...cars. I'm not saying "oh go sling your gun around on your hip while juggling your bambino on the other", I'm just saying let's think about, statistically, what kills our children? Guns...sure. But car accidents, just for an example, kill them way more often, and we don't necessarily get upset over people driving kids around...even properly restrained! I've also watched several kids die this year because they contracted pertussis (were not vaccinated). There are many, many things that can harm our children.
Your point is invalid. I have to put my kid in the car to get her to school and food from the grocery store so she can eat. I own a car to survive as we have no public transit. Owning a gun is a choice not a necessity.
So you think my point that car accidents kill children more often than guns do is invalid? Well...I'd have to disagree. I do agree with you that having a gun is a choice...but...technically having a car could be as well. Why not move to a city with public transit? I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I'm trying to shed light on the fact that guns do not automatically = dead children...bc that seems to be what some folks have extrapolated this thread out to be. Just trying to get people to opens their minds a little. Thanks for reading my responses.
To me, the major difference is that we take measures to add protection to our children in vehicles. There are car seat laws, AAP recommendations, and an abundance of other resources and guidelines. There are also traffic laws. When children are killed in car accidents it's because one or more of these laws and guidelines were not followed. There was a drunk driver on the road, the 2 year old was in a booster seat, the driver ran a red light, etc. Children aren't just killed in fender benders.
If I put my 15 month old who weighs 18 lbs in a FF car seat and then run a red light and get hit by a semi then I broke up a couple laws there and put my child at risk and that could have been avoided. If I have a permit and carry a loaded weapon to the grocery store and it misfires while I'm putting her in her car seat or someone comes up behind me while I'm buckling her in and takes my gun from me then where was the error? I didn't technically break any laws. I just used poor judgment.
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You have a valid point definitely, but in your response forgot the whole car thing. Yes...cars. Are we all irresponsible jerks for putting our children in cars every day? I work in a pediatric intensive care unit, and you know what outright and quickly kills my patients?...cars. I'm not saying "oh go sling your gun around on your hip while juggling your bambino on the other", I'm just saying let's think about, statistically, what kills our children? Guns...sure. But car accidents, just for an example, kill them way more often, and we don't necessarily get upset over people driving kids around...even properly restrained! I've also watched several kids die this year because they contracted pertussis (were not vaccinated). There are many, many things that can harm our children.
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Oh come on. You're comparing apples to oranges now. A car's intended purpose is not to kill or injure. #logicfail
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While a car's original purpose may not have been to injure, would you not agree they probably cause more deaths of children per year than guns do? Yet again, my point was simply that there are more commonplace things to be worried about IMHO...a point that keeps being missed no matter how kindly or respectfully I attempt to convey it. I am more worried about my child drowning, or getting kill in a car accident, than I am about him or her being gunned down. The intent of said "weapon" matters not to me in respect to what worries me the most. Never said you had to agree. Nor do I particularly care if you do, frankly.
#snarkyarentwe?
I don't think the founders of the constitution were thinking that they should give mom the right to pack heat in her diaper bag when she took her kid to the playground.
I can see the other side of this debate. Want to carry your gun to work or even to the city when you and your dh go on a date kid free? Fine by me. Want to keep guns in your house in a safe? Fine. When your children reach the age of reason if you want to bring them to a gun range and teach them safety and/or how to shoot? Super. When people are talking about throwing loaded weapons in their diaper bag, this is not the same thing at all. I think those kind of people don't deserve to have children in their care.
1- if I was on a playdate with you at the park you would not know I was carrying on most days.
2- I have been in TWO places that involved gun fire. My school had a kid shot in front while I was also in front, and the ihop in the town I was living in was shot up while I was next door at the next restaurant.
3- I have made the choice, it took me a long time to decide to carry so I understand the hesitations. This, however was not meant to be a gun debate. It was a question for those of us who made this decision.
And I live in oregon which is HUGE for both conceiled and open carrying.
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You have a valid point definitely, but in your response forgot the whole car thing. Yes...cars. Are we all irresponsible jerks for putting our children in cars every day? I work in a pediatric intensive care unit, and you know what outright and quickly kills my patients?...cars. I'm not saying "oh go sling your gun around on your hip while juggling your bambino on the other", I'm just saying let's think about, statistically, what kills our children? Guns...sure. But car accidents, just for an example, kill them way more often, and we don't necessarily get upset over people driving kids around...even properly restrained! I've also watched several kids die this year because they contracted pertussis (were not vaccinated). There are many, many things that can harm our children.
Oh! I forgot ATVs, bicycles (usually vs. car, though), POOLS (biggie!), non-accidental traumas (i.e. child abuse)...
All of those things are not designed to hurt and kill. They are all also deadly when used wrong. I am a big pool safety freak. I am also a gun safety freak. Guns are designed to kill. Pools, cars, bikes not so much. I do however think parents should be held responsible if they are not using any of these responsibility, just like a gun own who carries in her diaper bag or purse.
I wholeheartedly agree that parents should always be responsible. I didn't really comment on the whole gun in the diaper bag thing because I can't see myself doing that. At this point, I'm not skilled enough with a gun to feel responsible carrying it in that manner. But that's just me. I am not even sure I will ever carry one.
...maybe I'll just get a taser
@navyredhead that is where I grew up. I was robbed there pre owning a gun... you can get a permit but it does take time
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You have a valid point definitely, but in your response forgot the whole car thing. Yes...cars. Are we all irresponsible jerks for putting our children in cars every day? I work in a pediatric intensive care unit, and you know what outright and quickly kills my patients?...cars. I'm not saying "oh go sling your gun around on your hip while juggling your bambino on the other", I'm just saying let's think about, statistically, what kills our children? Guns...sure. But car accidents, just for an example, kill them way more often, and we don't necessarily get upset over people driving kids around...even properly restrained! I've also watched several kids die this year because they contracted pertussis (were not vaccinated). There are many, many things that can harm our children.
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Oh come on. You're comparing apples to oranges now. A car's intended purpose is not to kill or injure. #logicfail
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While a car's original purpose may not have been to injure, would you not agree they probably cause more deaths of children per year than guns do? Yet again, my point was simply that there are more commonplace things to be worried about IMHO...a point that keeps being missed no matter how kindly or respectfully I attempt to convey it. I am more worried about my child drowning, or getting kill in a car accident, than I am about him or her being gunned down. The intent of said "weapon" matters not to me in respect to what worries me the most. Never said you had to agree. Nor do I particularly care if you do, frankly.
#snarkyarentwe?
Yes, I understand your point, and yes, car accidents probably do kill more people per year than guns...I still don't think that's truly relevant to this discussion.
1. If anyone wants to discuss constitutional law and intent of the framers, I'm perfectly willing and able to support my decision.
2. If anyone actually wants to discuss reasons for carrying or safe storage of firearms around children, I am more than happy to do so.
3. If you don't really want to have an actual discussion, don't bother asking me questions.
I do understand completely those of you who dislike, are uncertain about, or otherwise bothered by firearms. I actually took my first class because I wanted a leg to stand on when I told my husband no way was he keeping a gun in our house. That class changed my life.
1- you have to get close to the person (within reach) so it makes it more likely that they can grab the taser from you or hurt you in some other way.
2- the projectile tasers aren't legal (at least in my state) so as soon as you release the taser gun, it is done hurting the person, and again, you are within reach.
Mace burns the skin no matter where it hits so you have a better chance of keeping your distance, spraying the person and making them distracted enough, by pain, for you the escape.
And people talk about trying to hit a moving target with a baby on your hip. Well, for the most part, you would never even need to fire a weapon carried on your person. For most would-be robbers, just having a gun drawn on them is enough. Most sane people at the sight of someone pointing a loaded gun at them are going to turn around and run! Perfect outcome in my mind. And if they don't, it's very safe to assume they aren't sane and are hell bent on causing you bodily harm and that's when I'd pull the trigger.
No one that goes through the trouble of taking a concealed carry class and spending $500-1000 on a firearm is going to just whip it out and start shooting at the first dude that talks to us in a parking lot.
And it's not about fear. I'm not scared. I didn't buy a gun because I fear for my life every day. I bought a gun as insurance. Your house may never flood or burn down, but you buy insurance just in case. It's highly likely that I'll never be robbed or raped or attacked. But in the off chance it does happen, I'm ready.
That's why I own a gun and (sometimes) carry it with me.
So my opinion is really to each their own. DH grew up hunting and always had guns around. I did not. Until I met him it wasn't even something I thought about. We don't currently have one in the house (we store his guns at his parents since that's where he does most of his hunting & there is a locked gun cabinet) but have talked about getting a safe & a hand gun (if/when I take a gun safety course). In order for me to feel comfortable I feel that I would need to make shooting a hobby (such as @Demodoll) and go often and practice on several different targets (moving and not), even then I don't think I would carry it on me (again personal preference). I also want to take some self defense classes because as we've all stated (in one way or another) we are women and are at higher risk for attacks (especially with children) and should know how to defend ourselves and our families.
I do think there has been some red flags to me about carrying guns in purses/diaper bags but I'm not well educated about the subject enough to have an educated opinion. All I know is that I lose just about everything in my purse and cannot for the life of me figure out how I would find it if I needed it! 8-} But I also like the idea of having a safe in your car incase you cannot bring it in somewhere (again very responsible!). Like I said to each their own, I just hope that those that are carrying are doing so legally & responsibly. And I think that if I knew another Mom was carrying on a play date that I would start firing questions at her and if she couldn't come up with what I considered legitimate, responsible, educated answers that I would cut those ties.
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