Newbie Playdate

brookelynpaisley · July 2011

rellicdragon:

Here is my newbie question ...

Do I really need to spend 10 bucks on a pregnancy test each time? Do the Wondfo pregnancy tests work? I am planning to buy like 20 of those of amazon, but I would rather know before ordering ...

Thanks ladies

You don't HAVE to buy any tests. I have only bought them in 3 of 15 cycles. I use temps to identify whether I'm going to need tampons or a pregnancy test.

And yes, plenty of ladies use the Wondfo tests.

bumpuser6119831 · July 2011

Question: I have being using a regular thermometer for the past month and a half and finally got a BBT one today. Should I finish out this cycle using the regular one or switch to using the BBT starting tomorrow? I only ask because I took my temp for fun when I got it and it was 2 degrees higher than what the regular thermometer said.

Thank you!!

misstrish521 · July 2011

Pam MG:
Question: I have being using a regular thermometer for the past month and a half and finally got a BBT one today. Should I finish out this cycle using the regular one or switch to using the BBT starting tomorrow? I only ask because I took my temp for fun when I got it and it was 2 degrees higher than what the regular thermometer said.
Thank you!!

You should finish out your cycle with the one you've been using. Don't ever change thermometers in the middle of your cycle.

KdgTeacher · July 2011

Pam MG:

Question: I have being using a regular thermometer for the past month and a half and finally got a BBT one today. Should I finish out this cycle using the regular one or switch to using the BBT starting tomorrow? I only ask because I took my temp for fun when I got it and it was 2 degrees higher than what the regular thermometer said.

Thank you!!

Yes, I would finish out the cycle on the therm you are already using. If you took your temp with the new one later in the day then it would make total sense that your temp was higher

KdgTeacher · July 2011

brookelynpaisley:
KdgTeacher:
natalie8784:

I have 2 questions tonight.

I have my annual next wednesday, where I will be discussing testing with my OB. What questions should I write down to remember to ask? I'm going to take about my 10-11 day LP's, possible cd 3 BW, and obvioulsy, my CF effecting my CM. Just wondering if I am forgetting anything. I only ask because I know some ladies have seen their RE's lately, and that is my next step.

I have my alarm set for 6am everyday to temp, lately I have been waking at 5am (or around 5). Should I take my temp then, or wait until 6am when I normally temp? Usually the wake up it just to look at the clock and adjust my pillow or something, not actually getting out of bed.

ETA: thought of another question

10-11 day LPs are within normal limits. Do you drink green tea or use Pre-Seed? I'd start with the OB first since you've only been TTC for 8 months.

If you just look at the clock, roll over, and go back to sleep temping at your normal time should be fine.

Although a 10 or 11 day LP is within normal limits, it doesn't mean progesterone isn't low and that it's long enough for an egg to implant. I've had anywhere from 10-12 day LPs, and I have very low progesterone. I think it's a good idea just to check it out.

I didn't tell her not to get anything tested. I said to start with her OB and added in that her LP is normal since she brought it up.

BlueEyedDreamer · July 2011

brookelynpaisley:
KdgTeacher:
natalie8784:

I have 2 questions tonight.
I have my annual next wednesday, where I will be discussing testing with my OB. What questions should I write down to remember to ask? I'm going to take about my 10-11 day LP's, possible cd 3 BW, and obvioulsy, my CF effecting my CM. Just wondering if I am forgetting anything. I only ask because I know some ladies have seen their RE's lately, and that is my next step.
I have my alarm set for 6am everyday to temp, lately I have been waking at 5am (or around 5). Should I take my temp then, or wait until 6am when I normally temp? Usually the wake up it just to look at the clock and adjust my pillow or something, not actually getting out of bed.

ETA: thought of another question
10-11 day LPs are within normal limits. Do you drink green tea or use Pre-Seed? I'd start with the OB first since you've only been TTC for 8 months.
If you just look at the clock, roll over, and go back to sleep temping at your normal time should be fine.
Although a 10 or 11 day LP is within normal limits, it doesn't mean progesterone isn't low and that it's long enough for an egg to implant. I've had anywhere from 10-12 day LPs, and I have very low progesterone. I think it's a good idea just to check it out.

I agree with BP. Some doctors go by the guideline that anything 10+ is fine, but others go by the guideline that anything below 12 is cause for concern. Regardless, a 10-11 day LP is borderline and can indicate an underlying problem, so it's a good idea to get it checked out if you're moving on to testing.

sara99 · July 2011

I highly doubt I'm pregnant due to lack of any real symptoms, but I'm 12 dpo and had my highest temp ever this morning. Are there other reasons for such a big temp spike?

My Ovulation Chart

bumpuser6119831 · July 2011

misstrish521:
Pam MG:
Question: I have being using a regular thermometer for the past month and a half and finally got a BBT one today. Should I finish out this cycle using the regular one or switch to using the BBT starting tomorrow? I only ask because I took my temp for fun when I got it and it was 2 degrees higher than what the regular thermometer said.
Thank you!!
You should finish out your cycle with the one you've been using. Don't ever change thermometers in the middle of your cycle.

That is what I thought but I was excited to have a new toy to play with and to see if I could annoy MH with the beeping

kellydNC · July 2011

Hi! I have two questions!

1) If you O really late in your cycle (day 35+), does this have any effect on egg quality (i.e., are you less likely to get KU, or if you do, are you more likely to m/c or have problems with genetic abnormalities, etc?) I've been trying to find info about this and I'm getting mixed messages.

2) If your temps during the 2WW are low (meaning very close to your coverline or not that much different than your pre-O temps), does that have any significance?

Ok, three questions:

3) I have noticed that if I get up and move around, my temps actually go DOWN instead of up. Is that totally bizarre or just another variation of normal?

THANKS for hosting the playdate, Kdg - and thanks to all who are answering questions

reinstone · July 2011

sara99:
I highly doubt I'm pregnant due to lack of any real symptoms, but I'm 12 dpo and had my highest temp ever this morning. Are there other reasons for such a big temp spike?

My Ovulation Chart

It's certainly possible. The only way to know is to take a test. GL

reinstone · July 2011

kellydNC:
Hi! I have two questions!
1) If you O really late in your cycle (day 35+), does this have any effect on egg quality (i.e., are you less likely to get KU, or if you do, are you more likely to m/c or have problems with genetic abnormalities, etc?) I've been trying to find info about this and I'm getting mixed messages.
Nope, not that I know of.
2) If your temps during the 2WW are low (meaning very close to your coverline or not that much different than your pre-O temps), does that have any significance?
As long as they're above your coverline, they're ok. No significance as long as there is a bi-phasic pattern.
Ok, three questions:
3) I have noticed that if I get up and move around, my temps actually go DOWN instead of up. Is that totally bizarre or just another variation of normal?
That is bizarre. But why are you temping twice/how would you know this?

THANKS for hosting the playdate, Kdg - and thanks to all who are answering questions

KdgTeacher · July 2011

sara99:

I highly doubt I'm pregnant due to lack of any real symptoms, but I'm 12 dpo and had my highest temp ever this morning. Are there other reasons for such a big temp spike?

My Ovulation Chart

I wouldn't call that a big temp spike. I don't know the reason..did you temp later? Drink? Toss and turn?

Take a test. Almost sounds like fishing....

BlueEyedDreamer · July 2011

kellydNC:
Hi! I have two questions!
1) If you O really late in your cycle (day 35+), does this have any effect on egg quality (i.e., are you less likely to get KU, or if you do, are you more likely to m/c or have problems with genetic abnormalities, etc?) I've been trying to find info about this and I'm getting mixed messages.
2) If your temps during the 2WW are low (meaning very close to your coverline or not that much different than your pre-O temps), does that have any significance?
Ok, three questions:
3) I have noticed that if I get up and move around, my temps actually go DOWN instead of up. Is that totally bizarre or just another variation of normal?
THANKS for hosting the playdate, Kdg - and thanks to all who are answering questions

This happens to me, too. I did a lot of experimenting during my first 2 cycles to see what affected my temps. I'm not sure why they go down after I get up and move around - maybe getting out from under the covers and into the a/c? We usually keep the bedroom pretty cool at night. I wouldn't worry about it as long as you temp before you get up and you can see a thermal shift on your chart.

kellydNC · July 2011

reinstone:
kellydNC:
Hi! I have two questions!
1) If you O really late in your cycle (day 35+), does this have any effect on egg quality (i.e., are you less likely to get KU, or if you do, are you more likely to m/c or have problems with genetic abnormalities, etc?) I've been trying to find info about this and I'm getting mixed messages.
Nope, not that I know of.
2) If your temps during the 2WW are low (meaning very close to your coverline or not that much different than your pre-O temps), does that have any significance?
As long as they're above your coverline, they're ok. No significance as long as there is a bi-phasic pattern.
Ok, three questions:
3) I have noticed that if I get up and move around, my temps actually go DOWN instead of up. Is that totally bizarre or just another variation of normal?
That is bizarre. But why are you temping twice/how would you know this?

THANKS for hosting the playdate, Kdg - and thanks to all who are answering questions

I am guilty of temping twice a couple of times for various reasons...I always use the first temp, but I was trying to figure out why my temps were going DOWN after restless sleep. Short story is my DH often wakes up at 5am, and I normally don't get up til 7 - I'm a very light sleeper and when I couldn't ever really fall back asleep and would take my temp at my normal time of 7 after tossing and turning for a couple hours, my temp was always low when I read temps would go up with poor sleep/movement.

Thanks for your responses!

kellydNC · July 2011

BlueEyedDreamer:
kellydNC:
Hi! I have two questions!
1) If you O really late in your cycle (day 35+), does this have any effect on egg quality (i.e., are you less likely to get KU, or if you do, are you more likely to m/c or have problems with genetic abnormalities, etc?) I've been trying to find info about this and I'm getting mixed messages.
2) If your temps during the 2WW are low (meaning very close to your coverline or not that much different than your pre-O temps), does that have any significance?
Ok, three questions:
3) I have noticed that if I get up and move around, my temps actually go DOWN instead of up. Is that totally bizarre or just another variation of normal?
THANKS for hosting the playdate, Kdg - and thanks to all who are answering questions
This happens to me, too. I did a lot of experimenting during my first 2 cycles to see what affected my temps. I'm not sure why they go down after I get up and move around - maybe getting out from under the covers and into the a/c? We usually keep the bedroom pretty cool at night. I wouldn't worry about it as long as you temp before you get up and you can see a thermal shift on your chart.

So glad to know I'm not a complete freak of nature, BlueEyed! Thanks

celestialnyte · July 2011

jaguar2744:
I've had a lot of issues lately with the PCOS. With reading more about it, some of the symptoms I know that I can relate to the PCOS, too many to list here. I just wanted to know if anyone had heard about it. Totally new to all of this and not sure what info to believe or not to. It's all a bit overwhelming.
As for the diet thing, I have tried the metformin and exercise, that's not working. So didn't know what sucuess people had with the Low GI or Low carb plans.
Sorry if I confused anyone.

I am on no carb, no sugar, no gluten diet, not due to PCOS, but for digestive reasons.

I used to be on no carb, no sugar to lose weight, and I lost it fast and furious - but when I fell off the wagon it came back and more.

The hardest part of low gluten, low carb is getting accustomed to what you can and can't eat.

Check out

www.travelinglowcarb.com

www.gfcfrecipes.com

These are both great with awesome hints and tricks --

If you have any q's send me a PM!

reinstone · July 2011

kellydNC:
reinstone:
kellydNC:
Hi! I have two questions!
1) If you O really late in your cycle (day 35+), does this have any effect on egg quality (i.e., are you less likely to get KU, or if you do, are you more likely to m/c or have problems with genetic abnormalities, etc?) I've been trying to find info about this and I'm getting mixed messages.
Nope, not that I know of.
2) If your temps during the 2WW are low (meaning very close to your coverline or not that much different than your pre-O temps), does that have any significance?
As long as they're above your coverline, they're ok. No significance as long as there is a bi-phasic pattern.
Ok, three questions:
3) I have noticed that if I get up and move around, my temps actually go DOWN instead of up. Is that totally bizarre or just another variation of normal?
That is bizarre. But why are you temping twice/how would you know this?

THANKS for hosting the playdate, Kdg - and thanks to all who are answering questions
I am guilty of temping twice a couple of times for various reasons...I always use the first temp, but I was trying to figure out why my temps were going DOWN after restless sleep. Short story is my DH often wakes up at 5am, and I normally don't get up til 7 - I'm a very light sleeper and when I couldn't ever really fall back asleep and would take my temp at my normal time of 7 after tossing and turning for a couple hours, my temp was always low when I read temps would go up with poor sleep/movement.
Thanks for your responses!

I'd ask your husband to shove the BBT in your mouth when he wakes up at 5 and record it for you. That way, you're temping at a consistent time and as you're asleep versus at 7 when you wake up for the day and may or may not have had restless sleep in the previous 2 hours.

brookelynpaisley · July 2011

KdgTeacher:

I didn't tell her not to get anything tested. I said to start with her OB and added in that her LP is normal since she brought it up.

I know you didn't. I just wanted to clarify with my experience. A "normal" LP can still be problematic, so it's good that it's on her mind. I don't think we're giving conflicting info. I was just trying to supplement your advice with my own.

sara99 · July 2011

Seriously? Not fishing; intended to be a legitimate question since in my history of charting, this morning's temp (and the last few) has been the highest I've ever had. And no, I did none of the above this morning.

kellydNC · July 2011

reinstone:
kellydNC:
reinstone:
kellydNC:
Hi! I have two questions!
1) If you O really late in your cycle (day 35+), does this have any effect on egg quality (i.e., are you less likely to get KU, or if you do, are you more likely to m/c or have problems with genetic abnormalities, etc?) I've been trying to find info about this and I'm getting mixed messages.
Nope, not that I know of.
2) If your temps during the 2WW are low (meaning very close to your coverline or not that much different than your pre-O temps), does that have any significance?
As long as they're above your coverline, they're ok. No significance as long as there is a bi-phasic pattern.
Ok, three questions:
3) I have noticed that if I get up and move around, my temps actually go DOWN instead of up. Is that totally bizarre or just another variation of normal?
That is bizarre. But why are you temping twice/how would you know this?

THANKS for hosting the playdate, Kdg - and thanks to all who are answering questions
I am guilty of temping twice a couple of times for various reasons...I always use the first temp, but I was trying to figure out why my temps were going DOWN after restless sleep. Short story is my DH often wakes up at 5am, and I normally don't get up til 7 - I'm a very light sleeper and when I couldn't ever really fall back asleep and would take my temp at my normal time of 7 after tossing and turning for a couple hours, my temp was always low when I read temps would go up with poor sleep/movement.
Thanks for your responses!
I'd ask your husband to shove the BBT in your mouth when he wakes up at 5 and record it for you. That way, you're temping at a consistent time and as you're asleep versus at 7 when you wake up for the day and may or may not have had restless sleep in the previous 2 hours.

Haha I like this suggestion! I actually would like to start temping at 5 am but don't know how to switch midcycle without getting a gazillion open circles on FF. Seems like the limit of how much of a time difference it will allow you is 30 minutes so I'm temping at 6:30 now instead. If this cycle isn't it for us, I am def temping at 5am next go round.

reinstone · July 2011

sara99:
Seriously? Not fishing; intended to be a legitimate question since in my history of charting, this morning's temp (and the last few) has been the highest I've ever had. And no, I did none of the above this morning.

take.a.test.

KdgTeacher · July 2011

reinstone:

sara99:
Seriously? Not fishing; intended to be a legitimate question since in my history of charting, this morning's temp (and the last few) has been the highest I've ever had. And no, I did none of the above this morning.

take.a.test.

This. FWIW, that's generally what fishing is. "I had a temp spike and this has never happened before and my temps have never ever ever ever been this high...what do you think is going on????????" It is baiting someone to either: a.) suggest taking a test or b.) to suggest that you are KU

*Mine is a slight exaggeration, but you get the idea....

Katie829 · July 2011

I am not sure if this is too late.

If you use mucinex to help increase CM, is there a certain point you should stop?

I know you can do green tea up until O, but not sure about mucinex.

Thanks

reinstone · July 2011

Katie829:
I am not sure if this is too late.
If you use mucinex to help increase CM, is there a certain point you should stop?
I know you can do green tea up until O, but not sure about mucinex.
Thanks

{trying to keep my mouth shut about mucinex}

Katie829 · July 2011

reinstone:
Katie829:
I am not sure if this is too late.
If you use mucinex to help increase CM, is there a certain point you should stop?
I know you can do green tea up until O, but not sure about mucinex.
Thanks
{trying to keep my mouth shut about mucinex}

Am I missing something?

KdgTeacher · July 2011

Katie829:
reinstone:
Katie829:

I am not sure if this is too late.

If you use mucinex to help increase CM, is there a certain point you should stop?

I know you can do green tea up until O, but not sure about mucinex.

Thanks

{trying to keep my mouth shut about mucinex}

Am I missing something?

It is generally not suggested to take a medicine for something other than its intended use.

BlueEyedDreamer · July 2011

Katie829:
reinstone:
Katie829:
I am not sure if this is too late.
If you use mucinex to help increase CM, is there a certain point you should stop?
I know you can do green tea up until O, but not sure about mucinex.
Thanks
{trying to keep my mouth shut about mucinex}
Am I missing something?

A lot of ladies on the board (myself included) think it's unadvisable to take a medication for something other than its intended use. I wouldn't take mucinex to increase CM personally, but some ladies do right around their FW to increase fertile CM. I've heard mixed reviews - some say it works, some say it doesn't. I'd try increasing your daily water intake before taking any medication. I drink at least 10 8-ounce glasses a day, especially when I think I'm in my FW.

Katie829 · July 2011

KdgTeacher:
Katie829:
reinstone:
Katie829:

I am not sure if this is too late.

If you use mucinex to help increase CM, is there a certain point you should stop?

I know you can do green tea up until O, but not sure about mucinex.

Thanks

{trying to keep my mouth shut about mucinex}

Am I missing something?

It is generally not suggested to take a medicine for something other than its intended use.

Well I started taking it for being really congested, and I noticed very watery CM, so I was curious that now that I am feeling better should I quit it, or should I continue.

Thanks for the extra info. I will discontinue.

JubilantJill · July 2011

Ok, I have one. Please don't flame a newb for this one. I have had an HSG (for non-TTGP reasons) that had normal results. Yes, we have only been trying for a couple months, and I am not at all implying that I think my DH has an issue, but I am wondering at what point men can/should have a SA.

While I completely realize that it can take healthy people up to a year to conceive, do any doctors do this as a preventative measure? You know, kinda like checking your tires before you take a road trip? From what I have read, this is a less expensive and less invasive exam. Thoughts?

KdgTeacher · July 2011

JubilantJill:

Ok, I have one. Please don't flame a newb for this one. I have had an HSG (for non-TTGP reasons) that had normal results. Yes, we have only been trying for a couple months, and I am not at all implying that I think my DH has an issue, but I am wondering at what point men can/should have a SA.

While I completely realize that it can take healthy people up to a year to conceive, do any doctors do this as a preventative measure? You know, kinda like checking your tires before you take a road trip? From what I have read, this is a less expensive and less invasive exam. Thoughts?

I view the SA for a man (although cheaper and less invasive) like all the tests for a woman as being the spring board for further IF testing. Therefore, I would not get one done until you're pretty much at the 12 month mark.

reinstone · July 2011

KdgTeacher:
JubilantJill:

Ok, I have one. Please don't flame a newb for this one. I have had an HSG (for non-TTGP reasons) that had normal results. Yes, we have only been trying for a couple months, and I am not at all implying that I think my DH has an issue, but I am wondering at what point men can/should have a SA.

While I completely realize that it can take healthy people up to a year to conceive, do any doctors do this as a preventative measure? You know, kinda like checking your tires before you take a road trip? From what I have read, this is a less expensive and less invasive exam. Thoughts?

I view the SA for a man (although cheaper and less invasive) like all the tests for a woman as being the spring board for further IF testing. Therefore, I would not get one done until you're pretty much at the 12 month mark.

I agree with Kdg unless your doctor recommends it sooner in the case of your husband showing signs of needing one. (Low libido, ED, etc.)

buckeyebaby814 · July 2011

mrssqueegy:
cinciem:
:: butting in:: Easy, but if your insurance doesn't cover testing it could be pretty pricey. Mine was $495. :: butting out ::
I'm in Canada, so don't have to pay for testing. Thanks for the info though!

buckeyebaby814:
I hope I'm not stepping on any toes here since I did not start this thread, but I have this exact same issue and there's more *possible* blood work that 7dpo testing...
Your doc may also want to do CD 3 b/w to check your FSH levels. It truly depends on what type of LPD you have. Most** LPD are related to poor FSH levels/ weak O. This in turn can create low progesterone levels/ poor lining development/ premature demise of the corpus luteum after O. I will find out more next week, as I go for my 'what do we do next' appointment with my new doctor.
Here's a few things I found interesting to read about LPDs- sorry they're not clicky, I don't know how to do that on my Macbook. Good luck!
https://www.inciid.org/printpage.php?cat=infertility101&id=7
**ETA: I did say most LPDs are related to FSH levels/ weak O, but I did forget to add that there are some cases in which progesterone levels alone could be the culprit. It's difficult to tell unless you get a full work-up to figure out what is causing the low progesterone (poor FSH levels, or weak progesterone production from the corpus luteum after O.) Kind of like the chicken and the egg situation unless you investigate everything.
Thank you for the info. That article was very informative. I will feel better knowing a bit more about this before my appointment with my doctor next week. I also have very late O, usually 35-45 days. Would that also be a sign of weak O/FSH levels?

I don't know that much about all of it, just the medical articles I've read and advice I've gotten from girls who have had successful treatment for LPD (they were tested for more than just the 7dpo b/w.) Best of luck!! When do you go to the doctor? I go on Wednesday! Keep me updated Smile

MKBannon1 · July 2011

KdgTeacher:

ukcats27:
Why do people use blue dye tests when they have been told repeatedly not to do so? Please tell me you have an answer kdg!

Duuude, I think I'm pretty good, but I'm no where near THAT good!

Because you just can't fix stupid. Okay, that was mean.. but seriously?

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